Wheat Belly
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georgyporcupine wrote: »I bought it... Have yet to read it... I really like pizza though so probably just not gonna read it
You should read it while you eat pizza4 -
I want to clarify something a poster said upthread.
Having celiac disease means you need to avoid gluten containing grains, not all grains.
I have celiac disease, but I eat grains regularly and thrive on them.
Wheat Belly and Grain Brain are both full of pseudo-science and distorted information, not to mention fear mongering.
If I didn't have celiac disease, I'd still consume wheat. I'd love to tuck into some farro. Yum.14 -
BrianSharpe wrote: »efrensgirl2015 wrote: »There is a lot of science behind it........ once you get past that initial detox you really do feel fantastic.
Science and detox in the same paragraph.......
cbc.ca/news/wheat-belly-arguments-are-based-on-shaky-science-critics-say-1.2974214
It is Friday after all.5 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I read that as a bra size for a second.
Ditto. Glad I wasn't the only one. LOL
Me too!
Your brains works in F not in C, so it's understandable
:laugh:
So cor anglais instead of oboe?4 -
Unless you are (proven) allergic to wheat, it's baloney.3
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cerise_noir wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I read that as a bra size for a second.
Ditto. Glad I wasn't the only one. LOL
Me too!
Your brains works in F not in C, so it's understandable
:laugh:
So cor anglais instead of oboe?
Ha! Well played!1 -
... so take yr wheat bread and yr slice of baloney and yr cheddar cheese and make a sandwich. XD4
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amusedmonkey wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I read that as a bra size for a second.
Ditto. Glad I wasn't the only one. LOL
Me too!
Your brains works in F not in C, so it's understandable
:laugh:
So cor anglais instead of oboe?
Ha! Well played!
Well, I had to stay in key or else I'd be flat.2 -
cerise_noir wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I read that as a bra size for a second.
Ditto. Glad I wasn't the only one. LOL
Me too!
Your brains works in F not in C, so it's understandable
:laugh:
So cor anglais instead of oboe?
Ha! Well played!
Well, I had to stay in key or else I'd be flat.
Then you would have to tone up!
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cerise_noir wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I read that as a bra size for a second.
Ditto. Glad I wasn't the only one. LOL
Me too!
Your brains works in F not in C, so it's understandable
:laugh:
So cor anglais instead of oboe?
Ha! Well played!
Well, I had to stay in key or else I'd be flat.
Then you would have to tone up!
Oh, you're a sharp one! I like how you conduct yourself.
We're going to have to scale back on these jokes. They may fall flat to those who don't like treble.8 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »I think my belly likes wheat as much as I like delicious, fresh bread, warm, straight out of the oven spread with good salted butter.
Drooling at the fresh bread and real butter.
If it wasnt going to be 34C this weekend I would be baking a loaf.
Quick question: is it that you can't be fussed to bake in this heat or is that hot weather harms the breadmaking process in some way? I'm asking because mom will be coming in a few days and I want to make her a loaf of her favorite sourdough bread but it looks like it's going to be hot.
P.S (and I know people will kill me for this): I don't like grass fed store bought butter. I grew up with two kinds of butter: the kind we churned ourselves from the milk of our own (grassfed) cows back when I was a kid and spent the summer at my grandparents, and Lurpak. So any store bought butter has to be Lurpak or it tastes odd to me. Store bought grass fed butter taste NOTHING like what I remember freshly churned butter tasting.
Lurpak is delicious! If I can't find Kerry Gold, Lurpak is my #2 choice
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cerise_noir wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I read that as a bra size for a second.
Ditto. Glad I wasn't the only one. LOL
Me too!
Your brains works in F not in C, so it's understandable
:laugh:
So cor anglais instead of oboe?
Ha! Well played!
Well, I had to stay in key or else I'd be flat.
Then you would have to tone up!
Oh, you're a sharp one! I like how you conduct yourself.
We're going to have to scale back on these jokes. They may fall flat to those who don't like treble.
Well played indeed! 1 -
I have the book, read it, and did follow it for a while. I lost weight. But it was not something I could live with. I always lose quite easily on lo-carb diets but I can't sustain it. So I'm trying a less extreme approach by avoiding bread as much as possible (except for an occasional bagel or on a sandwich from time to time). Also trying to keep pasta down, but it really depends on the kind of pasta. I've spent time in Italy on three separate occasions and ate bread and pasta for lunch and dinner AND lost weight. (But I ate no snacks).
