Help! Persistent oily, greasy, waxy feel in mouth!

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  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,579 Member
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    Maybe the sirloins were mixed with liver. What you describe is the feeling in my mouth eating liver. Blech.

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  • Mezzie1024
    Mezzie1024 Posts: 380 Member
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    You can develop an allergy to anything at any time -- even something you've been using for 15 years. Thank goodness it's not an anaphylaxis reaction!

    I hope you figure out the cause soon.
  • lgill1127
    lgill1127 Posts: 47 Member
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    TenaciousGymKitten wrote: »
    Those symptoms can be caused by an iron and/or vitamin deficiency.

    I have a similar sensation (waxy mouth) after eating high-iron foods, especially raw spinach.
  • jshabatu
    jshabatu Posts: 24 Member
    edited August 2017
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    Wow! Thanks everyone for chiming in!

    Yesterday afternoon it shifted a bit for the better. Yesterday (Wednesday) I got in my car to drive someplace around noon, and I was like "Hey, my mouth doesn't feel as slimy." This is the first shift towards normalcy in 5 days. When I awoke this morning it was about this same level of "less."

    Here are my responses to your helpful posts:
    • Q: Did you eat (greasy, fried, liver, spinach, etc.) because I have had that happen to me...
    • A: Yes, I have had a waxy feeling after eating homemade ice cream, but this is different because it is PERSISTENT. It never goes away. The front of my tongue and roof of my mouth feel like they are covered in wax. In glycerin. Day and night. Day after day. It gets worse when I eat or drink nearly anything, but some foods make it way worse. And that's why I made the food list above (and new one below).
    • Q: Did you change supplements/anything in your diet?
    • A: That is what I am racking my brain on! The only major change was not eating any meat for 27 years, but that change started months ago. I first noticed the reaction when I ate sirloin, and this was my 4th time eating beef. I have stopped all of my other supplements until this gets solved.
    • Q: Could it be nerve damage?
    • A: Thanks! I had that thought because of the dental work I had done, so last night I carefully took a tiny pick and gently touched all over my mouth in the most affected areas, and I have no loss of sensation. Also, the dentists are completely stumped... so if it was a reaction I think someone else would have had a similar reaction?
    • Q: What about anemia (iron deficiency)?
    • A: I cook exclusively in cast iron and eat a ton of soy, greens, whole wheat, raisins, seeds, nuts, and eggs. It also seems odd that this would fluctuate dramatically with different foods if it was a deficiency... but I can't rule this out without blood work. I will certainly evaluate this if it is not way better soon.
    • Q: Could it be soap?
    • A: Nope. it has a soap "feel" as I am struggling to describe the sensation. But no taste. Fatty would be the best description, but you can't brush it away... It never stops.
    • Q: Could it be low carbs?
    • A: Nope. I eat a ton of carbs. Never been on a low carb diet. I am an athlete (road bike) and need to eat lots of calories and carbs.
    • Q: Maybe a new food allergy?
    • A: Jury still out... I don't have a rash, itch, sneeze or restriction in breathing. Mainly I am skeptical that this it is an allergy because you can't "google" anyone having this response (unless they are on a medication or have GER). So this alone gives me hope that it is not an allergic reaction. That and the sensation never abates. It is always there. It simply gets worse when I eat almost anything--but it has never gone away in 5-days. I am also taking 3x daily Benadryl antihistamine, and it has no impact. If it was a histamine response, you would think this would shift it?

    Here is a list of foods I ate yesterday and the response (additional fatty-waxy feel):
    1. Tahini - huge
    2. Tomato paste - huge
    3. Balsamic vinegar - large
    4. Cherry tomatoes - large
    5. Fresh spinach salad - low
    6. Fried breaded shitake mushrooms- low
    7. Risotto - low
    8. Red wine - low
    9. Pita bread - low
    10. non-fat milk - none
    11. Scope mouthwash - none

    Thanks so much Myfitnesspal community! I feel like I am not walking alone!!!
  • melbmeg
    melbmeg Posts: 32 Member
    edited August 2017
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    You haven't eaten with pine nuts in it have you? I once got pine mouth from that and it was horrible. Wasn't a waxy feel though - just a bitter taste.

    Hope it goes soon!
  • hello8642
    hello8642 Posts: 19 Member
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    savithny wrote: »
    Have you eaten pine nuts recently? There's a wierd condition where some crops of pine nuts cause wierd taste/mouthfeel after eating....

