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Sure Italians die--but at what age compared to Americans? I say Americans since you compared the population of the US to Italians. Have you ever traveled here and looked around, seen the natives, so to speak? As for gluten free, yes it's reared it's expensive little head. We'll see how long it lasts. Who knows, with my "leaky gut" I may not live to see it recede.
Very similar ages to Americans, its all in the links...6 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Fact: people who don't eat grains die.
100% of murders are committed by someone who has consumed water in the last 48 hrs...
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pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
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Just going to be pedantic here, but electroshock/ECT is still a treatment. My aunt has had multiple rounds in the last year to deal with literally debilitating (won't eat, drink, bathe, speak) mental illness.
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pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
High carbohydrate diet is a positive CVD risk factor because it is related with insulin resistance, poor circulation, abdominal fat distribution, high plasma triglycerides level, low HDL cholesterol and oxidative stress. This is high school biology stuff that I am sure they teach at nutrition school.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/carbs-higher-risk-heart-disease-states-leading-cardiologist-dr-salim-yusuf/
https://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
https://thenoakesfoundation.org/news/blog/the-low-fat-diet-does-not-prevent-arterial-disease-it-causes-it-prof-noakes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17093250
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19506174
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16287956
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26178720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25178568
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29178536
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/106/1/35
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/147/7/1267.abstract?sid=4a3383f9-048b-4040-9f09-d41ebaf08d72
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/10/769
https://www.docsopinion.com/2017/06/13/low-fat-high-carb-insulin-resistance-fatty-liver/
http://www.cochrane.org/CD005051/VASC_whole-grain-cereals-cardiovascular-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/2/133.full.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
You can Google the rest. I am not sure where you learnt about nutrition in order to teach people, but I think your knowledge of how the body works is a little out-dated, misunderstood and scary if you are teaching others.
Longest living and healthiest populations all eat high carb/low fat diets. I think you don't even know the basics bro. I'll just leave this here.#byefelicia
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pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
High carbohydrate diet is a positive CVD risk factor because it is related with insulin resistance, poor circulation, abdominal fat distribution, high plasma triglycerides level, low HDL cholesterol and oxidative stress. This is high school biology stuff that I am sure they teach at nutrition school.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/carbs-higher-risk-heart-disease-states-leading-cardiologist-dr-salim-yusuf/
https://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
https://thenoakesfoundation.org/news/blog/the-low-fat-diet-does-not-prevent-arterial-disease-it-causes-it-prof-noakes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17093250
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19506174
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16287956
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26178720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25178568
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29178536
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/106/1/35
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/147/7/1267.abstract?sid=4a3383f9-048b-4040-9f09-d41ebaf08d72
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/10/769
https://www.docsopinion.com/2017/06/13/low-fat-high-carb-insulin-resistance-fatty-liver/
http://www.cochrane.org/CD005051/VASC_whole-grain-cereals-cardiovascular-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/2/133.full.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
You can Google the rest. I am not sure where you learnt about nutrition in order to teach people, but I think your knowledge of how the body works is a little out-dated, misunderstood and scary if you are teaching others.
NONE of these articles prove causation of cvd from carbs.16 -
pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
High carbohydrate diet is a positive CVD risk factor because it is related with insulin resistance, poor circulation, abdominal fat distribution, high plasma triglycerides level, low HDL cholesterol and oxidative stress. This is high school biology stuff that I am sure they teach at nutrition school.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/carbs-higher-risk-heart-disease-states-leading-cardiologist-dr-salim-yusuf/
https://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
https://thenoakesfoundation.org/news/blog/the-low-fat-diet-does-not-prevent-arterial-disease-it-causes-it-prof-noakes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17093250
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19506174
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16287956
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26178720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25178568
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29178536
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/106/1/35
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/147/7/1267.abstract?sid=4a3383f9-048b-4040-9f09-d41ebaf08d72
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/10/769
https://www.docsopinion.com/2017/06/13/low-fat-high-carb-insulin-resistance-fatty-liver/
http://www.cochrane.org/CD005051/VASC_whole-grain-cereals-cardiovascular-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/2/133.full.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
You can Google the rest. I am not sure where you learnt about nutrition in order to teach people, but I think your knowledge of how the body works is a little out-dated, misunderstood and scary if you are teaching others.
