Of refeeds and diet breaks
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I've been reading this discuss as it goes along plus the information provided. Definitely going to reexamine refeeds, as prior it was only about a 2 day up to maintenance affair. Towards 8 weeks into a cut my joints start aching, but they don't when I'm in bulking mode. Wonder if a 2 week refeed would alleviate that. Guess I'll find out next spring.
Here's my little miss wondering why I stopped scratching behind her ears and what I was doing with my phone.
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I don't think I've posted a photo of Toby yet, just the twins when they were kittens.
And all three, Mario on the bean poof, Toby as close to Mandy as he can get
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piperdown44 wrote: »I've been reading this discuss as it goes along plus the information provided. Definitely going to reexamine refeeds, as prior it was only about a 2 day up to maintenance affair. Towards 8 weeks into a cut my joints start aching, but they don't when I'm in bulking mode. Wonder if a 2 week refeed would alleviate that. Guess I'll find out next spring.
Here's my little miss wondering why I stopped scratching behind her ears and what I was doing with my phone.
Gorgeous pup!!
And two weeks is a diet break
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This thread has been the best! Probably my most favourite, most informative AND cutest thread on MFP for a long time.
I have just come off a 2 week diet break, but mostly failed as i didn't always eat all of my exercise calories back, I still have a slight distrust in my fitbit, something i must get over and just take the plunge and eat them ALL back! I shall be weighing in tomorrow morning.
In other news, as I mentioned, our beloved Cleo passed away in April. For the the past couple of months Hubby as been at me to get another puppy, something i am vehemently against as i'm just not ready. But he wore me down and our new addition will be here first week in January. Our cat CoCo will be over the moon, she is NOT an independent cat and absolutely loves dogs and playing with them. I agreed to the new dog more for her sake than mine.
Pictures coming directly of baby "Nugget". (Jack Russell)6 -
I am an animal person through and through, but unfortunately my husband and daughter don't share my enthusiasm.
When the cats I brought into our marriage passed on from old age, that was it for pets for us, sadly.
I am living vicariously through the pictures you're all sharing in here.
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Christine_72 wrote: »This thread has been the best! Probably my most favourite, most informative AND cutest thread on MFP for a long time.
I have just come off a 2 week diet break, but mostly failed as i didn't always eat all of my exercise calories back, I still have a slight distrust in my fitbit, something i must get over and just take the plunge and eat them ALL back! I shall be weighing in tomorrow morning.
In other news, as I mentioned, our beloved Cleo passed away in April. For the the past couple of months Hubby as been at me to get another puppy, something i am vehemently against as i'm just not ready. But he wore me down and our new addition will be here first week in January. Our cat CoCo will be over the moon, she is NOT an independent cat and absolutely loves dogs and playing with them. I agreed to the new dog more for her sake than mine.
Pictures coming directly of baby "Nugget". (Jack Russell)
Yep. I'm still completely floored that it took off the way it did. I think a fair bit of credit is due to @anubis609 for bringing the science. And of course to the cats and dogs. And because so many people have been willing to give it a go and share their experiences. And I love that new people are still joining in all the time, it's not like we're just a little clique of the original posters and other people are being put off. Basically, we rock
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@piperdown44, anecdotally, I thought I'd share my experience with doing refeeds.
I have both psoriatic and osteo arthritis. I've been in a psoriatic arthritis flare since starting doing refeeds, but I will say this much: the symptoms I'm experiencing are better for doing the weekly refeeds than they had been when I was just doing constant deficit eating.
My flares can last a long time. I'm into about my sixth week on this one. I'm thinking of taking a full two week diet break around Christmas.2 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Archaeologist says celebrations have been food-centric for a very, very long time.
Speaking of food, I think today is going to be largely fruit and protein shakes. Two of the things I'd normally have as snacks at work are off the table (three, if you count the nixing of the recently introduced grapefruit), plus I'm just not that interested in eating anything else.
