Who watched "fat sick and nearly dead"?
Lizzypb88
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I just watched it on Netflix and it was very interesting!!! I'm just genuinely curious- what do you all think of fasting for a few days, does it really help to detoxify or are you doing more harm than good? And won't you just end up gaining that weight back once you go back to your "regular" diet routine?
Other than that it was really eye opening how big of an issue obesity is and how others see themselves, very interesting!
Other than that it was really eye opening how big of an issue obesity is and how others see themselves, very interesting!
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I watched the movie ages ago and I have to wonder what that guy is up to now... no way you could live on juice long term. I have no problem with fasting for a day or so here and there but I personally don't because I would be at risk of a fast-binge cycle which makes no sense for my goals.5
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Not eating isn't going to eliminate "toxins" from your body. Fasting for a few days isn't going to be harmful for the average person, but there's no evidence it is helpful either. And yes, if you lose weight due to a fast, you will gain it back quickly when you begin eating again.
IIRC, "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead 2" is about the same guy trying to lose the weight that he regained.25 -
I'm really not that into fiction. But I heard it was a great infomercial to sell juicers.38
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I watched the movie ages ago and I have to wonder what that guy is up to now... no way you could live on juice long term. I have no problem with fasting for a day or so here and there but I personally don't because I would be at risk of a fast-binge cycle which makes no sense for my goals.
I recently watched a documentary on Netflix called food choices and he was on it. he's still fit but eats a normal plant based diet these days
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janejellyroll wrote: »Not eating isn't going to eliminate "toxins" from your body. Fasting for a few days isn't going to be harmful for the average person, but there's no evidence it is helpful either. And yes, if you lose weight due to a fast, you will gain it back quickly when you begin eating again.
IIRC, "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead 2" is about the same guy trying to lose the weight that he regained.
You seriously can't even make this stuff up.
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crazyycatlady1 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Not eating isn't going to eliminate "toxins" from your body. Fasting for a few days isn't going to be harmful for the average person, but there's no evidence it is helpful either. And yes, if you lose weight due to a fast, you will gain it back quickly when you begin eating again.
IIRC, "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead 2" is about the same guy trying to lose the weight that he regained.
You seriously can't even make this stuff up.
The first time I heard it, I thought it was a joke. Grifters gonna grift.5 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Not eating isn't going to eliminate "toxins" from your body. Fasting for a few days isn't going to be harmful for the average person, but there's no evidence it is helpful either. And yes, if you lose weight due to a fast, you will gain it back quickly when you begin eating again.
IIRC, "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead 2" is about the same guy trying to lose the weight that he regained.
That's not quite right. The guy who did Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead was Joe Cross. In it he helped another man, Phil, to do a juice fast and get much healthier. In Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead 2 we find out that Phil regained the weight as he went back to old habits and was also an emotional eater. Joe has stayed very fit and healthy and still does juice fasts.14 -
I just watched it on Netflix and it was very interesting!!! I'm just genuinely curious- what do you all think of fasting for a few days, does it really help to detoxify or are you doing more harm than good? And won't you just end up gaining that weight back once you go back to your "regular" diet routine?
Other than that it was really eye opening how big of an issue obesity is and how others see themselves, very interesting!
So naturally, your liver and intestines detox your system constantly. This whole idea that you have to actively do fasting, juice cleanse or whatever, is just an industry marketing scheme; often used to sell you something or have you buy a product where the person talking about it has stock in the company. At best, people use fasting or juice to have a large deficit for a few days which can help lose weight. .19 -
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Avocado_Angel wrote: »I watched 1 & 2 after seeing this post yesterday and it does look like there is something in it. A lot of people who were on loads of meds for various health conditions were able to completely get off their meds, their conditions had vastly improved one guy beat diabetes as well I thought that was pretty amazing.
Unsure if I could actually juice for 60 days but I might give it a try some time
More often than not, if you lose weight (which is generally the cause of these issues), you can come off the meds. It's not the diet itself, it's the fact that you lost weight. Exercise also helps because it can improve insulin sensitivity and improve weight loss.17 -
Avocado_Angel wrote: »I watched 1 & 2 after seeing this post yesterday and it does look like there is something in it. A lot of people who were on loads of meds for various health conditions were able to completely get off their meds, their conditions had vastly improved one guy beat diabetes as well I thought that was pretty amazing.
Unsure if I could actually juice for 60 days but I might give it a try some time
You don't beat diabetes, you deal with it.13 -
Avocado_Angel wrote: »I watched 1 & 2 after seeing this post yesterday and it does look like there is something in it. A lot of people who were on loads of meds for various health conditions were able to completely get off their meds, their conditions had vastly improved one guy beat diabetes as well I thought that was pretty amazing.
