Keto results please!!!

russelljam08 wrote: »

GlassAngyl wrote: »

russelljam08 wrote: »

rfrenkel77 wrote: »

Correct mandalynn. High fat low carb macro alters how insulin ramps up in your body. Insulin is a fat storage hormone. To continue your research look up keto talk podcast, start with episode 1, tons of audio books, I just finished The Obesity Code, dr Fung does a beautiful job laying out the body mechanics of insulin resistance and how it builds up in the body over the years, how constant snacking keeps insulin up. As I’m typing this my wife is texting me about comments she is getting at work, people notice she is loosing weight.

Then why do people get so fat on keto diets?

Overindulgence. The foundation is still cico. The walls are low carb and high fat.

But, that ill-informed poster claims "insulin" is the cause. Of course it is CICO, the human body can't create energy from nothing or make energy disappear. If "hormones" were that powerful we would be injecting insulin into our power grids.

Didn't read the poster. Looked boring. Just read your response. Less boring. Insulin resistance can cause inflammation which can add water weight but yeah, fat weight is all from over indulging..(Minus the very rare diseases..but they aren't the main topic.)

rfrenkel77 wrote: »

I like how these people pop into into keto topic and start posting the it’s “all about calories montra”, which it’s not. A body metabolizes 100 cals of sugar different then a 100 cals of fat, and has a different insulin response. That’s a fact. Why don’t you people go post in the million other topics, and let us, keto folks, answer the posters questions related to it. 1500 cals on standard American diet will leave you hungry, not so on 1500 keto diet. Give it a try for few months and see for yourself.

My experience was actually that CICO was irrelevant, at least for about the first 5 months of eating keto.

I started at 248, I had been eating the recommended American Diabetes Association diet, around 1800 to 2000 calories, logging it here on MFP. Sweet potatoes, brown rice, whole grains, everything measured and weighed on an electronic kitchen scale. Very low fat. Also 20 to 30 minutes of aerobics every day, and I wasn't losing weight. My fasting blood glucose hovered around 169 to 200 most mornings, sometimes as low as 120, but often going up to 230, 260, and the day I said, "No more," 329. I was taking metformin and had also tried Glipizide, with poor results. Also taking a statin and a bp med for kidney protection.

I found Dr. Sarah Hallberg's Ted talk and spent a weekend in early February 2017 watching her videos along with Dr. Benjamin Bikman. Started keto, calories went up to around 2,500 to 3,000 a day, stopped the aerobics, and my fasting glucose readings dropped to around 119 to 130. Weight started falling off.

By the end of a month, my glucose readings were around 100, I had lost almost 20 pounds, and my doctor cut my meds in half, simultaneously telling me I needed more carbs.

By late July, I had lost 40 pounds, my glucose readings were almost always around 74, but occasionally in the low 80s. Doctor took me off all meds, but insisted I start eating more carbs. Small serving of oatmeal. One piece of fruit per day, like that. I took her advice and added back some carbs. Also, all my other blood work had gone from well above normal to perfectly mid-range, except for HDL, which went from very low to the low end of normal.

Now, 2 months later, I've gained back 10 pounds and my glucose readings are in the 90s with no meds. Still good, but not as good as they were. I was down to 203-205, and now I'm back up to 213-215.

I'm looking for a new doctor who understands and believes in keto, and this week I'm starting back on fewer than 20 grams of carbs a day. I log my food, but don't limit calories, only limit carbs, with a moderate amount of protein. I only add enough fat to be satiated, but I'm more likely to err on the high side of fat than low. I've been told on a forum with a lot of experienced keto-ers that as I get closer to goal weight, 175 - 180, I'll have to lower calories a bit, but so far, that has not been my experience with keto. Dr. Bikman says it's because the excess weight is a response to insulin resistance, which I obviously have a great deal of. I don't know, but I do know the results were awesome.

BTW, there can be some heavy-duty side-effects. Major constipation, which requires, for me, stool softeners to prevent it. Also, electrolytes can go really low, causing extremely painful leg cramps. I literally would wake up screaming in the night and not be able to work the cramp out without getting up and dragging myself through the house in extreme pain to take magnesium and potassium, so I have to remember to take them along with lots of salt at nearly every meal.

The bummer for me is that I don't much like meat, and I do love vegetables, and even when I was eating keto but added a few servings of low-starch vegetables, like squash, collards, cauliflower, broccoli, etc., I could get thrown out of ketosis easily and it would take 24 hours to get back in.

I would be vegan if I could do it without my glucose going up, but apparently my system doesn't like carbs at all. There are vegans who eat keto, but I don't know how they do it. It didn't work for me.

There will probably be people here who accuse me of lying, but if nothing else has worked for you, watch some videos by medical doctors who advocate keto and give it a try. See what your own results are.

