Wheat Belly
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Carlos_421 wrote: »Lavelle1980 wrote: »I'm started on this for about 2 weeks. Plant base and grain free. from my only personal experience. I noticed my energy level is back. I had fog brain for months and couldn't figure it out. I'm gluten sensitive as well. Lost 8lbs in 2 weeks. I couldn't really loose anything eating grains and being vegan.
And I'm not as hungry nor sugar cravings. I replaced my grains with root vegetables instead for the filling. It may not work for everyone but it works for me. I'd say just try out for 7 days, take notes and either love it or hate it.
As for me, I'm loving the feeling again.
1-10 rating. w/ 10 being the highest
Energy before - 1
Energy after - 6
Success with toning before - 3
Success with toning after - 7
Mental focus/clarity before - 2
Mental focus/clarity after - 6
Testosterone drive before - 4
Testosterone drive after - 7
Reasons for trying it? Energy and mental focus. I noticed I don't process grains to well, so I needed something different. Again, not for everyone, if you're fine with bread and wheat/ then go for it. but for me , it's been working w/in the 2 week period. I noticed the changes during the 4th day. Detox symptoms were slightly noticeable but not too bad.
Testosterone drive? Do you mean that your testosterone levels have improved (as in you've had blood work done) or that your libido has increased? These aren't the same thing.
Have your sleep habits improved?
I guess this isn't going to be answered. The reason I asked is because improved sleep could result in the types of improvements you described.2 -
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OliveGirl128 wrote: »I've read it, along with Grain Brain, and I thought they were both rubbish. I eat 5-6 servings of grains a day, following the DASH protocol, and I'm in excellent health and have a current bmi that's under a 20. My stomach is also completely flat (like 24 inches circumference flat).
eta: here's my 'wheat belly' (just took this). I eat grains/wheat every single day
I understand what you are trying to get across but you are kind of missing the point. Wheat is not always about weight gain for several reasons -
1. Some people are insulin resistant, others are not. Insuling resistance is what causes wait gain, not wheat per se. Have you been tested?
2. Flat tummy does not mean healthy. Have you had your vitamin, thyroid and NMR cholesterol levels tested as those are the kind of things that MEASURE health?
3. Wheat causes inflammation, this is not an opinion and is science fact, 5 secs searching on Google Scholar will keep you busy for a few months. Have you had you hsCRP tested just to make sure you are in great health?
4. Wheat causes leaky gut syndrome by signalling a chemical called Zonulin (Go on Google it, I will wait) which, very simplistically, damages the bond between intestinal cell walls allowing food and bacteria to directly enter the blood stream causing an inflammatory response. And whilst a lot of people are 'healthy' now, the stage has been set for future long-term health issues. Think of it like putting a cup full of diesel in a petrol car for 20 yrs. Initially it wont make any difference to the engine, but over time the damage will occur and it's irreversible. Just like your body. Have you been tested?
5. Being skinny does not mean healthy, please Google TOFI in relation to metabolic syndrome. My father had a heart attack at 56yo and was always slim and 'healthy' with normal cholesterol numbers!
6. BMI is nothing more than a mathematical formula, it literally just states the ratio of your weight in kgs divided by your height in metres squared. It means absolutely nothing for health. Any doctor that uses it is 30 yrs out of date with their research. I am 6'1", around 12% body fat, huge thighs from squats, cycling and running and yet just into the overweight category. My mother is about 2 stone overweight and sits around 23 for her BMI. It does not take into account lean body mass or excess fat, hence why the research for the last 30 yrs has shunned it as anything even remotely useful.
7. Wheat and most grains produce phytates which cause your body to leach vitamins and minerals. This causes tiny but in perceivable changed in your body chemistry and fuels illness in later life or in the case of teeth, in fairly early life. How many cavities do you have? If you want to read more then Weston A Price has widely researched and spoken about these issues.
8. Grains produce so little in terms of nutrition in a micro and macro nutrient level when compared to organic vegetables, fruit and grass-fed meat. Again, have a look at google scholar, not a random blog.
I absolutely get your mindset as it is rammed down our throat from a very young age, but it is fuelled by flawed science or conflicts of interest. Your thought process is based on now proven inaccuracies from research carried out somewhere between 70 and 20 yrs ago and the overwhelming majority that is paid for by big agra. Do your health a huge favour and read the scientific research that is peer-reviewed AND that is not paid for by someone with an agenda or conflict of interest; after all your health depends on it.
I need my bed now, but if you want references then let me know, or feel free to PM me.27 -
pumasareace wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »I've read it, along with Grain Brain, and I thought they were both rubbish. I eat 5-6 servings of grains a day, following the DASH protocol, and I'm in excellent health and have a current bmi that's under a 20. My stomach is also completely flat (like 24 inches circumference flat).
eta: here's my 'wheat belly' (just took this). I eat grains/wheat every single day
I understand what you are trying to get across but you are kind of missing the point. Wheat is not always about weight gain for several reasons -
1. Some people are insulin resistant, others are not. Insuling resistance is what causes wait gain, not wheat per se. Have you been tested?
2. Flat tummy does not mean healthy. Have you had your vitamin, thyroid and NMR cholesterol levels tested as those are the kind of things that MEASURE health?
3. Wheat causes inflammation, this is not an opinion and is science fact, 5 secs searching on Google Scholar will keep you busy for a few months. Have you had you hsCRP tested just to make sure you are in great health?
4. Wheat causes leaky gut syndrome by signalling a chemical called Zonulin (Go on Google it, I will wait) which, very simplistically, damages the bond between intestinal cell walls allowing food and bacteria to directly enter the blood stream causing an inflammatory response. And whilst a lot of people are 'healthy' now, the stage has been set for future long-term health issues. Think of it like putting a cup full of diesel in a petrol car for 20 yrs. Initially it wont make any difference to the engine, but over time the damage will occur and it's irreversible. Just like your body. Have you been tested?
