High carb Low protein diet
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Thank you to everyone who replied. I don't feel like getting into a this way or that way is the right way discussion. I've friended those who mentioned they eat similarly to me. Thanks for answering!
Forums get to be touchy when you talk about protein, vegan, plant based....so I just want to say thanks for your concerns to those who are worried...and thanks for responding to those who are similar to me.
I can certainly understand why you don't want to get into debates on an internet forum. But you might be doing yourself a disservice if you put yourself in an echo chamber by only friending like minded people. As other people have mentioned, low protein can lead to problems. If you're tracking your macros, why not increase your protein a bit?
I am tracking my macros, but I don't see an issue with balancing between 40-50 grams of protein. (On average).
46g is the MINIMUM RDA for essentially sedentary women who don't work- you are compromising bone health, muscle development, bodily functions etc by maintaining a low protein intake10 -
Well if 46g is the minimum, it sounds like OP is there? What am I missing here?3
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Thank you to everyone who replied. I don't feel like getting into a this way or that way is the right way discussion. I've friended those who mentioned they eat similarly to me. Thanks for answering!
Forums get to be touchy when you talk about protein, vegan, plant based....so I just want to say thanks for your concerns to those who are worried...and thanks for responding to those who are similar to me.
I can certainly understand why you don't want to get into debates on an internet forum. But you might be doing yourself a disservice if you put yourself in an echo chamber by only friending like minded people. As other people have mentioned, low protein can lead to problems. If you're tracking your macros, why not increase your protein a bit?
I am tracking my macros, but I don't see an issue with balancing between 40-50 grams of protein. (On average).
RDA minimum for a more or less sedentary individual is 0.83 per Kg of body weight...what's your RDA minimum? Are you hitting it? Are you more or less sedentary?
I could hit my RDA minimum on my 2,800 calorie diet with 10% protein...but I'm not sedentary and workout 5-6 days per week...which increases my protein needs. I think a lot of people go over the top when it comes to protein...but I also think a lot of people don't realize that the RDA is a minimum for a non active individual.
There are a lot of plant based proteins...I eat lentils and beans quite a bit. Hemp seeds give a vegan a one two punch as a few Tbsps are around 10 grams of protein...plus they are rich in Omega 3 fatty acids, which if you don't eat fish, you should be supplementing in some manner or another anyway.
As "grains" go, I eat quinoa quite a bit (I know it's a seed). Do you use nutritional yeast? Tempeh and tofu are excellent sources.2 -
nickssweetheart wrote: »Well if 46g is the minimum, it sounds like OP is there? What am I missing here?
It is the minimum for a non-active person...I don't know if the OP is active or not. An active person would need more given that they're breaking down muscle with their training/exercise...0 -
nickssweetheart wrote: »Well if 46g is the minimum, it sounds like OP is there? What am I missing here?
She's not a sedentary woman though1 -
nickssweetheart wrote: »Well if 46g is the minimum, it sounds like OP is there? What am I missing here?
::claps hands:: BRAVO! Thank you.
I think I am missing that something too.7 -
nickssweetheart wrote: »Well if 46g is the minimum, it sounds like OP is there? What am I missing here?
::claps hands:: BRAVO! Thank you.
I think I am missing that something too.
So you're non active then?
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/how-much-protein-do-you-need-every-day-201506188096The Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) for protein is a modest 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight. The RDA is the amount of a nutrient you need to meet your basic nutritional requirements. In a sense, it’s the minimum amount you need to keep from getting sick — not the specific amount you are supposed to eat every day.
To determine your RDA for protein, you can multiply your weight in pounds by 0.36, or use this online protein calculator. For a 50-year-old woman who weighs 140 pounds woman and who is sedentary (doesn’t exercise), that translates into 53 grams of protein a day.1 -
nickssweetheart wrote: »Well if 46g is the minimum, it sounds like OP is there? What am I missing here?
::claps hands:: BRAVO! Thank you.
I think I am missing that something too.
You are sedentary though? And 40-50 implies you are eating be low the rda for a sedentary woman. Your rda is probably higher than that.0 -
nickssweetheart wrote: »Well if 46g is the minimum, it sounds like OP is there? What am I missing here?
::claps hands:: BRAVO! Thank you.
I think I am missing that something too.