I can't argue with the archaeologist.. but I'm also under the impression that historical man people have usually been with their tribe/group for a large duration of their lives, or were they also like modern society where small groups/individuals stayed to themselves and members would gather from a distance to a singular meeting place?
In context, I'm trying to pin the obligation to gather among people where food became the escape from interaction, or that food became the primary focus with disregard for socialization.
Based on archaeological evidence, and off the top of my very non-functioning brain, it would appear that tribes would gather together for large celebrations/events (think harvest ceremonies, funerals, marriages between tribes...).
As to food being an escape from interaction/socialisation, alas one of those things not visible in the archaeological record! But I would say food was part of interaction/socialisation, and a very important part, often as a display of wealth. Or to appease the gods.
Thanks for appeasing my curiosity
I can conceptualize tribes gathering for celebrations, but as a display of wealth is definitely interesting. I suppose it's not much different now since I've witnessed face screaming matches about how to cook "the best" dish.. financial advantage was tossed around quite liberally among those arguments lol.piperdown44 wrote: »I've been reading this discuss as it goes along plus the information provided. Definitely going to reexamine refeeds, as prior it was only about a 2 day up to maintenance affair. Towards 8 weeks into a cut my joints start aching, but they don't when I'm in bulking mode. Wonder if a 2 week refeed would alleviate that. Guess I'll find out next spring.
Here's my little miss wondering why I stopped scratching behind her ears and what I was doing with my phone.
Think of traditional refeeds as a structured/planned carb overfeeding. Prolonged maintenance periods are technically considered breaks from rigid dieting.
From a physiological standpoint, any cut/deficit is going to be catabolic in nature, so joints tend to ache and recovery is generally crap just because there's not enough nutritional support to promote optimal repair. During a bulk/surplus period, there's more than enough substrate to mitigate tissue breakdown (anabolic by nature) and so we can also generally lift heavier during that time since energy availability is abundant.
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Just started a 2 week diet break as I've not lost anything for over a month (after losing 89lbs so far).
Finding it really difficult to eat my maintainance cals & resorted to popcirn tonight. So i currently feel guilty for the popcorn, but good fir hitting maintainance2 -
Right then, so in the name of trying to encourage anybody on this board who is still scared of the idea of temporarily upping calories, let's gloss my case as: 2 week break, ate over maintenance, and even despite having a weak deficit in the first week back post-break still whooshed like a mother.As far as addressing the benefit of having a full diet break go beyond 2 weeks, yes, there's a real benefit to having an "indefinite" break.. and that's lifetime maintenance. The ultimate goal for most. Trying to pinpoint a daily maintenance number is a bit of a hat trick since it's a moving target and each day is more or less variable, depending on your daily activity, stress level, cycle, etc. So take the average of what you're eating, compare it to an objective metric (scale weight/measurements/clothes/visual assessment/etc) and depending on the outcome, you adjust intake accordingly to add to that running average.
Thank you both. Continuing to absorb this concept. Still aiming for onederland by year's end but I think I will take a one-month break in January regardless. Eat at maintenance level and see what happens.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »This thread has been the best! Probably my most favourite, most informative AND cutest thread on MFP for a long time.
I have just come off a 2 week diet break, but mostly failed as i didn't always eat all of my exercise calories back, I still have a slight distrust in my fitbit, something i must get over and just take the plunge and eat them ALL back! I shall be weighing in tomorrow morning.
In other news, as I mentioned, our beloved Cleo passed away in April. For the the past couple of months Hubby as been at me to get another puppy, something i am vehemently against as i'm just not ready. But he wore me down and our new addition will be here first week in January. Our cat CoCo will be over the moon, she is NOT an independent cat and absolutely loves dogs and playing with them. I agreed to the new dog more for her sake than mine.
