Of refeeds and diet breaks
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Baby "Nugget", 2.5 weeks old.
And for a bit of comedic relief.. My daughters Husky in his super hero outfit
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Squee!!!!3
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Nugget is apt for his name! Totally worthy of being prince pupper. The outfits always get me lol, they're really well done.1
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Anyone have any experience with prednisone? It's possible I'm at oral steroids stage for eczema treatment
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I dont have animal pictures but i do have a 10 day old.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Anyone have any experience with prednisone? It's possible I'm at oral steroids stage for eczema treatment
I've only been on it for very short courses for my migraines Nony. Like 3 days. Not enough to get negative effects.
My sister has been on it longer and didn't really like much what happened with it. She got moon face and increased appetite.2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Anyone have any experience with prednisone? It's possible I'm at oral steroids stage for eczema treatment
I've only been on it for very short courses for my migraines Nony. Like 3 days. Not enough to get negative effects.
My sister has been on it longer and didn't really like much what happened with it. She got moon face and increased appetite.
Yeah I know of someone on them currently (Youtuber0 -
I know several people who are on steroids for things like lupus and Addison's. I think it depends on how you react and lifestyle. The lady I know who didn't really watch what she ate and never exercised gained a ton of weight. The lady who is pretty conscious about food and is very active didn't. Hopefully it will help. My dad has pretty bad ezcema, and has done so much to try to figure it out: allergy testing, medicine, constantly changing soaps, etc.1
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Oh look at that, didn't post the whole thing from my mobile. Didn't use an emoji either. Sigh.
Anyway, moonface and appetite said Youtuber is experiencing.1 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Anyone have any experience with prednisone? It's possible I'm at oral steroids stage for eczema treatment
I've done prednisone for asthma flare ups from time to time. Not bad. Kind of disturbs sleep a little. Some folks have excessive hunger. Had that once but not the other times. For some people, it causes lethargy. I had a little of that but just kept moving and didn't focus on it. PM me with questions if it will help.0 -
Mother of all whooshes this morning. I have no idea what brought it on, but I'm side-eyeing the universe slightly less this morning, with that three-pound drop overnight.13
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Anyone have any experience with prednisone? It's possible I'm at oral steroids stage for eczema treatment
I was on it for about two months, but, like, 13 years ago.
Appetite was up somewhat, but I was *largely* able to keep it under control. I didn't notice any significant weight changes, but that was also at the point where I didn't have a scale in my house. (The therapist I was seeing at the time didn't forbid it, but had some pretty strong opinions about it.)2 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Anyone have any experience with prednisone? It's possible I'm at oral steroids stage for eczema treatment
I've done prednisone for asthma flare ups from time to time. Not bad. Kind of disturbs sleep a little. Some folks have excessive hunger. Had that once but not the other times. For some people, it causes lethargy. I had a little of that but just kept moving and didn't focus on it. PM me with questions if it will help.
I was on/off prednisone most of my teen years due to asthma. Relatively rare within the past 15 years, usually due to an upper respiratory infection that triggers my asthma.
I've heard about sleeplessness, irritability and moodiness when on it but that's not what I experience. Appetite goes up, retain water and I feel like superman or at least like I'm a teenager again with loads of energy and the aches and pains go away (due to inflammation suppression).
Nowadays most Drs. prescribe a short run of them, like 7 days. Back when I was a kid the protocol was 30 days at a much higher level, then a slow taper down. The shorter ones don't impact most people as much as the longer ones did.
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Thanks guys. It would only be a short course, like 7-10 days.
And at this stage increased appetite wouldn't be a bad thing, because I've lost 700g/1.5lb in four days. Eating at maintenance. Not low carb (mentioning to point out it's not water weight, at least not from that). So yeah, safe to say rash generation requires a crapton of calories. I have no idea how to deal with that intake-wise, because I have no idea how long I will stay in active generation phase. I guess I just eat more and worry about it if and when the scale goes up a couple of times in a row?5 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Thanks guys. It would only be a short course, like 7-10 days.
And at this stage increased appetite wouldn't be a bad thing, because I've lost 700g/1.5lb in four days. Eating at maintenance. Not low carb (mentioning to point out it's not water weight, at least not from that). So yeah, safe to say rash generation requires a crapton of calories. I have no idea how to deal with that intake-wise, because I have no idea how long I will stay in active generation phase. I guess I just eat more and worry about it if and when the scale goes up a couple of times in a row?
Indeed. The body doesn't distinguish between injury/illness, but any deleterious effect demanding repair (as seen by inflammation, histamine/lymphocyte response, etc will require more energy, so it makes sense. Bump up protein if anything. At least it would mitigate protein loss.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Thanks guys. It would only be a short course, like 7-10 days.
And at this stage increased appetite wouldn't be a bad thing, because I've lost 700g/1.5lb in four days. Eating at maintenance. Not low carb (mentioning to point out it's not water weight, at least not from that). So yeah, safe to say rash generation requires a crapton of calories. I have no idea how to deal with that intake-wise, because I have no idea how long I will stay in active generation phase. I guess I just eat more and worry about it if and when the scale goes up a couple of times in a row?