5. Being skinny does not mean healthy, please Google TOFI in relation to metabolic syndrome. My father had a heart attack at 56yo and was always slim and 'healthy' with normal cholesterol numbers!
6. BMI is nothing more than a mathematical formula, it literally just states the ratio of your weight in kgs divided by your height in metres squared. It means absolutely nothing for health. Any doctor that uses it is 30 yrs out of date with their research. I am 6'1", around 12% body fat, huge thighs from squats, cycling and running and yet just into the overweight category. My mother is about 2 stone overweight and sits around 23 for her BMI. It does not take into account lean body mass or excess fat, hence why the research for the last 30 yrs has shunned it as anything even remotely useful.
7. Wheat and most grains produce phytates which cause your body to leach vitamins and minerals. This causes tiny but in perceivable changed in your body chemistry and fuels illness in later life or in the case of teeth, in fairly early life. How many cavities do you have? If you want to read more then Weston A Price has widely researched and spoken about these issues.
8. Grains produce so little in terms of nutrition in a micro and macro nutrient level when compared to organic vegetables, fruit and grass-fed meat. Again, have a look at google scholar, not a random blog.
I absolutely get your mindset as it is rammed down our throat from a very young age, but it is fuelled by flawed science or conflicts of interest. Your thought process is based on now proven inaccuracies from research carried out somewhere between 70 and 20 yrs ago and the overwhelming majority that is paid for by big agra. Do your health a huge favour and read the scientific research that is peer-reviewed AND that is not paid for by someone with an agenda or conflict of interest; after all your health depends on it.
I need my bed now, but if you want references then let me know, or feel free to PM me.
I'd like those references. Especially the ones on leaky gut. And any of Westons research that hasn't already been debunked due to leaving out of evidence that didn't fit their preferred findings.8 -
pumasareace wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »I've read it, along with Grain Brain, and I thought they were both rubbish. I eat 5-6 servings of grains a day, following the DASH protocol, and I'm in excellent health and have a current bmi that's under a 20. My stomach is also completely flat (like 24 inches circumference flat).
eta: here's my 'wheat belly' (just took this). I eat grains/wheat every single day
I understand what you are trying to get across but you are kind of missing the point. Wheat is not always about weight gain for several reasons -
1. Some people are insulin resistant, others are not. Insuling resistance is what causes wait gain, not wheat per se. Have you been tested?
2. Flat tummy does not mean healthy. Have you had your vitamin, thyroid and NMR cholesterol levels tested as those are the kind of things that MEASURE health?
3. Wheat causes inflammation, this is not an opinion and is science fact, 5 secs searching on Google Scholar will keep you busy for a few months. Have you had you hsCRP tested just to make sure you are in great health?
4. Wheat causes leaky gut syndrome by signalling a chemical called Zonulin (Go on Google it, I will wait) which, very simplistically, damages the bond between intestinal cell walls allowing food and bacteria to directly enter the blood stream causing an inflammatory response. And whilst a lot of people are 'healthy' now, the stage has been set for future long-term health issues. Think of it like putting a cup full of diesel in a petrol car for 20 yrs. Initially it wont make any difference to the engine, but over time the damage will occur and it's irreversible. Just like your body. Have you been tested?
5. Being skinny does not mean healthy, please Google TOFI in relation to metabolic syndrome. My father had a heart attack at 56yo and was always slim and 'healthy' with normal cholesterol numbers!
6. BMI is nothing more than a mathematical formula, it literally just states the ratio of your weight in kgs divided by your height in metres squared. It means absolutely nothing for health. Any doctor that uses it is 30 yrs out of date with their research. I am 6'1", around 12% body fat, huge thighs from squats, cycling and running and yet just into the overweight category. My mother is about 2 stone overweight and sits around 23 for her BMI. It does not take into account lean body mass or excess fat, hence why the research for the last 30 yrs has shunned it as anything even remotely useful.
7. Wheat and most grains produce phytates which cause your body to leach vitamins and minerals. This causes tiny but in perceivable changed in your body chemistry and fuels illness in later life or in the case of teeth, in fairly early life. How many cavities do you have? If you want to read more then Weston A Price has widely researched and spoken about these issues.
8. Grains produce so little in terms of nutrition in a micro and macro nutrient level when compared to organic vegetables, fruit and grass-fed meat. Again, have a look at google scholar, not a random blog.
I absolutely get your mindset as it is rammed down our throat from a very young age, but it is fuelled by flawed science or conflicts of interest. Your thought process is based on now proven inaccuracies from research carried out somewhere between 70 and 20 yrs ago and the overwhelming majority that is paid for by big agra. Do your health a huge favour and read the scientific research that is peer-reviewed AND that is not paid for by someone with an agenda or conflict of interest; after all your health depends on it.
I need my bed now, but if you want references then let me know, or feel free to PM me.
I guess since I live in Italy where we eat alot of pasta, pizza and risotto, that means that people should be dying younger--leaky gut and all. Strange, most people live until their 80's, and alot into their 90's, and quite a few hit 100. Those that die off younger are mainly heavy smokers. Italians are generaly not overweight, I see very few obese Italians. For me "Wheat Belly" is just a scare tactic--because I see just the opposite.16 -
Wheat is one of the foods that has sustained civilizations. Just another crap book is my opinion.11
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The author of "Wheat Belly" is himself fat.
I can't respect people who preach something they can't live.