I thought you said in previous posts that you got some exercise. Is that not accurate?1 -
You have been eating this way for a while, like longer than six weeks? No problems with skin, nails or hair? Then it may be that you are getting your minimum protein.2
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I don't want to discount the importance of protein. It is something that can be an issue for vegans, and as I stated, I always check to make sure that I'm meeting my requirement and I eat higher protein foods 2 out of 3 meals, but really, most of the time, I hit it easily, and that's with eating quite a lot of carbohydrate. I'd be surprised if OP was as seriously under-proteined as some posters are implying.
Also, I don't see people going into the low-carb threads and arguing that people need carbs or fiber. I still think, for me, a balanced diet that is heavy on carbs but still meets other requirements is how I feel best and most satisfied.3 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »nickssweetheart wrote: »Well if 46g is the minimum, it sounds like OP is there? What am I missing here?
::claps hands:: BRAVO! Thank you.
I think I am missing that something too.
So you're non active then?
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/how-much-protein-do-you-need-every-day-201506188096The Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) for protein is a modest 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight. The RDA is the amount of a nutrient you need to meet your basic nutritional requirements. In a sense, it’s the minimum amount you need to keep from getting sick — not the specific amount you are supposed to eat every day.
To determine your RDA for protein, you can multiply your weight in pounds by 0.36, or use this online protein calculator. For a 50-year-old woman who weighs 140 pounds woman and who is sedentary (doesn’t exercise), that translates into 53 grams of protein a day.
THANK YOU! That is perfect! 115*.36 = 41.4
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cwolfman13 wrote: »nickssweetheart wrote: »Well if 46g is the minimum, it sounds like OP is there? What am I missing here?
::claps hands:: BRAVO! Thank you.
I think I am missing that something too.
So you're non active then?
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/how-much-protein-do-you-need-every-day-201506188096The Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) for protein is a modest 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight. The RDA is the amount of a nutrient you need to meet your basic nutritional requirements. In a sense, it’s the minimum amount you need to keep from getting sick — not the specific amount you are supposed to eat every day.
To determine your RDA for protein, you can multiply your weight in pounds by 0.36, or use this online protein calculator. For a 50-year-old woman who weighs 140 pounds woman and who is sedentary (doesn’t exercise), that translates into 53 grams of protein a day.
THANK YOU! That is perfect! 115*.36 = 41.4
But that's for sedentary. You exercise right?0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »nickssweetheart wrote: »Well if 46g is the minimum, it sounds like OP is there? What am I missing here?
::claps hands:: BRAVO! Thank you.
I think I am missing that something too.
I thought you said in previous posts that you got some exercise. Is that not accurate?
I'm not worried about calculating for exercise. As long as I get the minimum I am happy. I'm sure people live differently but that is fine too. I'm not standing on the edge of a bridge ... I will be ok, but I am grateful for all of the concern. It works well for me, and as many of you have provided around 40 is a reasonable amount.12 -
nickssweetheart wrote: »I don't want to discount the importance of protein. It is something that can be an issue for vegans, and as I stated, I always check to make sure that I'm meeting my requirement and I eat higher protein foods 2 out of 3 meals, but really, most of the time, I hit it easily, and that's with eating quite a lot of carbohydrate. I'd be surprised if OP was as seriously under-proteined as some posters are implying.
Also, I don't see people going into the low-carb threads and arguing that people need carbs or fiber. I still think, for me, a balanced diet that is heavy on carbs but still meets other requirements is how I feel best and most satisfied.
That would be because carbohydrates aren't an essential macro-nutrient...dietary fat and protein are. The human body can create glucose and can use ketones for energy...the human body cannot create protein or dietary fat.10 -
nickssweetheart wrote: »I don't want to discount the importance of protein. It is something that can be an issue for vegans, and as I stated, I always check to make sure that I'm meeting my requirement and I eat higher protein foods 2 out of 3 meals, but really, most of the time, I hit it easily, and that's with eating quite a lot of carbohydrate. I'd be surprised if OP was as seriously under-proteined as some posters are implying.
Also, I don't see people going into the low-carb threads and arguing that people need carbs or fiber. I still think, for me, a balanced diet that is heavy on carbs but still meets other requirements is how I feel best and most satisfied.
Nobody *needs* carbohydrates (although including foods with carbohydrates makes it easier to meet other nutritional goals, at least for many people) so if someone argued that people required them, it would be wrong.
As far as fiber, it's possible to hit fiber goals even on a lower carbohydrate diet. And when people do post about missing nutritional goals on a low carbohydrate diet, I have seen that addressed. I don't see this as a low carbohydrate versus low protein issue.
