Forks over knives? New here
Jacsprat2014
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Hi I am using mfp to regulate my eating habits and trying to lose 30 pounds as well. I am vegan and following the forks over knives way of eating which is no oils or sugars or salt or processed food. So far this is working . I also do intermittent fasting and start eating at 1 and finish at 6.
Are there any FoK fans here or China study adherents? Also how do I share my diary?
Are there any FoK fans here or China study adherents? Also how do I share my diary?
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Glad to hear you've found a way to stick to your calorie deficit so far. Keep it up! Personally, I choose knives over forks.... How else do I cut my steak?! (and the china study is a load of bunk)6
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I am confused. What have forks instead of knives to do with vegan eating and not eating oil/sugar/salt/processed food?
Processed food to me actually is the one more likely to be eaten without needing a knife. Otherwise I also cut vegetables. Broccoli just would not fit into my mouth (or make the dinner table a mess) without using a knife to eat it. Oil, sugar and salt all work with neither (you'd need a spoon?)0 -
Forks Over Knives is a documentary promoting a vegan lifestyle. It's one that helped push me from vegetarian to vegan a few months ago. That alone did not cause me to lose weight though as I still just eat all day long. Wasn't gaining but wasn't losing, so here's to a healthy well portioned human diet!
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skymningen wrote: »I am confused. What have forks instead of knives to do with vegan eating and not eating oil/sugar/salt/processed food?
Processed food to me actually is the one more likely to be eaten without needing a knife. Otherwise I also cut vegetables. Broccoli just would not fit into my mouth (or make the dinner table a mess) without using a knife to eat it. Oil, sugar and salt all work with neither (you'd need a spoon?)
"Forks over Knives" is a mockumentary promoting plant based eating over animal based as a way to "eliminate or control disease".5 -
I'm somewhat following the forks over knives eating, we do use some oil and the plan says not to use any oils. I'm looking for some friends that are doing Vegan, FOK or any non meat lifestyles to add me for support. thanks
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Hi. Happy to support. Could you kindly look at my food entries for the past three days to check where my 300g cholestrol has come from? There is none in plant food!! I can't see how to search. Still finding out! Cheers1
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The China study isn't worth the paper it's written on.
It left out any data that didn't fit its very narrow view.3 -
Jacsprat2014 wrote: »Hi. Happy to support. Could you kindly look at my food entries for the past three days to check where my 300g cholestrol has come from? There is none in plant food!! I can't see how to search. Still finding out! Cheers
Your diary is closed but you probably used an incorrect entry. There are many incorrect entries in the database.
Try to type usda before the food you are searching for. Tends to bring up more accurate one's.1 -
Forks over knives means food (forks) or correct nutrition over surgery (knives). Not salad fork against steak knife as you might expect !
If you watch Forks over knives film on Netflix and then What the Health documentary it is clear. They are not funny so not mockumentary. They have literally tons of clinical evidence that shows that correct (whole food plant based) nutrition can keep you healthy and ward off and reverse cancer diabetes arthritis autoimmune diseases.etc.and extend your life an average of 9 years.
Also read The China Study's (listening currently on audible app)
This means no oil sugars or salt (except in original plant form) and very little processed foods so Flora spread for example or vegan butter, cheeses etc are not recommended.
This is contraversial because it attacks the dairy industry and the US and UK gmt prefer we don't know the truth about this so people are always trying to throw it into disrepute.
Have a look for yourself and make your own mind up.13 -
Thanks how do I open my diary?0
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Jacsprat2014 wrote: »Thanks how do I open my diary?
Click settings, click diary settings, then click public.
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Just opened my diary if you'd kindly look! Am intrigued as I have looked at every possible item!0
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Jacsprat2014 wrote: »Forks over knives means food (forks) or correct nutrition over surgery (knives). Not salad fork against steak knife as you might expect !
If you watch Forks over knives film on Netflix and then What the Health documentary it is clear. They are not funny so not mockumentary. They have literally tons of clinical evidence that shows that correct (whole food plant based) nutrition can keep you healthy and ward off and reverse cancer diabetes arthritis autoimmune diseases.etc.and extend your life an average of 9 years.
Also read The China Study's (listening currently on audible app)
This means no oil sugars or salt (except in original plant form) and very little processed foods so Flora spread for example or vegan butter, cheeses etc are not recommended.
This is contraversial because it attacks the dairy industry and the US and UK gmt prefer we don't know the truth about this so people are always trying to throw it into disrepute.