There are a lot of people it works for but unless one really analyzes a before and after diet, it's not that easy to say that it is only the elimination of grains that does it--it could be that the people just ate less overall when they eliminated the wheat and other grains.2 -
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The fact that you have a medical condition that requires you to cut back on carbs is not relevant to the premise of the book which is that no one should eat grains because terminal inflammation. Would you recommend everyone stop eating wheat because it's bad for you?[/quote]
MPH323 Please re-read my post, I said 'I also have...'.
It is NOT my medical condition that 'requires' me to cut down on carbs. I did not have this medical condition from birth, just the last 10 years (i'm 40) and have always had issues with weight while consuming the prescribed amount of carbs. The minute I cut down my portions of carbs and upped my fats and protein, I was able to consistently lose flab and keep it off. I don't have to change my calorie intake, just what i'm eating.
Wheat Belly is, as you say, about how grains affects people's health through digestion of grains, how is my condition not relevant when it is made worse by eating too much carbs (sugars)? I used my condition as a further note on how food affects people differently (a condition not mentioned by wheat belly itself, but i do believe many of my symptoms are).
As the OP is asking for advice and info on what the book is about, I thought my personal experience might be of some assistance to help her decide whether to try cutting down her carbs. Other posters have used their personal experiences and posted pics of themselves to show that they don't have issue with carbs at all. Further evidence that not everyone reacts to food the same way, giving the OP some good information. Or do you not agree?
I have Mal de Debarquement which is a suspected vestibular condition. It is currently incurable, untreatable, and has an unknown cause. It affects my balance among other things, and most people who have this condition have a slightly higher bmr, think how much energy you burn just trying to stand on a bosu... now thing about trying to do that 24 hours every day, whether you're standing, sat or lying down. Eating is a massive part of our my life because being hungry or thirsty adversely affects my condition (among other factors that affect me). I need to eat a little alot to keep my energy up, but if that energy comes 'too much' from carbs or sugars it can make my life a misery for days. So I eat mostly fats and protein, with some carbs.
As the thinking goes 80% diet 20% exercise, as someone with both a flabby body because of diet and a medical condition that is affected by diet, my post is surely appropriate to a post on 'Wheat Belly'?
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I'm almost completely off wheat ( 1x a week tops) and minimal other grain (2 or 3 servings a week tops - usually oatmeal) since I started trying to get healthy in April[.
Was wheat making me fat? No. Well I was overeating and a large part of that overeating was wheat- but wheat wasn't the underlying cause I'll guess. Was wheat having a very bad effect on my digestive system? I certainly think so. With my wheat intake almost at 0 my acid reflux disappeared, heartburn and gas have improved to about 1/10th the levels they were, and what is coming out of me is regular now. Only one stomach flu like incident since April and they were at least monthly occurrences before.
So what do I think of Wheat Belly? I think that there is probably some correlation for some people that wheat is at least partially connected to digestive problems. I certainly seem to be one of those folks. But the science isn't there yet ( not to mention that by eliminating wheat you are eliminating most processed foods which includes the high sugar, sodium and trans fats they have) so I'd say if you are older, overweight and have digestive problems trying to eliminate or drastically reduce wheat in your diet is not a bad thing to try.
But, overall I'd say: Wheat Belly? Take it with a grain of salt. (LOL) 3 -
I'm started on this for about 2 weeks. Plant base and grain free. from my only personal experience. I noticed my energy level is back. I had fog brain for months and couldn't figure it out. I'm gluten sensitive as well. Lost 8lbs in 2 weeks. I couldn't really loose anything eating grains and being vegan.
And I'm not as hungry nor sugar cravings. I replaced my grains with root vegetables instead for the filling. It may not work for everyone but it works for me. I'd say just try out for 7 days, take notes and either love it or hate it.
As for me, I'm loving the feeling again.
1-10 rating. w/ 10 being the highest
Energy before - 1
Energy after - 6
Success with toning before - 3
Success with toning after - 7
Mental focus/clarity before - 2
Mental focus/clarity after - 6
Testosterone drive before - 4
Testosterone drive after - 7
Reasons for trying it? Energy and mental focus. I noticed I don't process grains to well, so I needed something different. Again, not for everyone, if you're fine with bread and wheat/ then go for it. but for me , it's been working w/in the 2 week period. I noticed the changes during the 4th day. Detox symptoms were slightly noticeable but not too bad.