Pictures coming directly of baby "Nugget". (Jack Russell)
Yep. I'm still completely floored that it took off the way it did. I think a fair bit of credit is due to @anubis609 for bringing the science. And of course to the cats and dogs. And because so many people have been willing to give it a go and share their experiences. And I love that new people are still joining in all the time, it's not like we're just a little clique of the original posters and other people are being put off. Basically, we rock
I'll take a tiny bit of it.. I'm certainly not an expert in any sense of the word, but I also don't know when to shut up
I'm also glad a lot of others have chimed in with their experiences and interest in the thread. If anything, it breaks from traditional stepladder dieting strategies. They have their place in the early stages, but just like training and sports, the more advanced you become, the more specific your focus becomes.3 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Archaeologist says celebrations have been food-centric for a very, very long time.
Speaking of food, I think today is going to be largely fruit and protein shakes. Two of the things I'd normally have as snacks at work are off the table (three, if you count the nixing of the recently introduced grapefruit), plus I'm just not that interested in eating anything else.
I can't argue with the archaeologist.. but I'm also under the impression that historical man people have usually been with their tribe/group for a large duration of their lives, or were they also like modern society where small groups/individuals stayed to themselves and members would gather from a distance to a singular meeting place?
In context, I'm trying to pin the obligation to gather among people where food became the escape from interaction, or that food became the primary focus with disregard for socialization.
Based on archaeological evidence, and off the top of my very non-functioning brain, it would appear that tribes would gather together for large celebrations/events (think harvest ceremonies, funerals, marriages between tribes...).
As to food being an escape from interaction/socialisation, alas one of those things not visible in the archaeological record! But I would say food was part of interaction/socialisation, and a very important part, often as a display of wealth. Or to appease the gods.
Thanks for appeasing my curiosity I can conceptualize tribes gathering for celebrations, but as a display of wealth is definitely interesting. I suppose it's not much different now since I've witnessed face screaming matches about how to cook "the best" dish.. financial advantage was tossed around quite liberally among those arguments lol.
Display of wealth stuff is really cool. Have a look into the Potlatch ceremony - http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Potlatch#The_Traditional_Ceremonypiperdown44 wrote: »I've been reading this discuss as it goes along plus the information provided. Definitely going to reexamine refeeds, as prior it was only about a 2 day up to maintenance affair. Towards 8 weeks into a cut my joints start aching, but they don't when I'm in bulking mode. Wonder if a 2 week refeed would alleviate that. Guess I'll find out next spring.
Here's my little miss wondering why I stopped scratching behind her ears and what I was doing with my phone.Think of traditional refeeds as a structured/planned carb overfeeding. Prolonged maintenance periods are technically considered breaks from rigid dieting.
From a physiological standpoint, any cut/deficit is going to be catabolic in nature, so joints tend to ache and recovery is generally crap just because there's not enough nutritional support to promote optimal repair. During a bulk/surplus period, there's more than enough substrate to mitigate tissue breakdown (anabolic by nature) and so we can also generally lift heavier during that time since energy availability is abundant.
+1 for the pupper!
So I'm right that being on a diet break during an eczema flare is a good thing, in terms of repair. Funnily though, my last big flare was during my first diet break. It had nothing on this sucker though. Pretty sure I'm at referral to dermatologist stage.1 -
purplebobkat wrote: »Just started a 2 week diet break as I've not lost anything for over a month (after losing 89lbs so far).
Finding it really difficult to eat my maintainance cals & resorted to popcirn tonight. So i currently feel guilty for the popcorn, but good fir hitting maintainance
Do not feel guilty There is naught wrong with popcorn. 7 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »This thread has been the best! Probably my most favourite, most informative AND cutest thread on MFP for a long time.
I have just come off a 2 week diet break, but mostly failed as i didn't always eat all of my exercise calories back, I still have a slight distrust in my fitbit, something i must get over and just take the plunge and eat them ALL back! I shall be weighing in tomorrow morning.
In other news, as I mentioned, our beloved Cleo passed away in April. For the the past couple of months Hubby as been at me to get another puppy, something i am vehemently against as i'm just not ready. But he wore me down and our new addition will be here first week in January. Our cat CoCo will be over the moon, she is NOT an independent cat and absolutely loves dogs and playing with them. I agreed to the new dog more for her sake than mine.
