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elliemae1981 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Stop trying to justify undereating.
It's not healthy.
Had doctors tell me the same thing. But I always felt like crap after eating what they reccomend. I end up more tired and end up constantly in the bathroom. Eliminating fat is the only thing that helps uc and if eliminating fat also means less calories and I don't feel sick and weak then it's worth the low calories to feel normal. I occasionally eat something with more fat but I end up feeling sick. This is more than for weight-loss, it's to control a major health condition. I just know what my body can physically tolerate.
5'4 197 pounds. Down from 290 pounds. Goal is 110-115 pounds2 -
kommodevaran wrote: »Do you mean that your calorie target is 1520, but you usually just eat 1000? Whether it's undereating or bad logging, it has to stop, along with the food guilt. Maybe you can make and bring a sandwich from home to better control your calories, and still eat food you enjoy.
This. It's not a healthy relationship with for not a good mindset to have. The goal is the goal for a reason. You don't get bonus points for severely undereating. And you're in for a stressful time having so much guilt associated with your food choices.9 -
elliemae1981 wrote: »Wanted to take a salad to work today but for some reason the salad I had went bad so I went to a local convience store to get one and they didn't have any made and didn't have time to wait so I just grabbed a chicken sandwich. Didn't realize it was 770 calories! I think that I just really messed up. My calories are 1,520. I never get to that usually eating just a little over a 1,000 except for yesterday I logged over 1,300. Feeling guilty about the calorie amount of this one sandwich. Guess I need to make sure the salad I have in my fridge is good the night before.
don't feel bad if you go a little over because stuff just simply happens. the only real time you want to worry about your goal is if its constantly happening and not a one type deal. But feeling guilty does you no good just take it as a learning ex. But if possible i'd make my own salads with a little prep time to make sure you have a back up in case something happens. But only three salads in advance not a weeks worth sense a weeks worth would wilt and damage the nutrition of the remaining. home made salads normally are lower in calories and depending on what you add into it can be packed far more than lettuce salads you get at the store.
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FYI- 1500 is the GOAL.
You should strive to hit that goal- not "eat under it"
don't feel guilty- you are doing nothing wrong.6 -
At 5'4" and 197 lbs you could and SHOULD be eating more. If you've gone low fat, you really should replace the loss of those calories with more protein or carbs.10
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moosmum1972 wrote: »elliemae1981 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Stop trying to justify undereating.
It's not healthy.
Had doctors tell me the same thing. But I always felt like crap after eating what they reccomend. I end up more tired and end up constantly in the bathroom. Eliminating fat is the only thing that helps uc and if eliminating fat also means less calories and I don't feel sick and weak then it's worth the low calories to feel normal. I occasionally eat something with more fat but I end up feeling sick. This is more than for weight-loss, it's to control a major health condition. I just know what my body can physically tolerate.
Then you need to let your doctor know you are starving yourself.
Stopped going to the doctor, they were doing nothing for me. Expensive meds and diets I couldn't tolerate. Making me even more sick causing me to get dizzy and fall causing injuries. When I'm not busy I eat 1,100 to 1,200. I don't mind eating 500 in one meal, but one item being that high in calories bothers me. It actually had more fat than I allow in my diet and have been to the bathroom several times today. So its been a big mistake all because I was in a hurry not to be late for work.11 -
I was just like you, eating way under, I also dealt with anorexia for the vast majority of my life. Even though I have recovered from anorexia, I still struggle with the mentality but I have gotten better. I know it is scary to see such high numbers when it comes to calories and honestly you will make every excuse in the book as to why you are eating less. Now, that’s not to say that sometimes some foods don’t make us sick because it does, but you can add other foods that can be better for you. Eat more fruits, low calorie treats, but do not eat below what the goal is. You will lose so much nutrients, regardless of vitamins you are taking. Make that goal important because your body needs you to do so. Stop punishing yourself, you will be miserable quite frankly. Then once you reach that weight, it will not be sustainable because there is no way you can go on everyday life eating so little. All that hard work will be for nothing and you will gain all the weight back plus more. So as everyone has said, eat at your calorie goal and do not feel guilty. There shouldn’t be any guilt from properly nourishing your body. Also, at your height, your goal weight is wayyyy under and at the lowest frame so you should reconsider it.9
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moosmum1972 wrote: »elliemae1981 wrote: »moosmum1972 wrote: »elliemae1981 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Stop trying to justify undereating.
