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  • livingleanlivingclean
    livingleanlivingclean Posts: 11,751 Member
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    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    anubis609 wrote: »
    To your first point.. yes, actually lol. Bonus points if you made your protein cheesecake with fat free Greek yogurt, non/lowfat cream cheese, non-nutritive sweetener of choice + peanut butter whey protein + powdered peanut butter, mixed it, chilled it, then drizzled sugar free chocolate syrup on top before serving.

    Any guesses to what I'm making for dessert? Haha.

    I have not yet made protein cheesecake, but I was thinking it might be on the menu that day (with a trial run prior). Sadly powdered peanut butter is not a thing here. May have to go with strawberry protein powder and use some carbs on real strawberries on top ;)

    Surely pb2 (or an alternative) has made it to NZ? If not... You could order it online. I get lots of stuff from iherb :)
  • VintageFeline
    VintageFeline Posts: 6,771 Member
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    anubis609 wrote: »
    Here in the states, we get the gluttonous luxury of Thanksgiving > Christmas > New years.. the "trifecta" of confections. Just wedge a trip to Las Vegas right before Christmas, and there's my holiday trap.

    Your winter wonderland sounds festive! I'll have you know that banana Nutella crepes is one of my favorite things ever. I imagine I'd be filling up on brats, sauerkraut, and crepes... and lager. Ha

    I do celebrate Canadian Thanksgiving, though there was a 4 year hiatus whilst Canadian friend retrained as a midwife. But that's just one day, well two because everyone gets sent home with leftovers and because I'm special and demanding I got two slices of her amazing pumpkin pie.

    And yes there will be brats and beer and mulled wine and no doubt other goodies. The park is literally a five minute walk too so if ever I can't be bothered cooking in December...........
  • VintageFeline
    VintageFeline Posts: 6,771 Member
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    Christine_72 wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    I'm still optimistic about being at goal for Xmas, but I highly doubt that day will be maintenance cals, even if I drag my butt up the big hill in the morning before deck slothing begins.

    You would think summer Xmas would make it easier calorie-wise, but nope. We are a British colony at heart, and as much as most people have ditched the big roast dinners for BBQs, there's still plenty of puddingy goodies that must be eaten. Yes, fruit mince pies, I am talking about you.

    I would totally boycott Christmas if my family decided to do a barbeque... WTF??!!

    We can have a barbie any day of the year. Christmas requires traditional Christmassy foods :smile:

    I have done an NZ Christmas and it was indeed a barbecue. Felt absolutely nothing like Christmas and it's really really weird seeing everything decked out in lights and decorations in spring/summer.
  • anubis609
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    psuLemon wrote: »
    anubis609 wrote: »
    To your first point.. yes, actually lol. Bonus points if you made your protein cheesecake with fat free Greek yogurt, non/lowfat cream cheese, non-nutritive sweetener of choice + peanut butter whey protein + powdered peanut butter, mixed it, chilled it, then drizzled sugar free chocolate syrup on top before serving.

    Any guesses to what I'm making for dessert? Haha.

    Ironically, theproteinchef.co has some good high protein low fat cheesecakes. I made the pumpkin one last week and loved it. Topped with cool whip and nutmeg... super yummy.

    Oh hell yes, thanks for the link!
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,411 MFP Moderator
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    I cant wait for thanskgiving... i am going to tear up some lamb and fried turkey. That day is going to be my *kitten*!!!
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
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    livingleanlivingclean wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    anubis609 wrote: »
    To your first point.. yes, actually lol. Bonus points if you made your protein cheesecake with fat free Greek yogurt, non/lowfat cream cheese, non-nutritive sweetener of choice + peanut butter whey protein + powdered peanut butter, mixed it, chilled it, then drizzled sugar free chocolate syrup on top before serving.

    Any guesses to what I'm making for dessert? Haha.

    I have not yet made protein cheesecake, but I was thinking it might be on the menu that day (with a trial run prior). Sadly powdered peanut butter is not a thing here. May have to go with strawberry protein powder and use some carbs on real strawberries on top ;)

    Surely pb2 (or an alternative) has made it to NZ? If not... You could order it online. I get lots of stuff from iherb :)

    Yeah, I could order it online, but I don't really care enough. If I want PB, I'll have actual PB :)
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
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    VintageFeline wrote: »
    Christine_72 wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    I'm still optimistic about being at goal for Xmas, but I highly doubt that day will be maintenance cals, even if I drag my butt up the big hill in the morning before deck slothing begins.

    You would think summer Xmas would make it easier calorie-wise, but nope. We are a British colony at heart, and as much as most people have ditched the big roast dinners for BBQs, there's still plenty of puddingy goodies that must be eaten. Yes, fruit mince pies, I am talking about you.

    I would totally boycott Christmas if my family decided to do a barbeque... WTF??!!

    We can have a barbie any day of the year. Christmas requires traditional Christmassy foods :smile:

    I have done an NZ Christmas and it was indeed a barbecue. Felt absolutely nothing like Christmas and it's really really weird seeing everything decked out in lights and decorations in spring/summer.

