30 Days No Junk No Soda !!
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When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food. Its basically poison we reward ourselves with. I havent has any of it for a couple months now and truthfully I dont really miss it.
I think taking a periodic sabatical from junk is a good idea.
how exactly is fast food, or any of the other things you listed,"poison?" I was not aware that having a sub from subway was going to poison me....
hyperbole, much?
Sorry man, I was sure that the 53g of sugar in a bottle on coke was bad for you. Or that 900 calorie whopper.
What ever was I thinking!?
You mean 630 calories? Because protein, fat, vegetables and a bun are totally poisonous10 -
When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food.
Eh, depending on how one defines fast food (does Pret count? it's pretty darn fast?) and ignoring my occasional LaCroix (isn't that soda?) and diet Coke/ginger ale, I never really ate this stuff even before MFP. Not because it's "poison" (I don't think it is, and generalizing about fast food and all candy -- even the homemade stuff? -- is hard to do), but because my indulgences are different ones.
So cutting it out wouldn't be worthwhile for me (as I don't eat it).
It seems a strange thing to fixate on given how much else goes into having a good diet. If those things were foods I enjoyed, I'd be more proud of myself for eating an overall nutritious diet with sensible calories and lots of vegetables, personally, than whether or not I totally eliminated something I liked.
But whatever.
(I do think OP trying a 30 day change if she thinks foods are too significant part of her diet is reasonable, just not that well defined for others joining in if that's what she wants. I cut out added sugar for 30 days as an experiment and then added it back in moderation. For some of us limited term challenges can be helpful. But I HATE the idea that not eating specific demonized foods is what nutrition is all about, whereas if you eat the nutrient-dense foods in the variety needed to get in everything on limited calories, you won't be eating so called "junk" in excess anyway.)0 -
You guys really get upset over the littlest thing huh? I feel like the diets you folks are on must be making you miserable that you need to lash out so often.14
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When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food. Its basically poison we reward ourselves with. I havent has any of it for a couple months now and truthfully I dont really miss it.
I think taking a periodic sabatical from junk is a good idea.
how exactly is fast food, or any of the other things you listed,"poison?" I was not aware that having a sub from subway was going to poison me....
hyperbole, much?
Sorry man, I was sure that the 53g of sugar in a bottle on coke was bad for you. Or that 900 calorie whopper.
What ever was I thinking!?
No, and no.
At least, not necessarily. And/or probably not.
Diabetic? Then, yes - that much sugar is probably not a great idea. Not diabetic? Able to utilize that much sugar? Almost certainly not a problem.
Very low-Calorie diet? That Whopper probably isn't the best choice. Moderate-Calorie diet? OK, but will probably want to take care to make sure you plan the rest of your day accordingly. Bulking/maintaining, with a considerably higher Caloric goal than 900? You shouldn't have any issues.3 -
You guys really get upset over the littlest thing huh? I feel like the diets you folks are on must be making you miserable that you need to lash out so often.
Not at all.
Hopefully, you're open to learning something. If so, great. If not, I'm sorry to hear it.
edited becuaz speling iz hrd5 -
You guys really get upset over the littlest thing huh? I feel like the diets you folks are on must be making you miserable that you need to lash out so often.
Um no. Calling things poisonous when they are not is not a little thing. People who make big claims have the burden of proof and I haven't seen you posting anything to back up your claims.7 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food.
Eh, depending on how one defines fast food (does Pret count? it's pretty darn fast?) and ignoring my occasional LaCroix (isn't that soda?) and diet Coke/ginger ale, I never really ate this stuff even before MFP. Not because it's "poison" (I don't think it is, and generalizing about fast food and all candy -- even the homemade stuff? -- is hard to do), but because my indulgences are different ones.
So cutting it out wouldn't be worthwhile for me (as I don't eat it).
It seems a strange thing to fixate on given how much else goes into having a good diet. If those things were foods I enjoyed, I'd be more proud of myself for eating an overall nutritious diet with sensible calories and lots of vegetables, personally, than whether or not I totally eliminated something I liked.
But whatever.
