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It's All Sugar's Fault
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »People are eating more processed, boxed, packaged foods, not to mention eating out more than ever. Yes, sugar and grains are super calorie dense in comparison to the nutrition they provide. Cut out sugar and grains and I wonder how hard it would be to stick to staying under your deficit (or maintenance if you are at that stage)....I know I have a really hard time eating even 1300 calories a day since I stopped eating sugar and grains.
I do not think most anyone can gain weight if one truly cuts out sugar and grains. With them I was able to be obese because of the carb cravings that I had. Now without sugar or any form of any grain I eat until I am stuffed and after three years still am losing about 1/2 pound per month on average with out counting anything calorie wise. Just last night I ate at McDonald's and for the heck of it counted up the calories in my double hamburger, salad and coffee and it came to 435 calories so I had another cup of coffee to bump the meal up to 535 calories since it was free.
Don't be so naive. I know people who are Ketogenic who have gotten fat.
I expect those people were pulling your leg. I tried really hard but had to force myself to over eat to break out to the upside. While eating less than 50 grams of carbs fixed my eating disorder I give you the possibility that it might not fix everyone. No one I expect can eat enough to become obese without some kind of health issue and or they set obesity as their health goal for some sport, etc.
First, no those people weren't pulling me leg. In fact, I modified their diet to reduce fat and increase protein/fiber consumption while still hitting ketogenic guidelines. They were consistently gaining weight at less than 50g of carb.
And if we are going to head down this path, let's be honest here, you are not even that lean. If you want to look at the lean individuals in this thread, and largely this forum, they are largely higher carb (men and women). And that is fine, but you can't suggest you have the ultimate path if you aren't as lean at the individuals who you are arguing. And maybe you don't want to be that lean, which is fine, but your being a bit obtuse with your thinking.
So you are down to name calling now based on the below from Google?
ob·tuse
əbˈt(y)o͞os,äbˈt(y)o͞os/Submit
adjective
1.
annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.
"he wondered if the doctor was being deliberately obtuse"
synonyms: stupid, slow-witted, slow, dull-witted, unintelligent, ignorant, simpleminded, witless; More
2.
(of an angle) more than 90° and less than 180°.
No, I am not trying to be insulting. That fact that you don't think we have mechanism to store fat when carbs are low, and insult my experience with working with people who have, is not only pedantic, but short sighted. Our bodies would not survive if we didn't have multiple hormones to store fats. And if you really care to figure it out, I'd suggest starting with Acylation Stimulating Protein, and Glucose-Dependent Insulinotropic Peptide. Both of which inhibit Hormone Sensitive Lipase, which is the fat burning hormone. This is similar to how insulin inhibits HSL.
I will work to resolve my complaint through the proper channels.
Being told that you're being obtuse is not an insult. As per the definition you quoted, it means slow to understand.
That in perspective, you have been slow to understand the points others have made in this thread (seemingly deliberately so). Pointing out to you that explanations and answers have already been offered to the points you continue to belabor is not an insult.
Trying to make it out that anyone has insulted you by stating that you're being obtuse in this discussion is almost as much grasping at straws as quoting a lawsuit as proof that aspartame is bad...18 -
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »People are eating more processed, boxed, packaged foods, not to mention eating out more than ever. Yes, sugar and grains are super calorie dense in comparison to the nutrition they provide. Cut out sugar and grains and I wonder how hard it would be to stick to staying under your deficit (or maintenance if you are at that stage)....I know I have a really hard time eating even 1300 calories a day since I stopped eating sugar and grains.
I do not think most anyone can gain weight if one truly cuts out sugar and grains. With them I was able to be obese because of the carb cravings that I had. Now without sugar or any form of any grain I eat until I am stuffed and after three years still am losing about 1/2 pound per month on average with out counting anything calorie wise. Just last night I ate at McDonald's and for the heck of it counted up the calories in my double hamburger, salad and coffee and it came to 435 calories so I had another cup of coffee to bump the meal up to 535 calories since it was free.
Don't be so naive. I know people who are Ketogenic who have gotten fat.
I expect those people were pulling your leg. I tried really hard but had to force myself to over eat to break out to the upside. While eating less than 50 grams of carbs fixed my eating disorder I give you the possibility that it might not fix everyone. No one I expect can eat enough to become obese without some kind of health issue and or they set obesity as their health goal for some sport, etc.