Unsure if I could actually juice for 60 days but I might give it a try some time
That's the result of losing weight and eating better. Juicing is one method that some people find works for them to reduce calories and eat better. But there is nothing inherently healthier about juicing or "detoxing" via juicing.13 -
I'm bingeing on weight loss documentaries on Netflix right now, I have this one in the queue. Might be good for a bit of humour if nothing else!7
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RedfootDaddy wrote: »I'm bingeing on weight loss documentaries on Netflix right now, I have this one in the queue. Might be good for a bit of humour if nothing else!
If you want a good comedy watch "that sugar film". Biggest load of twaddle I've ever seen!8 -
RedfootDaddy wrote: »I'm bingeing on weight loss documentaries on Netflix right now, I have this one in the queue. Might be good for a bit of humour if nothing else!
at least they're calorie free!9 -
GirlPanda03 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Not eating isn't going to eliminate "toxins" from your body. Fasting for a few days isn't going to be harmful for the average person, but there's no evidence it is helpful either. And yes, if you lose weight due to a fast, you will gain it back quickly when you begin eating again.
IIRC, "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead 2" is about the same guy trying to lose the weight that he regained.
That's not quite right. The guy who did Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead was Joe Cross. In it he helped another man, Phil, to do a juice fast and get much healthier. In Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead 2 we find out that Phil regained the weight as he went back to old habits and was also an emotional eater. Joe has stayed very fit and healthy and still does juice fasts.
Thank you for the clarification. At the end of the day, losing weight through juicing doesn't seem as if it is that sustainable.5 -
I see nothing wrong with the occasional break from eating. As long as it does not lead to a disordered eating pattern...I just watched it on Netflix and it was very interesting!!! I'm just genuinely curious- what do you all think of fasting for a few days,
Don't know. We do have a liver that does that job nicely as long as we take care of it...does it really help to detoxify
The occasional break from eating is harmless...or are you doing more harm than good?
Yes you will if you eat too much. Eating responsibly is necessary regardless of how or what you choose to eat...And won't you just end up gaining that weight back once you go back to your "regular" diet routine?
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Avocado_Angel wrote: »I watched 1 & 2 after seeing this post yesterday and it does look like there is something in it. A lot of people who were on loads of meds for various health conditions were able to completely get off their meds, their conditions had vastly improved one guy beat diabetes as well I thought that was pretty amazing.
Unsure if I could actually juice for 60 days but I might give it a try some time
But many people experience health improvements and reduction of meds, just because they lose the extra pounds. I reversed the progression of pre-diabetes, and now have normal range glucose levels, because I lost 50lbs. I lost the weight while still eating a pretty typical SAD though, just in the correct calorie deficit for my weight loss goals.5 -
I've had the mean green juice and it is the most horrible thing I've ever ingested in my life. And I don't know how juice could possibly satisfy hunger. Though I do shakes for two meals and that does help my hunger, but those shakes are high in protein. Juice has neither protein nor fiber (as the fiber is eliminated when juicing) and protein and fiber are what make me feel less hungry.2
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One thing to remember about the majority of documentaries... they are made to support a single belief or argument. Very few are going to show both sides of the story or will include evidence or information against what they want to show. So you are only seeing the "evidence" that they want you to see and nothing else. So don't take what they are saying as the ultimate "truth".11
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He lost weight because he ate less calories, not because of juice.6
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I liked the first one, a juice fast can get results on health problems, which can be a huge benefit. I also agree with the criticisms that the approach doesn't change your non-fasting diet.
Watching #2 now, glad to see the focus is on healthy regular eating and not juice fasting.
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Going without food for an extended period can make people feel lightheaded and "floaty", which they mistake for "the toxins going out of my body" or whatever.5
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janejellyroll wrote: »GirlPanda03 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Not eating isn't going to eliminate "toxins" from your body. Fasting for a few days isn't going to be harmful for the average person, but there's no evidence it is helpful either. And yes, if you lose weight due to a fast, you will gain it back quickly when you begin eating again.
IIRC, "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead 2" is about the same guy trying to lose the weight that he regained.
That's not quite right. The guy who did Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead was Joe Cross. In it he helped another man, Phil, to do a juice fast and get much healthier. In Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead 2 we find out that Phil regained the weight as he went back to old habits and was also an emotional eater. Joe has stayed very fit and healthy and still does juice fasts.
Thank you for the clarification. At the end of the day, losing weight through juicing doesn't seem as if it is that sustainable.
The juicing is to reboot your system, get all the crap out that's been building up for years, and give your body the nutrition it needs to regain health/balance. Once you've done that, you can introduce healthy foods. Although he did the detox for about 60 days, other people did it for a week or 10 days and found it made a huge difference. There are some people who juice but also eat raw vegetables and fruit - so not a complete fast but only eating raw healthy foods along with lots of green juice - which can be recommended if you have chronic health problems or want a less extreme approach. If I remember rightly, in the second film Joe says he eats some processed foods now, and he's able to do that without negative consequences because he cleared his whole system out. Juice rebooting is something I'm still considering as I'd like to detox, although it's apparently not recommended for people with M.E. and Fibromyalgia. I have a friend with M.E. who tried it and was in chronic pain by day 4. I guess it's up to eat individual, and if I was doing it I'd likely eat food as well.8 -
gamerbabe14 wrote: »He lost weight because he ate less calories, not because of juice.
