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SeikoMonster wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »
Anyone who needs to put some effort into the lift is going to make a little noise...that's not show boating, that's actually working out...and nobody is grunting with 70 Lbs...
The 70 pound massive lift was a true story from yesterday... I am not kidding in the slightest. You would have thought he was lifting a car that was stuck on his chest.
I'm in agreement with you. I can only speak to the 2 PF's I go to. A little grunt or sharp breath as you lift is not a problem at either of them. Its the idiots that are the problem. Ive only had the "Lunk Alarm" go of twice in my 4-5 months there. Some jack wagon intentionally dropped a 60 pound bar bell while doing bicep curls. And the 70 pounder.
That has always been one of my worst pet peeves. If you drop a weight... I mean really drop it... not just the thunk from putting down the bell or bells after Bench press; I totally understand that 70+ lb dumbells make a sound when they touchdown. It's a thunk not a crash. Don't immediately go up in weight and drop the weight again.
The lift starts and ends at the floor/rack. Be purposeful and deliberate from start to end5 -
It is a great place for cardio, I powerlift at home. For me its convenient and can usually find one when traveling. I do get a kick out of people using the smith machines, but hey they are doing more than most people.0
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thewindandthework wrote: »I stick to machine-based strength training, and cardio machines. there is a freeweight section, but it's smaller when compared to other gyms I've been to, and as mentioned above, they don't want to hear any weights dropping or clanking, and they don't want to hear any loud grunting.
Not just loud grunting. Officially, they don't want to hear even the slightest amount of grunting. Not even loud exhaling.
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/yp51yc/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-the-plight-of-muscled-americans
If you're lucky though, the management at your local PF won't be so draconian.
Basically, I'd say that PF is okay for LIGHT cardio and some lighter isolated resistance training. Not very good for the more effective weight training moves that just about everyone should be doing.0 -
Seriously? 70 lbs isn't even a beginner level bench press. That's the exactly the sort of mentality that PF tries to promote -- the notion that people above a beginner level are somehow being excessive.SeikoMonster wrote: »I dead lift, super set, bench and overhead weekly.
They don't want people screaming and dropping weights. If you are referring to that as noise. Actually its nice, not having that guy doing massive 70 pound bench press grunting like he just lifted a car.
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BTW, whatever you do, don't go with their workout recommendations. I kid you not.
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Seriously? 70 lbs isn't even a beginner level bench press. That's the exactly the sort of mentality that PF tries to promote -- the notion that people above a beginner level are somehow being excessive.SeikoMonster wrote: »I dead lift, super set, bench and overhead weekly.
They don't want people screaming and dropping weights. If you are referring to that as noise. Actually its nice, not having that guy doing massive 70 pound bench press grunting like he just lifted a car.
As someone that's working to pass her 75lb bench press and feels darn proud of it can I just say that you might want to be mindful of your tone or at least the way you phrase your argument? I know you're trying to make a point and call out someone else BUT you basically just tore down everyone that's benching under 100lbs in the process.
LOTS of people start off way below 70lb on a bench press.12 -
MsHarryWinston wrote: »
Seriously? 70 lbs isn't even a beginner level bench press. That's the exactly the sort of mentality that PF tries to promote -- the notion that people above a beginner level are somehow being excessive.SeikoMonster wrote: »I dead lift, super set, bench and overhead weekly.
They don't want people screaming and dropping weights. If you are referring to that as noise. Actually its nice, not having that guy doing massive 70 pound bench press grunting like he just lifted a car.
As someone that's working to pass her 75lb bench press and feels darn proud of it can I just say that you might want to watch your tone? I know you're trying to make a point and call out someone else BUT you basically just tore down everyone that's benching under 100lbs in the process.
Ma'm, he was talking about "that guy" doing a 70lb bench press. I understand that some women would reasonably feel proud of a 75lb bench press, but for the majority of men, that's pretty much a warm-up weight for beginners.
Again, for most MEN, it's not even a beginner weight.