No true Scotsman.8 -
I think a little column A a little column B. I think we probably eat the same volume of food our ancestors did, but we eat foods that are more calorie dense. I also think that sugar has rather unique effects on our brain chemistry that hurt our ability to control our appetites... (I say as I chow down on a p-nutty bar...)5
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Our ancestors moved a lot more than we did. It took a lot more energy to do just about everything.
I do think a lot about how I was able to gain 50 pounds in 2 years. I wasn't some crazy binge eater in terms of just eating a whole carton of ice cream. Honestly, I don't really even like sweets or sugar. I think it just boils down to 1. not moving very much 2. stress and 3. over-indulging in hyper-palatable foods. Get a Jimmy John's sub with the bag of chips on the side, that's like a 1,500 calorie lunch. Get a fast food breakfast with the hash brown, that's also over 1,000 calories. have 3-4 slices of pizza for dinner, also over 1,000 calories. It's all this food that is cheap, accessible, delicious, and presented in unreasonable portions.9 -
Oh, good grief. Again?
I'm betting your doctor is materially younger than I am. (I'm 62.) I've been alive and even adult since most of the "obesity crisis" developed. It's the flippin' culture.
In my childhood and beyond:- A higher percentage of people had physically active jobs, and even "sedentary" jobs were more physical (walk to the filing room, fetch the files you need, bring to your desk, take them back to central files later; write on chalkboard with chalk while walking back & forth rather than projecting PowerPoint; etc.)
- People had more physical hobbies, on average, because video games didn't exist, and even TVs made you get up to change the channel. Reading was completely sedentary, along with a few other hobbies, but active play for all ages was more common. More people played musical instruments instead of just listening; played sports (lower-energy ones, maybe, but moving) or danced vs. only watching others do these things; etc.
- Household chores involved more movement. No Roomba, few riding lawn mowers, etc.
- Gas stations were gas stations, not snack stores. Some gas stations might have a pop machine or cooler, with a small selection of 7 or 12oz bottles, and maybe a spinner rack of small chip bags, but there were no taquitos, roller grills, pizza slices, mega-Slushies, etc. There weren't snack stores per se much at all, just grocery stores, and they had shorter hours.
- Cars didnt have cup holders because we had nearly nothing to put in them, and most people rarely ate in their cars.
- Most people ate at home most of the time. There were fewer (by far) prepared foods in grocery stores, and their nutritional profiles were more similar to from-scratch foods, and portion sizes smaller. Even typical bowls and plates are a little larger now (as I know from having recently shopped to replace some).
- Fast food was just getting off the ground, wasn't even in every town, let alone ubiquitous. The fast food items were smaller at first, too - not super-sized. There were sit-down restaurants in most places, but too expensive for working-class people to eat every meal. Drive-throughs were not a thing at first, either.
- The range of snack foods of all types was smaller, and they were less ubiquitous.To the extent they existed (like candy bars), the average size was smaller.
I could go on and on . . . oh, wait: I just did. But there's much more I could add.
It takes only a few hundred calories of increased food or decreased movement on average per person per day to explain the obesity crisis, and there are certainly that many calories in that list.
TL;DR: It's not the sugar, or any other demon food/ingredient. People move less, and eat more. It's the *baby-feline* culture.20 -
Exactly. A few hundred extra calories, over your needs.
I lost a stone last year eating pretty low carb.
Then I got gallstones, badly, so I lost a further 2 stones in 4 months eating high carb, some sugars and low fat/ lowish protein. Carbs mostly wholemeal for the extra fibre and nutritents and to keep me full.
So it seems to me that you can follow a variety of diet lifestyles, but it is necessary to stay within a calorie budget to lose weight or not gain it. It’s likely to be easier to do that with a higher proportion of fruit and veg and some higher fibre foods.3 -
Oh, good grief. Again?
I'm betting your doctor is materially younger than I am. (I'm 62.) I've been alive and even adult since most of the "obesity crisis" developed. It's the flippin' culture.
In my childhood and beyond:- A higher percentage of people had physically active jobs, and even "sedentary" jobs were more physical (walk to the filing room, fetch the files you need, bring to your desk, take them back to central files later; write on chalkboard with chalk while walking back & forth rather than projecting PowerPoint; etc.)
- People had more physical hobbies, on average, because video games didn't exist, and even TVs made you get up to change the channel. Reading was completely sedentary, along with a few other hobbies, but active play for all ages was more common. More people played musical instruments instead of just listening; played sports (lower-energy ones, maybe, but moving) or danced vs. only watching others do these things; etc.
- Household chores involved more movement. No Roomba, few riding lawn mowers, etc.