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Lavelle1980 wrote: »I'm started on this for about 2 weeks. Plant base and grain free. from my only personal experience. I noticed my energy level is back. I had fog brain for months and couldn't figure it out. I'm gluten sensitive as well. Lost 8lbs in 2 weeks. I couldn't really loose anything eating grains and being vegan.
And I'm not as hungry nor sugar cravings. I replaced my grains with root vegetables instead for the filling. It may not work for everyone but it works for me. I'd say just try out for 7 days, take notes and either love it or hate it.
As for me, I'm loving the feeling again.
1-10 rating. w/ 10 being the highest
Energy before - 1
Energy after - 6
Success with toning before - 3
Success with toning after - 7
Mental focus/clarity before - 2
Mental focus/clarity after - 6
Testosterone drive before - 4
Testosterone drive after - 7
Reasons for trying it? Energy and mental focus. I noticed I don't process grains to well, so I needed something different. Again, not for everyone, if you're fine with bread and wheat/ then go for it. but for me , it's been working w/in the 2 week period. I noticed the changes during the 4th day. Detox symptoms were slightly noticeable but not too bad.
Testosterone drive? Do you mean that your testosterone levels have improved (as in you've had blood work done) or that your libido has increased? These aren't the same thing.
Have your sleep habits improved?3 -
Lavelle1980 wrote: »I'm started on this for about 2 weeks. Plant base and grain free. from my only personal experience. I noticed my energy level is back. I had fog brain for months and couldn't figure it out. I'm gluten sensitive as well. Lost 8lbs in 2 weeks. I couldn't really loose anything eating grains and being vegan.
And I'm not as hungry nor sugar cravings. I replaced my grains with root vegetables instead for the filling. It may not work for everyone but it works for me. I'd say just try out for 7 days, take notes and either love it or hate it.
As for me, I'm loving the feeling again.
1-10 rating. w/ 10 being the highest
Energy before - 1
Energy after - 6
Success with toning before - 3
Success with toning after - 7
Mental focus/clarity before - 2
Mental focus/clarity after - 6
Testosterone drive before - 4
Testosterone drive after - 7
Reasons for trying it? Energy and mental focus. I noticed I don't process grains to well, so I needed something different. Again, not for everyone, if you're fine with bread and wheat/ then go for it. but for me , it's been working w/in the 2 week period. I noticed the changes during the 4th day. Detox symptoms were slightly noticeable but not too bad.
I thought after lecturing us about the superiority of being vegan, and then feeling not great as a vegan, you were done with overly restricting your diet?
My diet revolves around grains and I feel awesome.
If this works for you that's great. Often when people try out a new fad though, their exuberance causes them to do lots of other things better, like get more exercise, more sleep, eat more nutritious foods, better attitude. So they attribute success to the fad when it was really their whole lifestyle that improved for a little while. Once the high wears off, the fad becomes a chore and they slide back to where they started. Try not to get caught up in the roller coaster ride of one fad, restrictive, unsustainable change after another with no real long term progress made.
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It's more than just wheat. There are many manufactured foods out there (and illnesses) that create sensitivities for SOME people (not all).
There has been so much more data available now as apposed to 28 years ago when my daughter was small. It makes me angry that I didn't know what I didn't know.
What I wished I had known:
Soy can be an endocrine disruptor and can affect growth rate, cause early onset of menarche in girls, and delayed puberty in boys (as well as a host of fertility / thyroid problems in men and women)
Pre-packaged meals often contain chemicals / additives that the body cannot assimilate, e.g. GMOs. Some people are bothered by them, other people are not.
Corporately farmed food may not be as healthy as food farmed by traditional methods
Hormones / antibiotics in food can contribute to digestive and other issues
We tend to blame it on excess calories; but, what if the food we are feeding our kids (and ourselves) actually affects their brains and how their bodies process food for nutrition? What if their brains are telling them that they are still hungry (because they are)?
For example,
My daughter had a wheat allergy and we didn't know it. Baby formula had wheat in it. She was fed soy milk exclusively. Her adult teeth stopped growing, her growth plates stopped and she got her period at 10 years old. (That is not normal. A generation ago, women got their periods between the ages of 13 and 14.)
I was among those parents who thought that those frozen Kidz Meals and Happy Meals were healthy. I freely fed her pizza, hot dogs, french fries, all of the stuff people feed their kids. She craved carbs all of the time. She gained weight and while we felt bad about it, it never occurred to us that it was related to what she was eating.