Pot. Kettle.7 -
sunfastrose wrote: »pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
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Just going to be pedantic here, but electroshock/ECT is still a treatment. My aunt has had multiple rounds in the last year to deal with literally debilitating (won't eat, drink, bathe, speak) mental illness.
Sorry, I should have quantified, it was widespread for numerous mental illnesses rather than a very few specific instances today.1 -
geneticsteacher wrote: »pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
High carbohydrate diet is a positive CVD risk factor because it is related with insulin resistance, poor circulation, abdominal fat distribution, high plasma triglycerides level, low HDL cholesterol and oxidative stress. This is high school biology stuff that I am sure they teach at nutrition school.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/carbs-higher-risk-heart-disease-states-leading-cardiologist-dr-salim-yusuf/
https://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
https://thenoakesfoundation.org/news/blog/the-low-fat-diet-does-not-prevent-arterial-disease-it-causes-it-prof-noakes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17093250
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19506174
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16287956
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26178720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25178568
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29178536
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/106/1/35
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/147/7/1267.abstract?sid=4a3383f9-048b-4040-9f09-d41ebaf08d72
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/10/769
https://www.docsopinion.com/2017/06/13/low-fat-high-carb-insulin-resistance-fatty-liver/
http://www.cochrane.org/CD005051/VASC_whole-grain-cereals-cardiovascular-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/2/133.full.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
You can Google the rest. I am not sure where you learnt about nutrition in order to teach people, but I think your knowledge of how the body works is a little out-dated, misunderstood and scary if you are teaching others.
NONE of these articles prove causation of cvd from carbs.
Please do point out which of the 19 studies you read (in 1hr 40 mins?!?) that you disagree with and which conclusions were wrong as I believe pretty much all of them are peer reviewed and from published experts in their field.....10 -
I did not say the studies were wrong. Have you heard the expression "Correlation does not equal causation"?11
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russelljam08 wrote: »pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
High carbohydrate diet is a positive CVD risk factor because it is related with insulin resistance, poor circulation, abdominal fat distribution, high plasma triglycerides level, low HDL cholesterol and oxidative stress. This is high school biology stuff that I am sure they teach at nutrition school.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/carbs-higher-risk-heart-disease-states-leading-cardiologist-dr-salim-yusuf/
https://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
https://thenoakesfoundation.org/news/blog/the-low-fat-diet-does-not-prevent-arterial-disease-it-causes-it-prof-noakes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17093250
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19506174
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16287956
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26178720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25178568
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29178536
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/106/1/35
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/147/7/1267.abstract?sid=4a3383f9-048b-4040-9f09-d41ebaf08d72
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/10/769
https://www.docsopinion.com/2017/06/13/low-fat-high-carb-insulin-resistance-fatty-liver/
http://www.cochrane.org/CD005051/VASC_whole-grain-cereals-cardiovascular-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/2/133.full.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
You can Google the rest. I am not sure where you learnt about nutrition in order to teach people, but I think your knowledge of how the body works is a little out-dated, misunderstood and scary if you are teaching others.
Longest living and healthiest populations all eat high carb/low fat diets. I think you don't even know the basics bro. I'll just leave this here.#byefelicia
Well the graph has just left me without a leg to stand on. Why didnt I think of that? Joking aside I will look into the Okinawa study as that sounds really interesting, although the devil is always in the detail.9 -
Wynterbourne wrote: »pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
High carbohydrate diet is a positive CVD risk factor because it is related with insulin resistance, poor circulation, abdominal fat distribution, high plasma triglycerides level, low HDL cholesterol and oxidative stress. This is high school biology stuff that I am sure they teach at nutrition school.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/carbs-higher-risk-heart-disease-states-leading-cardiologist-dr-salim-yusuf/
https://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
https://thenoakesfoundation.org/news/blog/the-low-fat-diet-does-not-prevent-arterial-disease-it-causes-it-prof-noakes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17093250
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19506174
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16287956
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26178720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25178568
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29178536
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/106/1/35
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/147/7/1267.abstract?sid=4a3383f9-048b-4040-9f09-d41ebaf08d72
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/10/769
https://www.docsopinion.com/2017/06/13/low-fat-high-carb-insulin-resistance-fatty-liver/
http://www.cochrane.org/CD005051/VASC_whole-grain-cereals-cardiovascular-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/2/133.full.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
You can Google the rest. I am not sure where you learnt about nutrition in order to teach people, but I think your knowledge of how the body works is a little out-dated, misunderstood and scary if you are teaching others.
