Understanding Insulin is key to weight control
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RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »
Colombia university has studies to back this up. If your running marathons fasting may not be for you but you should look into ketosis dieting. Fat give you more sustained energy for your run.RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Please show results of each of the plans you follow. At 39 I'll compare my physique to anyone and my blood work too. Main stream has pushed this western type diet to all of you becouse it is a cash cow for them. In reality obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer can all be mitigated through fasting. If you haven't researched or tried it you really shouldn't comment.
You didn't answer my questions.
Physique has nothing to do with anything. I think my endurance running times would suffer if my physique was like your own.
Please show me the studies that IF is any better than cutting calories?
And to say you can mitigate cancer by it is just dangerous and stupid imo.
Link your studies.
And you still didn't answer my questions.
Obesity: New Insights for the Healthcare Professional 2013 edition. Great read good luck to you19 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Please show results of each of the plans you follow. At 39 I'll compare my physique to anyone and my blood work too. Main stream has pushed this western type diet to all of you becouse it is a cash cow for them. In reality obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer can all be mitigated through fasting. If you haven't researched or tried it you really shouldn't comment.
Let's see. No more diabetes, no more blood pressure, normalized blood lipid profile, a 4 fold decrease in triglycerides, a near 2 fold increase in HDL, fitness improvement from barely being able to walk for 5 minutes to running for over an hour, No longer morbidly obese with a BMI poking 50, and all of that while consuming 150-350 grams of carbs a day.
Great job, keep up the good work. I eat carbs too for muscle building during my lean bulking phase. I'm pretty sure you've really cleaned up your carb sources and are really disciplined with your nutrition. Great job..12 -
I posted to the video for the brake down it does about insulin not the one meal a day. But theres benefits to that too.
Again it's information on insulin response was around the one macro they wish to demonise. It didn't even mention the other macros and their insulin response.
They are cherry picking.8 -
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RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »
Colombia university has studies to back this up. If your running marathons fasting may not be for you but you should look into ketosis dieting. Fat give you more sustained energy for your run.RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Please show results of each of the plans you follow. At 39 I'll compare my physique to anyone and my blood work too. Main stream has pushed this western type diet to all of you becouse it is a cash cow for them. In reality obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer can all be mitigated through fasting. If you haven't researched or tried it you really shouldn't comment.
You didn't answer my questions.
Physique has nothing to do with anything. I think my endurance running times would suffer if my physique was like your own.
Please show me the studies that IF is any better than cutting calories?
And to say you can mitigate cancer by it is just dangerous and stupid imo.
Link your studies.
And you still didn't answer my questions.
Obesity: New Insights for the Healthcare Professional 2013 edition. Great read good luck to you
That is not a study, it is the authors interpretation.9 -
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I posted to the video for the brake down it does about insulin not the one meal a day. But theres benefits to that too.
http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131(15)00350-2
Tl;dr: it's irrelevant.7 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »DallasFilby wrote: »I thought it was an interesting video, but I am pretty uneducated when it comes to nutrition and am only just getting started. My first thought regarding eating once per day is, how do you get enough nutrients such as vitamins, minerals etc? One thing that MFP has shown me in the short time I've been using it is that it takes quite a lot of work to get the RDI of vitamins and minerals and I can't see how you'd achieve this in just one meal. I would appreciate anyone elses thought's on this.
It is possible and there is nothing wrong with eating OMAD, but you don't have to. Meal timing is irrelevant to 99% of the population.
A lot of people like OMAD as it helps them eat fewer calories and some people find it helps them be less hungry also.
It does not do any thing else that this video claims to my knowledge and I'm still waiting on the OP to provide any studies to read.
Thanks! Some of the video's content went over my head. I'll have to rewatch and try and get a better understanding.
One thing I've found with MFD is that if you're calorie intake is below a certain level, it won't give you a daily completion result, instead it says your calorie intake is dangerously low and that MFD considers that kind of dieting dangerous or words to the effect. I'm guessing it wouldn't support a OMAD strategy.1 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Please show results of each of the plans you follow. At 39 I'll compare my physique to anyone and my blood work too. Main stream has pushed this western type diet to all of you becouse it is a cash cow for them. In reality obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer can all be mitigated through fasting. If you haven't researched or tried it you really shouldn't comment.
Let's see. No more diabetes, no more blood pressure, normalized blood lipid profile, a 4 fold decrease in triglycerides, a near 2 fold increase in HDL, fitness improvement from barely being able to walk for 5 minutes to running for over an hour, No longer morbidly obese with a BMI poking 50, and all of that while consuming 150-350 grams of carbs a day.
Great job, keep up the good work. I eat carbs too for muscle building during my lean bulking phase. I'm pretty sure you've really cleaned up your carb sources and are really disciplined with your nutrition. Great job..
Don't be so sure. The main reduction in my calories came from fat, the rest of my food hasn't changed (including my carbs).6 -
DallasFilby wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »DallasFilby wrote: »I thought it was an interesting video, but I am pretty uneducated when it comes to nutrition and am only just getting started. My first thought regarding eating once per day is, how do you get enough nutrients such as vitamins, minerals etc? One thing that MFP has shown me in the short time I've been using it is that it takes quite a lot of work to get the RDI of vitamins and minerals and I can't see how you'd achieve this in just one meal. I would appreciate anyone elses thought's on this.
It is possible and there is nothing wrong with eating OMAD, but you don't have to. Meal timing is irrelevant to 99% of the population.