- Gas stations were gas stations, not snack stores. Some gas stations might have a pop machine or cooler, with a small selection of 7 or 12oz bottles, and maybe a spinner rack of small chip bags, but there were no taquitos, roller grills, pizza slices, mega-Slushies, etc. There weren't snack stores per se much at all, just grocery stores, and they had shorter hours.
- Cars didnt have cup holders because we had nearly nothing to put in them, and most people rarely ate in their cars.
- Most people ate at home most of the time. There were fewer (by far) prepared foods in grocery stores, and their nutritional profiles were more similar to from-scratch foods, and portion sizes smaller. Even typical bowls and plates are a little larger now (as I know from having recently shopped to replace some).
- Fast food was just getting off the ground, wasn't even in every town, let alone ubiquitous. The fast food items were smaller at first, too - not super-sized. There were sit-down restaurants in most places, but too expensive for working-class people to eat every meal. Drive-throughs were not a thing at first, either.
- The range of snack foods of all types was smaller, and they were less ubiquitous.To the extent they existed (like candy bars), the average size was smaller.
I could go on and on . . . oh, wait: I just did. But there's much more I could add.
It takes only a few hundred calories of increased food or decreased movement on average per person per day to explain the obesity crisis, and there are certainly that many calories in that list.
TL;DR: It's not the sugar, or any other demon food/ingredient. People move less, and eat more. It's the *baby-feline* culture.
Oh I so identify and agree with this.
There was no snacking or free- for- alls in the kitchen, food was not that abundant, it was portioned out.
Eating out was a treat and you got dressed up for it.
Sweets, and savoury snacks like crisps, of any kind were an occasional treat, not something that had its own cupboard.
Food was not allowed at your work space. You went to the break room, park, or home for your lunch.
We also walked everywhere that was under about 3 miles, swept the floors with a broom, scrubbed it on hands and knees, and did laundry by hand.
Yes this is a bit extreme, but was normal where I grew up. Post war, poor working class, industrial northern England.
Cheers, h.6 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »People are eating more processed, boxed, packaged foods, not to mention eating out more than ever. Yes, sugar and grains are super calorie dense in comparison to the nutrition they provide. Cut out sugar and grains and I wonder how hard it would be to stick to staying under your deficit (or maintenance if you are at that stage)....I know I have a really hard time eating even 1300 calories a day since I stopped eating sugar and grains.
I do not think most anyone can gain weight if one truly cuts out sugar and grains. With them I was able to be obese because of the carb cravings that I had. Now without sugar or any form of any grain I eat until I am stuffed and after three years still am losing about 1/2 pound per month on average with out counting anything calorie wise. Just last night I ate at McDonald's and for the heck of it counted up the calories in my double hamburger, salad and coffee and it came to 435 calories so I had another cup of coffee to bump the meal up to 535 calories since it was free.
Don't be so naive. I know people who are Ketogenic who have gotten fat.
I expect those people were pulling your leg. I tried really hard but had to force myself to over eat to break out to the upside. While eating less than 50 grams of carbs fixed my eating disorder I give you the possibility that it might not fix everyone. No one I expect can eat enough to become obese without some kind of health issue and or they set obesity as their health goal for some sport, etc.
Lol....Wut? People are sedentary as hell...it's super easy to overeat without some healthy issue.
You consistently make these claims that everyone must have some kind of underlying issue or eating disorder which led them to be obese...I'd say those people are actually in the minority and that most people are just eating normally and aren't even giving a second thought to their food. Portions are large and it's pretty stinkin' easy to eat a lot of calories without even trying.
I was lean my entire life and a competitive athlete from 2nd grade all the way through high school...then the military and then college where I didn't own a car and biked and walked everywhere and worked in retail and landscape construction. I gained my weight to the point of just being obese when I took a desk job working 12 hour days and 6-8 hour days on Saturdays and traveling for work 25 weeks out of the year. I went from being a very active person to sitting at a desk all day...I had no disorder or health issue or any other kind of underlying thing that led to me getting fat. I got fat because I stopped moving...it took about 10 years.12 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »People are eating more processed, boxed, packaged foods, not to mention eating out more than ever. Yes, sugar and grains are super calorie dense in comparison to the nutrition they provide. Cut out sugar and grains and I wonder how hard it would be to stick to staying under your deficit (or maintenance if you are at that stage)....I know I have a really hard time eating even 1300 calories a day since I stopped eating sugar and grains.
