Help! Persistent oily, greasy, waxy feel in mouth!
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It sounds like your mouth is burned or perhaps you have oral thrush - that can make things taste bitter and metallic and feel kinda weird.
There's no way to truly assert whether the meat you ate has actually caused this as it could be from something else or multiple factors, so I wouldn't be so quick to blame it.1 -
scarlett_k wrote: »It sounds like your mouth is burned or perhaps you have oral thrush - that can make things taste bitter and metallic and feel kinda weird.
There's no way to truly assert whether the meat you ate has actually caused this as it could be from something else or multiple factors, so I wouldn't be so quick to blame it.
Well, I burn my mouth a bunch, and this is way, way different feeling
I am the person that attacks the hot pizza right out of the oven and cauterizes my mouth to the point of peeling skin... and it never takes more than a day or two to heal. This is peculiar in that the waxy feeling never goes away, but it changes in intensity when I eat different foods. Here at day-11, there is really not much improvement--no healing if it was a burn or acute injury.
I had more beef this weekend, and it was just the same baseline "waxy, greasy, I am eating something" feel.
As to thrush or something else infecting my mouth, I have no discoloration or itch. I did feel like my tongue was swollen yesterday, but this morning (Monday) it was fine. My throat is not sore. Mouth is not sore. I am back to the dentist again tomorrow (he wanted to see me in a week) but I have no idea what he can do. There seems to be no change
It's the "No one else on the internet has ever reported this symptom" that truly has me scared. I can only find a few other similar posts and they all die out after 1-3 threads, with no resolution.
Thanks again for your reply! It has to get better, or we have to find a solution, right?
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tabletop_joe wrote: »Do you drink enough water? It might be dehydration.
that was my thought. If I haven't had enough water my mouth gets all pasty feeling and tastes weird.0 -
I am thinking loss of sensation in the tongue, which could be in the nerves or any way along the pathway. Stroke?1
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I read "sirloin" and "allergy" in the previous posts and this is what popped into my mind:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4600073/
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I listened to a podcast recently about a person developing a meat allergy suddenly and it being caused by a tick bite. Have you eaten red meat again since the initial reaction?2
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I saw that you take supplements. I found one supplement that can cause teeth to feel "smooth and silky". Maybe that's the waxy feel? Vitamin K2. Possible answer? http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/has-vitamin-k-2-mk-4-or-mk7-helped-you.15605/page-2 You should list in detail what supplements you take.1
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I am back to the dentist again tomorrow (he wanted to see me in a week) but I have no idea what he can do. There seems to be no change
Have you gone to the Dr to get a complete physical with full bloodwork yet?
Have you got that referral to an allergy specialist yet? And made the appointment?
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You haven't eaten with pine nuts in it have you? I once got pine mouth from that and it was horrible. Wasn't a waxy feel though - just a bitter taste.
Hope it goes soon!
That reminds me: I'm slightly allergic to certain foods that have a slightly bitter taste. They include fresh tomatoes, walnuts, bananas that are not yellowish brown yet, sometimes pineapple or avocado, peeling potatoes and a few other things. The same thing happens with some soft rubber and latex, especially (don't ask) window seals in cars and a few other rubbers with a strong smell. It's a common cross allergy, and the allergens in those are very similar. I don't get a waxy feel as such but a somewhat fluffy feel. Ugh.. how do you describe fluffy? Might be as imprecise as waxy
Yes, it tastes bitter, and fluffy and might last up to two hours. Sometimes I get the mouth fluffiness even if I just touch rubber and can smell it.
It might very well be a similar food allergy. Why not try the 'raw' ingredients instead of readymade meals and figure out which ones of those cause the reaction. the reaction to pizza might very well be related to the reactions you get from tomatoes or tomato paste.1 -
Wow! Thanks, everyone again. You give me lots to think about which is very helpful when I feel like I am running out of ends to chase down. Here are my answers.
Q: Dehydration?
A: I am drinking +2L of filtered water per day. Over the weekend I really pushed it up to 4L to see if it would make a difference, and there was no change in the waxy feel.
Q: Have you eaten more red meat?
A: Yes. This weekend I had a large burger and the feel was about the same as when I eat anything.
Q: List of supplements?
A: I thought it could be a reaction too, so went off all of my supplements the day after this started, so I have not taken anything supplemental for 10 days now. I have gotten that slick tooth feel before (drinking cola does it with the acid) but this is my whole pallet.
Q: Tick bite?
A: Ha! Yes, I listened to that podcast too. It was good to hear what "meat allergy symptoms" were, and I don't have any of those.
Q: Loss of sensation in tongue?
A: Nope, as stated before I pricked my tongue gently all over and I can feel the slightest pressure. Also, if I lick other things (we are searching for answers here, right?) glass, plastic, paper---they all feel and "taste" normal.