A lot of people like OMAD as it helps them eat fewer calories and some people find it helps them be less hungry also.
It does not do any thing else that this video claims to my knowledge and I'm still waiting on the OP to provide any studies to read.
Thanks! Some of the video's content went over my head. I'll have to rewatch and try and get a better understanding.
One thing I've found with MFD is that if you're calorie intake is below a certain level, it won't give you a daily completion result, instead it says your calorie intake is dangerously low and that MFD considers that kind of dieting dangerous or words to the effect. I'm guessing it wouldn't support a OMAD strategy.
It would as long as you have enough calories in your one meal. Cause that is what counts.3 -
DallasFilby wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »DallasFilby wrote: »I thought it was an interesting video, but I am pretty uneducated when it comes to nutrition and am only just getting started. My first thought regarding eating once per day is, how do you get enough nutrients such as vitamins, minerals etc? One thing that MFP has shown me in the short time I've been using it is that it takes quite a lot of work to get the RDI of vitamins and minerals and I can't see how you'd achieve this in just one meal. I would appreciate anyone elses thought's on this.
It is possible and there is nothing wrong with eating OMAD, but you don't have to. Meal timing is irrelevant to 99% of the population.
A lot of people like OMAD as it helps them eat fewer calories and some people find it helps them be less hungry also.
It does not do any thing else that this video claims to my knowledge and I'm still waiting on the OP to provide any studies to read.
Thanks! Some of the video's content went over my head. I'll have to rewatch and try and get a better understanding.
One thing I've found with MFD is that if you're calorie intake is below a certain level, it won't give you a daily completion result, instead it says your calorie intake is dangerously low and that MFD considers that kind of dieting dangerous or words to the effect. I'm guessing it wouldn't support a OMAD strategy.
I really wouldn't be re-watching that video, it was not a good source of information.
Even with OMAD you should be hitting your minimum calories. You will struggle to get enough fats and protein if you eat so low calorie.
They are the two macros you want to hit. See the goal number as a minimum. Then fill in the rest of your calories with any thing you like, I eat a lot of veggies to hit my micros and fill me. Then before bed I'll have an ice cream or some snacks.
It really is about finding out what works for you. The right way is the way that you find sustainable long term.
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I'm a fan of fasting for dietary adherence - it works for me but I'm happy to concede that it doesn't work for everyone.
But, I'm also clear that there is nothing special about fasting over a similar caloric intake spread about the day or week in any other pattern.
I spent some time searching studies in the hope that there was some metabolic advantage when (studied isocalorifically in humans) but it seems that this is not the case and, in fact a recent (2016) meta analysis shows.
http://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/8/6/354/htm
Some key points:- 9 studies of >6 months duration collated.
- A total of 981 subjects
- results indicating neither intermittent or continuous energy restriction being superior with respect to weight loss
- The effects of intermittent energy restriction in the long term remain unclear.
- Blood lipid concentrations, glucose, and insulin were not altered by intermittent energy expenditure in values greater than those seen with continuous energy restriction.
Note: My google powers may not be the strongest, if others have better data/studies, even if they contradict this study - I'm cool with that. I'm here to learn.19 -
Interesting study @StealthHealth
I was surprised that there was no higher long term adherence with IF.0 -
@RuNaRoUnDaFiEld - yep me too but maybe it's because the subjects were assigned continuous restriction or IF.
As we see on these boards, some people like fasting (IF or 5:2 or whatever protocol they choose) and others hate it so it's plausible that many of the study participants were randomly dropped into a protocol which they didn't favour or enjoy and so they dropped out. Of course, you couldn't get the participants to choose because the randomised part of these trials is a pretty important bit.
I guess in practical terms, its up to us to experiment with what works best for us at any given time and goal (I use IF a lot but when bulking I used to drop IF and eat more frequently because cramming down masses of food in front of my perma-dieting wife was not a sensible plan for a harmonious household
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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PM
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PM
Here's some research for you all. Love this discussion. Just keep in mind I'm not just talking about losing weight.16 -
Findings are still in infancy...however, overall peer reviewed research seems to indicate no substantial difference between calorie restriction & IF. Some adherence issues with both & limited sample sizes. Only the abstract/summaries are provided, however this offers a useful overview.
https://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v35/n5/full/ijo2010171a.html
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2011.00873.x/full
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0002934394903026
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/102/2/464.short
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S193152441400200X
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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PM
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PM
Here's some research for you all. Love this discussion. Just keep in mind I'm not just talking about losing weight.
Erm, none of these are validated and peer reviewed articles. It's just a lot of dead links and header pages...15 -
LisaEatSleepRun wrote: »Findings are still in infancy...however, overall peer reviewed research seems to indicate no substantial difference between calorie restriction & IF. Some adherence issues with both & limited sample sizes. Only the abstract/summaries are provided, however this offers a useful overview.
https://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v35/n5/full/ijo2010171a.html
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2011.00873.x/full
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0002934394903026
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/102/2/464.short
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S193152441400200X
The "marked recidivism" comment in the first science direct article is depressing. I guess losing is only half the battle.1 -
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PM
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PM
Here's some research for you all. Love this discussion. Just keep in mind I'm not just talking about losing weight.
None of those links are to studies.8 -
I am pretty uneducated when it comes to nutrition or insulin.
But this is my experience : I have practiced 18:6 IF for 4 years. I feel better, I have more energy and I train WAY better during my fasted period.
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