Concealed Carry Ladies Pants ??
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Police are taught to stand at least 15' away from a suspect who may have a weapon in order to draw their gun if that suspect charges.
If you're out running, just wondering how people would have the reflexes UNTRAINED to pull their gun out fast enough on someone sneaking up on you?
I'm not against guns and fully support the 2nd amendment, but I think many people may be thinking that just carrying a gun is going to keep them much safer when that may not entirely be the case.
Wouldn't the better options to be safer: running with someone, running in a safer area even if you have to drive there, run with a dog, etc.
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Someone can lunge 15 ft before your cops can draw their gun, there is no realistic rule on a safe distance.
It's not a game of tag, you can still draw your gun and defend yourself even after you have been assaulted. Didn't you read the Trayvon story in Florida where the young man was doing a 'ground and pound' on the middle aged concealed carry guy?
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I use a belly band. I carry because I live in a rural area, andI was almost attacked by a pack of dogs. One shot and they high tailed it away. The belly band was secure and my gun was easily accessible and didn't jiggle when I ran.7
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Bekahrogers wrote: »I actually carry a derringer while I'm jogging - it sits in a bra holster.
That is awesome! I don't think I've seen a derringer outside a saloon in a Western. You are a classy and well-prepared lady.
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I have a ruger lcp which is a very small .380 that I wear while running. I use a cheap Galco inside the waistband single clip leather holster that I've treated with some boot waterproofer. In my state a carry permit is required to conceal it so thats one extra thing that you need to remember to carry with you but if I chose to carry openly I don't need to remember my permit along with everything else. One thing to be sure of is that if you chose to carry while being more active it requires a lot more firearm cleaning and care. salty sweat is the enemy of steel.
I know that my wife has carried the same firearm in the same holster inside the waistband of yoga pants and leggings.1 -
THIS. Personally I think a knife would be easier to use and is usually enough of a deterrent against an assailant.StarvingDiva wrote: »Listen, I would never belittle the efforts of any woman who wanted to take measures to protect herself.
I just think that, unless you are fairly experienced with being in a threatening situation, you want the thing that is easiest to use.
Pretty hard to aim a pistol when you are shaking, let alone unsnap it from your holster that is in the back of your sports bra.
**I don't know too many people who feel comfortable carrying concealed without training.
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If you're out running, just wondering how people would have the reflexes UNTRAINED to pull their gun out fast enough on someone sneaking up on you?
Wouldn't the better options to be safer: running with someone, running in a safer area even if you have to drive there, run with a dog, etc.
Very good points - especially the second one.
Regarding Niners first point (above) -
Which is why I pay instructors for training and I practice regularly (which, in both cases, is fun to do). CC training uses 21 feet for the qualification shoot. At 21 feet, you are still theoretically able to get away. Flight before fight.
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lsutton484 wrote: »I have a ruger lcp which is a very small .380 that I wear while running. I use a cheap Galco inside the waistband single clip leather holster that I've treated with some boot waterproofer. In my state a carry permit is required to conceal it so thats one extra thing that you need to remember to carry with you but if I chose to carry openly I don't need to remember my permit along with everything else. One thing to be sure of is that if you chose to carry while being more active it requires a lot more firearm cleaning and care. salty sweat is the enemy of steel.
I know that my wife has carried the same firearm in the same holster inside the waistband of yoga pants and leggings.
The cleaning thing is very true - if your gun gets all sweaty, give it quick tear down and oiling to prevent damage to the metal.
Another thing to keep in mind is holster wear. Once the leather starts getting too soft, the holster isn't working as well so it's important to pay attention to that and replace the holster when it is too worn to be safe.2 -
Tweaking_Time wrote: »If you're out running, just wondering how people would have the reflexes UNTRAINED to pull their gun out fast enough on someone sneaking up on you?
Wouldn't the better options to be safer: running with someone, running in a safer area even if you have to drive there, run with a dog, etc.
Very good points - especially the second one.
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Which is why I pay instructors for training and I practice regularly (which, in both cases, is fun to do). CC training uses 21 feet for the qualification shoot. At 21 feet, you are still theoretically able to get away. Flight before fight.
Even 21 feet is not so much a hard and fast rule (and definitely not codified into law) as largely Tueller's own observations and assumptions.
Legally it's down to a "reasonable man" standard. And that can vary, widely, depending upon what jurisdiction you're in and what view a DA will take.0 -
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southrnchic479 wrote: »Just wondering if anyone has found any cute Capri length workout pants or tops or if anyone has any general suggestions on ways to conceal carry while going for a walk or jog. Luckily mine is pretty tiny so it lends itself to being easily concealed but obviously I'd like it easily accessible too! Sorry if this is the wrong board to be posting in - let me know if so and I will move it to the appropriate board! Thanks!