(I do think OP trying a 30 day change if she thinks foods are too significant part of her diet is reasonable, just not that well defined for others joining in if that's what she wants. I cut out added sugar for 30 days as an experiment and then added it back in moderation. For some of us limited term challenges can be helpful. But I HATE the idea that not eating specific demonized foods is what nutrition is all about, whereas if you eat the nutrient-dense foods in the variety needed to get in everything on limited calories, you won't be eating so called "junk" in excess anyway.)
Fair enough but I think you would be hard pressed to find a doctor who believed eating candy fastfood and soda every day was wise. In fact, I suspect a doctor looking at a habitual diet of these things would suggest that it would harm your quality of life over time ... yaknow, like poison
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stevencloser wrote: »
Calm down Steven, I am sorry I offended you. (And thanks for proving my point about the lashing out thing)
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Packerjohn wrote: »Don't listen to the neigh sayers. In boot camp we didn't get soda for 3 months. Day before graduation is family day. We all went to Burger King and we were writhing in pain all night muscles hurt so bad. Our Drill instructors laughed at us, they see it every class and knew what was coming. How I got back into that poison I don't know. I too am cutting out soda but everything else in moderation.
what is this connection between drinking diet soda and writhing in muscle pain?
I drink diet soda before I go to the gym with zero issues...
Good it works for you but not everyone.
"Carbonation causes many people to feel bloated, particularly if consumed quickly or in large amounts. Drinking soda or other carbonated drinks causes excess air to build up in your stomach, resulting in bloating. Being bloated is likely to make exercise more difficult because that full feeling interferes with efficiency and may slow you down. In addition, that air in your belly may cause you to burp, creating more discomfort that may hinder your performance."
From this article:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/517219-the-effects-of-carbonated-drinks-on-exercising/
and the muscle pain part is where???
I was referring to your comment that soda didn't cause you ANY issues1 -
When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food. Its basically poison we reward ourselves with. I havent has any of it for a couple months now and truthfully I dont really miss it.
I think taking a periodic sabatical from junk is a good idea.
how exactly is fast food, or any of the other things you listed,"poison?" I was not aware that having a sub from subway was going to poison me....
hyperbole, much?
Sorry man, I was sure that the 53g of sugar in a bottle on coke was bad for you. Or that 900 calorie whopper.
What ever was I thinking!?
Context and dosage matters. Too much added sugar is hard to fit into an overall balanced diet, but that doesn't mean that the occasional sugary soda can never be consumed. A 900 calorie whopper wouldn't be my first choice, but I often get a McDouble and eat some of my kids fries from their Happy Meals, and with a diet soda, that barely even tops 500 calories, So how exactly does that make fast food "poison"?
Poison is poison, regardless of context and dosage. That's the difference here. No one is advocating that people shouldn't limit their consumption of these foods in order to prioritize nutrition and meet their overall weight management goals. But saying it is poison, or cutting it out altogether for a time bound period - just doesn't seem like a balanced, sustainable, long term approach.6 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food.
Eh, depending on how one defines fast food (does Pret count? it's pretty darn fast?) and ignoring my occasional LaCroix (isn't that soda?) and diet Coke/ginger ale, I never really ate this stuff even before MFP. Not because it's "poison" (I don't think it is, and generalizing about fast food and all candy -- even the homemade stuff? -- is hard to do), but because my indulgences are different ones.
So cutting it out wouldn't be worthwhile for me (as I don't eat it).
It seems a strange thing to fixate on given how much else goes into having a good diet. If those things were foods I enjoyed, I'd be more proud of myself for eating an overall nutritious diet with sensible calories and lots of vegetables, personally, than whether or not I totally eliminated something I liked.
But whatever.
(I do think OP trying a 30 day change if she thinks foods are too significant part of her diet is reasonable, just not that well defined for others joining in if that's what she wants. I cut out added sugar for 30 days as an experiment and then added it back in moderation. For some of us limited term challenges can be helpful. But I HATE the idea that not eating specific demonized foods is what nutrition is all about, whereas if you eat the nutrient-dense foods in the variety needed to get in everything on limited calories, you won't be eating so called "junk" in excess anyway.)