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As for screaming during a bench press -- I am skeptical that this story played out exactly as stated, precisely because 70lbs is way too light for even novice male lifters. Even if we grant it to be true though, most people would agree that screaming or grunting excessively during a lift is poor gym etiquette. Same thing with slamming weights to the ground. This is not unique at all to Planet Fitness.
The real problem is that PF goes way overboard. Officially, even light grunting is prohibited, as shown in the video that I posted. Ditto for dropping weights naturally, such as at the end of a heavy dumbbell bench press. This is often the safest thing to do, and the only way to avoid it is to prevent people from working harder.
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MsHarryWinston wrote: »
Seriously? 70 lbs isn't even a beginner level bench press. That's the exactly the sort of mentality that PF tries to promote -- the notion that people above a beginner level are somehow being excessive.SeikoMonster wrote: »I dead lift, super set, bench and overhead weekly.
They don't want people screaming and dropping weights. If you are referring to that as noise. Actually its nice, not having that guy doing massive 70 pound bench press grunting like he just lifted a car.
As someone that's working to pass her 75lb bench press and feels darn proud of it can I just say that you might want to watch your tone? I know you're trying to make a point and call out someone else BUT you basically just tore down everyone that's benching under 100lbs in the process.
Ma'm, he was talking about "that guy" doing a 70lb bench press. I understand that some women would reasonably feel proud of a 75lb bench press, but for the majority of men, that's pretty much a warm-up weight for beginners.
Again, for most MEN, it's not even a beginner weight.
Honestly, I don't think 75lb is a massive amount of weight either way, for men or women. I just thought the way the argument was phrased was kind of crappy and thoughtless. Because lots of women and men are struggling to get there.
Yes, calling 75lb "masssive" is rediculous, though I'm pretty sure it's been established that it was dubbed that ironically. But there's no need to *kitten* on it either to make a point. Because it's just going to make the people in that weight zone reading this thread feel like crap.
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Again, I was not talking about women. The post referred to a man lifting 70lbs, and whether you like it or not, that IS well below a beginner level for men.
You say that "lots of women and men are struggling to get there." I'd really like to see how many men are truly "struggling" to reach the 70lb bench press level. I can guarantee that it's nowhere near a lot.1 -
Just to preempt any further debate on this ridiculous point about men struggling to press 70lbs...
In my men's fitness class, we typically start newbies off with multi-rep sets of 75 to 95 lbs each. These are not seasoned athletes, mind you. These are typically people who have been sitting on the couch and are just now starting a fitness program. Even our one teenager started out with that weight range.0 -
SeikoMonster wrote: »
Maybe it's heavy for him/her.2 -
I'm not a fan of PF business practices and advertisement campaigns.
Luckily for me my gym is close in price to PF and has everything for my lifting needs without the side of passive aggressive.1 -
Maybe it's just me, but my main issue with pf is the lack of a squat rack (smith squats are not an adequate replacement) more so than some of the anti-lunk policies. On the other hand, the cost is really low so there is that...0
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Muscleflex79 wrote: »the catch is they don't like people who take their workouts too seriously - no deadlifts, no noises, no supersets, no benching, no overhead press. if you like just cardio I guess it could be ok.
This is not the case at the PF that I am a member of. I enjoy the 30 minute workout and lift in a way to register as cardio. Mine has plenty of machines for cardio and lifting. From what I have heard about others, mine is fairly unique as they have 2 squat racks. It is all about what makes you comforatble.0 -
Oh, so you heard a story about a guy who knew a guy who was thrown out of a PF more making a grunting sound and dropping a weight. Yeah, sounds legit. It is kind of bizarre to have a strong opinion about PF if you have never actually exercised there.0
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Bry_Lander wrote: »Oh, so you heard a story about a guy who knew a guy who was thrown out of a PF more making a grunting sound and dropping a weight. Yeah, sounds legit. It is kind of bizarre to have a strong opinion about PF if you have never actually exercised there.
My main concern would be lack of heavier DB's, fixed BB's and the laughably light stacks on their machines.
It may be a great place to start your journey but I can't see anybody serious about lifting not outgrowing their equipment within a year or two.It is a great place for cardio, I powerlift at home. For me its convenient and can usually find one when traveling. I do get a kick out of people using the smith machines, but hey they are doing more than most people.