    It was even weirder as a kid, when absolutely everything was still geared to it being a winter thing.

    Now we just do stuff like this:

    https://youtu.be/QmfIfqZc-jE
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
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    psuLemon wrote: »
    anubis609 wrote: »
    To your first point.. yes, actually lol. Bonus points if you made your protein cheesecake with fat free Greek yogurt, non/lowfat cream cheese, non-nutritive sweetener of choice + peanut butter whey protein + powdered peanut butter, mixed it, chilled it, then drizzled sugar free chocolate syrup on top before serving.

    Any guesses to what I'm making for dessert? Haha.

    Ironically, theproteinchef.co has some good high protein low fat cheesecakes. I made the pumpkin one last week and loved it. Topped with cool whip and nutmeg... super yummy.

    @GottaBurnEmAll knows what i am talking about.

    The protein cheesecake that's all the rage on here is pretty much the protein chef's recipe anyway.

    I've made that pumpkin protein cheesecake of his. It's phenomenal. I might have to make it again.

    I've also made a peanut butter version of the basic protein cheesecake. Also delicious.

    As far as holidays go, I plan on letting the hounds of hell loose on Thanksgiving and Christmas days themselves and being compliant with either deficit or maintenance calories (depending on what I'm doing around those days) on all the other days in between. We don't really do anything for New Years and I don't drink so none of that is a factor.

    I figure two days of not really worrying aren't going to be the end of the world, and honestly? If you count those against the streak I have going now of not having binged, I'm ahead of the game. Especially if this set of variables I have in place is indeed the answer to my binging problem. Fingers crossed.

  • VintageFeline
    VintageFeline Posts: 6,771 Member
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    Oh, they inflicted Ronan on you. I'm sorry. Although he's Irish so not technically "ours".
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
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    VintageFeline wrote: »
    Christine_72 wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    I'm still optimistic about being at goal for Xmas, but I highly doubt that day will be maintenance cals, even if I drag my butt up the big hill in the morning before deck slothing begins.

    You would think summer Xmas would make it easier calorie-wise, but nope. We are a British colony at heart, and as much as most people have ditched the big roast dinners for BBQs, there's still plenty of puddingy goodies that must be eaten. Yes, fruit mince pies, I am talking about you.

    I would totally boycott Christmas if my family decided to do a barbeque... WTF??!!

    We can have a barbie any day of the year. Christmas requires traditional Christmassy foods :smile:

    I have done an NZ Christmas and it was indeed a barbecue. Felt absolutely nothing like Christmas and it's really really weird seeing everything decked out in lights and decorations in spring/summer.

    I would love to have a white Christmas! Last year we sat around the pool most of the day, couldn't eat outside due to all the blow fly's buzzing about lol I would imagine most Europeans visiting would be mortified by our Christmas weather :lol:
    I'm the only one in my family born here, parents are German and both my brother and sister were born over there. My mum has hung on to her German traditions.... Thankfully.
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
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    Christine_72 wrote: »
    VintageFeline wrote: »
    Christine_72 wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    I'm still optimistic about being at goal for Xmas, but I highly doubt that day will be maintenance cals, even if I drag my butt up the big hill in the morning before deck slothing begins.

    You would think summer Xmas would make it easier calorie-wise, but nope. We are a British colony at heart, and as much as most people have ditched the big roast dinners for BBQs, there's still plenty of puddingy goodies that must be eaten. Yes, fruit mince pies, I am talking about you.

    I would totally boycott Christmas if my family decided to do a barbeque... WTF??!!

    We can have a barbie any day of the year. Christmas requires traditional Christmassy foods :smile:

    I have done an NZ Christmas and it was indeed a barbecue. Felt absolutely nothing like Christmas and it's really really weird seeing everything decked out in lights and decorations in spring/summer.

    I would love to have a white Christmas! Last year we sat around the pool most of the day, couldn't eat outside due to all the blow fly's buzzing about lol I would imagine most Europeans visiting would be mortified by our Christmas weather :lol:
    I'm the only one in my family born here, parents are German and both my brother and sister were born over there. My mum has hung on to her German traditions.... Thankfully.

    I'm generally mortified by our Christmas weather, it's meant to be summer dammit!!!
  • VintageFeline
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    We virtually never get a white Christmas, even rarer here in the south of England. Back in the motherland (Scotland) I had more but I was in central Scotland. The further north you go the more likely it is. Kind of obviously. We haven't even had decent snow in about 4 years and I love me a bit of snow.
  • bioklutz
    bioklutz Posts: 1,365 Member
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    Hmmmmmm BBQ. I am pro BBQ for Christmas, that sounds fantastic!

    I normally do weights Sunday, Monday, Wednesday and Thursday. I may need to swap my schedule around Thanksgiving week to take advantage of the over-eating! Or maybe I should just save leftover day for Saturday!
  • Nony_Mouse
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    Yep, last year I decorated the windows and glass door to my lab/office with paper snowflakes. I will probably do the same again this year, cos paper snowflakes!