We shopped at Price Club (now COSTCO), bought Cheerios in bulk, bought commercial meat / poultry in bulk and
fed her what she wanted.
She developed an eating disorder in part because she didn't like the food in the cafeteria (all factory food) and in part because by not eating she lost weight. She got the flu and began to vomit blood. Then we were in the death spiral of anti-depressants, which almost cost us her life.
Once we figured out that she had a wheat sensitivity, removed all soy from her diet and fed her "real" food she got better pretty quickly. She does have a lasting effect in terms of hypothyroidism and all of the issues that entails.
I challenge any parent to remove soy, pre-packaged meals, corporately farmed food, and eliminate all foods containing hormones / antibiotics for six months and then tell me that they and / or their kid needs to be conscious of the calories that they are consuming. Because, I am betting that the kids (and the parents) will be satiated more quickly.
I LOVE bread / pasta / homemade pastry... I eat it sparingly and I do okay. But, I can't eat some foods at popular chains because of WHATEVER is in it disagrees with me. My hubs, on the other hand doesn't seem affected.
He was brought up on a dairy farm and walked around in manure bare footed. Until he got bit by a tick and ended up in the ER and had to have massive doses of antibiotics due to cellulitis he never got sick... EVER.
So, for some, I think it's more about the gut biome and the intestinal tract than it is what you eat. My daughter also had massive antibiotics due to sepsis (diagnosed kidney infection) so her gut was compromised from the very beginning...
I had both norovirus and the flu that laid me low for weeks and lost my ability to "move" anything at all... once I took flagyl and some other anti-parasitics (Bacteril and doTerra On-Guard) I got better pretty quickly... You have both good bugs and bad bugs in your gut and Americans can and do get parasites... we just don't talk about it nor do we treat ourselves for them unless it's Lice or Pin worms...
I am saying all of this because people are different and there is no one sized fits all solution to why people are crampy / bloated, etc.39 -
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suzannesimmons3 wrote: »It's more than just wheat. There are many manufactured foods out there (and illnesses) that create sensitivities for SOME people (not all).
There has been so much more data available now as apposed to 28 years ago when my daughter was small. It makes me angry that I didn't know what I didn't know.
What I wished I had known:
Soy can be an endocrine disruptor and can affect growth rate, cause early onset of menarche in girls, and delayed puberty in boys (as well as a host of fertility / thyroid problems in men and women)
Pre-packaged meals often contain chemicals / additives that the body cannot assimilate, e.g. GMOs. Some people are bothered by them, other people are not.
Corporately farmed food may not be as healthy as food farmed by traditional methods
Hormones / antibiotics in food can contribute to digestive and other issues
We tend to blame it on excess calories; but, what if the food we are feeding our kids (and ourselves) actually affects their brains and how their bodies process food for nutrition? What if their brains are telling them that they are still hungry (because they are)?
For example,
My daughter had a wheat allergy and we didn't know it. Baby formula had wheat in it. She was fed soy milk exclusively. Her adult teeth stopped growing, her growth plates stopped and she got her period at 10 years old. (That is not normal. A generation ago, women got their periods between the ages of 13 and 14.)
I was among those parents who thought that those frozen Kidz Meals and Happy Meals were healthy. I freely fed her pizza, hot dogs, french fries, all of the stuff people feed their kids. She craved carbs all of the time. She gained weight and while we felt bad about it, it never occurred to us that it was related to what she was eating.
We shopped at Price Club (now COSTCO), bought Cheerios in bulk, bought commercial meat / poultry in bulk and
fed her what she wanted.
She developed an eating disorder in part because she didn't like the food in the cafeteria (all factory food) and in part because by not eating she lost weight. She got the flu and began to vomit blood. Then we were in the death spiral of anti-depressants, which almost cost us her life.
Once we figured out that she had a wheat sensitivity, removed all soy from her diet and fed her "real" food she got better pretty quickly. She does have a lasting effect in terms of hypothyroidism and all of the issues that entails.
I challenge any parent to remove soy, pre-packaged meals, corporately farmed food, and eliminate all foods containing hormones / antibiotics for six months and then tell me that they and / or their kid needs to be conscious of the calories that they are consuming. Because, I am betting that the kids (and the parents) will be satiated more quickly.