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southrnchic479 wrote: »Just wondering if anyone has found any cute Capri length workout pants or tops or if anyone has any general suggestions on ways to conceal carry while going for a walk or jog. Luckily mine is pretty tiny so it lends itself to being easily concealed but obviously I'd like it easily accessible too! Sorry if this is the wrong board to be posting in - let me know if so and I will move it to the appropriate board! Thanks!
What is your carry piece, that will also help us with ideas. My wife has a Flash Bang but I don't think she has used it yet. For accessibility in a pack with a zipper you could loop a large strap through the zipper so you can get your hands on it easily. The compression shorts and leggings with elastic "holsters" might be the best way to go.0 -
I have a pair from 5.11 tactical that I wear to the shooting range that are pretty nice and comfortable.1
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heiliskrimsli wrote: »Michael190lbs wrote: »
I doubt sexual assault survivors appreciate your humor.
No humor was meant in my post just trying to keep her out of jail for killing someone illegally and sexual assault is a CLOSE encounter NOT the distance comment she made I replied too.. For the record I own 27 pistols, rifles, bows and a Gamo Pellet gun..
In many places it is legal to use lethal force in defense of yourself if you have reasonable fear of death, serious bodily injury, rape or kidnapping in any place you can legally be.
OP is likely well aware of the law where she lives.
Again in defense of the armed - a dead person cant testify ( I like) but a anti gun judge, police officer, DA will put you in prison because you can't prove your fear of death serious bodily injury rape or kidnaping.. YOUR FEELINGS are just that YOURS AGAINST the legal system.
Should I be able to shoot the aggresive driver swirving at me?? They do have a 4000 lb deadly weapon that can easily kill me.. Control is an illusion run where its safer or face a system that will mind boggle you and truly change your life.. My 2 cents1 -
I have found that the cargo pants sold in the women's department at cabelas work great. They aren't Capri length or tight but they can roll and button to Capri length. I open carry (WA) all the time wearing these and they're quite comfy.0
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Michael190lbs wrote: »heiliskrimsli wrote: »Michael190lbs wrote: »
I doubt sexual assault survivors appreciate your humor.
No humor was meant in my post just trying to keep her out of jail for killing someone illegally and sexual assault is a CLOSE encounter NOT the distance comment she made I replied too.. For the record I own 27 pistols, rifles, bows and a Gamo Pellet gun..
In many places it is legal to use lethal force in defense of yourself if you have reasonable fear of death, serious bodily injury, rape or kidnapping in any place you can legally be.
OP is likely well aware of the law where she lives.
Again in defense of the armed - a dead person cant testify ( I like) but a anti gun judge, police officer, DA will put you in prison because you can't prove your fear of death serious bodily injury rape or kidnaping.. YOUR FEELINGS are just that YOURS AGAINST the legal system.
Should I be able to shoot the aggresive driver swirving at me?? They do have a 4000 lb deadly weapon that can easily kill me.. Control is an illusion run where its safer or face a system that will mind boggle you and truly change your life.. My 2 cents
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.12 -
Michael190lbs wrote: »heiliskrimsli wrote: »Michael190lbs wrote: »
I doubt sexual assault survivors appreciate your humor.
No humor was meant in my post just trying to keep her out of jail for killing someone illegally and sexual assault is a CLOSE encounter NOT the distance comment she made I replied too.. For the record I own 27 pistols, rifles, bows and a Gamo Pellet gun..
In many places it is legal to use lethal force in defense of yourself if you have reasonable fear of death, serious bodily injury, rape or kidnapping in any place you can legally be.
OP is likely well aware of the law where she lives.
Again in defense of the armed - a dead person cant testify ( I like) but a anti gun judge, police officer, DA will put you in prison because you can't prove your fear of death serious bodily injury rape or kidnaping.. YOUR FEELINGS are just that YOURS AGAINST the legal system.
Should I be able to shoot the aggresive driver swirving at me?? They do have a 4000 lb deadly weapon that can easily kill me.. Control is an illusion run where its safer or face a system that will mind boggle you and truly change your life.. My 2 cents
Dealing with the legal system is my lawyer's job. Yes, I have one. Yes, he specializes in firearms law and defensive firearms use cases. My job is to stay alive so that he can do his.
My state has "Stand Your Ground". If I am somewhere that I can otherwise legally be, I have no duty to retreat and am justified in using lethal force, up to and including killing someone, if there is reasonable fear of death, serious bodily injury, kidnapping or rape of myself or another person. The social climate where I live is that I am more likely to be commended than charged.