Q: Doctor and allergest?
A: No, back to the dentist over lunch and we will see what he has to say. I don't have a lot of money to toss at this, but I do need to find some answers.
Q: Foods with a bitter taste and rubber with a strong odor?
A: WOW! That sounds terrible. What a large list of foods. I will pay attention to "fluffy," but this is certainly waxy, slick, slimy.
Thanks again for your support and curiosity. I will keep you posted!1 -
A few thoughts.
Everyone but the doctor. So it might be time.....
Regarding allergic symptoms not matching. It is possible to have the same allergy with different symptoms. One person might feel fluffy, another itchy, another swelling. Same allergy different symptoms. When I started to get tingly lips I swore off almonds.
That red meat allergy theory seems plausible to me, especially since you are so active. If I were you I'd get off the red meat for a good couple weeks to see if it makes a difference. Remember with allergy there can be delayed response and it lingers.5 -
Anyone else just check in here every today to see what the latest and greatest is on @jshabatu ? It's like watching a mysterious drama unfold.13
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fitoverfortymom wrote: »Anyone else just check in here every today to see what the latest and greatest is on @jshabatu ? It's like watching a mysterious drama unfold.
Haha, absolutely!1 -
AFAIK it's a side effect of certain antibiotics. You mentioned you had a course of antibiotics? Would be helpful to know what antibiotics. Macrolides can cause the symptoms you describe, however they are not commonly prescribed for garden variety UTIs, only tissue specific.4
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Hey crew! I got to feeling so down about this the past few days I couldn't even post.
However, I am glad to report that it does feel like it is getting better. The "waxy sensation" has been plateaued for about a week, but today is better! Today marks the 2-week anniversary of the cavities being filled. I awoke today the same way I always do "Is it still there?... yes, but it is less than yesterday--I'd say 80% "wax slime slick" intensity of the original sensation I had last week.
Here is the UPDATE:
I went back to the same dentist Tuesday and he referred me to an Oral Surgeon who specializes in pathology. They could get me in in just two days! Hoorah! I had that visit with the surgeon (today being Thursday) this afternoon, and he was very polite and curious, he listened to my whooooole crazy story--and of course had never heard of anyone even remotely experiencing this symptom. Sigh.
However he does have a theory: He feels that the correlation of the dental work and the "waxy" onset is just too close to be coincidental (so now maybe I feel less like it could be a brain tumor!). He says his best guess would be that I received some sort of nerve damage from the anesthetic they injected. He had his nurse call the dentist office and when he found out it was "4% Lidocaine," he felt like that supported his theory. He said "the damage could be physical like they bumped it, or a more like a chemical burn, that is a physiological response--but not an allergic response. More like a burn from a hot stove or if you held your hand in bleach. " He said there is no reason for me to avoid Lidocaine (Ha! You can bet I am going to keep FAAAAR away).
When I asked him why no one on the face of the green earth had every reported something similar on the "interweb"---he said "You may be more articulate at describing the sensation. Maybe most would describe it as odd." Which I really don't buy at all.
I like thinking at least that it may have been caused by the dentist. It is certainly getting better and not worse! I do feel better about it, but it is certainly unnerving (pun!) to have something this unusual happening. The internet is a great place to get freaked out about symptoms, but who would have thought you could come up with something unique! Wow! (and yikes)
Thanks as always for your participation in my drama. This walk would have been way more frightening without someplace to chat about it!
NOTE: On antibiotics for the UTI, yes, that was horrible. It started in January. They did amoxicillin first then when that didn't work Nitrofurantoin then when that didn't work they did a course of Cipro, then when that didn't work they said they had to put me back on the Nitrofurantoin for 3 months! About 1 month into that course I was losing my mind. Super brain fog, anxiety, racy feeling (like over caffeinated) so called back and said I wanted a referral to a urinary specialist. That fellow took one look at me and sent me to the health food store for some D-Mannose powder (a natural non-glycemic sugar for treating UTI) and in three days it was nearly gone. That all started in January and ended about 2 months ago.
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That IS interesting! Thanks for the update. I've never had this problem with anesthetics, but had a few instances where my mouth stayed numb for a few more hours than it should have. Oddly, I'd describe this feeling as fluffy (like the food I'm allergic against). I guess we all have our own ways to describe things we don't understand.
If the injection did damage a nerve then it will heal in due time. It might take a few days but you'll get there.
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This whole thread fascinates me! I hope you heal up soon!1
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Ummm, are you pregnant? I've had a nasty taste in my mouth for a few months, and found it was not uncommon in pregnant women . Its called dysgeusia.1
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Glad to hear you've sensed some improvement. Keep us updated!0
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That IS interesting! Thanks for the update. I've never had this problem with anesthetics, but had a few instances where my mouth stayed numb for a few more hours than it should have. Oddly, I'd describe this feeling as fluffy (like the food I'm allergic against). I guess we all have our own ways to describe things we don't understand.