Going by OP's own statements, she is frequently consuming less protein than the minimum recommended for a sedentary woman (and she is not sedentary, she is intentionally disregarding the additional protein recommended for people who are active). This is the type of place where people will express concern when people post about intentionally and consistently missing a necessary macro- or micronutrient, especially if they're attempting to solicit other people who share that lifestyle.
A balanced diet that is heavy on carbohydrates but meeting overall nutritional requirements isn't what is being discussed here. If it was, I don't think you would see anyone being concerned. Why do I think that? Because I'm a long-time poster who follows that type of diet, I'm very open about it, and I've never had anyone give me any feedback for it.
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You have been eating this way for a while, like longer than six weeks? No problems with skin, nails or hair? Then it may be that you are getting your minimum protein.
About 8 or 9 months I believe. Maybe more. I don't have any significant changes in my hair, skin, or nails at all. I have had hypothyroidism (started medication in high school) for a really long time now...which has given me issues with hair and nails...but I haven't noticed anything different once I began eating more plant based.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »nickssweetheart wrote: »Well if 46g is the minimum, it sounds like OP is there? What am I missing here?
::claps hands:: BRAVO! Thank you.
I think I am missing that something too.
I thought you said in previous posts that you got some exercise. Is that not accurate?
I'm not worried about calculating for exercise. As long as I get the minimum I am happy. I'm sure people live differently but that is fine too. I'm not standing on the edge of a bridge ... I will be ok, but I am grateful for all of the concern. It works well for me, and as many of you have provided around 40 is a reasonable amount.
40 is reasonable if you don't exercise. As someone who has had protein deficiency it really isn't fun.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »nickssweetheart wrote: »Well if 46g is the minimum, it sounds like OP is there? What am I missing here?
::claps hands:: BRAVO! Thank you.
I think I am missing that something too.
I thought you said in previous posts that you got some exercise. Is that not accurate?
I'm not worried about calculating for exercise. As long as I get the minimum I am happy. I'm sure people live differently but that is fine too. I'm not standing on the edge of a bridge ... I will be ok, but I am grateful for all of the concern. It works well for me, and as many of you have provided around 40 is a reasonable amount.
So, you're going to ignore what that link that you referred to as perfect actually said. Because if you don't take your exercise into account, you're not actually getting the minimum.
OK, then.5 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »nickssweetheart wrote: »Well if 46g is the minimum, it sounds like OP is there? What am I missing here?
::claps hands:: BRAVO! Thank you.
I think I am missing that something too.
So you're non active then?
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/how-much-protein-do-you-need-every-day-201506188096The Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) for protein is a modest 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight. The RDA is the amount of a nutrient you need to meet your basic nutritional requirements. In a sense, it’s the minimum amount you need to keep from getting sick — not the specific amount you are supposed to eat every day.
To determine your RDA for protein, you can multiply your weight in pounds by 0.36, or use this online protein calculator. For a 50-year-old woman who weighs 140 pounds woman and who is sedentary (doesn’t exercise), that translates into 53 grams of protein a day.
THANK YOU! That is perfect! 115*.36 = 41.4
Did you actually read the whole thing or just cherry pick?8 -
nickssweetheart wrote: »I don't want to discount the importance of protein. It is something that can be an issue for vegans, and as I stated, I always check to make sure that I'm meeting my requirement and I eat higher protein foods 2 out of 3 meals, but really, most of the time, I hit it easily, and that's with eating quite a lot of carbohydrate. I'd be surprised if OP was as seriously under-proteined as some posters are implying.
Also, I don't see people going into the low-carb threads and arguing that people need carbs or fiber. I still think, for me, a balanced diet that is heavy on carbs but still meets other requirements is how I feel best and most satisfied.
That is a great point! Touche. I feel like to be seriously under-proteined (if that is a real term?) you have to have an eating disorder. Many of the people who have ever suffered severely or died from a protein deficiency I would assume would have to be malnourished and lacking severe calories. Protein is in everything.
"Where do you get your protein from?" The same place your protein gets their protein from.
It's everywhere in everything. We are all going to be fine. I love that we all eat differently and research different things, but sometimes it's ok to let others eat differently, and appreciate it. I personally don't believe fasting is a beneficial thing for your body...but I am not one to message everyone about their choices they make. Live and let live is how I like to view things. I do find it fascinating to hear how other people view and choose to diet and exercise too. It's a wacky world.13 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »nickssweetheart wrote: »Well if 46g is the minimum, it sounds like OP is there? What am I missing here?