Pot. Kettle.
We could go on all day, but you are providing no evidence or counter argument to anything I have said, that's just not helping your argument. By all means give me examples of where I am at fault or incorrect. I have given 19 different studies that clearly detail the link of excess carbohydrate and CVD and by extension how basic human biology works within the body.
Its really simple, excess carbs = systemic inflammation = arterial inflammation = endothelial legions = VLDL / LDL particles to the rescue = Macrophages to attempt plaque removal = no HDL to remove foam cells = atherosclerosis = CVD = Heart attack / Stroke. And so the cycle goes on...
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geneticsteacher wrote: »I did not say the studies were wrong. Have you heard the expression "Correlation does not equal causation"?
geneticsteacher wrote: »I did not say the studies were wrong. Have you heard the expression "Correlation does not equal causation"?
Yes, once or twice. I really dont know what to say...
The entire pharmaceutical, medical, science and engineering world revolves around correlation vs causation and statistics. There are numerous methods for clinical research which range from randomised controlled trials to double blind studies to meta-analysis. These are the accepted standard buy the entire international medical community and this is factored into all (credible) trials. Of course nothing is 100% fact but evidence based and repeatable trials help to alleviate bias and 'one-hit-wonder' research from gaining any traction or being published.11 -
pumasareace wrote: »russelljam08 wrote: »pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
High carbohydrate diet is a positive CVD risk factor because it is related with insulin resistance, poor circulation, abdominal fat distribution, high plasma triglycerides level, low HDL cholesterol and oxidative stress. This is high school biology stuff that I am sure they teach at nutrition school.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/carbs-higher-risk-heart-disease-states-leading-cardiologist-dr-salim-yusuf/
https://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
https://thenoakesfoundation.org/news/blog/the-low-fat-diet-does-not-prevent-arterial-disease-it-causes-it-prof-noakes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17093250
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19506174
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16287956
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26178720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25178568
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29178536
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/106/1/35
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/147/7/1267.abstract?sid=4a3383f9-048b-4040-9f09-d41ebaf08d72
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/10/769
https://www.docsopinion.com/2017/06/13/low-fat-high-carb-insulin-resistance-fatty-liver/
http://www.cochrane.org/CD005051/VASC_whole-grain-cereals-cardiovascular-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/2/133.full.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
You can Google the rest. I am not sure where you learnt about nutrition in order to teach people, but I think your knowledge of how the body works is a little out-dated, misunderstood and scary if you are teaching others.
Longest living and healthiest populations all eat high carb/low fat diets. I think you don't even know the basics bro. I'll just leave this here.#byefelicia
Well the graph has just left me without a leg to stand on. Why didnt I think of that? Joking aside I will look into the Okinawa study as that sounds really interesting, although the devil is always in the detail.
Also, look into the Blue Zones and traditional cultures like Ewe Tribe and Tukisenta(90%+ carb diets), Kitavans(70% carbs) etc.5 -
pumasareace wrote: »Its really simple
IMO this is where your argument falls apart...5 -
pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
High carbohydrate diet is a positive CVD risk factor because it is related with insulin resistance, poor circulation, abdominal fat distribution, high plasma triglycerides level, low HDL cholesterol and oxidative stress. This is high school biology stuff that I am sure they teach at nutrition school.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/carbs-higher-risk-heart-disease-states-leading-cardiologist-dr-salim-yusuf/
https://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
https://thenoakesfoundation.org/news/blog/the-low-fat-diet-does-not-prevent-arterial-disease-it-causes-it-prof-noakes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17093250
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19506174
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16287956
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26178720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25178568
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29178536
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/106/1/35
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/147/7/1267.abstract?sid=4a3383f9-048b-4040-9f09-d41ebaf08d72
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/10/769
https://www.docsopinion.com/2017/06/13/low-fat-high-carb-insulin-resistance-fatty-liver/
http://www.cochrane.org/CD005051/VASC_whole-grain-cereals-cardiovascular-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/2/133.full.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
You can Google the rest. I am not sure where you learnt about nutrition in order to teach people, but I think your knowledge of how the body works is a little out-dated, misunderstood and scary if you are teaching others.