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snowflake954 wrote: »pumasareace wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »I've read it, along with Grain Brain, and I thought they were both rubbish. I eat 5-6 servings of grains a day, following the DASH protocol, and I'm in excellent health and have a current bmi that's under a 20. My stomach is also completely flat (like 24 inches circumference flat).
eta: here's my 'wheat belly' (just took this). I eat grains/wheat every single day
I understand what you are trying to get across but you are kind of missing the point. Wheat is not always about weight gain for several reasons -
1. Some people are insulin resistant, others are not. Insuling resistance is what causes wait gain, not wheat per se. Have you been tested?
2. Flat tummy does not mean healthy. Have you had your vitamin, thyroid and NMR cholesterol levels tested as those are the kind of things that MEASURE health?
3. Wheat causes inflammation, this is not an opinion and is science fact, 5 secs searching on Google Scholar will keep you busy for a few months. Have you had you hsCRP tested just to make sure you are in great health?
4. Wheat causes leaky gut syndrome by signalling a chemical called Zonulin (Go on Google it, I will wait) which, very simplistically, damages the bond between intestinal cell walls allowing food and bacteria to directly enter the blood stream causing an inflammatory response. And whilst a lot of people are 'healthy' now, the stage has been set for future long-term health issues. Think of it like putting a cup full of diesel in a petrol car for 20 yrs. Initially it wont make any difference to the engine, but over time the damage will occur and it's irreversible. Just like your body. Have you been tested?
5. Being skinny does not mean healthy, please Google TOFI in relation to metabolic syndrome. My father had a heart attack at 56yo and was always slim and 'healthy' with normal cholesterol numbers!
6. BMI is nothing more than a mathematical formula, it literally just states the ratio of your weight in kgs divided by your height in metres squared. It means absolutely nothing for health. Any doctor that uses it is 30 yrs out of date with their research. I am 6'1", around 12% body fat, huge thighs from squats, cycling and running and yet just into the overweight category. My mother is about 2 stone overweight and sits around 23 for her BMI. It does not take into account lean body mass or excess fat, hence why the research for the last 30 yrs has shunned it as anything even remotely useful.
7. Wheat and most grains produce phytates which cause your body to leach vitamins and minerals. This causes tiny but in perceivable changed in your body chemistry and fuels illness in later life or in the case of teeth, in fairly early life. How many cavities do you have? If you want to read more then Weston A Price has widely researched and spoken about these issues.
8. Grains produce so little in terms of nutrition in a micro and macro nutrient level when compared to organic vegetables, fruit and grass-fed meat. Again, have a look at google scholar, not a random blog.
I absolutely get your mindset as it is rammed down our throat from a very young age, but it is fuelled by flawed science or conflicts of interest. Your thought process is based on now proven inaccuracies from research carried out somewhere between 70 and 20 yrs ago and the overwhelming majority that is paid for by big agra. Do your health a huge favour and read the scientific research that is peer-reviewed AND that is not paid for by someone with an agenda or conflict of interest; after all your health depends on it.
I need my bed now, but if you want references then let me know, or feel free to PM me.
I guess since I live in Italy where we eat alot of pasta, pizza and risotto, that means that people should be dying younger--leaky gut and all. Strange, most people live until their 80's, and alot into their 90's, and quite a few hit 100. Those that die off younger are mainly heavy smokers. Italians are generaly not overweight, I see very few obese Italians. For me "Wheat Belly" is just a scare tactic--because I see just the opposite.
Your understanding of leaky gut and wheat is missing a few key points.
1. Leaky gut does not necessarily mean you die younger, but it can wreak havoc internally and cause a plethora of issues such as chronic fatigue, asthma, hayfever, Crohns, Celiac, Eczema, IBS, brain fog, heart disease, stroke etc. Whilst a lot of these issues are not diagnosed as being caused by a leaky gut there are certainly not helped by a leaky gut or are exacerbated and made worse. People do eventually die of these illnesses. interestingly one of the first countries to latch onto gluten free was Italy.
https://www.functionalmedicineuniversity.com/public/Leaky-Gut.cfm
https://chriskresser.com/pioneering-researcher-alessio-fasano-m-d-on-gluten-autoimmunity-leaky-gut/
2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking.
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/country-health-profile/italy
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/country-health-profile/united-states
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/country-health-profile/united-kingdom
3. Obesity rates in Italy are around 21% which puts it at the 90th most obese country in the world when looking at percentage of population or 16th when looking at total number of obese people.
https://renewbariatrics.com/obesity-rank-by-countries/
4. Anecdotal evidence that you provide means nothing without being backed by research and science as it is inherently inaccurate.
I hope that helps to fill in some blanks and I am sorry it is not as comprehensive as I would have liked but I have to head to work.21 -
pumasareace wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »pumasareace wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »I've read it, along with Grain Brain, and I thought they were both rubbish. I eat 5-6 servings of grains a day, following the DASH protocol, and I'm in excellent health and have a current bmi that's under a 20. My stomach is also completely flat (like 24 inches circumference flat).
eta: here's my 'wheat belly' (just took this). I eat grains/wheat every single day
I understand what you are trying to get across but you are kind of missing the point. Wheat is not always about weight gain for several reasons -
1. Some people are insulin resistant, others are not. Insuling resistance is what causes wait gain, not wheat per se. Have you been tested?
2. Flat tummy does not mean healthy. Have you had your vitamin, thyroid and NMR cholesterol levels tested as those are the kind of things that MEASURE health?
3. Wheat causes inflammation, this is not an opinion and is science fact, 5 secs searching on Google Scholar will keep you busy for a few months. Have you had you hsCRP tested just to make sure you are in great health?
4. Wheat causes leaky gut syndrome by signalling a chemical called Zonulin (Go on Google it, I will wait) which, very simplistically, damages the bond between intestinal cell walls allowing food and bacteria to directly enter the blood stream causing an inflammatory response. And whilst a lot of people are 'healthy' now, the stage has been set for future long-term health issues. Think of it like putting a cup full of diesel in a petrol car for 20 yrs. Initially it wont make any difference to the engine, but over time the damage will occur and it's irreversible. Just like your body. Have you been tested?