Have a look for yourself and make your own mind up.
It's controversial because it is one of the most one sided twisted studies of all time.
There is nothing to take from a study that leaves out the data that shows against their views.3 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »The China study isn't worth the paper it's written on.
It left out any data that didn't fit its very narrow view.
Where do you get your facts from? I just listened to it all on Audible. I don't see how anyone can possibly refute Campbell's evidence. He also lists lots of doctors who had their academic funding stopped because big dairy farmers and businesses like McDonald's did not want this work promoting. You have to read it all for yourself and decide. You can't cite what other people have said about it. Not sure if you are by the way but it's easy to do.6 -
Jacsprat2014 wrote: »Forks over knives means food (forks) or correct nutrition over surgery (knives). Not salad fork against steak knife as you might expect !
If you watch Forks over knives film on Netflix and then What the Health documentary it is clear. They are not funny so not mockumentary. They have literally tons of clinical evidence that shows that correct (whole food plant based) nutrition can keep you healthy and ward off and reverse cancer diabetes arthritis autoimmune diseases.etc.and extend your life an average of 9 years.
Also read The China Study's (listening currently on audible app)
This means no oil sugars or salt (except in original plant form) and very little processed foods so Flora spread for example or vegan butter, cheeses etc are not recommended.
This is contraversial because it attacks the dairy industry and the US and UK gmt prefer we don't know the truth about this so people are always trying to throw it into disrepute.
Have a look for yourself and make your own mind up.
A mockumentary is not supposed to be funny. That would be a comedy.
Most of the health "documentary" programs are literally designed to shock viewers. They are cherry picking information and studies to promote whatever one sided view they are trying to present.
If you are open to considering that everything you're presented isn't the truth, you may realise how much they misinform. Question everything, even what you believe to be right.3 -
Jacsprat2014 wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »The China study isn't worth the paper it's written on.
It left out any data that didn't fit its very narrow view.
Where do you get your facts from? I just listened to it all on Audible. I don't see how anyone can possibly refute Campbell's evidence. He also lists lots of doctors who had their academic funding stopped because big dairy farmers and businesses like McDonald's did not want this work promoting. You have to read it all for yourself and decide. You can't cite what other people have said about it. Not sure if you are by the way but it's easy to do.
You didn't. You listened to a podcast put together by a father and son with an agenda. They cherry picked small bits of a study. They cherry picked the bits of the study that fitted their personal agenda that made them money.
The title of their book makes me laugh. "The most comprehensive study"
The study does not even find what they claim it found, it had over 8000 correlations, no proof of anything. It wasn't even a peer reviewed paper.
There are however several peer reviewed studies debunking it.
Read the actual study not a podcast put together by people peddling books.4 -
Jacsprat2014 wrote: »Thanks how do I open my diary?
I can't spot which entry it is but my best guess would be that some one listed the phytosterols as cholesterol.
I wouldn't worry, cholesterol in food doesn't raise blood serum cholesterol levels in most people, despite what Dr Campbell says
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I'm vegan, I try to stay away from refined sugar, only use coconut oil. I don't follow any specific plan though, just go with how my body is feeling.2
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Where can I find the actual China Study if not a book by that name?0
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Frim Wikipedia. Campbell was one of the directors.
The book is loosely based on the China–Cornell–Oxford Project, a 20-year study—described by The New York Times as "the Grand Prix of epidemiology"—conducted by the Chinese Academy of Preventive Medicine, Cornell University, and the University of Oxford. T. Colin Campbell was one of the study's directors.[8] It looked at mortality rates from cancer and other chronic diseases from 1973–75 in 65 counties in China; the data was correlated with 1983–84 dietary surveys and blood work from 100 people in each county.3 -
China–Cornell–Oxford Project
The China–Cornell–Oxford Project was a large observational study conducted throughout the 1980s in rural China, jointly funded by Cornell University, the University of Oxford, and the government of China.[1] In May 1990, The New York Times termed the study "the Grand Prix of epidemiology".[2]
The first two major studies were led by T. Colin Campbell, professor of nutritional biochemistry at Cornell, who summarized the results in his book, The China Study (2004). Other lead researchers were Chen Junshi, Deputy Director of Institute of Nutrition and Food Hygiene at the Chinese Academy of Preventive Medicine in Beijing, Richard Peto of the University of Oxford, and Li Junyao of the China Cancer Institute.[3]
The study examined the diets, lifestyle, and disease characteristics of 6,500 people in 65 rural Chinese counties, comparing the prevalence of disease characteristics, excluding causes of death such as accidents.[4]3 -
Jacsprat: Have you followed "The Engine 2" page on FaceBoook? Lots of good ideas there (Rip Esselstyn, vegan tri athlete and fireman.) Son of the author. Susan Voisin (fatfreevegan.com) has delicious recipes that we use often.2
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Jacsprat2014 wrote: »Frim Wikipedia. Campbell was one of the directors.