I LOVE bread / pasta / homemade pastry... I eat it sparingly and I do okay. But, I can't eat some foods at popular chains because of WHATEVER is in it disagrees with me. My hubs, on the other hand doesn't seem affected.
He was brought up on a dairy farm and walked around in manure bare footed. Until he got bit by a tick and ended up in the ER and had to have massive doses of antibiotics due to cellulitis he never got sick... EVER.
So, for some, I think it's more about the gut biome and the intestinal tract than it is what you eat. My daughter also had massive antibiotics due to sepsis (diagnosed kidney infection) so her gut was compromised from the very beginning...
I had both norovirus and the flu that laid me low for weeks and lost my ability to "move" anything at all... once I took flagyl and some other anti-parasitics (Bacteril and doTerra On-Guard) I got better pretty quickly... You have both good bugs and bad bugs in your gut and Americans can and do get parasites... we just don't talk about it nor do we treat ourselves for them unless it's Lice or Pin worms...
I am saying all of this because people are different and there is no one sized fits all solution to why people are crampy / bloated, etc.
In 1985 my 9 year old sister got her first period....i was 10.....never heard of soya then.
I was 10 and it was 1983. Puberty at that age was not and is not abnormal @Sunna_W9 -
It's more than just wheat. There are many manufactured foods out there (and illnesses) that create sensitivities for SOME people (not all).
There has been so much more data available now as apposed to 28 years ago when my daughter was small. It makes me angry that I didn't know what I didn't know.
What I wished I had known:
Soy can be an endocrine disruptor and can affect growth rate, cause early onset of menarche in girls, and delayed puberty in boys (as well as a host of fertility / thyroid problems in men and women)
Pre-packaged meals often contain chemicals / additives that the body cannot assimilate, e.g. GMOs. Some people are bothered by them, other people are not.
Corporately farmed food may not be as healthy as food farmed by traditional methods
Hormones / antibiotics in food can contribute to digestive and other issues
We tend to blame it on excess calories; but, what if the food we are feeding our kids (and ourselves) actually affects their brains and how their bodies process food for nutrition? What if their brains are telling them that they are still hungry (because they are)?
For example,
My daughter had a wheat allergy and we didn't know it. Baby formula had wheat in it. She was fed soy milk exclusively. Her adult teeth stopped growing, her growth plates stopped and she got her period at 10 years old. (That is not normal. A generation ago, women got their periods between the ages of 13 and 14.)
I was among those parents who thought that those frozen Kidz Meals and Happy Meals were healthy. I freely fed her pizza, hot dogs, french fries, all of the stuff people feed their kids. She craved carbs all of the time. She gained weight and while we felt bad about it, it never occurred to us that it was related to what she was eating.
We shopped at Price Club (now COSTCO), bought Cheerios in bulk, bought commercial meat / poultry in bulk and
fed her what she wanted.
She developed an eating disorder in part because she didn't like the food in the cafeteria (all factory food) and in part because by not eating she lost weight. She got the flu and began to vomit blood. Then we were in the death spiral of anti-depressants, which almost cost us her life.
Once we figured out that she had a wheat sensitivity, removed all soy from her diet and fed her "real" food she got better pretty quickly. She does have a lasting effect in terms of hypothyroidism and all of the issues that entails.
I challenge any parent to remove soy, pre-packaged meals, corporately farmed food, and eliminate all foods containing hormones / antibiotics for six months and then tell me that they and / or their kid needs to be conscious of the calories that they are consuming. Because, I am betting that the kids (and the parents) will be satiated more quickly.
I LOVE bread / pasta / homemade pastry... I eat it sparingly and I do okay. But, I can't eat some foods at popular chains because of WHATEVER is in it disagrees with me. My hubs, on the other hand doesn't seem affected.
He was brought up on a dairy farm and walked around in manure bare footed. Until he got bit by a tick and ended up in the ER and had to have massive doses of antibiotics due to cellulitis he never got sick... EVER.
So, for some, I think it's more about the gut biome and the intestinal tract than it is what you eat. My daughter also had massive antibiotics due to sepsis (diagnosed kidney infection) so her gut was compromised from the very beginning...
I had both norovirus and the flu that laid me low for weeks and lost my ability to "move" anything at all... once I took flagyl and some other anti-parasitics (Bacteril and doTerra On-Guard) I got better pretty quickly... You have both good bugs and bad bugs in your gut and Americans can and do get parasites... we just don't talk about it nor do we treat ourselves for them unless it's Lice or Pin worms...