5. Being skinny does not mean healthy, please Google TOFI in relation to metabolic syndrome. My father had a heart attack at 56yo and was always slim and 'healthy' with normal cholesterol numbers!
6. BMI is nothing more than a mathematical formula, it literally just states the ratio of your weight in kgs divided by your height in metres squared. It means absolutely nothing for health. Any doctor that uses it is 30 yrs out of date with their research. I am 6'1", around 12% body fat, huge thighs from squats, cycling and running and yet just into the overweight category. My mother is about 2 stone overweight and sits around 23 for her BMI. It does not take into account lean body mass or excess fat, hence why the research for the last 30 yrs has shunned it as anything even remotely useful.
7. Wheat and most grains produce phytates which cause your body to leach vitamins and minerals. This causes tiny but in perceivable changed in your body chemistry and fuels illness in later life or in the case of teeth, in fairly early life. How many cavities do you have? If you want to read more then Weston A Price has widely researched and spoken about these issues.
8. Grains produce so little in terms of nutrition in a micro and macro nutrient level when compared to organic vegetables, fruit and grass-fed meat. Again, have a look at google scholar, not a random blog.
I absolutely get your mindset as it is rammed down our throat from a very young age, but it is fuelled by flawed science or conflicts of interest. Your thought process is based on now proven inaccuracies from research carried out somewhere between 70 and 20 yrs ago and the overwhelming majority that is paid for by big agra. Do your health a huge favour and read the scientific research that is peer-reviewed AND that is not paid for by someone with an agenda or conflict of interest; after all your health depends on it.
I need my bed now, but if you want references then let me know, or feel free to PM me.
I guess since I live in Italy where we eat alot of pasta, pizza and risotto, that means that people should be dying younger--leaky gut and all. Strange, most people live until their 80's, and alot into their 90's, and quite a few hit 100. Those that die off younger are mainly heavy smokers. Italians are generaly not overweight, I see very few obese Italians. For me "Wheat Belly" is just a scare tactic--because I see just the opposite.
Your understanding of leaky gut and wheat is missing a few key points.
1. Leaky gut does not necessarily mean you die younger, but it can wreak havoc internally and cause a plethora of issues such as chronic fatigue, asthma, hayfever, Crohns, Celiac, Eczema, IBS, brain fog, heart disease, stroke etc. Whilst a lot of these issues are not diagnosed as being caused by a leaky gut there are certainly not helped by a leaky gut or are exacerbated and made worse. People do eventually die of these illnesses. interestingly one of the first countries to latch onto gluten free was Italy.
https://www.functionalmedicineuniversity.com/public/Leaky-Gut.cfm
https://chriskresser.com/pioneering-researcher-alessio-fasano-m-d-on-gluten-autoimmunity-leaky-gut/
2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking.
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/country-health-profile/italy
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/country-health-profile/united-states
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/country-health-profile/united-kingdom
3. Obesity rates in Italy are around 21% which puts it at the 90th most obese country in the world when looking at percentage of population or 16th when looking at total number of obese people.
https://renewbariatrics.com/obesity-rank-by-countries/
4. Anecdotal evidence that you provide means nothing without being backed by research and science as it is inherently inaccurate.
I hope that helps to fill in some blanks and I am sorry it is not as comprehensive as I would have liked but I have to head to work.
:huh:
No arguing with fanatics.
(I mean the poster quoted when I speak of fanatics. Just so that that is clear)12 -
I've got better things to do than argue with people on the internet. My "contribution" here will just be to state that a person can find on the 'net a .pdf of the NY Times Best Seller book, "How Not to Die", in which an M.D. discusses the top 15 (IIRC) "diseases" that kill Americans, and what the research shows about stopping and/or reversing these self-inflicted, diet-caused "diseases". Spoiler alert: you won't find any fad diets pushed here...6
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RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »pumasareace wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »I've read it, along with Grain Brain, and I thought they were both rubbish. I eat 5-6 servings of grains a day, following the DASH protocol, and I'm in excellent health and have a current bmi that's under a 20. My stomach is also completely flat (like 24 inches circumference flat).
eta: here's my 'wheat belly' (just took this). I eat grains/wheat every single day
I understand what you are trying to get across but you are kind of missing the point. Wheat is not always about weight gain for several reasons -
1. Some people are insulin resistant, others are not. Insuling resistance is what causes wait gain, not wheat per se. Have you been tested?
2. Flat tummy does not mean healthy. Have you had your vitamin, thyroid and NMR cholesterol levels tested as those are the kind of things that MEASURE health?
3. Wheat causes inflammation, this is not an opinion and is science fact, 5 secs searching on Google Scholar will keep you busy for a few months. Have you had you hsCRP tested just to make sure you are in great health?
4. Wheat causes leaky gut syndrome by signalling a chemical called Zonulin (Go on Google it, I will wait) which, very simplistically, damages the bond between intestinal cell walls allowing food and bacteria to directly enter the blood stream causing an inflammatory response. And whilst a lot of people are 'healthy' now, the stage has been set for future long-term health issues. Think of it like putting a cup full of diesel in a petrol car for 20 yrs. Initially it wont make any difference to the engine, but over time the damage will occur and it's irreversible. Just like your body. Have you been tested?
5. Being skinny does not mean healthy, please Google TOFI in relation to metabolic syndrome. My father had a heart attack at 56yo and was always slim and 'healthy' with normal cholesterol numbers!