Fair enough but I think you would be hard pressed to find a doctor who believed eating candy fastfood and soda every day was wise. In fact, I suspect a doctor looking at a habitual diet of these things would suggest that it would harm your quality of life over time ... yaknow, like poison
I think you'd be hard pressed to find a Dr with more than a limited knowledge of anything nutrition related.6 -
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Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Don't listen to the neigh sayers. In boot camp we didn't get soda for 3 months. Day before graduation is family day. We all went to Burger King and we were writhing in pain all night muscles hurt so bad. Our Drill instructors laughed at us, they see it every class and knew what was coming. How I got back into that poison I don't know. I too am cutting out soda but everything else in moderation.
what is this connection between drinking diet soda and writhing in muscle pain?
I drink diet soda before I go to the gym with zero issues...
Good it works for you but not everyone.
"Carbonation causes many people to feel bloated, particularly if consumed quickly or in large amounts. Drinking soda or other carbonated drinks causes excess air to build up in your stomach, resulting in bloating. Being bloated is likely to make exercise more difficult because that full feeling interferes with efficiency and may slow you down. In addition, that air in your belly may cause you to burp, creating more discomfort that may hinder your performance."
From this article:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/517219-the-effects-of-carbonated-drinks-on-exercising/
and the muscle pain part is where???
I was referring to your comment that soda didn't cause you ANY issues
I specifically asked what the connection is between diet soda and writhing in pain...
did you not read that part?4 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Don't listen to the neigh sayers. In boot camp we didn't get soda for 3 months. Day before graduation is family day. We all went to Burger King and we were writhing in pain all night muscles hurt so bad. Our Drill instructors laughed at us, they see it every class and knew what was coming. How I got back into that poison I don't know. I too am cutting out soda but everything else in moderation.
what is this connection between drinking diet soda and writhing in muscle pain?
I drink diet soda before I go to the gym with zero issues...
Good it works for you but not everyone.
"Carbonation causes many people to feel bloated, particularly if consumed quickly or in large amounts. Drinking soda or other carbonated drinks causes excess air to build up in your stomach, resulting in bloating. Being bloated is likely to make exercise more difficult because that full feeling interferes with efficiency and may slow you down. In addition, that air in your belly may cause you to burp, creating more discomfort that may hinder your performance."
From this article:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/517219-the-effects-of-carbonated-drinks-on-exercising/
and the muscle pain part is where???
I was referring to your comment that soda didn't cause you ANY issues
I specifically asked what the connection is between diet soda and writhing in pain...
did you not read that part?
To be fair I do get crampy and uncomfortable with gas.
To be extra fair I should disclose that soda doesn't do it but broccoli and garlic do.3 -
When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food. Its basically poison we reward ourselves with. I havent has any of it for a couple months now and truthfully I dont really miss it.
I think taking a periodic sabatical from junk is a good idea.
how exactly is fast food, or any of the other things you listed,"poison?" I was not aware that having a sub from subway was going to poison me....
hyperbole, much?
Sorry man, I was sure that the 53g of sugar in a bottle on coke was bad for you. Or that 900 calorie whopper.
What ever was I thinking!?
How does the mere fact that something is 900 calories justify describing it as "poison"? That's less than most people eat in a day. Would eating it all at once make it harder for some people to meet their calorie goals? Sure. But that doesn't make it poison.5 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food.
Eh, depending on how one defines fast food (does Pret count? it's pretty darn fast?) and ignoring my occasional LaCroix (isn't that soda?) and diet Coke/ginger ale, I never really ate this stuff even before MFP. Not because it's "poison" (I don't think it is, and generalizing about fast food and all candy -- even the homemade stuff? -- is hard to do), but because my indulgences are different ones.
So cutting it out wouldn't be worthwhile for me (as I don't eat it).
It seems a strange thing to fixate on given how much else goes into having a good diet. If those things were foods I enjoyed, I'd be more proud of myself for eating an overall nutritious diet with sensible calories and lots of vegetables, personally, than whether or not I totally eliminated something I liked.
But whatever.
(I do think OP trying a 30 day change if she thinks foods are too significant part of her diet is reasonable, just not that well defined for others joining in if that's what she wants. I cut out added sugar for 30 days as an experiment and then added it back in moderation. For some of us limited term challenges can be helpful. But I HATE the idea that not eating specific demonized foods is what nutrition is all about, whereas if you eat the nutrient-dense foods in the variety needed to get in everything on limited calories, you won't be eating so called "junk" in excess anyway.)