Have you read and understood these studies? If so, which studies demonstrate your hypothesis that carbs increase the risk to 1 - 10 (because there is NOT one single organization that links carbs to diabetes) and how are they delineating between increases to poor metabolic health driven by carbs vs obesity, lack of exercises and genetics? Because if you look at the healthiest places in the world, and the most regarded diets, they are largely carb and plant based; as noted, look at the blue zones, Mediterranean diet and plant based diets.
At best, most of your links support replacing carbs with plant based MUFA as a means to improve health; which this demonstrates that certain fats improve health and not that carbs are bad. In fact, it's very well known and not disputed that foods like oily fish (rich in Omega-3), avocado's and nuts, and olive oil are all linked improved health markers. But the same can be said about fruits, veggies and oats/whole grains.
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pumasareace wrote: »
Sure Italians die--but at what age compared to Americans? I say Americans since you compared the population of the US to Italians. Have you ever traveled here and looked around, seen the natives, so to speak? As for gluten free, yes it's reared it's expensive little head. We'll see how long it lasts. Who knows, with my "leaky gut" I may not live to see it recede.
Very similar ages to Americans, its all in the links...
This is not true--what about the blue zones? You can quote studies all you want--I LIVE here and know what I see, and carbs are "gasp" cheap and very healthy for people that are not allergic to them. Statistics can easily be scewed. The obesity stats on the Italian population usually includes children. For cultural reasons, Italians like fat kids. They normally slim down as they grow into adolescence. Come to Italy, it might just change your mind.3 -
pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
High carbohydrate diet is a positive CVD risk factor because it is related with insulin resistance, poor circulation, abdominal fat distribution, high plasma triglycerides level, low HDL cholesterol and oxidative stress. This is high school biology stuff that I am sure they teach at nutrition school.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/carbs-higher-risk-heart-disease-states-leading-cardiologist-dr-salim-yusuf/
https://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
https://thenoakesfoundation.org/news/blog/the-low-fat-diet-does-not-prevent-arterial-disease-it-causes-it-prof-noakes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17093250
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19506174
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16287956
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26178720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25178568
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29178536
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/106/1/35
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/147/7/1267.abstract?sid=4a3383f9-048b-4040-9f09-d41ebaf08d72
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/10/769
https://www.docsopinion.com/2017/06/13/low-fat-high-carb-insulin-resistance-fatty-liver/
http://www.cochrane.org/CD005051/VASC_whole-grain-cereals-cardiovascular-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/2/133.full.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
You can Google the rest. I am not sure where you learnt about nutrition in order to teach people, but I think your knowledge of how the body works is a little out-dated, misunderstood and scary if you are teaching others.
This looks like a technique of "if I just link a bunch of things people will assume they support my claim." They don't. If you are actually sincere, a better approach is picking a couple and discussing why you think they say what you claim they say.
Looking at the links, the first is about the recent study that https Salim Yusuf was involved in, and it does not show that carbs cause diabetes or heart disease. What it shows is that eating plain white rice as your main source of carbs, protein, and fat (which suggests some other issues with food availability) is not healthy.
See https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2017/08/29/The-5-Continent-PURE-Study-A-Prospective-Cohort-Study
The second is an opinion piece by a heart surgeon who has no reason to know more than the various heart surgeons promoting low fat/WFPB or, what I consider more reliable, the nutrition experts like Walter Willett and many others. Also, he doesn't even say what you claim, but asserts: "the overload of simple, highly processed carbohydrates (sugar, flour and all the products made from them) and the excess consumption of omega-6 vegetable oils like soybean, corn and sunflower that are found in many processed foods." That's not "carbs, all carbs, cause heart disease." Also, it's well known that veg and fruit are anti inflammatory and animal products tend to be inflammatory.
The third is an opinion bit by Tim Noakes. That's just silly.
The next says that a low carb diet (how low?) doesn't have any ill effects based on a longitudinal study. I suspect that's true. A low fat diet also does not, and high veg and fruit intake and vegetarian diets are positive (which I do not believe is because they reduce meat). If you look at the overall studies from the Nurse's study (which this is part of), they do not support the idea that "carbs" are bad or that we'd all be better off lowering them.
The next few are short term specific diet interventions, doesn't mean much.
Again, if there is one you actually think supports your claims, let's discuss it, right now it just looks like you are citing a bunch of stuff that doesn't and hoping that with enough numbers people won't challenge you (or read the citations).