6. BMI is nothing more than a mathematical formula, it literally just states the ratio of your weight in kgs divided by your height in metres squared. It means absolutely nothing for health. Any doctor that uses it is 30 yrs out of date with their research. I am 6'1", around 12% body fat, huge thighs from squats, cycling and running and yet just into the overweight category. My mother is about 2 stone overweight and sits around 23 for her BMI. It does not take into account lean body mass or excess fat, hence why the research for the last 30 yrs has shunned it as anything even remotely useful.
7. Wheat and most grains produce phytates which cause your body to leach vitamins and minerals. This causes tiny but in perceivable changed in your body chemistry and fuels illness in later life or in the case of teeth, in fairly early life. How many cavities do you have? If you want to read more then Weston A Price has widely researched and spoken about these issues.
8. Grains produce so little in terms of nutrition in a micro and macro nutrient level when compared to organic vegetables, fruit and grass-fed meat. Again, have a look at google scholar, not a random blog.
I absolutely get your mindset as it is rammed down our throat from a very young age, but it is fuelled by flawed science or conflicts of interest. Your thought process is based on now proven inaccuracies from research carried out somewhere between 70 and 20 yrs ago and the overwhelming majority that is paid for by big agra. Do your health a huge favour and read the scientific research that is peer-reviewed AND that is not paid for by someone with an agenda or conflict of interest; after all your health depends on it.
I need my bed now, but if you want references then let me know, or feel free to PM me.
I'd like those references. Especially the ones on leaky gut. And any of Westons research that hasn't already been debunked due to leaving out of evidence that didn't fit their preferred findings.
1. https://idmprogram.com/insulin-causes-weight-gain-hormonal-obesity-iv/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC380258/
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1471490603003363
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/14/3/173
2. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/nutrition-research-reviews/article/excess-body-fat-in-obese-and-normalweight-subjects/820BA0E5D204E5DD5C6AFF1E795C5616
http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/oby.2011.142
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19074995
3. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/313514.php
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2821887/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3705319/
4. https://www.mayoclinic.org/medical-professionals/clinical-updates/digestive-diseases/food-sensitivities-may-affect-gut-barrier-function
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11478502
5. see 2
6. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167629607001130
https://www.nature.com/articles/ijo200887
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?title=A+farewell+to+body-mass+index?&publication+year=2005&author=Kragelund+C&author=Omland+T&journal=Lancet&volume=366&doi=10.1016/S0140-6736(05)67642-8&pages=1589-1591
7. Firstly, "they" is not the same as him. Weston A Price was a person. Although you have identified the WAP Foundation, please dont confuse the 2.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9062561
http://mccarrison.alakmalak.org/resources/sidebar/dental-decay-and-diet-caries-rate-reduction-and-repair-knowledge-from-the-1920-and-30s/
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4615-6850-6_10
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/00220345700490062501
8. http://www.nutritionalwellness.com/archives/2009/nov/11_seaman.php
Right got to dash, work calls,
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pumasareace wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »pumasareace wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »I've read it, along with Grain Brain, and I thought they were both rubbish. I eat 5-6 servings of grains a day, following the DASH protocol, and I'm in excellent health and have a current bmi that's under a 20. My stomach is also completely flat (like 24 inches circumference flat).
eta: here's my 'wheat belly' (just took this). I eat grains/wheat every single day
I understand what you are trying to get across but you are kind of missing the point. Wheat is not always about weight gain for several reasons -
1. Some people are insulin resistant, others are not. Insuling resistance is what causes wait gain, not wheat per se. Have you been tested?
2. Flat tummy does not mean healthy. Have you had your vitamin, thyroid and NMR cholesterol levels tested as those are the kind of things that MEASURE health?
3. Wheat causes inflammation, this is not an opinion and is science fact, 5 secs searching on Google Scholar will keep you busy for a few months. Have you had you hsCRP tested just to make sure you are in great health?
4. Wheat causes leaky gut syndrome by signalling a chemical called Zonulin (Go on Google it, I will wait) which, very simplistically, damages the bond between intestinal cell walls allowing food and bacteria to directly enter the blood stream causing an inflammatory response. And whilst a lot of people are 'healthy' now, the stage has been set for future long-term health issues. Think of it like putting a cup full of diesel in a petrol car for 20 yrs. Initially it wont make any difference to the engine, but over time the damage will occur and it's irreversible. Just like your body. Have you been tested?
5. Being skinny does not mean healthy, please Google TOFI in relation to metabolic syndrome. My father had a heart attack at 56yo and was always slim and 'healthy' with normal cholesterol numbers!
6. BMI is nothing more than a mathematical formula, it literally just states the ratio of your weight in kgs divided by your height in metres squared. It means absolutely nothing for health. Any doctor that uses it is 30 yrs out of date with their research. I am 6'1", around 12% body fat, huge thighs from squats, cycling and running and yet just into the overweight category. My mother is about 2 stone overweight and sits around 23 for her BMI. It does not take into account lean body mass or excess fat, hence why the research for the last 30 yrs has shunned it as anything even remotely useful.
7. Wheat and most grains produce phytates which cause your body to leach vitamins and minerals. This causes tiny but in perceivable changed in your body chemistry and fuels illness in later life or in the case of teeth, in fairly early life. How many cavities do you have? If you want to read more then Weston A Price has widely researched and spoken about these issues.
8. Grains produce so little in terms of nutrition in a micro and macro nutrient level when compared to organic vegetables, fruit and grass-fed meat. Again, have a look at google scholar, not a random blog.
I absolutely get your mindset as it is rammed down our throat from a very young age, but it is fuelled by flawed science or conflicts of interest. Your thought process is based on now proven inaccuracies from research carried out somewhere between 70 and 20 yrs ago and the overwhelming majority that is paid for by big agra. Do your health a huge favour and read the scientific research that is peer-reviewed AND that is not paid for by someone with an agenda or conflict of interest; after all your health depends on it.