The book is loosely based on the China–Cornell–Oxford Project, a 20-year study—described by The New York Times as "the Grand Prix of epidemiology"—conducted by the Chinese Academy of Preventive Medicine, Cornell University, and the University of Oxford. T. Colin Campbell was one of the study's directors.[8] It looked at mortality rates from cancer and other chronic diseases from 1973–75 in 65 counties in China; the data was correlated with 1983–84 dietary surveys and blood work from 100 people in each county.
Wikipedia is far from a reliable source but I notice you cut out that bit that supports your belief.
Just under that cut out is some of the sources debunking it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study3 -
https://deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
It took a month to pull together all the sources in the China study book.
Denise Minger does a fantastic job of looking at the data without bias.3 -
Jacsprat2014 wrote: »Forks over knives means food (forks) or correct nutrition over surgery (knives). Not salad fork against steak knife as you might expect !
If you watch Forks over knives film on Netflix and then What the Health documentary it is clear. They are not funny so not mockumentary. They have literally tons of clinical evidence that shows that correct (whole food plant based) nutrition can keep you healthy and ward off and reverse cancer diabetes arthritis autoimmune diseases.etc.and extend your life an average of 9 years.
Also read The China Study's (listening currently on audible app)
This means no oil sugars or salt (except in original plant form) and very little processed foods so Flora spread for example or vegan butter, cheeses etc are not recommended.
This is contraversial because it attacks the dairy industry and the US and UK gmt prefer we don't know the truth about this so people are always trying to throw it into disrepute.
Have a look for yourself and make your own mind up.
This makes me sooooo ANGRY. So, what you are saying is that there is actual clinical, peer reviewed evidence that eating only plants in the correct combination can reverse CANCER? I am pretty sure that if it was as simple as that the whole world would know about it by now and my lovely friend wouldn't have had to die in agony just last week! Please provide a link to the "TONS" of evidence so we can all spread the word...3 -
Jacsprat2014 wrote: »Forks over knives means food (forks) or correct nutrition over surgery (knives). Not salad fork against steak knife as you might expect !
If you watch Forks over knives film on Netflix and then What the Health documentary it is clear. They are not funny so not mockumentary. They have literally tons of clinical evidence that shows that correct (whole food plant based) nutrition can keep you healthy and ward off and reverse cancer diabetes arthritis autoimmune diseases.etc.and extend your life an average of 9 years.
Also read The China Study's (listening currently on audible app)
This means no oil sugars or salt (except in original plant form) and very little processed fo
This makes me sooooo ANGRY. So, what you are saying is that there is actual clinical, peer reviewed evidence that eating only plants in the correct combination can reverse CANCER? I am pretty sure that if it was as simple as that the whole world would know about it by now and my lovely friend wouldn't have had to die in agony just last week! Please provide a link to the "TONS" of evidence so we can all spread the word...Jacsprat2014 wrote: »Forks over knives means food (forks) or correct nutrition over surgery (knives). Not salad fork against steak knife as you might expect !
If you watch Forks over knives film on Netflix and then What the Health documentary it is clear. They are not funny so not mockumentary. They have literally tons of clinical evidence that shows that correct (whole food plant based) nutrition can keep you healthy and ward off and reverse cancer diabetes arthritis autoimmune diseases.etc.and extend your life an average of 9 years.
Also read The China Study's (listening currently on audible app)
This means no oil sugars or salt (except in original plant form) and very little processed foods so Flora spread for example or vegan butter, cheeses etc are not recommended.
This is contraversial because it attacks the dairy industry and the US and UK gmt prefer we don't know the truth about this so people are always trying to throw it into disrepute.
Have a look for yourself and make your own mind up.
This makes me sooooo ANGRY. So, what you are saying is that there is actual clinical, peer reviewed evidence that eating only plants in the correct combination can reverse CANCER? I am pretty sure that if it was as simple as that the whole world would know about it by now and my lovely friend wouldn't have had to die in agony just last week! Please provide a link to the "TONS" of evidence so we can all spread the word...