I do not think most anyone can gain weight if one truly cuts out sugar and grains. With them I was able to be obese because of the carb cravings that I had. Now without sugar or any form of any grain I eat until I am stuffed and after three years still am losing about 1/2 pound per month on average with out counting anything calorie wise. Just last night I ate at McDonald's and for the heck of it counted up the calories in my double hamburger, salad and coffee and it came to 435 calories so I had another cup of coffee to bump the meal up to 535 calories since it was free.
Don't be so naive. I know people who are Ketogenic who have gotten fat.
I expect those people were pulling your leg. I tried really hard but had to force myself to over eat to break out to the upside. While eating less than 50 grams of carbs fixed my eating disorder I give you the possibility that it might not fix everyone. No one I expect can eat enough to become obese without some kind of health issue and or they set obesity as their health goal for some sport, etc.
Lol....Wut? People are sedentary as hell...it's super easy to overeat without some healthy issue.
You consistently make these claims that everyone must have some kind of underlying issue or eating disorder which led them to be obese...I'd say those people are actually in the minority and that most people are just eating normally and aren't even giving a second thought to their food. Portions are large and it's pretty stinkin' easy to eat a lot of calories without even trying.
I was lean my entire life and a competitive athlete from 2nd grade all the way through high school...then the military and then college where I didn't own a car and biked and walked everywhere and worked in retail and landscape construction. I gained my weight to the point of just being obese when I took a desk job working 12 hour days and 6-8 hour days on Saturdays and traveling for work 25 weeks out of the year. I went from being a very active person to sitting at a desk all day...I had no disorder or health issue or any other kind of underlying thing that led to me getting fat. I got fat because I stopped moving...it took about 10 years.
People do not get fat because they stop moving as I see it but because for some reason our fuel gauge breaks and we over eat our requirements. My binge carb eating disorder was resolved within the matter of a few weeks so I automatically started recovering health wise and no meds, doctors, etc were required as well as no counting and measuring.
Healthy animals eating the right macro do not typically become obese in nature. There is no medical evidence that I have seen where healthy people become unhealthy without there being some underlying cause. It may be due to the way we think, eat and or move but there is always a cause to becoming obese. Finding and understanding the cause is the $64K question however.32 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »People are eating more processed, boxed, packaged foods, not to mention eating out more than ever. Yes, sugar and grains are super calorie dense in comparison to the nutrition they provide. Cut out sugar and grains and I wonder how hard it would be to stick to staying under your deficit (or maintenance if you are at that stage)....I know I have a really hard time eating even 1300 calories a day since I stopped eating sugar and grains.
I do not think most anyone can gain weight if one truly cuts out sugar and grains. With them I was able to be obese because of the carb cravings that I had. Now without sugar or any form of any grain I eat until I am stuffed and after three years still am losing about 1/2 pound per month on average with out counting anything calorie wise. Just last night I ate at McDonald's and for the heck of it counted up the calories in my double hamburger, salad and coffee and it came to 435 calories so I had another cup of coffee to bump the meal up to 535 calories since it was free.
Don't be so naive. I know people who are Ketogenic who have gotten fat.
I expect those people were pulling your leg. I tried really hard but had to force myself to over eat to break out to the upside. While eating less than 50 grams of carbs fixed my eating disorder I give you the possibility that it might not fix everyone. No one I expect can eat enough to become obese without some kind of health issue and or they set obesity as their health goal for some sport, etc.
Lol....Wut? People are sedentary as hell...it's super easy to overeat without some healthy issue.
You consistently make these claims that everyone must have some kind of underlying issue or eating disorder which led them to be obese...I'd say those people are actually in the minority and that most people are just eating normally and aren't even giving a second thought to their food. Portions are large and it's pretty stinkin' easy to eat a lot of calories without even trying.
I was lean my entire life and a competitive athlete from 2nd grade all the way through high school...then the military and then college where I didn't own a car and biked and walked everywhere and worked in retail and landscape construction. I gained my weight to the point of just being obese when I took a desk job working 12 hour days and 6-8 hour days on Saturdays and traveling for work 25 weeks out of the year. I went from being a very active person to sitting at a desk all day...I had no disorder or health issue or any other kind of underlying thing that led to me getting fat. I got fat because I stopped moving...it took about 10 years.
People do not get fat because they stop moving as I see it but because for some reason our fuel gauge breaks and we over eat our requirements. My binge carb eating disorder was resolved within the matter of a few weeks so I automatically started recovering health wise and no meds, doctors, etc were required as well as no counting and measuring.
Healthy animals eating the right macro do not typically become obese in nature. There is no medical evidence that I have seen where healthy people become unhealthy without there being some underlying cause. It may be due to the way we think, eat and or move but there is always a cause to becoming obese. Finding and understanding the cause is the $64K question however.