Fair enough but I think you would be hard pressed to find a doctor who believed eating candy fastfood and soda every day was wise. In fact, I suspect a doctor looking at a habitual diet of these things would suggest that it would harm your quality of life over time ... yaknow, like poison
I think you'd be hard pressed to find a Dr with more than a limited knowledge of anything nutrition related.
To be honest a registered dietitian (who does have extensive knowledge of nutrition) would have issues with eating candy, fast food and drinking regular soda on a daily basis for thexample vast majority of the population.4 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Don't listen to the neigh sayers. In boot camp we didn't get soda for 3 months. Day before graduation is family day. We all went to Burger King and we were writhing in pain all night muscles hurt so bad. Our Drill instructors laughed at us, they see it every class and knew what was coming. How I got back into that poison I don't know. I too am cutting out soda but everything else in moderation.
what is this connection between drinking diet soda and writhing in muscle pain?
I drink diet soda before I go to the gym with zero issues...
Good it works for you but not everyone.
"Carbonation causes many people to feel bloated, particularly if consumed quickly or in large amounts. Drinking soda or other carbonated drinks causes excess air to build up in your stomach, resulting in bloating. Being bloated is likely to make exercise more difficult because that full feeling interferes with efficiency and may slow you down. In addition, that air in your belly may cause you to burp, creating more discomfort that may hinder your performance."
From this article:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/517219-the-effects-of-carbonated-drinks-on-exercising/
And that's why we were designed to fart and burp.
So farting isn't just for clearing rooms and getting to the front of the line, then!2 -
Packerjohn wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food.
Eh, depending on how one defines fast food (does Pret count? it's pretty darn fast?) and ignoring my occasional LaCroix (isn't that soda?) and diet Coke/ginger ale, I never really ate this stuff even before MFP. Not because it's "poison" (I don't think it is, and generalizing about fast food and all candy -- even the homemade stuff? -- is hard to do), but because my indulgences are different ones.
So cutting it out wouldn't be worthwhile for me (as I don't eat it).
It seems a strange thing to fixate on given how much else goes into having a good diet. If those things were foods I enjoyed, I'd be more proud of myself for eating an overall nutritious diet with sensible calories and lots of vegetables, personally, than whether or not I totally eliminated something I liked.
But whatever.
(I do think OP trying a 30 day change if she thinks foods are too significant part of her diet is reasonable, just not that well defined for others joining in if that's what she wants. I cut out added sugar for 30 days as an experiment and then added it back in moderation. For some of us limited term challenges can be helpful. But I HATE the idea that not eating specific demonized foods is what nutrition is all about, whereas if you eat the nutrient-dense foods in the variety needed to get in everything on limited calories, you won't be eating so called "junk" in excess anyway.)
Fair enough but I think you would be hard pressed to find a doctor who believed eating candy fastfood and soda every day was wise. In fact, I suspect a doctor looking at a habitual diet of these things would suggest that it would harm your quality of life over time ... yaknow, like poison
I think you'd be hard pressed to find a Dr with more than a limited knowledge of anything nutrition related.
To be honest a registered dietitian (who does have extensive knowledge of nutrition) would have issues with eating candy, fast food and drinking regular soda on a daily basis for thexample vast majority of the population.
Dieticians aren't Dr's. Unless they have a PhD.1 -
WinoGelato wrote: »When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food. Its basically poison we reward ourselves with. I havent has any of it for a couple months now and truthfully I dont really miss it.
I think taking a periodic sabatical from junk is a good idea.
how exactly is fast food, or any of the other things you listed,"poison?" I was not aware that having a sub from subway was going to poison me....
hyperbole, much?
Sorry man, I was sure that the 53g of sugar in a bottle on coke was bad for you. Or that 900 calorie whopper.
What ever was I thinking!?
Context and dosage matters. Too much added sugar is hard to fit into an overall balanced diet, but that doesn't mean that the occasional sugary soda can never be consumed. A 900 calorie whopper wouldn't be my first choice, but I often get a McDouble and eat some of my kids fries from their Happy Meals, and with a diet soda, that barely even tops 500 calories, So how exactly does that make fast food "poison"?
Sodium, Saturated Fat, Cholesterol. I assumed most people understood the health issues associated with fast food. I suppose it speaks to the obseity problem the western world seems to be having.
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