Pictures coming directly of baby "Nugget". (Jack Russell)
Yep. I'm still completely floored that it took off the way it did. I think a fair bit of credit is due to @anubis609 for bringing the science. And of course to the cats and dogs. And because so many people have been willing to give it a go and share their experiences. And I love that new people are still joining in all the time, it's not like we're just a little clique of the original posters and other people are being put off. Basically, we rock
I'll take a tiny bit of it.. I'm certainly not an expert in any sense of the word, but I also don't know when to shut up
I'm also glad a lot of others have chimed in with their experiences and interest in the thread. If anything, it breaks from traditional stepladder dieting strategies. They have their place in the early stages, but just like training and sports, the more advanced you become, the more specific your focus becomes.
Neither do I!! 4 -
I am back from my evening of eating and ice skating! We went to a fancy restaurant (The Ivy for anyone who follows celeb gossip but not the famous branch) that was right next to Tower Bridge and we had a window table so got the glory of the view. The food was good and because it's a fancy restaurant they were what a proper portion should be, not a bucket of food.
So in the end I had a buttload of calories left because 12.5k steps with some of those being 1 solid hour of ice skating. And up and down a billion flights of stairs. Might have stopped at the shop for chocolate and cookies.
And my skating skills are apparently still there, even after a 15 year break! Was really really fun. Early in the season and a work day meant it was nice and quiet too. A really fun way to burn some calories and work dem glutes.
Pretty bridge with pretty drink (non-alcoholic).
Look at me go!
Gratuitous Bridge shot.
And we'll be here all night if I share cat pics. Unless I can find one with the three current residents.
None with all three recent. This is Horatio (new asshat) and Chilli (matriarch).
And then there's Betty former feral and her bestie Dave, who we lost in December last year. I didn't think anyone could surpass Dave on the asshat scale. Turns out the universe decided to challenge that belief and sent me Horatio.....
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Oh and what I actually came in here to say after catching up. Have had a small-ish whoosh. I want more but I'll take what I'm given at this point!7
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Dammit, I wanna know what @Christine_72 said!5
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Christine_72 wrote: »This thread has been the best! Probably my most favourite, most informative AND cutest thread on MFP for a long time.
I have just come off a 2 week diet break, but mostly failed as i didn't always eat all of my exercise calories back, I still have a slight distrust in my fitbit, something i must get over and just take the plunge and eat them ALL back! I shall be weighing in tomorrow morning.
In other news, as I mentioned, our beloved Cleo passed away in April. For the the past couple of months Hubby as been at me to get another puppy, something i am vehemently against as i'm just not ready. But he wore me down and our new addition will be here first week in January. Our cat CoCo will be over the moon, she is NOT an independent cat and absolutely loves dogs and playing with them. I agreed to the new dog more for her sake than mine.
Pictures coming directly of baby "Nugget". (Jack Russell)
This is my 2nd favorite thread... only behind the one i created that violates every single rule on MFP. 5 -
Christine_72 wrote: »This thread has been the best! Probably my most favourite, most informative AND cutest thread on MFP for a long time.
I have just come off a 2 week diet break, but mostly failed as i didn't always eat all of my exercise calories back, I still have a slight distrust in my fitbit, something i must get over and just take the plunge and eat them ALL back! I shall be weighing in tomorrow morning.
In other news, as I mentioned, our beloved Cleo passed away in April. For the the past couple of months Hubby as been at me to get another puppy, something i am vehemently against as i'm just not ready. But he wore me down and our new addition will be here first week in January. Our cat CoCo will be over the moon, she is NOT an independent cat and absolutely loves dogs and playing with them. I agreed to the new dog more for her sake than mine.
Pictures coming directly of baby "Nugget". (Jack Russell)
This is my 2nd favorite thread... only behind the one i created that violates every single rule on MFP.
Does this still exist??2 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »This thread has been the best! Probably my most favourite, most informative AND cutest thread on MFP for a long time.