I love the smith machine for heavy shrugs and for burning in some incline bench presses after doing some free-weight flat BP's - especially if there is no spotter. The smith machine is a great piece of equipment and has its uses... although squatting or DL's isn't one of them.0 -
jseams1234 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »SeikoMonster wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »the catch is they don't like people who take their workouts too seriously - no deadlifts, no noises, no supersets, no benching, no overhead press. if you like just cardio I guess it could be ok.
You are incorrect in almost everything you said.
I dead lift, super set, bench and overhead weekly.
They don't want people screaming and dropping weights. If you are referring to that as noise. Actually its nice, not having that guy doing massive 70 pound bench press grunting like he just lifted a car.
It is not the gym to turn you into mr olympia. But for the other 80% of people that don't need more than 75 pound dumbbells, and are okay using a smith machine its a good place.
Cheap, clean, never much if any wait for using a machine or spot to use the dumbbells.
Lol..."massive 70 Lb bench press"...if a 70 Lb bench press is massive, PF is probably spot on your place to be...
And I read "massive 70 Lb bench press" as a sarcastic dig at grunting showboaters.
Anyone who needs to put some effort into the lift is going to make a little noise...that's not show boating, that's actually working out...and nobody is grunting with 70 Lbs...
I had my wife quit her idiot trainer a few months ago and have her lifting with me now. She has made incredible progress and now benches two 25# plates - so about 95#. She grunts a little on her last few reps of her last set. She'd kill me if I tried to make fun of the weight she was pushing. It's HEAVY for her. It's all relative.
I was responding to a post that specifically mentioned a guy...yes, it is relative, but most guys who have been working out aren't going to have difficulty with 70 Lbs...context of what I was replying to brah...3 -
MsHarryWinston wrote: »
Seriously? 70 lbs isn't even a beginner level bench press. That's the exactly the sort of mentality that PF tries to promote -- the notion that people above a beginner level are somehow being excessive.SeikoMonster wrote: »I dead lift, super set, bench and overhead weekly.
They don't want people screaming and dropping weights. If you are referring to that as noise. Actually its nice, not having that guy doing massive 70 pound bench press grunting like he just lifted a car.
As someone that's working to pass her 75lb bench press and feels darn proud of it can I just say that you might want to be mindful of your tone or at least the way you phrase your argument? I know you're trying to make a point and call out someone else BUT you basically just tore down everyone that's benching under 100lbs in the process.
LOTS of people start off way below 70lb on a bench press.
Context, context, context...the response was to a post that was specifically about a "dude"....context of discussion is kind of important.
Outside of a brand new lifter, most guys aren't going to have an issue with 70 Lbs...and even if they are brand new, 70 Lbs won't be much issue for very long.3 -
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Nothing wrong with the PF by me. I get most of my heavy lifting done at my workplace gym. Those days I can't make it over or if I want a weekend session I can accomplish a good lifting session there. There are some fairly muscular people at the one I go to and they work hard when they are there. About the only no-no I've heard tell about is the spaghetti strap tanks.
If I miss a squat or DL day at work I can find other ways to get a solid leg day in. Sometimes you have to be creative. Like doing RDL on the smith machines they have. Or front squats like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx8O2ziMeiA 0 -
So the takeaway: If you want to to make gains in mass, don't go to PF. It doesn't have the equipment or weights for you to really do that. However, if you are looking for a place to do light weights (which for me and my RA is perfect) and cardio, it's a great place to work out. In the end, the only thing that matters is your goals and finding the gym/fitness center that meets them.2
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HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Don't think it's the rest days that are the issue...3 -
crummywatertowr wrote: »So the takeaway: If you want to to make gains in mass, don't go to PF. It doesn't have the equipment or weights for you to really do that. However, if you are looking for a place to do light weights (which for me and my RA is perfect) and cardio, it's a great place to work out. In the end, the only thing that matters is your goals and finding the gym/fitness center that meets them.