The bolded IS NOT AN EATING DISORDER. Please stop saying that. It is offensive.
So you completely dismiss the CO side of the CICO equation as a potential reason for weight gain? You don't think as people age and their priorities change and they become less active, that it may be a contributing factor to weight gain? What is your reasoning why so many people gain weight as they move from a phase of life where they are more active to a lifestyle which is more sedentary? You think people suddenly start eating more? More of the "wrong macro" , whatever that means? Nothing to do with activity level?14 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »People are eating more processed, boxed, packaged foods, not to mention eating out more than ever. Yes, sugar and grains are super calorie dense in comparison to the nutrition they provide. Cut out sugar and grains and I wonder how hard it would be to stick to staying under your deficit (or maintenance if you are at that stage)....I know I have a really hard time eating even 1300 calories a day since I stopped eating sugar and grains.
I do not think most anyone can gain weight if one truly cuts out sugar and grains. With them I was able to be obese because of the carb cravings that I had. Now without sugar or any form of any grain I eat until I am stuffed and after three years still am losing about 1/2 pound per month on average with out counting anything calorie wise. Just last night I ate at McDonald's and for the heck of it counted up the calories in my double hamburger, salad and coffee and it came to 435 calories so I had another cup of coffee to bump the meal up to 535 calories since it was free.
Don't be so naive. I know people who are Ketogenic who have gotten fat.
I expect those people were pulling your leg. I tried really hard but had to force myself to over eat to break out to the upside. While eating less than 50 grams of carbs fixed my eating disorder I give you the possibility that it might not fix everyone. No one I expect can eat enough to become obese without some kind of health issue and or they set obesity as their health goal for some sport, etc.
Lol....Wut? People are sedentary as hell...it's super easy to overeat without some healthy issue.
You consistently make these claims that everyone must have some kind of underlying issue or eating disorder which led them to be obese...I'd say those people are actually in the minority and that most people are just eating normally and aren't even giving a second thought to their food. Portions are large and it's pretty stinkin' easy to eat a lot of calories without even trying.
I was lean my entire life and a competitive athlete from 2nd grade all the way through high school...then the military and then college where I didn't own a car and biked and walked everywhere and worked in retail and landscape construction. I gained my weight to the point of just being obese when I took a desk job working 12 hour days and 6-8 hour days on Saturdays and traveling for work 25 weeks out of the year. I went from being a very active person to sitting at a desk all day...I had no disorder or health issue or any other kind of underlying thing that led to me getting fat. I got fat because I stopped moving...it took about 10 years.
People do not get fat because they stop moving as I see it but because for some reason our fuel gauge breaks and we over eat our requirements. My binge carb eating disorder was resolved within the matter of a few weeks so I automatically started recovering health wise and no meds, doctors, etc were required as well as no counting and measuring.
Healthy animals eating the right macro do not typically become obese in nature. There is no medical evidence that I have seen where healthy people become unhealthy without there being some underlying cause. It may be due to the way we think, eat and or move but there is always a cause to becoming obese. Finding and understanding the cause is the $64K question however.
Why do you keep making up diagnoses? It doesn't help your case btw.11 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »People are eating more processed, boxed, packaged foods, not to mention eating out more than ever. Yes, sugar and grains are super calorie dense in comparison to the nutrition they provide. Cut out sugar and grains and I wonder how hard it would be to stick to staying under your deficit (or maintenance if you are at that stage)....I know I have a really hard time eating even 1300 calories a day since I stopped eating sugar and grains.
I do not think most anyone can gain weight if one truly cuts out sugar and grains. With them I was able to be obese because of the carb cravings that I had. Now without sugar or any form of any grain I eat until I am stuffed and after three years still am losing about 1/2 pound per month on average with out counting anything calorie wise. Just last night I ate at McDonald's and for the heck of it counted up the calories in my double hamburger, salad and coffee and it came to 435 calories so I had another cup of coffee to bump the meal up to 535 calories since it was free.
Don't be so naive. I know people who are Ketogenic who have gotten fat.
I expect those people were pulling your leg. I tried really hard but had to force myself to over eat to break out to the upside. While eating less than 50 grams of carbs fixed my eating disorder I give you the possibility that it might not fix everyone. No one I expect can eat enough to become obese without some kind of health issue and or they set obesity as their health goal for some sport, etc.
Lol....Wut? People are sedentary as hell...it's super easy to overeat without some healthy issue.