I have just come off a 2 week diet break, but mostly failed as i didn't always eat all of my exercise calories back, I still have a slight distrust in my fitbit, something i must get over and just take the plunge and eat them ALL back! I shall be weighing in tomorrow morning.
In other news, as I mentioned, our beloved Cleo passed away in April. For the the past couple of months Hubby as been at me to get another puppy, something i am vehemently against as i'm just not ready. But he wore me down and our new addition will be here first week in January. Our cat CoCo will be over the moon, she is NOT an independent cat and absolutely loves dogs and playing with them. I agreed to the new dog more for her sake than mine.
Pictures coming directly of baby "Nugget". (Jack Russell)
This is my 2nd favorite thread... only behind the one i created that violates every single rule on MFP.
Does this still exist??
Its in a very dark place within the forums.3 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »This thread has been the best! Probably my most favourite, most informative AND cutest thread on MFP for a long time.
I have just come off a 2 week diet break, but mostly failed as i didn't always eat all of my exercise calories back, I still have a slight distrust in my fitbit, something i must get over and just take the plunge and eat them ALL back! I shall be weighing in tomorrow morning.
In other news, as I mentioned, our beloved Cleo passed away in April. For the the past couple of months Hubby as been at me to get another puppy, something i am vehemently against as i'm just not ready. But he wore me down and our new addition will be here first week in January. Our cat CoCo will be over the moon, she is NOT an independent cat and absolutely loves dogs and playing with them. I agreed to the new dog more for her sake than mine.
Pictures coming directly of baby "Nugget". (Jack Russell)
This is my 2nd favorite thread... only behind the one i created that violates every single rule on MFP.
Does this still exist??
Its in a very dark place within the forums.
Hmmm, bored, itchy, miserable girl may need to go search!4 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »This thread has been the best! Probably my most favourite, most informative AND cutest thread on MFP for a long time.
I have just come off a 2 week diet break, but mostly failed as i didn't always eat all of my exercise calories back, I still have a slight distrust in my fitbit, something i must get over and just take the plunge and eat them ALL back! I shall be weighing in tomorrow morning.
In other news, as I mentioned, our beloved Cleo passed away in April. For the the past couple of months Hubby as been at me to get another puppy, something i am vehemently against as i'm just not ready. But he wore me down and our new addition will be here first week in January. Our cat CoCo will be over the moon, she is NOT an independent cat and absolutely loves dogs and playing with them. I agreed to the new dog more for her sake than mine.
Pictures coming directly of baby "Nugget". (Jack Russell)
This is my 2nd favorite thread... only behind the one i created that violates every single rule on MFP.
Does this still exist??
Its in a very dark place within the forums.
Hmmm, bored, itchy, miserable girl may need to go search!
You wont find it unless you are a mod. Christine was a mod.2 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »This thread has been the best! Probably my most favourite, most informative AND cutest thread on MFP for a long time.
I have just come off a 2 week diet break, but mostly failed as i didn't always eat all of my exercise calories back, I still have a slight distrust in my fitbit, something i must get over and just take the plunge and eat them ALL back! I shall be weighing in tomorrow morning.
In other news, as I mentioned, our beloved Cleo passed away in April. For the the past couple of months Hubby as been at me to get another puppy, something i am vehemently against as i'm just not ready. But he wore me down and our new addition will be here first week in January. Our cat CoCo will be over the moon, she is NOT an independent cat and absolutely loves dogs and playing with them. I agreed to the new dog more for her sake than mine.
Pictures coming directly of baby "Nugget". (Jack Russell)
This is my 2nd favorite thread... only behind the one i created that violates every single rule on MFP.
Does this still exist??
Its in a very dark place within the forums.
Hmmm, bored, itchy, miserable girl may need to go search!
You wont find it unless you are a mod. Christine was a mod.