I need my bed now, but if you want references then let me know, or feel free to PM me.
I guess since I live in Italy where we eat alot of pasta, pizza and risotto, that means that people should be dying younger--leaky gut and all. Strange, most people live until their 80's, and alot into their 90's, and quite a few hit 100. Those that die off younger are mainly heavy smokers. Italians are generaly not overweight, I see very few obese Italians. For me "Wheat Belly" is just a scare tactic--because I see just the opposite.
Your understanding of leaky gut and wheat is missing a few key points.
1. Leaky gut does not necessarily mean you die younger, but it can wreak havoc internally and cause a plethora of issues such as chronic fatigue, asthma, hayfever, Crohns, Celiac, Eczema, IBS, brain fog, heart disease, stroke etc. Whilst a lot of these issues are not diagnosed as being caused by a leaky gut there are certainly not helped by a leaky gut or are exacerbated and made worse. People do eventually die of these illnesses. interestingly one of the first countries to latch onto gluten free was Italy.
https://www.functionalmedicineuniversity.com/public/Leaky-Gut.cfm
https://chriskresser.com/pioneering-researcher-alessio-fasano-m-d-on-gluten-autoimmunity-leaky-gut/
2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking.
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/country-health-profile/italy
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/country-health-profile/united-states
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/country-health-profile/united-kingdom
3. Obesity rates in Italy are around 21% which puts it at the 90th most obese country in the world when looking at percentage of population or 16th when looking at total number of obese people.
https://renewbariatrics.com/obesity-rank-by-countries/
4. Anecdotal evidence that you provide means nothing without being backed by research and science as it is inherently inaccurate.
I hope that helps to fill in some blanks and I am sorry it is not as comprehensive as I would have liked but I have to head to work.
I find it funny you say "Anecdotal evidence that you provide means nothing without being backed by research and science as it is inherently inaccurate." while arguing about Leaky Gut Syndrome, a "disease" where the scientific consensus is leaning on the side of "it doesn't exist".
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/leaky-gut-syndrome/11 -
I've got better things to do than argue with people on the internet. My "contribution" here will just be to state that a person can find on the 'net a .pdf of the NY Times Best Seller book, "How Not to Die", in which an M.D. discusses the top 15 (IIRC) "diseases" that kill Americans, and what the research shows about stopping and/or reversing these self-inflicted, diet-caused "diseases". Spoiler alert: you won't find any fad diets pushed here...
Ironic. As you're pushing a fad diet.5 -
"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.12 -
pumasareace wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »pumasareace wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »I've read it, along with Grain Brain, and I thought they were both rubbish. I eat 5-6 servings of grains a day, following the DASH protocol, and I'm in excellent health and have a current bmi that's under a 20. My stomach is also completely flat (like 24 inches circumference flat).
eta: here's my 'wheat belly' (just took this). I eat grains/wheat every single day
I understand what you are trying to get across but you are kind of missing the point. Wheat is not always about weight gain for several reasons -
1. Some people are insulin resistant, others are not. Insuling resistance is what causes wait gain, not wheat per se. Have you been tested?
2. Flat tummy does not mean healthy. Have you had your vitamin, thyroid and NMR cholesterol levels tested as those are the kind of things that MEASURE health?
3. Wheat causes inflammation, this is not an opinion and is science fact, 5 secs searching on Google Scholar will keep you busy for a few months. Have you had you hsCRP tested just to make sure you are in great health?
4. Wheat causes leaky gut syndrome by signalling a chemical called Zonulin (Go on Google it, I will wait) which, very simplistically, damages the bond between intestinal cell walls allowing food and bacteria to directly enter the blood stream causing an inflammatory response. And whilst a lot of people are 'healthy' now, the stage has been set for future long-term health issues. Think of it like putting a cup full of diesel in a petrol car for 20 yrs. Initially it wont make any difference to the engine, but over time the damage will occur and it's irreversible. Just like your body. Have you been tested?
5. Being skinny does not mean healthy, please Google TOFI in relation to metabolic syndrome. My father had a heart attack at 56yo and was always slim and 'healthy' with normal cholesterol numbers!
6. BMI is nothing more than a mathematical formula, it literally just states the ratio of your weight in kgs divided by your height in metres squared. It means absolutely nothing for health. Any doctor that uses it is 30 yrs out of date with their research. I am 6'1", around 12% body fat, huge thighs from squats, cycling and running and yet just into the overweight category. My mother is about 2 stone overweight and sits around 23 for her BMI. It does not take into account lean body mass or excess fat, hence why the research for the last 30 yrs has shunned it as anything even remotely useful.
7. Wheat and most grains produce phytates which cause your body to leach vitamins and minerals. This causes tiny but in perceivable changed in your body chemistry and fuels illness in later life or in the case of teeth, in fairly early life. How many cavities do you have? If you want to read more then Weston A Price has widely researched and spoken about these issues.
8. Grains produce so little in terms of nutrition in a micro and macro nutrient level when compared to organic vegetables, fruit and grass-fed meat. Again, have a look at google scholar, not a random blog.
I absolutely get your mindset as it is rammed down our throat from a very young age, but it is fuelled by flawed science or conflicts of interest. Your thought process is based on now proven inaccuracies from research carried out somewhere between 70 and 20 yrs ago and the overwhelming majority that is paid for by big agra. Do your health a huge favour and read the scientific research that is peer-reviewed AND that is not paid for by someone with an agenda or conflict of interest; after all your health depends on it.
I need my bed now, but if you want references then let me know, or feel free to PM me.
I guess since I live in Italy where we eat alot of pasta, pizza and risotto, that means that people should be dying younger--leaky gut and all. Strange, most people live until their 80's, and alot into their 90's, and quite a few hit 100. Those that die off younger are mainly heavy smokers. Italians are generaly not overweight, I see very few obese Italians. For me "Wheat Belly" is just a scare tactic--because I see just the opposite.