Actually, I disagree with the bolded sentence. I think you can, at least at the PF I go too. I wouldn't be able to powerlift but I could definitely switch to a BB program and add mass by progression.
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piperdown44 wrote: »crummywatertowr wrote: »So the takeaway: If you want to to make gains in mass, don't go to PF. It doesn't have the equipment or weights for you to really do that. However, if you are looking for a place to do light weights (which for me and my RA is perfect) and cardio, it's a great place to work out. In the end, the only thing that matters is your goals and finding the gym/fitness center that meets them.
Actually, I disagree with the bolded sentence. I think you can, at least at the PF I go too. I wouldn't be able to powerlift but I could definitely switch to a BB program and add mass by progression.
And actually, I think you are right. At my PF, I see guys and girls from every fitness level. The larger muscle people are making gains doing their workout, just like the larger non-muscle people like me are working hard to lose weight. The argument for/against PF is just tiring and not constructive. I was just trying to condense the tired arguments of pro/con of PF into an easy statement for the OP.1 -
crummywatertowr wrote: »So the takeaway: If you want to to make gains in mass, don't go to PF. It doesn't have the equipment or weights for you to really do that. However, if you are looking for a place to do light weights (which for me and my RA is perfect) and cardio, it's a great place to work out. In the end, the only thing that matters is your goals and finding the gym/fitness center that meets them.
I think the bigger issue is if you want to power lift or work primarily with barbell compound movements or like me, Oly lift, it's basically a non starter...I could see doing a BB program at PF. Most of my BB friends primarily work with dumbbells and cables with high volume.1 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »crummywatertowr wrote: »So the takeaway: If you want to to make gains in mass, don't go to PF. It doesn't have the equipment or weights for you to really do that. However, if you are looking for a place to do light weights (which for me and my RA is perfect) and cardio, it's a great place to work out. In the end, the only thing that matters is your goals and finding the gym/fitness center that meets them.
I think the bigger issue is if you want to power lift or work primarily with barbell compound movements or like me, Oly lift, it's basically a non starter...I could see doing a BB program at PF. Most of my BB friends primarily work with dumbbells and cables with high volume.
You're def not going to be able to do Oly's. At any PF.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »crummywatertowr wrote: »So the takeaway: If you want to to make gains in mass, don't go to PF. It doesn't have the equipment or weights for you to really do that. However, if you are looking for a place to do light weights (which for me and my RA is perfect) and cardio, it's a great place to work out. In the end, the only thing that matters is your goals and finding the gym/fitness center that meets them.
I think the bigger issue is if you want to power lift or work primarily with barbell compound movements or like me, Oly lift, it's basically a non starter...I could see doing a BB program at PF. Most of my BB friends primarily work with dumbbells and cables with high volume.
I understand. I coach high school football, and I wouldn't recommend my players to join PF, for those reasons. They do tons of compound movements and PF is not equipped for that. However, for someone like me, who has RA in remission, it's a great place for me to do high rep low weight exercises. Again, it's just about the goals of the person. I have access to my school gym 24/7 but it doesn't meet my goals. So I go to PF.2 -
stanmann571 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »crummywatertowr wrote: »So the takeaway: If you want to to make gains in mass, don't go to PF. It doesn't have the equipment or weights for you to really do that. However, if you are looking for a place to do light weights (which for me and my RA is perfect) and cardio, it's a great place to work out. In the end, the only thing that matters is your goals and finding the gym/fitness center that meets them.
I think the bigger issue is if you want to power lift or work primarily with barbell compound movements or like me, Oly lift, it's basically a non starter...I could see doing a BB program at PF. Most of my BB friends primarily work with dumbbells and cables with high volume.
You're def not going to be able to do Oly's. At any PF.
Olympic lifting is basically the only thing that keeps me in the weight room...if it wasn't for Oly lifting, I'd probably never lift. I learned in high school when I was a track and field sprinter and jumper and it was my primary way of weight training for my sport.
My trainer gives me a bunch of other stuff to do as well, but it's the Oly work that gets me in the door...otherwise I'd just rather be on my bike or the climbing gym or hitting the trails on a mountain bike.1
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