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About the feeling bad thing... I'd still be over 200 lbs if I didn't feel bad when I overeat. It's not necessarily unhealthy...
This is a very good point that people miss. To some extent you do need an emotional attachment to food and your body to help maintain control over your intake.3 -
trigden1991 wrote: »This is a very good point that people miss. To some extent you do need an emotional attachment to food and your body to help maintain control over your intake.
I find that emotion is the best way to control my appetite, since for me appetite is a psychological far more than a physical drive.
The way I avoid bingeing these days is, counterintuitively, by loving food. I love it. I really appreciate it. And appreciating it means eating it slowly and savouring every mouthful; and it's actually quite difficult to binge when it's just taken half an hour to eat a single pastry
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endlessfall16 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »
Has it happened to you or anyone you know?
You know it's not different from the concept of learning from one's mistakes. Learning history. If you can't feel or realize past mistake's impact, you'll repeat it.
Not the person quoted but I have, and those people are called anorexics. Feeling bad about food is usually not a helpful thing.
Let me try to understand you correctly. You know first hand of people who have gone from overweight to being anorexics?
That's a very long distance to go, or even if possible. You may aim for the moon but likely all you can reach is the hill and you know you are on the hill if it happens.
However, the continuous, repetitive, destructive overeating in overweight folks is very real and all too common. Worrying about becoming anorexics is too much of putting the cart before the horse.
Anorexia doesn't just affect slim people. In fact, with all the pressure on overweight people to lose it, I wouldn't be surprised if it affects more overweight/obese people than already slim - it's just ignorance like this that leads to it going undiagnosed.
You can be 400lbs and anorexic, all it means is that you dramatically reduce your food intake to the point of eating barely anything in an attempt to lose weight.
That would be some other disorder.
Anorexia (an-o-REK-see-uh) nervosa — often simply called anorexia — is an eating disorder characterized by an abnormally low body weight, intense fear of gaining weight and a distorted perception of body weight. People with anorexia place a high value on controlling their weight and shape, using extreme efforts that tend to significantly interfere with activities in their lives.
To prevent weight gain or to continue losing weight, people with anorexia usually severely restrict the amount of food they eat. They may control calorie intake by vomiting after eating or by misusing laxatives, diet aids, diuretics or enemas. They may also try to lose weight by exercising excessively.0 -
trigden1991 wrote: »This is a very good point that people miss. To some extent you do need an emotional attachment to food and your body to help maintain control over your intake.
I find that emotion is the best way to control my appetite, since for me appetite is a psychological far more than a physical drive.
The way I avoid bingeing these days is, counterintuitively, by loving food. I love it. I really appreciate it. And appreciating it means eating it slowly and savouring every mouthful; and it's actually quite difficult to binge when it's just taken half an hour to eat a single pastry
@ceiswyn Same here! The time I hated food the most was when I was binge eating. Appreciating food and loving the nutrition it has to give (along with lots of therapy, ha) has helped significantly reduce the craving to binge eat for me.2 -
I went on a work trip last week and went thousands over. I counted my calories the first day - after Starbucks on the road, airport lunch, a Mexican networking dinner that included an open margarita bar, and late night hotel munchies (from the 3 margaritas).... I just gave up on logging while I was out of town. LOL.
Anyway, yes I gained some weight after a week of this - 3 pounds. Not too bad. I certainly don't feel guilty or bad about what I ate. I can loose that in two weeks with some extra trips to the gym. I just look at the big picture -- One week of bad eating is not going to derail the months of good eating and exercise I have been doing. I consider it my unplanned diet vacation. 0 -
RelCanonical wrote: »@ceiswyn Same here! The time I hated food the most was when I was binge eating. Appreciating food and loving the nutrition it has to give (along with lots of therapy, ha) has helped significantly reduce the craving to binge eat for me.
I think it also helps that I have stopped making myself eat things I don't actually like because "it's healthy" or "it's low calorie". I suspect that learning to eat food even if you're not enjoying it is a bit counterproductive. These days, if I find myself craving pizza, I find a slice of pizza that fits into my calorie goals; as opposed to my past strategy of eating something 'healthy', barely tasting it, and carrying right on craving pizza!4 -
RelCanonical wrote: »@ceiswyn Same here! The time I hated food the most was when I was binge eating. Appreciating food and loving the nutrition it has to give (along with lots of therapy, ha) has helped significantly reduce the craving to binge eat for me.
I think it also helps that I have stopped making myself eat things I don't actually like because "it's healthy" or "it's low calorie". I suspect that learning to eat food even if you're not enjoying it is a bit counterproductive. These days, if I find myself craving pizza, I find a slice of pizza that fits into my calorie goals; as opposed to my past strategy of eating something 'healthy', barely tasting it, and carrying right on craving pizza!
We are like, food twins! I do the same thing. I appreciate a diverse enough set of food to get all of my nutritional needs without forcing myself to eat something that I dislike (like mushrooms, eugh).2 -
You still ate the calories, even if you didn't gain weight. You might just gain in 2 weeks instead, or not lose that week. What you eat doesn't have a direct repercussion on the scale... but the calories don't disappear.
About the feeling bad thing... I'd still be over 200 lbs if I didn't feel bad when I overeat. It's not necessarily unhealthy...
I don't understand the first part. I could gain weight in 2 week from last night?
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annaclaireblack wrote: »You still ate the calories, even if you didn't gain weight. You might just gain in 2 weeks instead, or not lose that week. What you eat doesn't have a direct repercussion on the scale... but the calories don't disappear.
About the feeling bad thing... I'd still be over 200 lbs if I didn't feel bad when I overeat. It's not necessarily unhealthy...
I don't understand the first part. I could gain weight in 2 week from last night?