Your understanding of leaky gut and wheat is missing a few key points.
1. Leaky gut does not necessarily mean you die younger, but it can wreak havoc internally and cause a plethora of issues such as chronic fatigue, asthma, hayfever, Crohns, Celiac, Eczema, IBS, brain fog, heart disease, stroke etc. Whilst a lot of these issues are not diagnosed as being caused by a leaky gut there are certainly not helped by a leaky gut or are exacerbated and made worse. People do eventually die of these illnesses. interestingly one of the first countries to latch onto gluten free was Italy.
https://www.functionalmedicineuniversity.com/public/Leaky-Gut.cfm
https://chriskresser.com/pioneering-researcher-alessio-fasano-m-d-on-gluten-autoimmunity-leaky-gut/
2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking.
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/country-health-profile/italy
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/country-health-profile/united-states
http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/country-health-profile/united-kingdom
3. Obesity rates in Italy are around 21% which puts it at the 90th most obese country in the world when looking at percentage of population or 16th when looking at total number of obese people.
https://renewbariatrics.com/obesity-rank-by-countries/
4. Anecdotal evidence that you provide means nothing without being backed by research and science as it is inherently inaccurate.
I hope that helps to fill in some blanks and I am sorry it is not as comprehensive as I would have liked but I have to head to work.
Sure Italians die--but at what age compared to Americans? I say Americans since you compared the population of the US to Italians. Have you ever traveled here and looked around, seen the natives, so to speak? As for gluten free, yes it's reared it's expensive little head. We'll see how long it lasts. Who knows, with my "leaky gut" I may not live to see it recede.
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Fact: people who don't eat grains die.15
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stanmann571 wrote: »I've got better things to do than argue with people on the internet. My "contribution" here will just be to state that a person can find on the 'net a .pdf of the NY Times Best Seller book, "How Not to Die", in which an M.D. discusses the top 15 (IIRC) "diseases" that kill Americans, and what the research shows about stopping and/or reversing these self-inflicted, diet-caused "diseases". Spoiler alert: you won't find any fad diets pushed here...
Ironic. As you're pushing a fad diet.
Really? How so?
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stanmann571 wrote: »I've got better things to do than argue with people on the internet. My "contribution" here will just be to state that a person can find on the 'net a .pdf of the NY Times Best Seller book, "How Not to Die", in which an M.D. discusses the top 15 (IIRC) "diseases" that kill Americans, and what the research shows about stopping and/or reversing these self-inflicted, diet-caused "diseases". Spoiler alert: you won't find any fad diets pushed here...
Ironic. As you're pushing a fad diet.
Really? How so?
Really? If you have to ask you can not be helped IMO...2 -
geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
High carbohydrate diet is a positive CVD risk factor because it is related with insulin resistance, poor circulation, abdominal fat distribution, high plasma triglycerides level, low HDL cholesterol and oxidative stress. This is high school biology stuff that I am sure they teach at nutrition school.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/carbs-higher-risk-heart-disease-states-leading-cardiologist-dr-salim-yusuf/
https://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
https://thenoakesfoundation.org/news/blog/the-low-fat-diet-does-not-prevent-arterial-disease-it-causes-it-prof-noakes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17093250
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19506174
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16287956
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26178720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25178568
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29178536
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/106/1/35
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/147/7/1267.abstract?sid=4a3383f9-048b-4040-9f09-d41ebaf08d72
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/10/769
https://www.docsopinion.com/2017/06/13/low-fat-high-carb-insulin-resistance-fatty-liver/
http://www.cochrane.org/CD005051/VASC_whole-grain-cereals-cardiovascular-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/2/133.full.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
You can Google the rest. I am not sure where you learnt about nutrition in order to teach people, but I think your knowledge of how the body works is a little out-dated, misunderstood and scary if you are teaching others.16 -
Sure Italians die--but at what age compared to Americans? I say Americans since you compared the population of the US to Italians. Have you ever traveled here and looked around, seen the natives, so to speak? As for gluten free, yes it's reared it's expensive little head. We'll see how long it lasts. Who knows, with my "leaky gut" I may not live to see it recede.
Very similar ages to Americans, its all in the links...6 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Fact: people who don't eat grains die.
100% of murders are committed by someone who has consumed water in the last 48 hrs...
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pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
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Just going to be pedantic here, but electroshock/ECT is still a treatment. My aunt has had multiple rounds in the last year to deal with literally debilitating (won't eat, drink, bathe, speak) mental illness.
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pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
High carbohydrate diet is a positive CVD risk factor because it is related with insulin resistance, poor circulation, abdominal fat distribution, high plasma triglycerides level, low HDL cholesterol and oxidative stress. This is high school biology stuff that I am sure they teach at nutrition school.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/carbs-higher-risk-heart-disease-states-leading-cardiologist-dr-salim-yusuf/
https://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
https://thenoakesfoundation.org/news/blog/the-low-fat-diet-does-not-prevent-arterial-disease-it-causes-it-prof-noakes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17093250
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19506174
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16287956
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26178720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25178568
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29178536
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/106/1/35
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/147/7/1267.abstract?sid=4a3383f9-048b-4040-9f09-d41ebaf08d72
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/10/769
https://www.docsopinion.com/2017/06/13/low-fat-high-carb-insulin-resistance-fatty-liver/
http://www.cochrane.org/CD005051/VASC_whole-grain-cereals-cardiovascular-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/2/133.full.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
You can Google the rest. I am not sure where you learnt about nutrition in order to teach people, but I think your knowledge of how the body works is a little out-dated, misunderstood and scary if you are teaching others.