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lemurcat12 wrote: »pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
High carbohydrate diet is a positive CVD risk factor because it is related with insulin resistance, poor circulation, abdominal fat distribution, high plasma triglycerides level, low HDL cholesterol and oxidative stress. This is high school biology stuff that I am sure they teach at nutrition school.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/carbs-higher-risk-heart-disease-states-leading-cardiologist-dr-salim-yusuf/
https://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
https://thenoakesfoundation.org/news/blog/the-low-fat-diet-does-not-prevent-arterial-disease-it-causes-it-prof-noakes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17093250
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19506174
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16287956
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26178720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25178568
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29178536
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/106/1/35
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/147/7/1267.abstract?sid=4a3383f9-048b-4040-9f09-d41ebaf08d72
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/10/769
https://www.docsopinion.com/2017/06/13/low-fat-high-carb-insulin-resistance-fatty-liver/
http://www.cochrane.org/CD005051/VASC_whole-grain-cereals-cardiovascular-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/2/133.full.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
You can Google the rest. I am not sure where you learnt about nutrition in order to teach people, but I think your knowledge of how the body works is a little out-dated, misunderstood and scary if you are teaching others.
This looks like a technique of "if I just link a bunch of things people will assume they support my claim." They don't. If you are actually sincere, a better approach is picking a couple and discussing why you think they say what you claim they say.
Looking at the links, the first is about the recent study that https Salim Yusuf was involved in, and it does not show that carbs cause diabetes or heart disease. What it shows is that eating plain white rice as your main source of carbs, protein, and fat (which suggests some other issues with food availability) is not healthy.
See https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2017/08/29/The-5-Continent-PURE-Study-A-Prospective-Cohort-Study
The second is an opinion piece by a heart surgeon who has no reason to know more than the various heart surgeons promoting low fat/WFPB or, what I consider more reliable, the nutrition experts like Walter Willett and many others. Also, he doesn't even say what you claim, but asserts: "the overload of simple, highly processed carbohydrates (sugar, flour and all the products made from them) and the excess consumption of omega-6 vegetable oils like soybean, corn and sunflower that are found in many processed foods." That's not "carbs, all carbs, cause heart disease." Also, it's well known that veg and fruit are anti inflammatory and animal products tend to be inflammatory.
The third is an opinion bit by Tim Noakes. That's just silly.
The next says that a low carb diet (how low?) doesn't have any ill effects based on a longitudinal study. I suspect that's true. A low fat diet also does not, and high veg and fruit intake and vegetarian diets are positive (which I do not believe is because they reduce meat). If you look at the overall studies from the Nurse's study (which this is part of), they do not support the idea that "carbs" are bad or that we'd all be better off lowering them.
The next few are short term specific diet interventions, doesn't mean much.
Again, if there is one you actually think supports your claims, let's discuss it, right now it just looks like you are citing a bunch of stuff that doesn't and hoping that with enough numbers people won't challenge you (or read the citations).
In some alternate universe, I can just wait all day to fetch coffee for you to give you more time to write posts like this.15 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
High carbohydrate diet is a positive CVD risk factor because it is related with insulin resistance, poor circulation, abdominal fat distribution, high plasma triglycerides level, low HDL cholesterol and oxidative stress. This is high school biology stuff that I am sure they teach at nutrition school.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/carbs-higher-risk-heart-disease-states-leading-cardiologist-dr-salim-yusuf/
https://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
https://thenoakesfoundation.org/news/blog/the-low-fat-diet-does-not-prevent-arterial-disease-it-causes-it-prof-noakes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17093250
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19506174
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16287956
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26178720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25178568
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29178536
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/106/1/35
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/147/7/1267.abstract?sid=4a3383f9-048b-4040-9f09-d41ebaf08d72
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/10/769
https://www.docsopinion.com/2017/06/13/low-fat-high-carb-insulin-resistance-fatty-liver/
http://www.cochrane.org/CD005051/VASC_whole-grain-cereals-cardiovascular-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/2/133.full.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
You can Google the rest. I am not sure where you learnt about nutrition in order to teach people, but I think your knowledge of how the body works is a little out-dated, misunderstood and scary if you are teaching others.
This looks like a technique of "if I just link a bunch of things people will assume they support my claim." They don't. If you are actually sincere, a better approach is picking a couple and discussing why you think they say what you claim they say.
...
Again, if there is one you actually think supports your claims, let's discuss it, right now it just looks like you are citing a bunch of stuff that doesn't and hoping that with enough numbers people won't challenge you (or read the citations).