Indeed. The body doesn't distinguish between injury/illness, but any deleterious effect demanding repair (as seen by inflammation, histamine/lymphocyte response, etc will require more energy, so it makes sense. Bump up protein if anything. At least it would mitigate protein loss.
Yeah, I'm aiming for lots of protein and EFAs today. Fat intake was pretty low yesterday because I really just ate lots of fruit and yoghurt (did hit protein though, I'm obsessive on that front!). Oh and I will be eating the rest of the gelato I bought yesterday.
Also saying 'shut up, ED brain, that weight loss is not awesome'...Consciously eating at what should be a surplus is admittedly a bit of a mental struggle though 6 -
I hear you. I usually don't log to bypass the ED bump in kcal .. seems I'm tied to numbers lol. Dysmorphia's a *kitten* and a half.4
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I hear you. I usually don't log to bypass the ED bump in kcal .. seems I'm tied to numbers lol. Dysmorphia's a *kitten* and a half.
I'm not sure I can do that. I'd rather know I'm not going *that* far over.
In other news, doctor is giving me pred without even seeing me (I'd put in a repeat request for some more topicals that I'm almost out of, she emailed and said come in if it doesn't settle and we'll look at orals, I replied that I already have an appointment booked for next week and I think we're at that stage, she replied and said she'll add pred to the script for me to pick up today).3 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »I hear you. I usually don't log to bypass the ED bump in kcal .. seems I'm tied to numbers lol. Dysmorphia's a *kitten* and a half.
I'm not sure I can do that. I'd rather know I'm not going *that* far over.
In other news, doctor is giving me pred without even seeing me (I'd put in a repeat request for some more topicals that I'm almost out of, she emailed and said come in if it doesn't settle and we'll look at orals, I replied that I already have an appointment booked for next week and I think we're at that stage, she replied and said she'll add pred to the script for me to pick up today).
I generally like it when my doctor just complies with my request. She assumes I've done enough research, ha.
In terms of not logging, I generally don't even go that far beyond. It's more psychological for me to allow for actual maintenance on days I need it and eventually incorporate periods of flexibility without needing to know the numbers, and just based on relying on satiety signaling without being "stuffed."2 -
Okay pals, how much do you reckon I should overshoot by?Nony_Mouse wrote: »I hear you. I usually don't log to bypass the ED bump in kcal .. seems I'm tied to numbers lol. Dysmorphia's a *kitten* and a half.
I'm not sure I can do that. I'd rather know I'm not going *that* far over.
In other news, doctor is giving me pred without even seeing me (I'd put in a repeat request for some more topicals that I'm almost out of, she emailed and said come in if it doesn't settle and we'll look at orals, I replied that I already have an appointment booked for next week and I think we're at that stage, she replied and said she'll add pred to the script for me to pick up today).
I generally like it when my doctor just complies with my request. She assumes I've done enough research, ha.
In terms of not logging, I generally don't even go that far beyond. It's more psychological for me to allow for actual maintenance on days I need it and eventually incorporate periods of flexibility without needing to know the numbers, and just based on relying on satiety signaling without being "stuffed."
The dumb thing is, I usually don't log when I'm in maintenance anyway. Don't know why I'm being so damn paranoid.1 -
If you lost an extra 1.5 lbs over the past four days, that's a rate of an extra 0.375 as a multiplier, if you want to math it out to a daily number to aim for.
At the rate you're going, it's 2.625lb/week, which is a weekly deficit of 9187.5kcal, or an extra loss of 1312kcal per day.
Optionally, you could incorporate the multiplier to your current calculated maintenance and add that result to your current intake.. which even at 2000kcal hypothetical maintenance is an additional 750kcal per day..
How hungry are you? Lol.
For sanity's sake, if you're actually trying to halt the loss, have the mid-week refeed.2 -
If you lost an extra 1.5 lbs over the past four days, that's a rate of an extra 0.375 as a multiplier, if you want to math it out to a daily number to aim for.
At the rate you're going, it's 2.625lb/week, which is a weekly deficit of 9187.5kcal, or an extra loss of 1312kcal per day.
Optionally, you could incorporate the multiplier to your current calculated maintenance and add that result to your current intake.. which even at 2000kcal hypothetical maintenance is an additional 750kcal per day..
How hungry are you? Lol.
I have nothing useful to say, except that I love this level of math.
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collectingblues wrote: »If you lost an extra 1.5 lbs over the past four days, that's a rate of an extra 0.375 as a multiplier, if you want to math it out to a daily number to aim for.
At the rate you're going, it's 2.625lb/week, which is a weekly deficit of 9187.5kcal, or an extra loss of 1312kcal per day.
Optionally, you could incorporate the multiplier to your current calculated maintenance and add that result to your current intake.. which even at 2000kcal hypothetical maintenance is an additional 750kcal per day..
How hungry are you? Lol.
I have nothing useful to say, except that I love this level of math.
Me too, even though i may as well be reading Arabic
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Err. Hikes Nony. Not everyday is hikes. And rash.