I am saying all of this because people are different and there is no one sized fits all solution to why people are crampy / bloated, etc.
GMOs are neither additives or chemicals, except in the sense that all food and water are chemicals.
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suzannesimmons3 wrote: »It's more than just wheat. There are many manufactured foods out there (and illnesses) that create sensitivities for SOME people (not all).
There has been so much more data available now as apposed to 28 years ago when my daughter was small. It makes me angry that I didn't know what I didn't know.
What I wished I had known:
Soy can be an endocrine disruptor and can affect growth rate, cause early onset of menarche in girls, and delayed puberty in boys (as well as a host of fertility / thyroid problems in men and women)
Pre-packaged meals often contain chemicals / additives that the body cannot assimilate, e.g. GMOs. Some people are bothered by them, other people are not.
Corporately farmed food may not be as healthy as food farmed by traditional methods
Hormones / antibiotics in food can contribute to digestive and other issues
We tend to blame it on excess calories; but, what if the food we are feeding our kids (and ourselves) actually affects their brains and how their bodies process food for nutrition? What if their brains are telling them that they are still hungry (because they are)?
For example,
My daughter had a wheat allergy and we didn't know it. Baby formula had wheat in it. She was fed soy milk exclusively. Her adult teeth stopped growing, her growth plates stopped and she got her period at 10 years old. (That is not normal. A generation ago, women got their periods between the ages of 13 and 14.)
I was among those parents who thought that those frozen Kidz Meals and Happy Meals were healthy. I freely fed her pizza, hot dogs, french fries, all of the stuff people feed their kids. She craved carbs all of the time. She gained weight and while we felt bad about it, it never occurred to us that it was related to what she was eating.
We shopped at Price Club (now COSTCO), bought Cheerios in bulk, bought commercial meat / poultry in bulk and
fed her what she wanted.
She developed an eating disorder in part because she didn't like the food in the cafeteria (all factory food) and in part because by not eating she lost weight. She got the flu and began to vomit blood. Then we were in the death spiral of anti-depressants, which almost cost us her life.
Once we figured out that she had a wheat sensitivity, removed all soy from her diet and fed her "real" food she got better pretty quickly. She does have a lasting effect in terms of hypothyroidism and all of the issues that entails.
I challenge any parent to remove soy, pre-packaged meals, corporately farmed food, and eliminate all foods containing hormones / antibiotics for six months and then tell me that they and / or their kid needs to be conscious of the calories that they are consuming. Because, I am betting that the kids (and the parents) will be satiated more quickly.
I LOVE bread / pasta / homemade pastry... I eat it sparingly and I do okay. But, I can't eat some foods at popular chains because of WHATEVER is in it disagrees with me. My hubs, on the other hand doesn't seem affected.
He was brought up on a dairy farm and walked around in manure bare footed. Until he got bit by a tick and ended up in the ER and had to have massive doses of antibiotics due to cellulitis he never got sick... EVER.
So, for some, I think it's more about the gut biome and the intestinal tract than it is what you eat. My daughter also had massive antibiotics due to sepsis (diagnosed kidney infection) so her gut was compromised from the very beginning...
I had both norovirus and the flu that laid me low for weeks and lost my ability to "move" anything at all... once I took flagyl and some other anti-parasitics (Bacteril and doTerra On-Guard) I got better pretty quickly... You have both good bugs and bad bugs in your gut and Americans can and do get parasites... we just don't talk about it nor do we treat ourselves for them unless it's Lice or Pin worms...
I am saying all of this because people are different and there is no one sized fits all solution to why people are crampy / bloated, etc.
In 1985 my 9 year old sister got her first period....i was 10.....never heard of soya then.
I got mine at 11 in 1983. I went vegetarian some eight years later and apart from the odd bit of soy sauce in a stirfry? I probably had my first tofu dish maybe six months before I 'officially' cut out meat.6 -
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It's more than just wheat. There are many manufactured foods out there (and illnesses) that create sensitivities for SOME people (not all).
There has been so much more data available now as apposed to 28 years ago when my daughter was small. It makes me angry that I didn't know what I didn't know.
What I wished I had known:
Soy can be an endocrine disruptor and can affect growth rate, cause early onset of menarche in girls, and delayed puberty in boys (as well as a host of fertility / thyroid problems in men and women)
Pre-packaged meals often contain chemicals / additives that the body cannot assimilate, e.g. GMOs. Some people are bothered by them, other people are not.