You consistently make these claims that everyone must have some kind of underlying issue or eating disorder which led them to be obese...I'd say those people are actually in the minority and that most people are just eating normally and aren't even giving a second thought to their food. Portions are large and it's pretty stinkin' easy to eat a lot of calories without even trying.
I was lean my entire life and a competitive athlete from 2nd grade all the way through high school...then the military and then college where I didn't own a car and biked and walked everywhere and worked in retail and landscape construction. I gained my weight to the point of just being obese when I took a desk job working 12 hour days and 6-8 hour days on Saturdays and traveling for work 25 weeks out of the year. I went from being a very active person to sitting at a desk all day...I had no disorder or health issue or any other kind of underlying thing that led to me getting fat. I got fat because I stopped moving...it took about 10 years.
People do not get fat because they stop moving as I see it but because for some reason our fuel gauge breaks and we over eat our requirements. My binge carb eating disorder was resolved within the matter of a few weeks so I automatically started recovering health wise and no meds, doctors, etc were required as well as no counting and measuring.
Healthy animals eating the right macro do not typically become obese in nature. There is no medical evidence that I have seen where healthy people become unhealthy without there being some underlying cause. It may be due to the way we think, eat and or move but there is always a cause to becoming obese. Finding and understanding the cause is the $64K question however.
Animals don't tend to become obese in nature because they don't have unlimited access to food and actually have to hunt for it. Humans, especially developed nations, have persistent access to food and have become increasing sedentary. Every major medical organization recognizes that, which is why they recommend limiting food and increasing activity.16 -
People eat more in general, that's the issue. I always laugh to myself when "experts" say: "look, they promoted low fat for years and there was ahuge rise in obesity "...
Rubbish! That would presume that all obese people have been on a low fat diet for years which I very much doubt.5 -
People do not get fat because they stop moving as I see it but because for some reason our fuel gauge breaks and we over eat our requirements. My binge carb eating disorder was resolved within the matter of a few weeks so I automatically started recovering health wise and no meds, doctors, etc were required as well as no counting and measuring.
Healthy animals eating the right macro do not typically become obese in nature. There is no medical evidence that I have seen where healthy people become unhealthy without there being some underlying cause. It may be due to the way we think, eat and or move but there is always a cause to becoming obese. Finding and understanding the cause is the $64K question however.
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Over and over and over.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »People are eating more processed, boxed, packaged foods, not to mention eating out more than ever. Yes, sugar and grains are super calorie dense in comparison to the nutrition they provide. Cut out sugar and grains and I wonder how hard it would be to stick to staying under your deficit (or maintenance if you are at that stage)....I know I have a really hard time eating even 1300 calories a day since I stopped eating sugar and grains.
I do not think most anyone can gain weight if one truly cuts out sugar and grains. With them I was able to be obese because of the carb cravings that I had. Now without sugar or any form of any grain I eat until I am stuffed and after three years still am losing about 1/2 pound per month on average with out counting anything calorie wise. Just last night I ate at McDonald's and for the heck of it counted up the calories in my double hamburger, salad and coffee and it came to 435 calories so I had another cup of coffee to bump the meal up to 535 calories since it was free.
Don't be so naive. I know people who are Ketogenic who have gotten fat.
I expect those people were pulling your leg. I tried really hard but had to force myself to over eat to break out to the upside. While eating less than 50 grams of carbs fixed my eating disorder I give you the possibility that it might not fix everyone. No one I expect can eat enough to become obese without some kind of health issue and or they set obesity as their health goal for some sport, etc.
Lol....Wut? People are sedentary as hell...it's super easy to overeat without some healthy issue.
You consistently make these claims that everyone must have some kind of underlying issue or eating disorder which led them to be obese...I'd say those people are actually in the minority and that most people are just eating normally and aren't even giving a second thought to their food. Portions are large and it's pretty stinkin' easy to eat a lot of calories without even trying.
I was lean my entire life and a competitive athlete from 2nd grade all the way through high school...then the military and then college where I didn't own a car and biked and walked everywhere and worked in retail and landscape construction. I gained my weight to the point of just being obese when I took a desk job working 12 hour days and 6-8 hour days on Saturdays and traveling for work 25 weeks out of the year. I went from being a very active person to sitting at a desk all day...I had no disorder or health issue or any other kind of underlying thing that led to me getting fat. I got fat because I stopped moving...it took about 10 years.
People do not get fat because they stop moving as I see it but because for some reason our fuel gauge breaks and we over eat our requirements. My binge carb eating disorder was resolved within the matter of a few weeks so I automatically started recovering health wise and no meds, doctors, etc were required as well as no counting and measuring.