    I was just going to say that! It happened to us once- it turned out to be imported ones from china. It lasted about ten days and was truly dreadful. Can't bear to have them any more - even make our own pesto now, sans pine nuts!
  • jshabatu
    jshabatu Posts: 24 Member
    edited August 2017
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    Thanks everyone! This is now day 8. No change since Thursday. Still same intensity of "waxy" feel. No change in saliva output. Mouth feels totally normal, just roof of mouth feels like it's covered in wax. But only when I touch it with my tongue. If I touch my pallet with my finger it feels normal... so maybe it's my tongue?

    Feeling great otherwise. I am scheduled to go back to the dentist Tuesday and I guess I will get a referral to an "Ear, nose, throat"specialist at that time. I will ask about allergy, but golly, it is honestly totally persesitant and and only gets worse when I eat nearly anything.

    I am starting to get used to it though! ;P

    1. Nope, I have eaten no pine nuts. Good thought! Weird your "odd taste" lasted a week?!
    This has very little taste associated with it.
    2. Will visit GP next week too.
    3. On my cycle now, so not pregnant

    I did find a few more ppl out there on forums reporting "plastic, waxy, slick" mouth feel...but all of the threads die out after one post. So I am hopeful it will go away soon. I am dedicating to keeping this thread alive until I get some resolution. I want to help the next person! It is freaky to have something so substantial happening to my body that no one else has reported as a symptom.

    I'm a total footy, so this condition is a game changer for me. Trying not to feel depressed.

    Thanks again for your support!
    J
  • cerise_noir
    cerise_noir Posts: 5,468 Member
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    jshabatu wrote: »
    Thanks everyone! This is now day 8. No change since Thursday. Still same intensity of "waxy" feel. No change in saliva output. Mouth feels totally normal, just roof of mouth feels like it's covered in wax. But only when I touch it with my tongue. If I touch my pallet with my finger it feels normal... so maybe it's my tongue?

    Feeling great otherwise. I am scheduled to go back to the dentist Tuesday and I guess I will get a referral to an "Ear, nose, throat"specialist at that time. I will ask about allergy, but golly, it is honestly totally persesitant and and only gets worse when I eat nearly anything.

    I am starting to get used to it though! ;P

    1. Nope, I have eaten no pine nuts. Good thought! Weird your "odd taste" lasted a week?!
    This has very little taste associated with it.
    2. Will visit GP next week too.
    3. On my cycle now, so not pregnant

    I did find a few more ppl out there on forums reporting "plastic, waxy, slick" mouth feel...but all of the threads die out after one post. So I am hopeful it will go away soon. I am dedicating to keeping this thread alive until I get some resolution. I want to help the next person! It is freaky to have something so substantial happening to my body that no one else has reported as a symptom.

    I'm a total footy, so this condition is a game changer for me. Trying not to feel depressed.

    Thanks again for your support!
    J
    Perhaps the tip of your tongue got burnt from hot/spicy/acidic food?
  • scarlett_k
    scarlett_k Posts: 812 Member
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    It sounds like your mouth is burned or perhaps you have oral thrush - that can make things taste bitter and metallic and feel kinda weird.

    There's no way to truly assert whether the meat you ate has actually caused this as it could be from something else or multiple factors, so I wouldn't be so quick to blame it.
  • jshabatu
    jshabatu Posts: 24 Member
    edited August 2017
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    scarlett_k wrote: »
    It sounds like your mouth is burned or perhaps you have oral thrush - that can make things taste bitter and metallic and feel kinda weird.

    There's no way to truly assert whether the meat you ate has actually caused this as it could be from something else or multiple factors, so I wouldn't be so quick to blame it.

    Well, I burn my mouth a bunch, and this is way, way different feeling ;) I am the person that attacks the hot pizza right out of the oven and cauterizes my mouth to the point of peeling skin... and it never takes more than a day or two to heal. This is peculiar in that the waxy feeling never goes away, but it changes in intensity when I eat different foods. Here at day-11, there is really not much improvement--no healing if it was a burn or acute injury.

    I had more beef this weekend, and it was just the same baseline "waxy, greasy, I am eating something" feel.

    As to thrush or something else infecting my mouth, I have no discoloration or itch. I did feel like my tongue was swollen yesterday, but this morning (Monday) it was fine. My throat is not sore. Mouth is not sore. I am back to the dentist again tomorrow (he wanted to see me in a week) but I have no idea what he can do. There seems to be no change :(

    It's the "No one else on the internet has ever reported this symptom" that truly has me scared. I can only find a few other similar posts and they all die out after 1-3 threads, with no resolution.