::claps hands:: BRAVO! Thank you.
I think I am missing that something too.
So you're non active then?
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/how-much-protein-do-you-need-every-day-201506188096The Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) for protein is a modest 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight. The RDA is the amount of a nutrient you need to meet your basic nutritional requirements. In a sense, it’s the minimum amount you need to keep from getting sick — not the specific amount you are supposed to eat every day.
To determine your RDA for protein, you can multiply your weight in pounds by 0.36, or use this online protein calculator. For a 50-year-old woman who weighs 140 pounds woman and who is sedentary (doesn’t exercise), that translates into 53 grams of protein a day.
THANK YOU! That is perfect! 115*.36 = 41.4
Did you actually read the whole thing or just cherry pick?
Just not sure why there is a huge reluctance to eat minimum amounts of things. I guess being healthy isn't really one of her goals.12 -
nickssweetheart wrote: »I don't want to discount the importance of protein. It is something that can be an issue for vegans, and as I stated, I always check to make sure that I'm meeting my requirement and I eat higher protein foods 2 out of 3 meals, but really, most of the time, I hit it easily, and that's with eating quite a lot of carbohydrate. I'd be surprised if OP was as seriously under-proteined as some posters are implying.
Also, I don't see people going into the low-carb threads and arguing that people need carbs or fiber. I still think, for me, a balanced diet that is heavy on carbs but still meets other requirements is how I feel best and most satisfied.
That is a great point! Touche. I feel like to be seriously under-proteined (if that is a real term?) you have to have an eating disorder. Many of the people who have ever suffered severely or died from a protein deficiency I would assume would have to be malnourished and lacking severe calories. Protein is in everything.
"Where do you get your protein from?" The same place your protein gets their protein from.
It's everywhere in everything. We are all going to be fine. I love that we all eat differently and research different things, but sometimes it's ok to let others eat differently, and appreciate it. I personally don't believe fasting is a beneficial thing for your body...but I am not one to message everyone about their choices they make. Live and let live is how I like to view things. I do find it fascinating to hear how other people view and choose to diet and exercise too. It's a wacky world.
no you don't necessarily have to have an eating disorder to be protein deficient...9 -
Okay, scrolling back through the thread, it does look as though OP is a bit lower than I thought. Probably worth bumping up the tofu a bit. I have some great recipes if you want.
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nickssweetheart wrote: »I don't want to discount the importance of protein. It is something that can be an issue for vegans, and as I stated, I always check to make sure that I'm meeting my requirement and I eat higher protein foods 2 out of 3 meals, but really, most of the time, I hit it easily, and that's with eating quite a lot of carbohydrate. I'd be surprised if OP was as seriously under-proteined as some posters are implying.
Also, I don't see people going into the low-carb threads and arguing that people need carbs or fiber. I still think, for me, a balanced diet that is heavy on carbs but still meets other requirements is how I feel best and most satisfied.
That is a great point! Touche. I feel like to be seriously under-proteined (if that is a real term?) you have to have an eating disorder. Many of the people who have ever suffered severely or died from a protein deficiency I would assume would have to be malnourished and lacking severe calories. Protein is in everything.
"Where do you get your protein from?" The same place your protein gets their protein from.
It's everywhere in everything. We are all going to be fine. I love that we all eat differently and research different things, but sometimes it's ok to let others eat differently, and appreciate it. I personally don't believe fasting is a beneficial thing for your body...but I am not one to message everyone about their choices they make. Live and let live is how I like to view things. I do find it fascinating to hear how other people view and choose to diet and exercise too. It's a wacky world.
On this subject, at least, I would consider going by the facts and not your feelings.
You seem to define anything that stops short of severe suffering and/or death as not being protein deficiency, but the truth is that a lot can happen to a person before that reach that level of severe chronic deficiency.
Shouldn't we want our diets to do more than prevent the development of severe suffering and death?
Protein is in a lot of foods but it isn't in *everything* and vegans/plant-based people especially have to consider the variety of amino acids in our diets. For many of us, it isn't a concern if we eat a variety of protein containing foods. But when protein is very limited or high protein sources of food are avoided, it can be difficult to get enough of certain amino acids (lysine is a specific one of concern for some eating patterns). Our bodies can't create these, that's why they're called "essential amino acids."