Healthy animals eating the right macro do not typically become obese in nature. There is no medical evidence that I have seen where healthy people become unhealthy without there being some underlying cause. It may be due to the way we think, eat and or move but there is always a cause to becoming obese. Finding and understanding the cause is the $64K question however.
Simply put, you have no evidence whatsoever for your beliefs. You've fabricated a disorder and now try to extend it to everyone who is obese.
The cause to obesity is simple, you know it and for some reason continue to argue fantasy.
We ate too much for our activity level and got obese. I sure as hell know I did. I also know it's my fault and I'm the one who can fix it.11 -
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suzannesimmons3 wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »People are eating more processed, boxed, packaged foods, not to mention eating out more than ever. Yes, sugar and grains are super calorie dense in comparison to the nutrition they provide. Cut out sugar and grains and I wonder how hard it would be to stick to staying under your deficit (or maintenance if you are at that stage)....I know I have a really hard time eating even 1300 calories a day since I stopped eating sugar and grains.
I do not think most anyone can gain weight if one truly cuts out sugar and grains. With them I was able to be obese because of the carb cravings that I had. Now without sugar or any form of any grain I eat until I am stuffed and after three years still am losing about 1/2 pound per month on average with out counting anything calorie wise. Just last night I ate at McDonald's and for the heck of it counted up the calories in my double hamburger, salad and coffee and it came to 435 calories so I had another cup of coffee to bump the meal up to 535 calories since it was free.
Don't be so naive. I know people who are Ketogenic who have gotten fat.
I expect those people were pulling your leg. I tried really hard but had to force myself to over eat to break out to the upside. While eating less than 50 grams of carbs fixed my eating disorder I give you the possibility that it might not fix everyone. No one I expect can eat enough to become obese without some kind of health issue and or they set obesity as their health goal for some sport, etc.
Lol....Wut? People are sedentary as hell...it's super easy to overeat without some healthy issue.
You consistently make these claims that everyone must have some kind of underlying issue or eating disorder which led them to be obese...I'd say those people are actually in the minority and that most people are just eating normally and aren't even giving a second thought to their food. Portions are large and it's pretty stinkin' easy to eat a lot of calories without even trying.
I was lean my entire life and a competitive athlete from 2nd grade all the way through high school...then the military and then college where I didn't own a car and biked and walked everywhere and worked in retail and landscape construction. I gained my weight to the point of just being obese when I took a desk job working 12 hour days and 6-8 hour days on Saturdays and traveling for work 25 weeks out of the year. I went from being a very active person to sitting at a desk all day...I had no disorder or health issue or any other kind of underlying thing that led to me getting fat. I got fat because I stopped moving...it took about 10 years.
People do not get fat because they stop moving as I see it but because for some reason our fuel gauge breaks and we over eat our requirements. My binge carb eating disorder was resolved within the matter of a few weeks so I automatically started recovering health wise and no meds, doctors, etc were required as well as no counting and measuring.
Healthy animals eating the right macro do not typically become obese in nature. There is no medical evidence that I have seen where healthy people become unhealthy without there being some underlying cause. It may be due to the way we think, eat and or move but there is always a cause to becoming obese. Finding and understanding the cause is the $64K question however.
Simply put, you have no evidence whatsoever for your beliefs. You've fabricated a disorder and now try to extend it to everyone who is obese.
The cause to obesity is simple, you know it and for some reason continue to argue fantasy.
We ate too much for our activity level and got obese. I sure as hell know I did. I also know it's my fault and I'm the one who can fix it.
It's disrespectful to those with actual eating disorders.
It is but it's his mo. A while ago he included during his ibs by his woe in his usual speel and one day he changed ibs to ibd I guess to make his point stronger without ever been diagnosed or any Dr suggesting he has it. Exaggeration, making up fake diagnoses and lies don't leave a good taste in my moutg9 -
Also real eating disorders are not resolved in a matter of a few weeks. Even when recovered it's something you struggle with for the rest of your life.6
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Unless the doctor was talking about some meaningless metric like the physical volume of food we consume (ignoring energy density of that food), then i'm not sure 'we eat the same amount we always have' holds up to scrutiny.