True but he said the juice fast rebooted his system and cleared out years of toxins that made him feel awful. His main focus in doing a juice fast wasn't to lose weight - it was to deal with his health problems, namely chronic Urticaria. The weight loss was kind of a side effect. He went from feeling very unhealthy and having pain from the Urticaria to feeling energetic, healthy and no longer requiring medication.10 -
GirlPanda03 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GirlPanda03 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Not eating isn't going to eliminate "toxins" from your body. Fasting for a few days isn't going to be harmful for the average person, but there's no evidence it is helpful either. And yes, if you lose weight due to a fast, you will gain it back quickly when you begin eating again.
IIRC, "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead 2" is about the same guy trying to lose the weight that he regained.
That's not quite right. The guy who did Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead was Joe Cross. In it he helped another man, Phil, to do a juice fast and get much healthier. In Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead 2 we find out that Phil regained the weight as he went back to old habits and was also an emotional eater. Joe has stayed very fit and healthy and still does juice fasts.
Thank you for the clarification. At the end of the day, losing weight through juicing doesn't seem as if it is that sustainable.
The juicing is to reboot your system, get all the crap out that's been building up for years, and give your body the nutrition it needs to regain health/balance. Once you've done that, you can introduce healthy foods. Although he did the detox for about 60 days, other people did it for a week or 10 days and found it made a huge difference. There are some people who juice but also eat raw vegetables and fruit - so not a complete fast but only eating raw healthy foods along with lots of green juice - which can be recommended if you have chronic health problems or want a less extreme approach. If I remember rightly, in the second film Joe says he eats some processed foods now, and he's able to do that without negative consequences because he cleared his whole system out. Juice rebooting is something I'm still considering as I'd like to detox, although it's apparently not recommended for people with M.E. and Fibromyalgia. I have a friend with M.E. who tried it and was in chronic pain by day 4. I guess it's up to eat individual, and if I was doing it I'd likely eat food as well.
What about your system needs rebooting, what sort of crap is supposedly built up, where in that juice are the essential fats and proteins your boy needs?13 -
Fasting isn't new and can be effective if done correctly. There is no such thing as "detoxing". It's a made up analogy by "holistic" people and sites who attribute pseudoscience as their proof. And because liquid diets are nothing more than a pretty extreme form of calorie restriction, weight regain is usually pretty high in percentage.I just watched it on Netflix and it was very interesting!!! I'm just genuinely curious- what do you all think of fasting for a few days, does it really help to detoxify or are you doing more harm than good? And won't you just end up gaining that weight back once you go back to your "regular" diet routine?
Other than that it was really eye opening how big of an issue obesity is and how others see themselves, very interesting!
People get overweight/obese for one main reason..............they eat more than they burn off.
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You're not "clearing" crap out of your body nor "detoxing" it. You're just supplying higher nutrient food. And the weight loss came for eating less calories than he burned.GirlPanda03 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GirlPanda03 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Not eating isn't going to eliminate "toxins" from your body. Fasting for a few days isn't going to be harmful for the average person, but there's no evidence it is helpful either. And yes, if you lose weight due to a fast, you will gain it back quickly when you begin eating again.
IIRC, "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead 2" is about the same guy trying to lose the weight that he regained.
That's not quite right. The guy who did Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead was Joe Cross. In it he helped another man, Phil, to do a juice fast and get much healthier. In Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead 2 we find out that Phil regained the weight as he went back to old habits and was also an emotional eater. Joe has stayed very fit and healthy and still does juice fasts.
Thank you for the clarification. At the end of the day, losing weight through juicing doesn't seem as if it is that sustainable.
The juicing is to reboot your system, get all the crap out that's been building up for years, and give your body the nutrition it needs to regain health/balance. Once you've done that, you can introduce healthy foods. Although he did the detox for about 60 days, other people did it for a week or 10 days and found it made a huge difference. There are some people who juice but also eat raw vegetables and fruit - so not a complete fast but only eating raw healthy foods along with lots of green juice - which can be recommended if you have chronic health problems or want a less extreme approach. If I remember rightly, in the second film Joe says he eats some processed foods now, and he's able to do that without negative consequences because he cleared his whole system out. Juice rebooting is something I'm still considering as I'd like to detox, although it's apparently not recommended for people with M.E. and Fibromyalgia. I have a friend with M.E. who tried it and was in chronic pain by day 4. I guess it's up to eat individual, and if I was doing it I'd likely eat food as well.
All this is is pseudoscience and sales propaganda to sell juicers and books.
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