Artificial Sweeteners?
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I didn't read the whole thread so I don't know if someone mentioned this:
There has been some interesting research that indicates that regular use of artificial sweeteners disrupts the microbiota and leads to glucose intolerance.
Stevia is a good alternative. There is even flavored liquid stevia: coconut, caramel, chocolate, lemon. They're good in coffee or water.0 -
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I used to use diet drinks many many years ago. Artificial Sweetners are not the greatest for you hence the 'artificial' in the name. I actually noticed changes in my vision after using them consistently. I would highly recommend that you stay away. Honey is a great sweetner. It's a way better alternative and because it's natural your body not only processes it better than sugar or artificial sweetners, it's also harder to convert to fat
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AntoinetteAngus wrote: »I used to use diet drinks many many years ago. Artificial Sweetners are not the greatest for you hence the 'artificial' in the name. I actually noticed changes in my vision after using them consistently. I would highly recommend that you stay away. Honey is a great sweetner. It's a way better alternative and because it's natural your body not only processes it better than sugar or artificial sweetners, it's also harder to convert to fat
Honey is sugar.10 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »I used to use diet drinks many many years ago. Artificial Sweetners are not the greatest for you hence the 'artificial' in the name. I actually noticed changes in my vision after using them consistently. I would highly recommend that you stay away. Honey is a great sweetner. It's a way better alternative and because it's natural your body not only processes it better than sugar or artificial sweetners, it's also harder to convert to fat
What are your thoughts on artificial limbs? Or organs?10 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »I used to use diet drinks many many years ago. Artificial Sweetners are not the greatest for you hence the 'artificial' in the name. I actually noticed changes in my vision after using them consistently. I would highly recommend that you stay away. Honey is a great sweetner. It's a way better alternative and because it's natural your body not only processes it better than sugar or artificial sweetners, it's also harder to convert to fat
You noticed changes in your vision after using artificial sweetness so no one should use them. OK. Do you have any scientifically valid studies to back up your contention that having "artiicial" in the name automatically renders a food "not the greatest"?6 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »I used to use diet drinks many many years ago. Artificial Sweetners are not the greatest for you hence the 'artificial' in the name. I actually noticed changes in my vision after using them consistently. I would highly recommend that you stay away. Honey is a great sweetner. It's a way better alternative and because it's natural your body not only processes it better than sugar or artificial sweetners, it's also harder to convert to fat
You noticed changes in your vision after using artificial sweetness so no one should use them. OK. Do you have any scientifically valid studies to back up your contention that having "artiicial" in the name automatically renders a food "not the greatest"?
Not everyone is interested in "scientifically valid studies to back up your contention." Opinions and personal anecdotes should be just as welcome here as scientific studies. IMO1 -
CynthiasChoice wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »I used to use diet drinks many many years ago. Artificial Sweetners are not the greatest for you hence the 'artificial' in the name. I actually noticed changes in my vision after using them consistently. I would highly recommend that you stay away. Honey is a great sweetner. It's a way better alternative and because it's natural your body not only processes it better than sugar or artificial sweetners, it's also harder to convert to fat
You noticed changes in your vision after using artificial sweetness so no one should use them. OK. Do you have any scientifically valid studies to back up your contention that having "artiicial" in the name automatically renders a food "not the greatest"?
Not everyone is interested in "scientifically valid studies to back up your contention." Opinions and personal anecdotes should be just as welcome here as scientific studies. IMO
It's not so much the sharing of anecdotes that's the issue. It's imposing your resulting beliefs onto others.10 -
CynthiasChoice wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »I used to use diet drinks many many years ago. Artificial Sweetners are not the greatest for you hence the 'artificial' in the name. I actually noticed changes in my vision after using them consistently. I would highly recommend that you stay away. Honey is a great sweetner. It's a way better alternative and because it's natural your body not only processes it better than sugar or artificial sweetners, it's also harder to convert to fat
You noticed changes in your vision after using artificial sweetness so no one should use them. OK. Do you have any scientifically valid studies to back up your contention that having "artiicial" in the name automatically renders a food "not the greatest"?