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Look at the graph carefully, people. Between 1970 and 2010 (eyeballing the graph without having the original numbers) average daily calories consumed increased from approx 2100 to slightly over 2500. Even without a change in activity, 350 calories is about a tenth of a pound increase per day. That's why people have been getting fatter over the same period in the U.S. -- it has nothing to do with what people are eating (percent of calories coming from sugars doesn't change over the period), and everything to do with how much they're eating. This animation from the CDC illustrates obesity rates over the same period:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2013/04/obesity_in_america_cdc_releases_gif_of_epidemic_over_time.html
The other thing the graph shows is that the increase in calorie intake is due to more added fats and flour/grains in the diet, not sugars, fruits, veggies, dairy, or meats.3 -
Look at the graph carefully, people. Between 1970 and 2010 (eyeballing the graph without having the original numbers) average daily calories consumed increased from approx 2100 to slightly over 2500. Even without a change in activity, 350 calories is about a tenth of a pound increase per day. That's why people have been getting fatter over the same period in the U.S. -- it has nothing to do with what people are eating (percent of calories coming from sugars doesn't change over the period), and everything to do with how much they're eating. This animation from the CDC illustrates obesity rates over the same period:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2013/04/obesity_in_america_cdc_releases_gif_of_epidemic_over_time.html
The other thing the graph shows is that the increase in calorie intake is due to more added fats and flour/grains in the diet, not sugars, fruits, veggies, dairy, or meats.
If you throw in that besides an obvious increase in mechanized tasks resulting in decreased incidental daily movement, it's quite easy to see what the main cause of the obesity crisis is.
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hmm I got fat because I moved less and at the same amount of food(calories) I was eating before when I was really active(I took a medication for asthma that wound me up so I was always moving and it may have sped up my metabolism a little bit). but once off the mication d and once I stopped moving as much I started gaining weight.I went from 140 to 209 lbs. I was 140 for most of my life until that point.There were times I was less than that.The smallest I was as an adult was 125 lbs(still on the medication). so that shows you that moving less and eating more than you burn DOES lead to obesity and weight gain.0
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A “macro” is a macronutrient. If a person only eats one macro they will die eventually so I don’t get why there is continued reference to “eating the correct macro.”
This, of course, has been repeatedly explained to the offending party who continues to use “macro” in place of the word “diet.”
I would say they are being deliberate obtuse but I’m afraid I would get reported for insulting them.12 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »A “macro” is a macronutrient. If a person only eats one macro they will die eventually so I don’t get why there is continued reference to “eating the correct macro.”
This, of course, has been repeatedly explained to the offending party who continues to use “macro” in place of the word “diet.”
I would say they are being deliberate obtuse but I’m afraid I would get reported for insulting them.
Would intentionally malinformed better?5 -
ladyhusker39 wrote: »This is what my doctor told me today is the reason people are overweight/obese today. It's a very commonly used explanation on these boards so I wanted to open it up for discussion.
He said that we (I assume he meant Americans, but I guess it could be expanded to Westerners in general) eat about the same number of calories our parents and grandparents used to, but now everything has sugar and unrefined carbohydrates in it. And that's why we're so fat now.
The only sources he cited were a couple of documentaries I eventually got him to admit were the ones on Netflix.
I think this is a load of hooey and had to try hard to keep a straight face and a closed mouth.
But what do you think?
If we're eating the same, our activity level is a lot lower as we drive everywhere, and use electrical or mechanical gadgets for every task.0 -
Serious question, Gale.
You keep stating that you, in some fashion, have a "terminal degree in a medical field." What, exactly, is your degree? And in what field? What do/did you practice?2 -
Serious question, Gale.
You keep stating that you, in some fashion, have a "terminal degree in a medical field." What, exactly, is your degree? And in what field? What do/did you practice?
Optometry/opthomology (I can't remember exactly now, because it's be a while since it was discussed) and he never practiced due to his health conditions.2 -
I found out what the metabolic effects of sugar are. Well, sort of. If bad science affects your metabolism. Hyper-palatable food and grains are evil and caused the increase in obesity. Apparently. Why do people so confident in their beliefs, thinking they have science to back up those beliefs, suddenly come over all shy when challenged and insist on sending PMs explaining things? I don't want a PM, I want you to be prepared to lay your cards out and either be debunked or acknowledged. Why bother even commenting on a thread if you won't defend your position?15
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VintageFeline wrote: »I found out what the metabolic effects of sugar are. Well, sort of. If bad science affects your metabolism. Hyper-palatable food and grains are evil and caused the increase in obesity. Apparently. Why do people so confident in their beliefs, thinking they have science to back up those beliefs, suddenly come over all shy when challenged and insist on sending PMs explaining things? I don't want a PM, I want you to be prepared to lay your cards out and either be debunked or acknowledged. Why bother even commenting on a thread if you won't defend your position?
Can I get an AMEN!
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