If the injection did damage a nerve then it will heal in due time. It might take a few days but you'll get there.
I agree that the nerve damage is an interesting take... I've not experienced that in my mouth, but after knee surgery last year I had a similar issue all down my shin below the surgery site, so much so that I mentioned it to my surgeon with concern. Thinking back--and of course, not my mouth--but the feeling could be described as either fluffy or waxy, depending on the interpretation. I'm happy to say that the human body is a pretty wondrous thing--the sensation is back to normal through the healing process!4 -
That IS interesting! Thanks for the update. I've never had this problem with anesthetics, but had a few instances where my mouth stayed numb for a few more hours than it should have. Oddly, I'd describe this feeling as fluffy (like the food I'm allergic against). I guess we all have our own ways to describe things we don't understand.
If the injection did damage a nerve then it will heal in due time. It might take a few days but you'll get there.
I agree that the nerve damage is an interesting take... I've not experienced that in my mouth, but after knee surgery last year I had a similar issue all down my shin below the surgery site, so much so that I mentioned it to my surgeon with concern. Thinking back--and of course, not my mouth--but the feeling could be described as either fluffy or waxy, depending on the interpretation. I'm happy to say that the human body is a pretty wondrous thing--the sensation is back to normal through the healing process!
Good to hear!
I have a lot of experience with damanged nerves unfortunately, but even thoroughly damaged ones regenerate! Those damaged from a tiny injection should not be a problem.
My experiences: cut down to the bone while opening a tin of tuna *winzes thinking of it!* Took about three years until the numb spot on my finger vanished. Wisdomtooth removal, ended up with most of my upper right jaw and tong numb. Tongue was completely fine again after a few days, a small spot around one tooth remained numb for 3 years. B12 deficiency induced nerve damage. Healing took about one year after treatment started properly. But those were big things. Like I said, yours will heal much, much quicker if this is really what happened.1 -
cerise_noir wrote: »
Perhaps the tip of your tongue got burnt from hot/spicy/acidic food?Thanks everyone! This is now day 8. No change since Thursday. Still same intensity of "waxy" feel. No change in saliva output. Mouth feels totally normal, just roof of mouth feels like it's covered in wax. But only when I touch it with my tongue. If I touch my pallet with my finger it feels normal... so maybe it's my tongue?
Feeling great otherwise. I am scheduled to go back to the dentist Tuesday and I guess I will get a referral to an "Ear, nose, throat"specialist at that time. I will ask about allergy, but golly, it is honestly totally persesitant and and only gets worse when I eat nearly anything.
I am starting to get used to it though! ;P
1. Nope, I have eaten no pine nuts. Good thought! Weird your "odd taste" lasted a week?!
This has very little taste associated with it.
2. Will visit GP next week too.
3. On my cycle now, so not pregnant
I did find a few more ppl out there on forums reporting "plastic, waxy, slick" mouth feel...but all of the threads die out after one post. So I am hopeful it will go away soon. I am dedicating to keeping this thread alive until I get some resolution. I want to help the next person! It is freaky to have something so substantial happening to my body that no one else has reported as a symptom.
I'm a total footy, so this condition is a game changer for me. Trying not to feel depressed.
Thanks again for your support!
J
Thanks, but I don't think this is related to a temperature burn or spices. I eat lots of super spicy Thai food and also burn my mouth all the time on hot foods to the point of peeling--but I have never had this type of reaction--let alone a condition that would last for 3 weeks.1 -
Potentially this will be my last update to this thread because my symptoms are almost gone. At least they are subtle enough that I can ignore them
Each day over this weekend my mouth felt less and less waxy. I can live with this remaining feeling, even if it never gets better from here, but I am hopeful if the healing-curve continues I will have a full recovery. For anyone reading this post in the future, here are my takeaways:- My symptoms were a chronic and persistent symptomology that lasted nearly 3-weeks
- The major symptom was a slick, waxy, fatty coating in my mouth that never went away morning or night. It would intensify when I consumed certain foods, but it never subsided.
- Onset was sudden about 30hrs after oral surgery (2 minor cavities composite filled on the left side top and bottom) with lidocaine. I have never had cavities filled, and these were my first lidocaine shots ever.
- There was no alteration to the taste of the food, and I had no other discomfort or sensation in my mouth. If you would like to replicate the sensation of what I felt, find some completely flavorless liquid dish soap and pour a good tablespoon in your mouth.
- There was no change in my saliva output or viscosity, according to several dental specialists, and my mouth was not dry.
- I don't have GER and have never had digestive or hormonal issues.
- I have no allergies. Benadryl had no impact whatsoever, so it is doubtful this was a histamine response
- I eat super spicy and high-temperature food all the time--never had this symptom. I also had no burns at the time.