(I'm pretty sure this is my first and probably last post here, because I've not found a lot of support for keto here, and lots of people seem to think they can call you a liar if your remarks don't coincide with what they believe. But if that's the case for you, there are other forums with knowledgeable people where you can get support and good feedback. MFP is awesome, however, for logging your food and keeping track of macros, activity minutes, and so on.)

PhineasTLapia wrote: »

rfrenkel77 wrote: »

I like how these people pop into into keto topic and start posting the it’s “all about calories montra”, which it’s not. A body metabolizes 100 cals of sugar different then a 100 cals of fat, and has a different insulin response. That’s a fact. Why don’t you people go post in the million other topics, and let us, keto folks, answer the posters questions related to it. 1500 cals on standard American diet will leave you hungry, not so on 1500 keto diet. Give it a try for few months and see for yourself.

My experience was actually that CICO was irrelevant, at least for about the first 5 months of eating keto.

I started at 248, I had been eating the recommended American Diabetes Association diet, around 1800 to 2000 calories, logging it here on MFP. Sweet potatoes, brown rice, whole grains, everything measured and weighed on an electronic kitchen scale. Very low fat. Also 20 to 30 minutes of aerobics every day, and I wasn't losing weight. My fasting blood glucose hovered around 169 to 200 most mornings, sometimes as low as 120, but often going up to 230, 260, and the day I said, "No more," 329. I was taking metformin and had also tried Glipizide, with poor results. Also taking a statin and a bp med for kidney protection.

I found Dr. Sarah Hallberg's Ted talk and spent a weekend in early February 2017 watching her videos along with Dr. Benjamin Bikman. Started keto, calories went up to around 2,500 to 3,000 a day, stopped the aerobics, and my fasting glucose readings dropped to around 119 to 130. Weight started falling off.

By the end of a month, my glucose readings were around 100, I had lost almost 20 pounds, and my doctor cut my meds in half, simultaneously telling me I needed more carbs.

By late July, I had lost 40 pounds, my glucose readings were almost always around 74, but occasionally in the low 80s. Doctor took me off all meds, but insisted I start eating more carbs. Small serving of oatmeal. One piece of fruit per day, like that. I took her advice and added back some carbs. Also, all my other blood work had gone from well above normal to perfectly mid-range, except for HDL, which went from very low to the low end of normal.

Now, 2 months later, I've gained back 10 pounds and my glucose readings are in the 90s with no meds. Still good, but not as good as they were. I was down to 203-205, and now I'm back up to 213-215.

I'm looking for a new doctor who understands and believes in keto, and this week I'm starting back on fewer than 20 grams of carbs a day. I log my food, but don't limit calories, only limit carbs, with a moderate amount of protein. I only add enough fat to be satiated, but I'm more likely to err on the high side of fat than low. I've been told on a forum with a lot of experienced keto-ers that as I get closer to goal weight, 175 - 180, I'll have to lower calories a bit, but so far, that has not been my experience with keto. Dr. Bikman says it's because the excess weight is a response to insulin resistance, which I obviously have a great deal of. I don't know, but I do know the results were awesome.

BTW, there can be some heavy-duty side-effects. Major constipation, which requires, for me, stool softeners to prevent it. Also, electrolytes can go really low, causing extremely painful leg cramps. I literally would wake up screaming in the night and not be able to work the cramp out without getting up and dragging myself through the house in extreme pain to take magnesium and potassium, so I have to remember to take them along with lots of salt at nearly every meal.

The bummer for me is that I don't much like meat, and I do love vegetables, and even when I was eating keto but added a few servings of low-starch vegetables, like squash, collards, cauliflower, broccoli, etc., I could get thrown out of ketosis easily and it would take 24 hours to get back in.

I would be vegan if I could do it without my glucose going up, but apparently my system doesn't like carbs at all. There are vegans who eat keto, but I don't know how they do it. It didn't work for me.

There will probably be people here who accuse me of lying, but if nothing else has worked for you, watch some videos by medical doctors who advocate keto and give it a try. See what your own results are.

(I'm pretty sure this is my first and probably last post here, because I've not found a lot of support for keto here, and lots of people seem to think they can call you a liar if your remarks don't coincide with what they believe. But if that's the case for you, there are other forums with knowledgeable people where you can get support and good feedback. MFP is awesome, however, for logging your food and keeping track of macros, activity minutes, and so on.)

That's amazing that you went to eating more on keto and still losing. I still have to calorie count and I found that if I'm strict on my fats and carbs.. I can barely get about 1000calories without feeling stuffed to the gills. How the heck you ate 2500-3000 is beyond me. I could do that easily on a carb heavy diet (thus why I'm fat) but if I have a 100% keto day, I think I'd die if I forced myself to eat that much. I'm not complaining! I LOVE having to force those last few calories so I'm not toooo under the minimum for women. It's a heck of a lot better than finding the will power to STOP at just below maintenance.