Those of us, like OP, who choose to carry firearms in self defense typically do not make this decision lightly or without being informed. It's a big responsibility. If OP is looking for solutions to carry while running, I imagine she carries regularly while about normal activities, and is already on board with the responsibility.10 -
Police are taught to stand at least 15' away from a suspect who may have a weapon in order to draw their gun if that suspect charges.
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I work in law enforcement, and I've never heard that ever. Out of curiousity where did you get that information?
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]THIS. Personally I think a knife would be easier to use and is usually enough of a deterrent against an assailant.
I'll leave my comments about CCW training out but... to the knife comment.
no no no no no, no, nein, nyet, nah and hell to the nawww.
Also, don't do this.
Ever.
Stop thinking about it.
To the OP: I posted something like this a while back. They suggested a 'belly band.' Crossbreed has them. I haven't picked one up yet.3 -
Lol, why because you disagree?bigmuneymfp wrote: »
THIS. Personally I think a knife would be easier to use and is usually enough of a deterrent against an assailant.StarvingDiva wrote: »Listen, I would never belittle the efforts of any woman who wanted to take measures to protect herself.
I just think that, unless you are fairly experienced with being in a threatening situation, you want the thing that is easiest to use.
Pretty hard to aim a pistol when you are shaking, let alone unsnap it from your holster that is in the back of your sports bra.
**I don't know too many people who feel comfortable carrying concealed without training.
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So an assailant holding a knife is enough to deter people to listen, but not enough for an assailant to think twice?
Predators don't want a fight. ANY resistance or awareness that they are there, is many times enough to dissuade an attack.
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My bad if it's not 15'. It may be 21'. Something I remember when reading police training instruction against armed assailants with a holstered unit.Police are taught to stand at least 15' away from a suspect who may have a weapon in order to draw their gun if that suspect charges.
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I work in law enforcement, and I've never heard that ever. Out of curiousity where did you get that information?
http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/articles/2014/09/revisiting-the-21-foot-rule.aspx
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Lol, why because you disagree?bigmuneymfp wrote: »
THIS. Personally I think a knife would be easier to use and is usually enough of a deterrent against an assailant.StarvingDiva wrote: »Listen, I would never belittle the efforts of any woman who wanted to take measures to protect herself.
I just think that, unless you are fairly experienced with being in a threatening situation, you want the thing that is easiest to use.
Pretty hard to aim a pistol when you are shaking, let alone unsnap it from your holster that is in the back of your sports bra.
**I don't know too many people who feel comfortable carrying concealed without training.
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So an assailant holding a knife is enough to deter people to listen, but not enough for an assailant to think twice?
Predators don't want a fight. ANY resistance or awareness that they are there, is many times enough to dissuade an attack.
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So some cubicle worker is somehow going to take a knife out of his or her pocket, unfold it, hold it in a meaninful way and tell a bad guy to "back off!" ?
Okay, you might scare off the tweaker that's 20 feet away.
You might feel confident, or invincible because you have that little piece of steel, when you should be running the (kitten) away.
Or, you'll just get cut with your own knife that you clumsily fumbled and dropped while deploying - or stabbed yourself, because the other guy was already ready to do harm. The bad guy is used to getting hit/kicked/punched/stabbed. He's probably lead a life with some violence in it.
Or get dead, because you've now escalated the situation by brandishing but not being willing to use the knife.
Any method you use, you have to drill frequently. Experts I've done training with, retired law enforcement officers, train daily. If you can't deploy and use your method within seconds, well.
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In a "fighting league" okay. But we're talking predators with likely no experience in actually fighting out in general public looking for a VICTIM. Lol, if a 125lbs woman pulled a knife out on me (and I'm over 200lbs), I'm NOT gonna see if I can take her without getting injured. I doubt any regular guy would.competecompetecompete wrote: »Those of you who are opposed to carrying a gun. Have you considered the endless variables you are in every single day?
How about grocery shopping? At the mall? Walking out to your car after being out to eat...or just being out to eat?
Anything can happen anytime. I hope nobody says having a gun is the perfect answer for every situation, because it's not. But minimizing risk is the best approach. It just is.
And whomever said a knife...please stop. If there was a fighting league and the face off was of a 125 pound woman with a knife and a 220 dude with nothing. Who is your money on?
I keep thinking of the story where a woman who had her concealed permit was going to eat with her mom and brother(?)...family members whatever. Anyway. Someone lunatic came in blasting up the place. What do you think she did?
@ninerbuff sorry you were the one who mentioned the knife
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Lol, why because you disagree?bigmuneymfp wrote: »
THIS. Personally I think a knife would be easier to use and is usually enough of a deterrent against an assailant.StarvingDiva wrote: »Listen, I would never belittle the efforts of any woman who wanted to take measures to protect herself.
I just think that, unless you are fairly experienced with being in a threatening situation, you want the thing that is easiest to use.