It's not healthy.
Had doctors tell me the same thing. But I always felt like crap after eating what they reccomend. I end up more tired and end up constantly in the bathroom. Eliminating fat is the only thing that helps uc and if eliminating fat also means less calories and I don't feel sick and weak then it's worth the low calories to feel normal. I occasionally eat something with more fat but I end up feeling sick. This is more than for weight-loss, it's to control a major health condition. I just know what my body can physically tolerate.
Then you need to let your doctor know you are starving yourself.
Stopped going to the doctor, they were doing nothing for me. Expensive meds and diets I couldn't tolerate. Making me even more sick causing me to get dizzy and fall causing injuries. When I'm not busy I eat 1,100 to 1,200. I don't mind eating 500 in one meal, but one item being that high in calories bothers me. It actually had more fat than I allow in my diet and have been to the bathroom several times today. So its been a big mistake all because I was in a hurry not to be late for work.
If you continue to eat under 1200 we cannot give you advice apart from eat more because vlcd are against mfp guidines and cannot be discussed or encouraged.
A vlcd is 800 calories a day, get your facts straight18 -
moosmum1972 wrote: »elliemae1981 wrote: »moosmum1972 wrote: »elliemae1981 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Stop trying to justify undereating.
It's not healthy.
Had doctors tell me the same thing. But I always felt like crap after eating what they reccomend. I end up more tired and end up constantly in the bathroom. Eliminating fat is the only thing that helps uc and if eliminating fat also means less calories and I don't feel sick and weak then it's worth the low calories to feel normal. I occasionally eat something with more fat but I end up feeling sick. This is more than for weight-loss, it's to control a major health condition. I just know what my body can physically tolerate.
Then you need to let your doctor know you are starving yourself.
Stopped going to the doctor, they were doing nothing for me. Expensive meds and diets I couldn't tolerate. Making me even more sick causing me to get dizzy and fall causing injuries. When I'm not busy I eat 1,100 to 1,200. I don't mind eating 500 in one meal, but one item being that high in calories bothers me. It actually had more fat than I allow in my diet and have been to the bathroom several times today. So its been a big mistake all because I was in a hurry not to be late for work.
If you continue to eat under 1200 we cannot give you advice apart from eat more because vlcd are against mfp guidines and cannot be discussed or encouraged.
And by the way mfp states 1,000-1,200 for women and 1,200-1,500 for men so according to mfp I'm not in danger. Get your facts in check15 -
elliemae1981 wrote: »moosmum1972 wrote: »elliemae1981 wrote: »moosmum1972 wrote: »elliemae1981 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Stop trying to justify undereating.
It's not healthy.
Had doctors tell me the same thing. But I always felt like crap after eating what they reccomend. I end up more tired and end up constantly in the bathroom. Eliminating fat is the only thing that helps uc and if eliminating fat also means less calories and I don't feel sick and weak then it's worth the low calories to feel normal. I occasionally eat something with more fat but I end up feeling sick. This is more than for weight-loss, it's to control a major health condition. I just know what my body can physically tolerate.
Then you need to let your doctor know you are starving yourself.
Stopped going to the doctor, they were doing nothing for me. Expensive meds and diets I couldn't tolerate. Making me even more sick causing me to get dizzy and fall causing injuries. When I'm not busy I eat 1,100 to 1,200. I don't mind eating 500 in one meal, but one item being that high in calories bothers me. It actually had more fat than I allow in my diet and have been to the bathroom several times today. So its been a big mistake all because I was in a hurry not to be late for work.