Kinda like going to livestrong.
'Here's an article we wrote about some new fad greatness! Hey - here's some links to some sciencey-looking websites, including a study done on this fad! Oh, don't read them - because they say the exact opposite of what we're saying; and/or simply don't support our claims.'
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »pumasareace wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »"2. Italians die of exactly the same illnesses as the population of the USA, these are caused by lifestyle which in no small part comes down to diet. #1 cause - Heart Disease (excess carbs), #2 Stroke (high blood pressure), #4 Hypertension (excess salt, carbs), #5 Alzheimers (lack of healthy fats), #6 Diabetes (excess carbs), #8 Colo-rectal cancer (lack of digestive health) #10 pancreatic cancer (Obesity, diabetes, lack of vitamin absorbtion). Looking at the UK and USA is a very similar story with an almost identical age spread. You are correct about the cause of death for younger people being through smoking."
In all the years I taught nutrition and after multiple conversations with a cardiologist at The Cleveland Clinic, I can find no evidence that excess carbs cause heart disease.
HRT for menopausal women, Thalidomide in pregnancy, electric shocks for mental illness, no kissing of newborn babies were all once taught. Science is a beautiful thing as it constantly evolves and changes.
High carbohydrate diet is a positive CVD risk factor because it is related with insulin resistance, poor circulation, abdominal fat distribution, high plasma triglycerides level, low HDL cholesterol and oxidative stress. This is high school biology stuff that I am sure they teach at nutrition school.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/in-depth/carbs-higher-risk-heart-disease-states-leading-cardiologist-dr-salim-yusuf/
https://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
https://thenoakesfoundation.org/news/blog/the-low-fat-diet-does-not-prevent-arterial-disease-it-causes-it-prof-noakes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17093250
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19506174
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16287956
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26178720
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25178568
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29178536
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/106/1/35
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/147/7/1267.abstract?sid=4a3383f9-048b-4040-9f09-d41ebaf08d72
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/10/769
https://www.docsopinion.com/2017/06/13/low-fat-high-carb-insulin-resistance-fatty-liver/
http://www.cochrane.org/CD005051/VASC_whole-grain-cereals-cardiovascular-disease
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/51/2/133.full.pdf
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext
http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/15/1111
You can Google the rest. I am not sure where you learnt about nutrition in order to teach people, but I think your knowledge of how the body works is a little out-dated, misunderstood and scary if you are teaching others.
This looks like a technique of "if I just link a bunch of things people will assume they support my claim." They don't. If you are actually sincere, a better approach is picking a couple and discussing why you think they say what you claim they say.
Looking at the links, the first is about the recent study that https Salim Yusuf was involved in, and it does not show that carbs cause diabetes or heart disease. What it shows is that eating plain white rice as your main source of carbs, protein, and fat (which suggests some other issues with food availability) is not healthy.
See https://www.thenutritionwonk.com/single-post/2017/08/29/The-5-Continent-PURE-Study-A-Prospective-Cohort-Study
The second is an opinion piece by a heart surgeon who has no reason to know more than the various heart surgeons promoting low fat/WFPB or, what I consider more reliable, the nutrition experts like Walter Willett and many others. Also, he doesn't even say what you claim, but asserts: "the overload of simple, highly processed carbohydrates (sugar, flour and all the products made from them) and the excess consumption of omega-6 vegetable oils like soybean, corn and sunflower that are found in many processed foods." That's not "carbs, all carbs, cause heart disease." Also, it's well known that veg and fruit are anti inflammatory and animal products tend to be inflammatory.
The third is an opinion bit by Tim Noakes. That's just silly.
The next says that a low carb diet (how low?) doesn't have any ill effects based on a longitudinal study. I suspect that's true. A low fat diet also does not, and high veg and fruit intake and vegetarian diets are positive (which I do not believe is because they reduce meat). If you look at the overall studies from the Nurse's study (which this is part of), they do not support the idea that "carbs" are bad or that we'd all be better off lowering them.
The next few are short term specific diet interventions, doesn't mean much.
Again, if there is one you actually think supports your claims, let's discuss it, right now it just looks like you are citing a bunch of stuff that doesn't and hoping that with enough numbers people won't challenge you (or read the citations).
In some alternate universe, I can just wait all day to fetch coffee for you to give you more time to write posts like this.
I'll be your relief shift! Pure awesomeness right there.8
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