    Thanks again for your reply! It has to get better, or we have to find a solution, right?
    J
  • slinke2014
    slinke2014 Posts: 149 Member
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    tabletop_joe wrote: »
    Do you drink enough water? It might be dehydration.

    that was my thought. If I haven't had enough water my mouth gets all pasty feeling and tastes weird.
  • jgnatca
    jgnatca Posts: 14,464 Member
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    I am thinking loss of sensation in the tongue, which could be in the nerves or any way along the pathway. Stroke?
  • mitch16
    mitch16 Posts: 2,113 Member
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    I read "sirloin" and "allergy" in the previous posts and this is what popped into my mind:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4600073/
  • Biker_SuzCO
    Biker_SuzCO Posts: 54 Member
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    I listened to a podcast recently about a person developing a meat allergy suddenly and it being caused by a tick bite. Have you eaten red meat again since the initial reaction?
  • Old_Cat_Lady
    Old_Cat_Lady Posts: 1,193 Member
    edited August 2017
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    I saw that you take supplements. I found one supplement that can cause teeth to feel "smooth and silky". Maybe that's the waxy feel? Vitamin K2. Possible answer? http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/has-vitamin-k-2-mk-4-or-mk7-helped-you.15605/page-2 You should list in detail what supplements you take.
  • Machka9
    Machka9 Posts: 24,944 Member
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    "jshabatu wrote: »
    I am back to the dentist again tomorrow (he wanted to see me in a week) but I have no idea what he can do. There seems to be no change :(

    Have you gone to the Dr to get a complete physical with full bloodwork yet?

    Have you got that referral to an allergy specialist yet? And made the appointment?

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 9,442 Member
    edited August 2017
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    melbmeg wrote: »
    You haven't eaten with pine nuts in it have you? I once got pine mouth from that and it was horrible. Wasn't a waxy feel though - just a bitter taste.

    Hope it goes soon!

    That reminds me: I'm slightly allergic to certain foods that have a slightly bitter taste. They include fresh tomatoes, walnuts, bananas that are not yellowish brown yet, sometimes pineapple or avocado, peeling potatoes and a few other things. The same thing happens with some soft rubber and latex, especially (don't ask) window seals in cars and a few other rubbers with a strong smell. It's a common cross allergy, and the allergens in those are very similar. I don't get a waxy feel as such but a somewhat fluffy feel. Ugh.. how do you describe fluffy? Might be as imprecise as waxy :D Yes, it tastes bitter, and fluffy and might last up to two hours. Sometimes I get the mouth fluffiness even if I just touch rubber and can smell it.

    It might very well be a similar food allergy. Why not try the 'raw' ingredients instead of readymade meals and figure out which ones of those cause the reaction. the reaction to pizza might very well be related to the reactions you get from tomatoes or tomato paste.
  • jshabatu
    jshabatu Posts: 24 Member
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    Wow! Thanks, everyone again. You give me lots to think about which is very helpful when I feel like I am running out of ends to chase down. Here are my answers.

    Q: Dehydration?
    A: I am drinking +2L of filtered water per day. Over the weekend I really pushed it up to 4L to see if it would make a difference, and there was no change in the waxy feel.

    Q: Have you eaten more red meat?
    A: Yes. This weekend I had a large burger and the feel was about the same as when I eat anything.

    Q: List of supplements?
    A: I thought it could be a reaction too, so went off all of my supplements the day after this started, so I have not taken anything supplemental for 10 days now. I have gotten that slick tooth feel before (drinking cola does it with the acid) but this is my whole pallet.

    Q: Tick bite?
    A: Ha! Yes, I listened to that podcast too. It was good to hear what "meat allergy symptoms" were, and I don't have any of those.

    Q: Loss of sensation in tongue?
    A: Nope, as stated before I pricked my tongue gently all over and I can feel the slightest pressure. Also, if I lick other things (we are searching for answers here, right?) glass, plastic, paper---they all feel and "taste" normal.

    Q: Doctor and allergest?
    A: No, back to the dentist over lunch and we will see what he has to say. I don't have a lot of money to toss at this, but I do need to find some answers.

    Q: Foods with a bitter taste and rubber with a strong odor?
    A: WOW! That sounds terrible. What a large list of foods. I will pay attention to "fluffy," but this is certainly waxy, slick, slimy.

    Thanks again for your support and curiosity. I will keep you posted!

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