Weight loss isn't linear. With water retention and whatnot, it can take a while for fat changes to register. Besides, OP might have lost half a pound that day, for all I know... except it didn't happen because he overate.0 -
fitmom4lifemfp wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »endlessfall16 wrote: »
Has it happened to you or anyone you know?
You know it's not different from the concept of learning from one's mistakes. Learning history. If you can't feel or realize past mistake's impact, you'll repeat it.
Not the person quoted but I have, and those people are called anorexics. Feeling bad about food is usually not a helpful thing.
Let me try to understand you correctly. You know first hand of people who have gone from overweight to being anorexics?
That's a very long distance to go, or even if possible. You may aim for the moon but likely all you can reach is the hill and you know you are on the hill if it happens.
However, the continuous, repetitive, destructive overeating in overweight folks is very real and all too common. Worrying about becoming anorexics is too much of putting the cart before the horse.
Anorexia doesn't just affect slim people. In fact, with all the pressure on overweight people to lose it, I wouldn't be surprised if it affects more overweight/obese people than already slim - it's just ignorance like this that leads to it going undiagnosed.
You can be 400lbs and anorexic, all it means is that you dramatically reduce your food intake to the point of eating barely anything in an attempt to lose weight.
That would be some other disorder.
Anorexia (an-o-REK-see-uh) nervosa — often simply called anorexia — is an eating disorder characterized by an abnormally low body weight, intense fear of gaining weight and a distorted perception of body weight. People with anorexia place a high value on controlling their weight and shape, using extreme efforts that tend to significantly interfere with activities in their lives.
To prevent weight gain or to continue losing weight, people with anorexia usually severely restrict the amount of food they eat. They may control calorie intake by vomiting after eating or by misusing laxatives, diet aids, diuretics or enemas. They may also try to lose weight by exercising excessively.
I suspect as much.
A quick research on anorexia shows a long list of complex symptoms, diagnosed by qualified professionals. But leave it to Interweb people to pain it with a broadest stroke as "all it means is that you dramatically reduce your food intake ..." ...uhh...ridiculous.
I'm not surprised that such tendency in viewpoint produces unwarranted fear and nonsensical connection... Fearmongering much?
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About the feeling bad thing... I'd still be over 200 lbs if I didn't feel bad when I overeat. It's not necessarily unhealthy...
Same for me. For example I could allow myself to enjoy as much bacon as available but these days I make myself feel averse to it by recalling how salty it tastes or imagining all the heart clogging effect. I rarely eat bacon anymore even when it's readily available in brunch. Not sure if I'm missing out or suffering anything but I'm sure enjoying better blood pressure marks.
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Weight loss isn't linear. With water retention and whatnot, it can take a while for fat changes to register. Besides, OP might have lost half a pound that day, for all I know... except it didn't happen because he overate.[/quote]
So if you weighed in at 130 lbs prior to eating 5000 calories over maintenance, then the next morning weighed 135 lbs (assuming most of that would be water weight), but then evened out over the next week at 132 lbs, you're saying that even a week later the weight could continue to increase even if the calories were at maintenance because of the one day 2 weeks ago?
I'm sorry I'm trying to understand!!0 -
endlessfall16 wrote: »About the feeling bad thing... I'd still be over 200 lbs if I didn't feel bad when I overeat. It's not necessarily unhealthy...
Same for me. For example I could allow myself to enjoy as much bacon as available but these days I make myself feel averse to it by recalling how salty it tastes or imagining all the heart clogging effect. I rarely eat bacon anymore even when it's readily available in brunch. Not sure if I'm missing out or suffering anything but I'm sure enjoying better blood pressure marks.
I'm glad that works for you, and I understand the intention behind your advice. But, you asked if it was possible for people to go from one disorder to another and people gave you examples of how it was possible, and even common. Cultivating an aversion to food may work for you, but in some people it can be very harmful.
You seem like you have a pretty good handle on things yourself. There were some red flags in the OPs post, which is why there was a concern. I wouldn't call that fear-mongering, just a genuine desire to help.1 -
annaclaireblack wrote: »
Weight loss isn't linear. With water retention and whatnot, it can take a while for fat changes to register. Besides, OP might have lost half a pound that day, for all I know... except it didn't happen because he overate.
So if you weighed in at 130 lbs prior to eating 5000 calories over maintenance, then the next morning weighed 135 lbs (assuming most of that would be water weight), but then evened out over the next week at 132 lbs, you're saying that even a week later the weight could continue to increase even if the calories were at maintenance because of the one day 2 weeks ago?
I'm sorry I'm trying to understand!!
No. You're fine. Carry on.0 -
Thank you everybody who responded! It's greatly appreciated, I am going to work on this because I'm tired of living this way. Thank you everybody!3
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annaclaireblack wrote: »
Weight loss isn't linear. With water retention and whatnot, it can take a while for fat changes to register. Besides, OP might have lost half a pound that day, for all I know... except it didn't happen because he overate.[/quote]
So if you weighed in at 130 lbs prior to eating 5000 calories over maintenance, then the next morning weighed 135 lbs (assuming most of that would be water weight), but then evened out over the next week at 132 lbs, you're saying that even a week later the weight could continue to increase even if the calories were at maintenance because of the one day 2 weeks ago?
I'm sorry I'm trying to understand!![/quote]
If you ate 5k calories, you will gain weight from the fat storage but it might not show up on the scale because you had a big poo and you also peed off some water weight. Likewise I can gain several pounds just from eating a small bag of sunflower seeds (it's water weight). If I ate the seeds without drinking, I wouldn't have gained the scale weight.
Water weight is not directly tied to your calorie consumption, but does correlate over time.1
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