That said... bump it up a bit. I remember someone making an either/or choice a few days ago and me arguing for BOTH ;-)
If you've been eating to Fitbit maintenance... bump up by 10% of daily TDEE or 250 (or 350 if you're daring) and continue to monitor...3 -
If you lost an extra 1.5 lbs over the past four days, that's a rate of an extra 0.375 as a multiplier, if you want to math it out to a daily number to aim for.
At the rate you're going, it's 2.625lb/week, which is a weekly deficit of 9187.5kcal, or an extra loss of 1312kcal per day.
Optionally, you could incorporate the multiplier to your current calculated maintenance and add that result to your current intake.. which even at 2000kcal hypothetical maintenance is an additional 750kcal per day..
How hungry are you? Lol.
For sanity's sake, if you're actually trying to halt the loss, have the mid-week refeed.
Well, some of it may be residual fat loss from last week's hypothetical late phase luteal deficit. Who the hell knows?!! I could just roll with it and be at goal by the end of the week . There's also the possibility that some of it is water weight, though I don't feel dehydrated (and I am super sensitive to dehydration). But even if only half of it is eczema-generated, that's still a fair whack.
Energy level is not awesome today, but better than yesterday, so I am going to try to get through strength training, but that won't put me far above sedentary (which at my size is piss all in terms of cals).
Oh, and pred is catabolic. It's gonna eat ma muscles!! Though, probably not in ten days, but good incentive to up protein even more and train.1 -
Err. Hikes Nony. Not everyday is hikes. And rash.
That said... bump it up a bit. I remember someone making an either/or choice a few days ago and me arguing for BOTH ;-)
If you've been eating to Fitbit maintenance... bump up by 10% of daily TDEE or 250 (or 350 if you're daring) and continue to monitor...
Yes, but I have never had a mass drop like this from hiking...I really don't think my TDEE was out for that (or not by much). And really, it was more of a long walk, nothing technical about it, because old forestry roads, barely even a hill really...(600m elevation gain over entire walk).1 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »If you lost an extra 1.5 lbs over the past four days, that's a rate of an extra 0.375 as a multiplier, if you want to math it out to a daily number to aim for.
At the rate you're going, it's 2.625lb/week, which is a weekly deficit of 9187.5kcal, or an extra loss of 1312kcal per day.
Optionally, you could incorporate the multiplier to your current calculated maintenance and add that result to your current intake.. which even at 2000kcal hypothetical maintenance is an additional 750kcal per day..
How hungry are you? Lol.
For sanity's sake, if you're actually trying to halt the loss, have the mid-week refeed.
Well, some of it may be residual fat loss from last week's hypothetical late phase luteal deficit. Who the hell knows?!! I could just roll with it and be at goal by the end of the week . There's also the possibility that some of it is water weight, though I don't feel dehydrated (and I am super sensitive to dehydration). But even if only half of it is eczema-generated, that's still a fair whack.
Energy level is not awesome today, but better than yesterday, so I am going to try to get through strength training, but that won't put me far above sedentary (which at my size is piss all in terms of cals).
Oh, and pred is catabolic. It's gonna eat ma muscles!! Though, probably not in ten days, but good incentive to up protein even more and train.
Yeah a short stint on pred is fine
Overall, let's call the loss a residual catch-up from the past week + rash flare-up + water loss/fluid redistribution and excretion. Personally, I'd just bump up my protein to 1.5-2g/lb/lbm lol. That's my usual lever for recovery needs. 3 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »If you lost an extra 1.5 lbs over the past four days, that's a rate of an extra 0.375 as a multiplier, if you want to math it out to a daily number to aim for.
At the rate you're going, it's 2.625lb/week, which is a weekly deficit of 9187.5kcal, or an extra loss of 1312kcal per day.
Optionally, you could incorporate the multiplier to your current calculated maintenance and add that result to your current intake.. which even at 2000kcal hypothetical maintenance is an additional 750kcal per day..
How hungry are you? Lol.
For sanity's sake, if you're actually trying to halt the loss, have the mid-week refeed.
Well, some of it may be residual fat loss from last week's hypothetical late phase luteal deficit. Who the hell knows?!! I could just roll with it and be at goal by the end of the week . There's also the possibility that some of it is water weight, though I don't feel dehydrated (and I am super sensitive to dehydration). But even if only half of it is eczema-generated, that's still a fair whack.
Energy level is not awesome today, but better than yesterday, so I am going to try to get through strength training, but that won't put me far above sedentary (which at my size is piss all in terms of cals).
Oh, and pred is catabolic. It's gonna eat ma muscles!! Though, probably not in ten days, but good incentive to up protein even more and train.
Yeah a short stint on pred is fine Overall, let's call the loss a residual catch-up from the past week + rash flare-up + water loss/fluid redistribution and excretion. Personally, I'd just bump up my protein to 1.5-2g/lb/lbm lol. That's my usual lever for recovery needs.
Um, wanna take a guess at my lean body mass for me?? I'd guess me at around 25% BF
(legit if you want to, I can send you the link to my progress pics)2 -
Oh, and I did actually eat 200g of protein on Monday, which would be the 2g if I'm 25% BF.1
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