Dammit, I suspected it might be in *that* forum. Can I be a mod for, like, an hour?3 -
Oh, @VintageFeline , what wonderful pictures of London! I'm one of those Americans who sees England in a haze of legend and fantasy -- thank you for indulging a bit of wistful yearning for glamour. Your menagerie is pretty gorgeous, too!
Today is first day back to deficit. Also first day back at the pool for a week -- water aerobics and lap swimming is at the local high school natatorium, and since school was out for the Thanksgiving holiday, there was no pool. I didn't realize how much I missed swimming! 45 minutes of aerobics and 14 laps, and I came home absolutely famished. Had eggs and ham and cheese for breakfast, and still wanted a protein shake later in the afternoon.
I ended the break 1.5 lb up from when I began, but I feel leaner. My rings are spinning around my fingers and my jeans are definitely looser, and I can very much see a change in my face. Haven't had any cravings at all. I have a whole four days of BG data -- SCIENCE! -- and I'm crunching 14 days' worth of numbers to see what I can see.
Plus -- drumroll, please -- I present Thaddeus and Dinah, puppers extraordinaire. They don't do the "staying calm" thing very well, but every now and then . . .
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Lol @Nony_Mouse It was an evil rant against all you mean people!!!!
No, no, no I tried posting pics of the new pup from my phone and it didn't work properly, so i deleted it. I'm back on my pc now, so will try again5 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Lol @Nony_Mouse It was an evil rant against all you mean people!!!!
No, no, no I tried posting pics of the new pup from my phone and it didn't work properly, so i deleted it. I'm back on my pc now, so will try again
Lol.3 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Lol @Nony_Mouse It was an evil rant against all you mean people!!!!
No, no, no I tried posting pics of the new pup from my phone and it didn't work properly, so i deleted it. I'm back on my pc now, so will try again
Excellent. Puppy pics will cheer me up 2 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »This thread has been the best! Probably my most favourite, most informative AND cutest thread on MFP for a long time.
I have just come off a 2 week diet break, but mostly failed as i didn't always eat all of my exercise calories back, I still have a slight distrust in my fitbit, something i must get over and just take the plunge and eat them ALL back! I shall be weighing in tomorrow morning.
In other news, as I mentioned, our beloved Cleo passed away in April. For the the past couple of months Hubby as been at me to get another puppy, something i am vehemently against as i'm just not ready. But he wore me down and our new addition will be here first week in January. Our cat CoCo will be over the moon, she is NOT an independent cat and absolutely loves dogs and playing with them. I agreed to the new dog more for her sake than mine.
Pictures coming directly of baby "Nugget". (Jack Russell)
This is my 2nd favorite thread... only behind the one i created that violates every single rule on MFP.
Does this still exist??
Its in a very dark place within the forums.
That reminds me I created a group a long time ago. I opened it up to degenerates, I stopped checking it after a week and about a month after its inception, it died a quick horrific death. It's still rotting in the archives lol.3 -
Oh, @VintageFeline , what wonderful pictures of London! I'm one of those Americans who sees England in a haze of legend and fantasy -- thank you for indulging a bit of wistful yearning for glamour. Your menagerie is pretty gorgeous, too!
Today is first day back to deficit. Also first day back at the pool for a week -- water aerobics and lap swimming is at the local high school natatorium, and since school was out for the Thanksgiving holiday, there was no pool. I didn't realize how much I missed swimming! 45 minutes of aerobics and 14 laps, and I came home absolutely famished. Had eggs and ham and cheese for breakfast, and still wanted a protein shake later in the afternoon.
I ended the break 1.5 lb up from when I began, but I feel leaner. My rings are spinning around my fingers and my jeans are definitely looser, and I can very much see a change in my face. Haven't had any cravings at all. I have a whole four days of BG data -- SCIENCE! -- and I'm crunching 14 days' worth of numbers to see what I can see.
Plus -- drumroll, please -- I present Thaddeus and Dinah, puppers extraordinaire. They don't do the "staying calm" thing very well, but every now and then . . .
Data and doggos. It sounds like a good time!
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