Not everyone is interested in "scientifically valid studies to back up your contention." Opinions and personal anecdotes should be just as welcome here as scientific studies. IMO
Opinions are fine unless they're presented as fact - at which point people will call them out. Saying "Artificial sweeteners are not the greatest for you hence the 'artificial' in the name" is stating something untrue (and ridiculous) as a fact. Opinions don't require proof - as the saying goes, "you're entitled to your own opinions but you're not entitled to your own facts". And the statement above is clearly an opinion (and a mistaken one), because it most certainly is not a fact.
And the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'.7 -
CynthiasChoice wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »I used to use diet drinks many many years ago. Artificial Sweetners are not the greatest for you hence the 'artificial' in the name. I actually noticed changes in my vision after using them consistently. I would highly recommend that you stay away. Honey is a great sweetner. It's a way better alternative and because it's natural your body not only processes it better than sugar or artificial sweetners, it's also harder to convert to fat
You noticed changes in your vision after using artificial sweetness so no one should use them. OK. Do you have any scientifically valid studies to back up your contention that having "artiicial" in the name automatically renders a food "not the greatest"?
Not everyone is interested in "scientifically valid studies to back up your contention." Opinions and personal anecdotes should be just as welcome here as scientific studies. IMO
How is that even remotely reliable or helpful?
I'm allergic to strawberries. It's my personal anecdote that they cause hives. I also don't care for tomatoes. Therefore it's my opinion that red fruits are bad. Thusly, no one should eat them.9 -
CynthiasChoice wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »I used to use diet drinks many many years ago. Artificial Sweetners are not the greatest for you hence the 'artificial' in the name. I actually noticed changes in my vision after using them consistently. I would highly recommend that you stay away. Honey is a great sweetner. It's a way better alternative and because it's natural your body not only processes it better than sugar or artificial sweetners, it's also harder to convert to fat
You noticed changes in your vision after using artificial sweetness so no one should use them. OK. Do you have any scientifically valid studies to back up your contention that having "artiicial" in the name automatically renders a food "not the greatest"?
Not everyone is interested in "scientifically valid studies to back up your contention." Opinions and personal anecdotes should be just as welcome here as scientific studies. IMO
Well, in that case I suppose I should advise everyone to avoid wheat, barley and rye, since they all contain gluten which makes me really sick, so they must be bad for everyone.4 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »Honey is a great sweetner. It's a way better alternative and because it's natural your body not only processes it better than sugar or artificial sweetners, it's also harder to convert to fat
LOL. Honey is composed mostly of the sugars glucose and fructose, and sugar makes up about 95% of honey's weight.
Source: http://www.chemistryislife.com/the-chemistry-of-honey3 -
I can see right through someone if they are being artificially sweet. psht2
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nicolepburgess91 wrote: »I like sugar in my coffee. I can barely stomach it plain. But it adds more calories than I'd like to see. I'm looking into artificial sweeteners and I'm finding very conflicting information about its benefits/harmful effects.
I'm not looking for scientific data - but, rather personal experience stories.
Have artificial sweeteners helped you, or hurt you?
The OP asked for personal experience stories. I actually made the mistake earlier in posting scientific data. Scientific experiments are often begun because of people's personal experiences, to either prove or disprove what individuals believe. So IMO it's a mistake to keep your personal experiences hidden away as if they are taboo.
PaulaWalla: You make a very good point. However, it's such a natural and human response to want to warn others against something you strongly believe to be true.
Nutrition/health science is ever-evolving and, IMO, it's short-sighted to think there are any ultimate truths to be settled upon. If we stop questioning and challenging then we'll get stuck in today's dark ages of food science. We all need to take a breath and stop taking "scientific facts" so seriously! Seriously!1 -
CynthiasChoice wrote: »nicolepburgess91 wrote: »I like sugar in my coffee. I can barely stomach it plain. But it adds more calories than I'd like to see. I'm looking into artificial sweeteners and I'm finding very conflicting information about its benefits/harmful effects.