- I added no new foods, supplements, home care products, soaps, dishes, personal care, hormones or lifestyle changes within 6-weeks prior to the onset of this condition. Trust me, I scrutinized EVERYTHING
- A few months ago I began eating beef after 27-years as a vegetarian. After eating beef several times the past few weeks with no change in my symptoms, I don't believe now there was a correlation with the beef.
- During the first 8-days there was no change--the sensation was persistent and made eating and drinking extremely unpleasant
- The next week the symptoms seemed to lessen, but almost to a plateau. It felt about 40% better but stayed at this baseline intensity--increasing only when I would consume certain foods (see other posts for food lists).
- After 15 days the symptoms are now nearly nonexistent, but there is a slightly slick-fatty feeling on the roof of my pallet, like the fatty feel you get after eating homemade full-cream icecream
- The oral pathologist feels like it was a reaction to the lidocaine, like a chemical burn to some nerves, and said it may take 3-months but I should fully recover.
So I am feeling way better, but it still an unsolved mystery!
Please, if you are reading this post and you are experiencing these symptoms, please reply to this post here and PM me about your situation. I want to collect as much data as I can to avoid ever having to experience this in the future!
A deep and sincere thanks to everyone in the MFP Community who wrote in to support me during this time. This was terribly scary and it was so helpful to have all of your support, curiosity, encouragement, and guidance!
Warmest regards,
J23 -
Honestly it just sounds like you had an infection. Glad to hear it feels better.4
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It sounds very well like the oral surgery damaged a nerve and it's slowly healing.
Good luck!4 -
In an effort to keep this thread up to date for others in the future looking for help:
I am sorry to report that the symptoms are getting worse again. For the previous week, the symptoms nearly disappeared. But over the past three days, the sensation of a waxy-fatty feeling in my mouth when I eat has intensified by about 20%, each day a bit stronger than the last. It is still livable, but I was hopeful it would just continue to get better. Fortunately, when I am not eating it is now fairly unnoticeable.
It is still scary that it feels like it is "coming back." I will see if by the end of the week there is any change, but if it intensifies I might have to get back into research mode. The oral surgeon said it may take 3 months to fully heal, so I am hopeful I may still on a healing trajectory...
All the best, J5 -
Hi! I found your post after searching for "waxy mouth" because this AM I awoke with the same symptoms you describe. I see this happened in September. How are you now, and did you ever figure out what is happening? I did search online and found several non-answers, but there are definitely others who experience this. they, too, have no explanation.
Yesterday evening my lips seemed as if they were burned. This was after eating a cranberry sauce. I also drank hot coffee during the day. But I have eaten cranberry sauce and drank hot coffee many other times! I also am feeling a slight sore throat.
Thank you for any light you can shed on this! J0 -
@janetstaub unfortunately @jshabatu hasn't logged in to MFP since her last post on September 13 2017 so I don't think you will get a reply.
Cheers, h.0 -
middlehaitch wrote: »@janetstaub unfortunately @jshabatu hasn't logged in to MFP since her last post on September 13 2017 so I don't think you will get a reply.
Cheers, h.
@janetstaub try sending him/her a DM, they logged in their diary 4 days ago. But middlehaitch is right, they haven’t been on the forums.1 -
OMGoodness! I have been searching for a week about this and have found no information either. I too have a waxy, oily, greazy feeling on my tongue and roof of my mouth. I am 41 y.o. and had surgery 10 days ago. Abdominal hysterectomy and cystocele (bladder prolapse repair). I was in the hospital for two days to recover and have been home since discharge. I am off from work for the next four weeks. The first couple of days I had a very dry mouth and "unfamiliar" taste in my mouth. I assumed it was from being under anesthesia for 3 hours. My first full day home from surgery (3 days following surgery) my tongue became very sore and white. I called surgeon who then prescribed Diflucan for 7 days for a diagnosis of oral candidiasis (thrush). Two-three days following taking the medication the soreness was relieved. This is when the oily, waxy, greazy feeling became very noticeable. It has been 7 days now with no relief or signs of getting better! It is 5 am and I have not been able to sleep. It should be the pain from the surgery that is keeping me up but no, it is this feeling in mouth keeping me awake. I was given two different IV antibiotics immediately following the surgery (I do not know what they were but you bet I will be finding out). I have not called the MD regarding this because I assumed it was due to the medication given for thrush. So I figured I would give it a few days to get out of my system to see if this would begin to change. Two days after last Diflucan pill and no relief as of yet. This is driving me crazy! Difficult to eat. Not because it is painful but the constant waxy feel is non-changing and irritating. Also, my tongue is mostly smooth. Very few taste buds are noticed or felt. Please, original postee or anyone else with helpful information reach out to me. Please and thank you.2
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