Corporately farmed food may not be as healthy as food farmed by traditional methods
Hormones / antibiotics in food can contribute to digestive and other issues
We tend to blame it on excess calories; but, what if the food we are feeding our kids (and ourselves) actually affects their brains and how their bodies process food for nutrition? What if their brains are telling them that they are still hungry (because they are)?
For example,
My daughter had a wheat allergy and we didn't know it. Baby formula had wheat in it. She was fed soy milk exclusively. Her adult teeth stopped growing, her growth plates stopped and she got her period at 10 years old. (That is not normal. A generation ago, women got their periods between the ages of 13 and 14.)
I was among those parents who thought that those frozen Kidz Meals and Happy Meals were healthy. I freely fed her pizza, hot dogs, french fries, all of the stuff people feed their kids. She craved carbs all of the time. She gained weight and while we felt bad about it, it never occurred to us that it was related to what she was eating.
We shopped at Price Club (now COSTCO), bought Cheerios in bulk, bought commercial meat / poultry in bulk and
fed her what she wanted.
She developed an eating disorder in part because she didn't like the food in the cafeteria (all factory food) and in part because by not eating she lost weight. She got the flu and began to vomit blood. Then we were in the death spiral of anti-depressants, which almost cost us her life.
Once we figured out that she had a wheat sensitivity, removed all soy from her diet and fed her "real" food she got better pretty quickly. She does have a lasting effect in terms of hypothyroidism and all of the issues that entails.
I challenge any parent to remove soy, pre-packaged meals, corporately farmed food, and eliminate all foods containing hormones / antibiotics for six months and then tell me that they and / or their kid needs to be conscious of the calories that they are consuming. Because, I am betting that the kids (and the parents) will be satiated more quickly.
I LOVE bread / pasta / homemade pastry... I eat it sparingly and I do okay. But, I can't eat some foods at popular chains because of WHATEVER is in it disagrees with me. My hubs, on the other hand doesn't seem affected.
He was brought up on a dairy farm and walked around in manure bare footed. Until he got bit by a tick and ended up in the ER and had to have massive doses of antibiotics due to cellulitis he never got sick... EVER.
So, for some, I think it's more about the gut biome and the intestinal tract than it is what you eat. My daughter also had massive antibiotics due to sepsis (diagnosed kidney infection) so her gut was compromised from the very beginning...
I had both norovirus and the flu that laid me low for weeks and lost my ability to "move" anything at all... once I took flagyl and some other anti-parasitics (Bacteril and doTerra On-Guard) I got better pretty quickly... You have both good bugs and bad bugs in your gut and Americans can and do get parasites... we just don't talk about it nor do we treat ourselves for them unless it's Lice or Pin worms...
I am saying all of this because people are different and there is no one sized fits all solution to why people are crampy / bloated, etc.
Could you please, for once, post something based on reality, and, you know, science?20 -
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suzannesimmons3 wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »suzannesimmons3 wrote: »It's more than just wheat. There are many manufactured foods out there (and illnesses) that create sensitivities for SOME people (not all).
There has been so much more data available now as apposed to 28 years ago when my daughter was small. It makes me angry that I didn't know what I didn't know.
What I wished I had known:
Soy can be an endocrine disruptor and can affect growth rate, cause early onset of menarche in girls, and delayed puberty in boys (as well as a host of fertility / thyroid problems in men and women)
Pre-packaged meals often contain chemicals / additives that the body cannot assimilate, e.g. GMOs. Some people are bothered by them, other people are not.
Corporately farmed food may not be as healthy as food farmed by traditional methods
Hormones / antibiotics in food can contribute to digestive and other issues
We tend to blame it on excess calories; but, what if the food we are feeding our kids (and ourselves) actually affects their brains and how their bodies process food for nutrition? What if their brains are telling them that they are still hungry (because they are)?
For example,
My daughter had a wheat allergy and we didn't know it. Baby formula had wheat in it. She was fed soy milk exclusively. Her adult teeth stopped growing, her growth plates stopped and she got her period at 10 years old. (That is not normal. A generation ago, women got their periods between the ages of 13 and 14.)
I was among those parents who thought that those frozen Kidz Meals and Happy Meals were healthy. I freely fed her pizza, hot dogs, french fries, all of the stuff people feed their kids. She craved carbs all of the time. She gained weight and while we felt bad about it, it never occurred to us that it was related to what she was eating.