    And apparently there is a secret squirrel on the down low project Christmas party. Apparently I also need a Hawaiian shirt for this event.
  • Luna3386
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    We've already had several snows here so I'm guessing a white Christmas. I had a friend from NZ who was so excited for a winter Christmas. Oh course she lived in South Carolina which isn't the snowiest part of the US but it was still enough of a change and she was happy.

    I was supposed to be at the beach this week but vacation was cancelled. I was greatly looking forward to that before our long winter of really short days sets it. It's all fun until the holidays are over but then it's 3 solid months of coldness and boredom.

    I'm not expecting to go overboard eating. Unfortunately it just makes me feel very sick. The one blessing of that is it's helped me think before eating.

    @VintageFeline you said this, " I am hoping this Christmas is the last one I need to be thinking about deficits. "
    I want to say the same thing but I don't know if that's realistic. I'd love to hit goal in 2018!
  • MegaMooseEsq
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    anubis609 wrote: »
    MegaMooseEsq wrote: »
    Nony_Mouse wrote: »
    anubis609 wrote: »
    Since the holidays are coming up I figured I should share some of the more interesting articles that are relevant to refeeds/diet breaks that correlate with .. well, if I'm going to be honest, absolute remorseless holiday indulgence... at least in my case lol

    http://www.leangains.com/2010/11/cheat-day-strategies-for-hedonist.html
    and
    http://www.leangains.com/2010/07/truth-about-alcohol-fat-loss-and-muscle.html

    Lyle's version: https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/10-tips-to-deal-with-holiday-weight-gain.html/

    Shoutout to @psuLemon for reminding me about leangains strategies

    So if I drink vodka and soda, I can eat my bodyweight in protein cheesecake on Christmas day and be sweet, right?? :p

    Jks, my day will be spent sitting on my deck/in the back garden in the sun, eating, drinking and making merry with my eldest niece, and not caring about calories in the least :)

    Okay brilliant science people, I assume the comment above is referring to this part of the second link: "Alcohol is labeled as 7.1 calories per gram, but the real value is more along the lines of 5.7 calories due to the thermic effect of food (TEF) which is 20% of the ingested calories. This makes the TEF of alcohol a close second to protein (20-35% depending on amino acid composition)."

    I've always assumed that calorie counts on nutrition labels at least attempted to take into account TEF. Is this not the case across the board? Or do different rules apply to alcohol calorie labeling? Or am I misreading this somehow?

    For the most part, macro calories were made in an attempt to predict the initial thermic effect after heat was applied in a calorimeter and adjusted for nitrogen loss, but metabolized nutrients undergo further processing by the body that can't be predicted or exactly calculated. Alcohol metabolism can't exactly be tested in lab on humans due to ethics; e.g. "we're gonna get you drinking X amount of alcohol/day and compare it to people who think they're drinking alcohol, but are just getting something else we told them was alcohol.. just sign here to waive your liver health" :D

    Here's a long but enjoyable explanation, at least in the first part of the article: http://physiqonomics.com/calories/

    Thanks for the explanation - that makes sense! I would also think that it would be almost impossible to keep your subjects from realizing who's getting alcohol and who isn't. I mean, the effect is pretty distinct! I'm curious because I'm not exactly what you'd call a moderate drinker, and I've found over more than a year of fairly close tracking that I've generally lost weight faster than I would have expected. I've looked at my logging to see if I was overestimating, adjusted my calories up, and ultimately concluded that my BMR/NEAT is just on the high side. Now I'm wondering how much my alcohol calories (which I also log pretty religiously) may have been skewing my overall numbers.
  • SpanishFusion
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    CynthiasChoice wrote: »
    For anyone interested, here's my post diet break results: 4.2 pound loss in 3.5 weeks!

    Oct. 9 - Starting weight, day one of diet break: 168.7
    Oct 14 - High weight during break: 170.4
    Oct. 22 - Ending weight, day 14 of diet break: 168.7
    Oct 30 - 166.2 (2.5 pounds in one week!)
    Nov. 7 - 166.9 (after house guests for 7 days, eating an average of 200 below TDEE)
    Nov 12 - 165.6
    Nov 15 - 164.5


    I think this is pretty impressive, especially since the last 25 days average to a 327 calorie per day deficit according to MFP, and a 287 calorie per day deficit according to my own pre diet break calculations.

    The math doesn't add up. My TDEE must be much higher now?
    My 25 day average after diet break was 1363 calories. That means my TDEE is 1863+!

    I know that 3 weeks of data can't be relied on, but if my weight loss rate continues the same till Christmas, I'll need to eat even more on my holiday diet break than I did on my first diet break.

    I hope others will be open to sharing their post diet break results. I'm curious!



    That is great! I ended up my first DB Sunday. Today it looks like I'm back to pre-DB weight, so hopefully things will look good next Monday!

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