I'm so sorry you lost your friend.0 -
SLLeak: No, you mis-quote the copy paste. No one says plants are the "only" diet that can reverse cancer. And it's actually heart disease, not cancer ("Reverse and Prevent Heart Disease" by Caldwell Esselstyn). A plant based diet is correlated with a lower incidence of certain cancers. But do what you want. I have many cross-fitter, paleo, supplement taking friends that don't eat plants.2
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fullylugged wrote: »SLLeak: No, you mis-quote the copy paste. No one says plants are the "only" diet that can reverse cancer. And it's actually heart disease, not cancer ("Reverse and Prevent Heart Disease" by Caldwell Esselstyn). A plant based diet is correlated with a lower incidence of certain cancers. But do what you want. I have many cross-fitter, paleo, supplement taking friends that don't eat plants.
No-one is against plant based diets here, we are against the *kitten* that it can reverse cancer etc or that it is any better for you than a balanced diet that includes animal sources.
A plant based diet can be healthy or unhealthy as can an animal products based diet.3 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Jacsprat2014 wrote: »Forks over knives means food (forks) or correct nutrition over surgery (knives). Not salad fork against steak knife as you might expect !
If you watch Forks over knives film on Netflix and then What the Health documentary it is clear. They are not funny so not mockumentary. They have literally tons of clinical evidence that shows that correct (whole food plant based) nutrition can keep you healthy and ward off and reverse cancer diabetes arthritis autoimmune diseases.etc.and extend your life an average of 9 years.
Also read The China Study's (listening currently on audible app)
This means no oil sugars or salt (except in original plant form) and very little processed fo
This makes me sooooo ANGRY. So, what you are saying is that there is actual clinical, peer reviewed evidence that eating only plants in the correct combination can reverse CANCER? I am pretty sure that if it was as simple as that the whole world would know about it by now and my lovely friend wouldn't have had to die in agony just last week! Please provide a link to the "TONS" of evidence so we can all spread the word...Jacsprat2014 wrote: »Forks over knives means food (forks) or correct nutrition over surgery (knives). Not salad fork against steak knife as you might expect !
If you watch Forks over knives film on Netflix and then What the Health documentary it is clear. They are not funny so not mockumentary. They have literally tons of clinical evidence that shows that correct (whole food plant based) nutrition can keep you healthy and ward off and reverse cancer diabetes arthritis autoimmune diseases.etc.and extend your life an average of 9 years.
Also read The China Study's (listening currently on audible app)
This means no oil sugars or salt (except in original plant form) and very little processed foods so Flora spread for example or vegan butter, cheeses etc are not recommended.
This is contraversial because it attacks the dairy industry and the US and UK gmt prefer we don't know the truth about this so people are always trying to throw it into disrepute.
Have a look for yourself and make your own mind up.
This makes me sooooo ANGRY. So, what you are saying is that there is actual clinical, peer reviewed evidence that eating only plants in the correct combination can reverse CANCER? I am pretty sure that if it was as simple as that the whole world would know about it by now and my lovely friend wouldn't have had to die in agony just last week! Please provide a link to the "TONS" of evidence so we can all spread the word...
I'm so sorry you lost your friend.
Thank you, she was one of the best!1 -
fullylugged wrote: »SLLeak: No, you mis-quote the copy paste. No one says plants are the "only" diet that can reverse cancer. And it's actually heart disease, not cancer ("Reverse and Prevent Heart Disease" by Caldwell Esselstyn). A plant based diet is correlated with a lower incidence of certain cancers. But do what you want. I have many cross-fitter, paleo, supplement taking friends that don't eat plants.
I didn't misquote anything, and you are the one that has totally misunderstood what I was saying. I didn't say that she said that plants are the "only diet". I said "eating only"... you misread what I wrote. The poster said, and I quote: They have literally tons of clinical evidence that shows that correct (whole food plant based) nutrition can keep you healthy and ward off and reverse cancer diabetes arthritis autoimmune diseases.etc.and extend your life an average of 9 years.
No food, in any combination, plant or animal based "reverses" cancer. I have nothing against plant-based diets, I have vegetarian friends, some of whom are healthy some of whom are obese. What I do have something against is when someone says eating something (anything) can "reverse" cancer. If that was true, we'd all know about it.3
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