If you continue to eat under 1200 we cannot give you advice apart from eat more because vlcd are against mfp guidines and cannot be discussed or encouraged.
And by the way mfp states 1,000-1,200 for women and 1,200-1,500 for men so according to mfp I'm not in danger. Get your facts in check
MFP doesn't provide calorie goals of below 1,200 for women. If you're getting a goal below that, there is a bug somewhere. It's understandable that it may be confusing you, but 1,200 is generally regarded as the lowest most women can go and still consistently meet your nutritional needs. People can go lower than that safety in some circumstances with medical supervision, but you've already stated that isn't what is going on here.
I understand this can be an emotional topic, but people are thinking of what is best for you.11 -
from https://myfitnesspal.desk.com/customer/en/portal/articles/410332-how-does-myfitnesspal-calculate-my-initial-goals-We do not recommend women consume fewer than 1200 calories per day, or men fewer than 1500 calories per day. Eating too little can produce negative health effects.
from https://myfitnesspal.desk.com/customer/en/portal/articles/1375583-a-message-about-myfitnesspal-s-updated-nutrition-goalsThe National Institutes of Health indicates that eating plans of 1,500 calories for men, and 1,200 calories for women, are safe and effective in achieving weight loss. To align with these guidelines myfitnesspal has implemented a separate calorie minimum for males of 1,500 calories per day. Previously, the minimum was 1,200 calories for both men and women.
The facts as far as MFP goes is that 1,200 is the minimum recommended calories stated in more than one place. I could not find what you stated as MFP minimums. Where have you seen MFP state 1,000-1,200 for women and 1,200-1,500 for men are the minimums?1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »elliemae1981 wrote: »moosmum1972 wrote: »elliemae1981 wrote: »moosmum1972 wrote: »elliemae1981 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Stop trying to justify undereating.
It's not healthy.
Had doctors tell me the same thing. But I always felt like crap after eating what they reccomend. I end up more tired and end up constantly in the bathroom. Eliminating fat is the only thing that helps uc and if eliminating fat also means less calories and I don't feel sick and weak then it's worth the low calories to feel normal. I occasionally eat something with more fat but I end up feeling sick. This is more than for weight-loss, it's to control a major health condition. I just know what my body can physically tolerate.
Then you need to let your doctor know you are starving yourself.
Stopped going to the doctor, they were doing nothing for me. Expensive meds and diets I couldn't tolerate. Making me even more sick causing me to get dizzy and fall causing injuries. When I'm not busy I eat 1,100 to 1,200. I don't mind eating 500 in one meal, but one item being that high in calories bothers me. It actually had more fat than I allow in my diet and have been to the bathroom several times today. So its been a big mistake all because I was in a hurry not to be late for work.
If you continue to eat under 1200 we cannot give you advice apart from eat more because vlcd are against mfp guidines and cannot be discussed or encouraged.
And by the way mfp states 1,000-1,200 for women and 1,200-1,500 for men so according to mfp I'm not in danger. Get your facts in check
MFP doesn't provide calorie goals of below 1,200 for women. If you're getting a goal below that, there is a bug somewhere. It's understandable that it may be confusing you, but 1,200 is generally regarded as the lowest most women can go and still consistently meet your nutritional needs. People can go lower than that safety in some circumstances with medical supervision, but you've already stated that isn't what is going on here.
I understand this can be an emotional topic, but people are thinking of what is best for you.