We shopped at Price Club (now COSTCO), bought Cheerios in bulk, bought commercial meat / poultry in bulk and
fed her what she wanted.
She developed an eating disorder in part because she didn't like the food in the cafeteria (all factory food) and in part because by not eating she lost weight. She got the flu and began to vomit blood. Then we were in the death spiral of anti-depressants, which almost cost us her life.
Once we figured out that she had a wheat sensitivity, removed all soy from her diet and fed her "real" food she got better pretty quickly. She does have a lasting effect in terms of hypothyroidism and all of the issues that entails.
I challenge any parent to remove soy, pre-packaged meals, corporately farmed food, and eliminate all foods containing hormones / antibiotics for six months and then tell me that they and / or their kid needs to be conscious of the calories that they are consuming. Because, I am betting that the kids (and the parents) will be satiated more quickly.
I LOVE bread / pasta / homemade pastry... I eat it sparingly and I do okay. But, I can't eat some foods at popular chains because of WHATEVER is in it disagrees with me. My hubs, on the other hand doesn't seem affected.
He was brought up on a dairy farm and walked around in manure bare footed. Until he got bit by a tick and ended up in the ER and had to have massive doses of antibiotics due to cellulitis he never got sick... EVER.
So, for some, I think it's more about the gut biome and the intestinal tract than it is what you eat. My daughter also had massive antibiotics due to sepsis (diagnosed kidney infection) so her gut was compromised from the very beginning...
I had both norovirus and the flu that laid me low for weeks and lost my ability to "move" anything at all... once I took flagyl and some other anti-parasitics (Bacteril and doTerra On-Guard) I got better pretty quickly... You have both good bugs and bad bugs in your gut and Americans can and do get parasites... we just don't talk about it nor do we treat ourselves for them unless it's Lice or Pin worms...
I am saying all of this because people are different and there is no one sized fits all solution to why people are crampy / bloated, etc.
In 1985 my 9 year old sister got her first period....i was 10.....never heard of soya then.
I got mine at 11 in 1983. I went vegetarian some eight years later and apart from the odd bit of soy sauce in a stirfry? I probably had my first tofu dish maybe six months before I 'officially' cut out meat.
My mum was old school....home cooked.. no pre packed meals and yet we still had early periods....99% of my school mates had periods before 12 and the rest by 14. ...nothing sinister about "early" puberty
I was starting to feel seriously abnormal for having gotten my period at 10...
PS: I don't eat soja because of an intolerance and grew up in an era where it wasn't in pretty much everything... I still have messed up hormones that require treatment. So sorry, but you can't blame the food for everything. Sometimes *kitten* just happens in systems as tightly regulated and complex as the human body. If that weren't the case, then there'd be no need for doctors (as in at all).2 -
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I got my period at age 11, back in 1976, before soy. That was kind of a normal age for most of my friends, 11 or 12. Do you mean the generation before?
I think there are a lot of not so good things in food, and I stopped eating tofu and drinking soy milk at least a decade ago. I don't recall having any negative reactions to it, but upon hearing the warnings about the estrogens, I stopped. I avoid GMO foods whenever possible. Obviously if I eat out and it's not a restaurant that serves organic food there is no way to tell.
I'm sorry about what happened to your daughter, and glad that you eventually discovered the problem.
I have read Wheat Belly and did lo carb dieting before that. I THOUGHT I had some kind of problem with carbs, in the past. I seemed to feel better cutting back the wheat products and I did lose on lo carb. However, I'm now eating carbs (including pasta and bread) all the time and I'm losing weight steadily counting calories. I have a friend who has celiac disease so I do believe there are some problems with wheat for some people. I don't think that affect me anymore thank goodness! Overeating and obesity was my problem--all of my digestive issues (except for lactose sensitivity) seemed to have disappeared with my weight loss. (I've lost 32 lbs. so far, 68 to go).7 -
My mother lived in rural Australia and was born in 1942 - she probably never ate any soy at all in her childhood and living on a farm in a rural area back then, ate very little non home cooked from scratch food.
She got her period at 9.
There has always been a range of normal ages for puberty - first period at 9 is early end of normal - was in 1951 and is now.
A generation ago, most girls did not get their period between 13 and 14 - some did - but average age both then and now is younger than that -probably more like 12 - with a 3 year range of normal either side - ie anywhere between 9 and 154
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