Pretty hard to aim a pistol when you are shaking, let alone unsnap it from your holster that is in the back of your sports bra.
**I don't know too many people who feel comfortable carrying concealed without training.
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So an assailant holding a knife is enough to deter people to listen, but not enough for an assailant to think twice?
Predators don't want a fight. ANY resistance or awareness that they are there, is many times enough to dissuade an attack.
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Good thing I take people's opinions here highly.bigmuneymfp wrote: »
Lol, why because you disagree?bigmuneymfp wrote: »
THIS. Personally I think a knife would be easier to use and is usually enough of a deterrent against an assailant.StarvingDiva wrote: »Listen, I would never belittle the efforts of any woman who wanted to take measures to protect herself.
I just think that, unless you are fairly experienced with being in a threatening situation, you want the thing that is easiest to use.
Pretty hard to aim a pistol when you are shaking, let alone unsnap it from your holster that is in the back of your sports bra.
**I don't know too many people who feel comfortable carrying concealed without training.
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So an assailant holding a knife is enough to deter people to listen, but not enough for an assailant to think twice?
Predators don't want a fight. ANY resistance or awareness that they are there, is many times enough to dissuade an attack.
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You're embarrassing yourself It's great that people who just advocate firearms believe that anyone can learn how to shoot someone, but someone can't be taught how to defend themselves with a knife.
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Yes. We have experts here on how to disarm a knife wielder who may have had training. Must have learned from Jake Mace.competecompetecompete wrote: »
In a "fighting league" okay. But we're talking predators with likely no experience in actually fighting out in general public looking for a VICTIM. Lol, if a 125lbs woman pulled a knife out on me (and I'm over 200lbs), I'm NOT gonna see if I can take her without getting injured. I doubt any regular guy would.competecompetecompete wrote: »Those of you who are opposed to carrying a gun. Have you considered the endless variables you are in every single day?
How about grocery shopping? At the mall? Walking out to your car after being out to eat...or just being out to eat?
Anything can happen anytime. I hope nobody says having a gun is the perfect answer for every situation, because it's not. But minimizing risk is the best approach. It just is.
And whomever said a knife...please stop. If there was a fighting league and the face off was of a 125 pound woman with a knife and a 220 dude with nothing. Who is your money on?
I keep thinking of the story where a woman who had her concealed permit was going to eat with her mom and brother(?)...family members whatever. Anyway. Someone lunatic came in blasting up the place. What do you think she did?
@ninerbuff sorry you were the one who mentioned the knife
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Stop giving bad advice on here, or anywhere.
That knife would be used against you.
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Lol keep posting!!!1
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Lol, of course the first thought when confronted is to run/get away if possible.
Lol, why because you disagree?bigmuneymfp wrote: »
THIS. Personally I think a knife would be easier to use and is usually enough of a deterrent against an assailant.StarvingDiva wrote: »Listen, I would never belittle the efforts of any woman who wanted to take measures to protect herself.
I just think that, unless you are fairly experienced with being in a threatening situation, you want the thing that is easiest to use.
Pretty hard to aim a pistol when you are shaking, let alone unsnap it from your holster that is in the back of your sports bra.
**I don't know too many people who feel comfortable carrying concealed without training.
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So an assailant holding a knife is enough to deter people to listen, but not enough for an assailant to think twice?
Predators don't want a fight. ANY resistance or awareness that they are there, is many times enough to dissuade an attack.
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So some cubicle worker is somehow going to take a knife out of his or her pocket, unfold it, hold it in a meaninful way and tell a bad guy to "back off!" ?
Okay, you might scare off the tweaker that's 20 feet away.
You might feel confident, or invincible because you have that little piece of steel, when you should be running the (kitten) away.
Or, you'll just get cut with your own knife that you clumsily fumbled and dropped while deploying - or stabbed yourself, because the other guy was already ready to do harm. The bad guy is used to getting hit/kicked/punched/stabbed. He's probably lead a life with some violence in it.
Or get dead, because you've now escalated the situation by brandishing but not being willing to use the knife.
Any method you use, you have to drill frequently. Experts I've done training with, retired law enforcement officers, train daily. If you can't deploy and use your method within seconds, well.
My first response to the OP was "run in safer areas, run with someone else, or be somewhere where there's lots of public around".
However, as I mentioned a predator sneaks up on people who aren't aware. ANY WEAPON may be useless if a person is caught off guard.
Fighting is your last resort. IMO it's easier to pull a knife out of a sheath ( if you're trained to use it) and defend yourself, than to unholster a gun, turn off the safety and try to shoot if someone snuck up and put a choke on you.
People won't agree. That's fine, but I don't believe it's any more bad advice than a holstered gun when someone gets attacked without any warning.
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