I'm not anorexic. I do eat. I like food just can't tolerate a large amount due to my ulcerative colitis. Eating 1,000-1,200 helps keep the painful flares under control, if I don't keep them under control I end up being in severe pain and unable to eat anything. Sometimes I eat a little more than that but not too often. It's a horrible illness ulcerative colitis, many people suffer with it. I've tried doctors but they have been no help, only making my issues with the disease worse. The low fat is to help with this illness. And it has helped me so much. It's better than living in the bathroom or curled up in pain.7 -
from https://myfitnesspal.desk.com/customer/en/portal/articles/410332-how-does-myfitnesspal-calculate-my-initial-goals-We do not recommend women consume fewer than 1200 calories per day, or men fewer than 1500 calories per day. Eating too little can produce negative health effects.
from https://myfitnesspal.desk.com/customer/en/portal/articles/1375583-a-message-about-myfitnesspal-s-updated-nutrition-goalsThe National Institutes of Health indicates that eating plans of 1,500 calories for men, and 1,200 calories for women, are safe and effective in achieving weight loss. To align with these guidelines myfitnesspal has implemented a separate calorie minimum for males of 1,500 calories per day. Previously, the minimum was 1,200 calories for both men and women.
The facts as far as MFP goes is that 1,200 is the minimum recommended calories stated in more than one place. I could not find what you stated as MFP minimums. Where have you seen MFP state 1,000-1,200 for women and 1,200-1,500 for men are the minimums?
I think it's the pop up warning when you try to close out your diary with less than 1000 calories logged.5 -
elliemae1981 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »elliemae1981 wrote: »moosmum1972 wrote: »elliemae1981 wrote: »moosmum1972 wrote: »elliemae1981 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Stop trying to justify undereating.
It's not healthy.
Had doctors tell me the same thing. But I always felt like crap after eating what they reccomend. I end up more tired and end up constantly in the bathroom. Eliminating fat is the only thing that helps uc and if eliminating fat also means less calories and I don't feel sick and weak then it's worth the low calories to feel normal. I occasionally eat something with more fat but I end up feeling sick. This is more than for weight-loss, it's to control a major health condition. I just know what my body can physically tolerate.
Then you need to let your doctor know you are starving yourself.
Stopped going to the doctor, they were doing nothing for me. Expensive meds and diets I couldn't tolerate. Making me even more sick causing me to get dizzy and fall causing injuries. When I'm not busy I eat 1,100 to 1,200. I don't mind eating 500 in one meal, but one item being that high in calories bothers me. It actually had more fat than I allow in my diet and have been to the bathroom several times today. So its been a big mistake all because I was in a hurry not to be late for work.
If you continue to eat under 1200 we cannot give you advice apart from eat more because vlcd are against mfp guidines and cannot be discussed or encouraged.
And by the way mfp states 1,000-1,200 for women and 1,200-1,500 for men so according to mfp I'm not in danger. Get your facts in check
MFP doesn't provide calorie goals of below 1,200 for women. If you're getting a goal below that, there is a bug somewhere. It's understandable that it may be confusing you, but 1,200 is generally regarded as the lowest most women can go and still consistently meet your nutritional needs. People can go lower than that safety in some circumstances with medical supervision, but you've already stated that isn't what is going on here.
I understand this can be an emotional topic, but people are thinking of what is best for you.
I'm not anorexic. I do eat. I like food just can't tolerate a large amount due to my ulcerative colitis. Eating 1,000-1,200 helps keep the painful flares under control, if I don't keep them under control I end up being in severe pain and unable to eat anything. Sometimes I eat a little more than that but not too often. It's a horrible illness ulcerative colitis, many people suffer with it. I've tried doctors but they have been no help, only making my issues with the disease worse. The low fat is to help with this illness. And it has helped me so much. It's better than living in the bathroom or curled up in pain.
Nobody is insisting that you should eat a high or moderate fat diet if that doesn't work for you. There are lots of people here who adjust their macronutrients to the level that is best for them.