I'm not looking for scientific data - but, rather personal experience stories.
Have artificial sweeteners helped you, or hurt you?
The OP asked for personal experience stories. I actually made the mistake earlier in posting scientific data. Scientific experiments are often begun because of people's personal experiences, to either prove or disprove what individuals believe. So IMO it's a mistake to keep your personal experiences hidden away as if they are taboo.
PaulaWalla: You make a very good point. However, it's such a natural and human response to want to warn others against something you strongly believe to be true.
Nutrition/health science is ever-evolving and, IMO, it's short-sighted to think there are any ultimate truths to be settled upon. If we stop questioning and challenging then we'll get stuck in today's dark ages of food science. We all need to take a breath and stop taking "scientific facts" so seriously! Seriously! [/ b]
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CynthiasChoice wrote: »nicolepburgess91 wrote: »I like sugar in my coffee. I can barely stomach it plain. But it adds more calories than I'd like to see. I'm looking into artificial sweeteners and I'm finding very conflicting information about its benefits/harmful effects.
I'm not looking for scientific data - but, rather personal experience stories.
Have artificial sweeteners helped you, or hurt you?
The OP asked for personal experience stories. I actually made the mistake earlier in posting scientific data. Scientific experiments are often begun because of people's personal experiences, to either prove or disprove what individuals believe. So IMO it's a mistake to keep your personal experiences hidden away as if they are taboo.
PaulaWalla: You make a very good point. However, it's such a natural and human response to want to warn others against something you strongly believe to be true.
Nutrition/health science is ever-evolving and, IMO, it's short-sighted to think there are any ultimate truths to be settled upon. If we stop questioning and challenging then we'll get stuck in today's dark ages of food science. We all need to take a breath and stop taking "scientific facts" so seriously! Seriously!
"Scientific facts" have saved my life. Why shouldn't I take that seriously?7 -
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What I mean to say is that we have to be careful not to get so puffed-up and proud of what we know that science tells us today. It will tell us something different 5 or 10 years from now. The infinitely small and the infinitely big are yet to be discovered. As they are discovered, they may change all we "know."1
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CynthiasChoice wrote: »...Nutrition/health science is ever-evolving and, IMO, it's short-sighted to think there are any ultimate truths to be settled upon. If we stop questioning and challenging then we'll get stuck in today's dark ages of food science. We all need to take a breath and stop taking "scientific facts" so seriously! Seriously!
I agree that questioning and challenging is a good thing. Which is why people get challenged/questioned when they present pseudoscientific woo as fact.
Changing our beliefs about nutrition/training is a good thing when there is a rational, sound reason to do so. But blindly accepting the rantings of every crackpot with books, programs and "supplements" to sell is hardly rational or sound. Learning how to properly vet sources is an important (and often overlooked) skill. There's a big difference between research and charlatans with agendas.9 -
I think it's best not to discuss further on this thread.
nicoleburgess91: I hope you find something helpful as you make your artificial sweetener decision. Best of luck.0 -
CynthiasChoice wrote: »What I mean to say is that we have to be careful not to get so puffed-up and proud of what we know that science tells us today. It will tell us something different 5 or 10 years from now. The infinitely small and the infinitely big are yet to be discovered. As they are discovered, they may change all we "know."
Yeah I'm looking forward to being told gravity doesn't exist in 5-10 years.7 -
I don't know about the science of it all and whether they are good for you or not, but I'm all about getting the specific comfort foods I'm used to. If it was created in a lab I just don't do it, but more than that, if it's not what I really want then I'm not happy. I make sure to leave room for the cream in my coffee, brown sugar in my oatmeal, and butter with my dinner everyday. I'm not going to switch out the happiness that is the cream in my coffee for skim milk... that would make me sad.1
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CynthiasChoice wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »I used to use diet drinks many many years ago. Artificial Sweetners are not the greatest for you hence the 'artificial' in the name. I actually noticed changes in my vision after using them consistently. I would highly recommend that you stay away. Honey is a great sweetner. It's a way better alternative and because it's natural your body not only processes it better than sugar or artificial sweetners, it's also harder to convert to fat
You noticed changes in your vision after using artificial sweetness so no one should use them. OK. Do you have any scientifically valid studies to back up your contention that having "artiicial" in the name automatically renders a food "not the greatest"?