Longest living and healthiest populations all eat high carb/low fat diets. I think you don't even know the basics bro. I'll just leave this here.#byefelicia
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pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
High carbohydrate diet is a positive CVD risk factor because it is related with insulin resistance, poor circulation, abdominal fat distribution, high plasma triglycerides level, low HDL cholesterol and oxidative stress. This is high school biology stuff that I am sure they teach at nutrition school.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/carbs-higher-risk-heart-disease-states-leading-cardiologist-dr-salim-yusuf/
https://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
https://thenoakesfoundation.org/news/blog/the-low-fat-diet-does-not-prevent-arterial-disease-it-causes-it-prof-noakes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17093250
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19506174
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16287956
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26178720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25178568
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29178536
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/106/1/35
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/147/7/1267.abstract?sid=4a3383f9-048b-4040-9f09-d41ebaf08d72
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/10/769
https://www.docsopinion.com/2017/06/13/low-fat-high-carb-insulin-resistance-fatty-liver/
http://www.cochrane.org/CD005051/VASC_whole-grain-cereals-cardiovascular-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/2/133.full.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
You can Google the rest. I am not sure where you learnt about nutrition in order to teach people, but I think your knowledge of how the body works is a little out-dated, misunderstood and scary if you are teaching others.
NONE of these articles prove causation of cvd from carbs.16 -
pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
High carbohydrate diet is a positive CVD risk factor because it is related with insulin resistance, poor circulation, abdominal fat distribution, high plasma triglycerides level, low HDL cholesterol and oxidative stress. This is high school biology stuff that I am sure they teach at nutrition school.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/carbs-higher-risk-heart-disease-states-leading-cardiologist-dr-salim-yusuf/
https://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
https://thenoakesfoundation.org/news/blog/the-low-fat-diet-does-not-prevent-arterial-disease-it-causes-it-prof-noakes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17093250
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19506174
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16287956
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26178720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25178568
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29178536
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/106/1/35
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/147/7/1267.abstract?sid=4a3383f9-048b-4040-9f09-d41ebaf08d72
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/10/769
https://www.docsopinion.com/2017/06/13/low-fat-high-carb-insulin-resistance-fatty-liver/
http://www.cochrane.org/CD005051/VASC_whole-grain-cereals-cardiovascular-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/2/133.full.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
You can Google the rest. I am not sure where you learnt about nutrition in order to teach people, but I think your knowledge of how the body works is a little out-dated, misunderstood and scary if you are teaching others.
Pot. Kettle.7 -
sunfastrose wrote: »pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
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Just going to be pedantic here, but electroshock/ECT is still a treatment. My aunt has had multiple rounds in the last year to deal with literally debilitating (won't eat, drink, bathe, speak) mental illness.
Sorry, I should have quantified, it was widespread for numerous mental illnesses rather than a very few specific instances today.1 -
geneticsteacher wrote: »pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
High carbohydrate diet is a positive CVD risk factor because it is related with insulin resistance, poor circulation, abdominal fat distribution, high plasma triglycerides level, low HDL cholesterol and oxidative stress. This is high school biology stuff that I am sure they teach at nutrition school.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/carbs-higher-risk-heart-disease-states-leading-cardiologist-dr-salim-yusuf/
https://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
https://thenoakesfoundation.org/news/blog/the-low-fat-diet-does-not-prevent-arterial-disease-it-causes-it-prof-noakes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17093250
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19506174
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16287956
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26178720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25178568
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29178536
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/106/1/35
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/147/7/1267.abstract?sid=4a3383f9-048b-4040-9f09-d41ebaf08d72
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/10/769
https://www.docsopinion.com/2017/06/13/low-fat-high-carb-insulin-resistance-fatty-liver/
http://www.cochrane.org/CD005051/VASC_whole-grain-cereals-cardiovascular-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/2/133.full.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
You can Google the rest. I am not sure where you learnt about nutrition in order to teach people, but I think your knowledge of how the body works is a little out-dated, misunderstood and scary if you are teaching others.
NONE of these articles prove causation of cvd from carbs.
Please do point out which of the 19 studies you read (in 1hr 40 mins?!?) that you disagree with and which conclusions were wrong as I believe pretty much all of them are peer reviewed and from published experts in their field.....10 -
I did not say the studies were wrong. Have you heard the expression "Correlation does not equal causation"?11
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russelljam08 wrote: »pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
High carbohydrate diet is a positive CVD risk factor because it is related with insulin resistance, poor circulation, abdominal fat distribution, high plasma triglycerides level, low HDL cholesterol and oxidative stress. This is high school biology stuff that I am sure they teach at nutrition school.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/carbs-higher-risk-heart-disease-states-leading-cardiologist-dr-salim-yusuf/
https://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
https://thenoakesfoundation.org/news/blog/the-low-fat-diet-does-not-prevent-arterial-disease-it-causes-it-prof-noakes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17093250
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19506174
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16287956
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26178720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25178568
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29178536
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/106/1/35
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/147/7/1267.abstract?sid=4a3383f9-048b-4040-9f09-d41ebaf08d72
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/10/769
https://www.docsopinion.com/2017/06/13/low-fat-high-carb-insulin-resistance-fatty-liver/
http://www.cochrane.org/CD005051/VASC_whole-grain-cereals-cardiovascular-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/2/133.full.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
You can Google the rest. I am not sure where you learnt about nutrition in order to teach people, but I think your knowledge of how the body works is a little out-dated, misunderstood and scary if you are teaching others.
Longest living and healthiest populations all eat high carb/low fat diets. I think you don't even know the basics bro. I'll just leave this here.#byefelicia
Well the graph has just left me without a leg to stand on. Why didnt I think of that? Joking aside I will look into the Okinawa study as that sounds really interesting, although the devil is always in the detail.9
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