We're not all going to be fine. There are many people who develop preventable illnesses or suffering due to their diets. Just like I wouldn't assure someone they'd be fine if they ate food from a bulging can or consumed 90% of their calories in the form of saturated fat or never ever ate a vegetable or fruit or decided to indulge in raw pork regularly, I wouldn't assure someone they would be fine if they practiced consistent protein restriction below their needs.
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singingflutelady wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »nickssweetheart wrote: »Well if 46g is the minimum, it sounds like OP is there? What am I missing here?
::claps hands:: BRAVO! Thank you.
I think I am missing that something too.
So you're non active then?
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/how-much-protein-do-you-need-every-day-201506188096The Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) for protein is a modest 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight. The RDA is the amount of a nutrient you need to meet your basic nutritional requirements. In a sense, it’s the minimum amount you need to keep from getting sick — not the specific amount you are supposed to eat every day.
To determine your RDA for protein, you can multiply your weight in pounds by 0.36, or use this online protein calculator. For a 50-year-old woman who weighs 140 pounds woman and who is sedentary (doesn’t exercise), that translates into 53 grams of protein a day.
THANK YOU! That is perfect! 115*.36 = 41.4
Did you actually read the whole thing or just cherry pick?
Just not sure why there is a huge reluctance to eat minimum amounts of things. I guess being healthy isn't really one of her goals.
There is an incredibly unfortunate trend in some parts of the vegan/plant-based community to see protein as optional. It's an ideological thing, the belief that "big meat/dairy" is lying to us to get us to buy meat.
If you hear somebody say that "Protein is in everything [therefore we don't need to think about it]" or "Only people with EDs don't get enough protein" or insist that the absolute lowest protein recommendations are appropriate for people at all life stages and lifestyles, you're probably dealing with someone who is currently in the grips of this ideology.
(I actually think you've run into this before, just saying it for anyone who might not have encountered this previously).15 -
singingflutelady wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »nickssweetheart wrote: »Well if 46g is the minimum, it sounds like OP is there? What am I missing here?
::claps hands:: BRAVO! Thank you.
I think I am missing that something too.
So you're non active then?
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/how-much-protein-do-you-need-every-day-201506188096The Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) for protein is a modest 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight. The RDA is the amount of a nutrient you need to meet your basic nutritional requirements. In a sense, it’s the minimum amount you need to keep from getting sick — not the specific amount you are supposed to eat every day.
To determine your RDA for protein, you can multiply your weight in pounds by 0.36, or use this online protein calculator. For a 50-year-old woman who weighs 140 pounds woman and who is sedentary (doesn’t exercise), that translates into 53 grams of protein a day.
THANK YOU! That is perfect! 115*.36 = 41.4
Did you actually read the whole thing or just cherry pick?
Just not sure why there is a huge reluctance to eat minimum amounts of things. I guess being healthy isn't really one of her goals.
I think healthy is relative to whatever research you and I have done. I think we all have different versions of healthy lifestyles. I do not attempt to eat the minimum.
As I have said time and time again. I eat when I am hungry, I eat what I want. It happens to be about 40 g protein on average. I don't wake up in the morning with a game plan to avoid protein.
But again, thank you for the concern. I do appreciate it, but I didn't create this forum thread thinking about man do I need help, advice, and other opinions. I merely was looking for those who eat similarly, but I appreciate the thoughts and concerns of you all. Thank you.10 -
My personal experience has been that there are a million ways to lose weight and that the key to success is finding the one that works for you. For example, I count calories. Calories in vs. calories out is what works for me. I don’t pay much attention to nutrients and macros, but that’s not to say that I’d recommend a 1,750 calorie junk food diet. If I peek at anything else besides calories on a label, it’s carbs, because my endocrinologist told me to stay under 100 a day. Do I? Probably not. I know some people say that not all macros and calories are the same. Great. If juggling all of that information is what works for them, so be it. I guess what I’m trying to say is do what works for you.0
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I eat about 80 g protein and 250 g carbs, so definitely not low carb. Not a big fan of these low carb diets.0
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Biggster69 wrote: »I eat about 80 g protein and 250 g carbs, so definitely not low carb. Not a big fan of these low carb diets.
This is a low protein discussion, not low carb. It looks like you have a handle on your protein goals (and carbs) 0
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