Not everyone is interested in "scientifically valid studies to back up your contention." Opinions and personal anecdotes should be just as welcome here as scientific studies. IMO
Science is objective, anecdotes aren't.
Example: so called "gluten-free" Cheerios and Lucky Charms make me head for the smallest room in the house like they aren't gluten free.
Take-away from this? Don't eat Cheerios and Lucky Charms.
Say what? How is that helpful to anyone?3 -
CynthiasChoice wrote: »AntoinetteAngus wrote: »I used to use diet drinks many many years ago. Artificial Sweetners are not the greatest for you hence the 'artificial' in the name. I actually noticed changes in my vision after using them consistently. I would highly recommend that you stay away. Honey is a great sweetner. It's a way better alternative and because it's natural your body not only processes it better than sugar or artificial sweetners, it's also harder to convert to fat
You noticed changes in your vision after using artificial sweetness so no one should use them. OK. Do you have any scientifically valid studies to back up your contention that having "artiicial" in the name automatically renders a food "not the greatest"?
Not everyone is interested in "scientifically valid studies to back up your contention." Opinions and personal anecdotes should be just as welcome here as scientific studies. IMO
Well, in that case I suppose I should advise everyone to avoid wheat, barley and rye, since they all contain gluten which makes me really sick, so they must be bad for everyone.
Head's up fam (fellow celiac here)! I'm not so sure Cheerios are gluten free.
Everyone should avoid them.1 -
Don't eat cherries. I'm allergic to them, therefore everyone else is too, and they just don't realise it yet.4
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You might try cutting your sugar in half, or mixing your sugar and artificial sweetener.0
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I avoid artificial sweeteners because they taste horrible to me. Also, I generally don't use sugar in my coffee and I reduce the amount of sugar in the recipes I prepare that call for it without really noticing the overall effect in the recipe. That said, I do love strong dark coffee brewed in a Moka Pot, and was using a lot of half and half in it so that it didn’t hurt my stomach. But each ounce of half and half is 38 calories and I was using at least 4 ounces a day (maybe more). What I did to compensate was to a use a lesser amount but higher quality coffee beans that were darker and lower in acid. (Check out Leelanu Coffee Roasters in Michigan for lighter / sweeter roasts (like Yrgacheffe, from Ethiopia; or, coffee from Costa Rica or Guatemala) and maybe consider brewing your coffee differently (or use less beans) to get a milder flavor). Also, agave nectar is 21 calories, is lower on the glycemic index and tastes sweeter to me, so maybe try getting some of that and taper down from there.1
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I use Stevia, have for the past 15 years.1
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CynthiasChoice wrote: »What I mean to say is that we have to be careful not to get so puffed-up and proud of what we know that science tells us today. It will tell us something different 5 or 10 years from now. The infinitely small and the infinitely big are yet to be discovered. As they are discovered, they may change all we "know."
That is the very definition of the scientific process. Theories are tested based on hypotheses. If the tests don't support the theory, we go back and come up with new theories. That does not make the information we currently have available any less reliable. Throwing out the facts we have just because we may get a better understanding decades down the line is ridiculous.6 -
AntoinetteAngus wrote: »I used to use diet drinks many many years ago. Artificial Sweetners are not the greatest for you hence the 'artificial' in the name. I actually noticed changes in my vision after using them consistently. I would highly recommend that you stay away. Honey is a great sweetner. It's a way better alternative and because it's natural your body not only processes it better than sugar or artificial sweetners, it's also harder to convert to fat
What are your thoughts on artificial limbs? Or organs?
Terrible for you. Everyone should avoid them.2
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