We just want to make sure you're eating enough overall (adding more carbohydrates or protein, for example) to meet your needs and avoid developing health problems in addition to your colitis. That you feel guilty about eating a 700 calorie sandwich isn't a good sign! It's a mental stress on you in addition to the physical stress of your illness and eating very low calorie. That's what people are responding to here, trying to help you find a way of life that makes you feel better physically and mentally. Good luck!10 -
So question, how were you able to get to a weight of over 200lbs?12
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elliemae1981 wrote: »moosmum1972 wrote: »elliemae1981 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Stop trying to justify undereating.
It's not healthy.
Had doctors tell me the same thing. But I always felt like crap after eating what they reccomend. I end up more tired and end up constantly in the bathroom. Eliminating fat is the only thing that helps uc and if eliminating fat also means less calories and I don't feel sick and weak then it's worth the low calories to feel normal. I occasionally eat something with more fat but I end up feeling sick. This is more than for weight-loss, it's to control a major health condition. I just know what my body can physically tolerate.
Then you need to let your doctor know you are starving yourself.
Stopped going to the doctor, they were doing nothing for me. Expensive meds and diets I couldn't tolerate. Making me even more sick causing me to get dizzy and fall causing injuries. When I'm not busy I eat 1,100 to 1,200. I don't mind eating 500 in one meal, but one item being that high in calories bothers me. It actually had more fat than I allow in my diet and have been to the bathroom several times today. So its been a big mistake all because I was in a hurry not to be late for work.
eat what is best for you but I mainly want to say make sure your eating nutrition dense foods on any day under 900. watch you macros and vitamins. if you can handle fruits well have some every so often, if you eat meats go for the organ meats like liver and kidneys, if veggies try spinach or kale in place of lettuce, ect. as for doctors you don't need to be talking to normal doctors about nutrition sense they don't get training in nutrition but it would be advised if your not overly knowledgeable with nutrition to talk to a nutritional expert but look around for one if you are having health problems it might be as simple as your missing something in your diet or eating something that isn't very good for your particular body. nutritionist can run tests that normal doctors have no particular knowledge about and they have ex. with working with people and seeing what affects their clients good or bad. But above all listen to your body because it's going to naturally want more or less each day if you don't meet all its need in one go. If you do loss to much fat its as simple as upping your carbs or fats to put a little padding back on before going back to what helps you work the best. PS. if your not used to eating fats never eat a high amount at once or those bathroom trips add up. slowly work in healthy fats but balance them with your primary energy source (carbs). good luck!
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xhunter561 wrote: »elliemae1981 wrote: »moosmum1972 wrote: »elliemae1981 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Stop trying to justify undereating.
It's not healthy.
Had doctors tell me the same thing. But I always felt like crap after eating what they reccomend. I end up more tired and end up constantly in the bathroom. Eliminating fat is the only thing that helps uc and if eliminating fat also means less calories and I don't feel sick and weak then it's worth the low calories to feel normal. I occasionally eat something with more fat but I end up feeling sick. This is more than for weight-loss, it's to control a major health condition. I just know what my body can physically tolerate.
Then you need to let your doctor know you are starving yourself.
Stopped going to the doctor, they were doing nothing for me. Expensive meds and diets I couldn't tolerate. Making me even more sick causing me to get dizzy and fall causing injuries. When I'm not busy I eat 1,100 to 1,200. I don't mind eating 500 in one meal, but one item being that high in calories bothers me. It actually had more fat than I allow in my diet and have been to the bathroom several times today. So its been a big mistake all because I was in a hurry not to be late for work.
eat what is best for you but I mainly want to say make sure your eating nutrition dense foods on any day under 900. watch you macros and vitamins. if you can handle fruits well have some every so often, if you eat meats go for the organ meats like liver and kidneys, if veggies try spinach or kale in place of lettuce, ect. as for doctors you don't need to be talking to normal doctors about nutrition sense they don't get training in nutrition but it would be advised if your not overly knowledgeable with nutrition to talk to a nutritional expert but look around for one if you are having health problems it might be as simple as your missing something in your diet or eating something that isn't very good for your particular body. nutritionist can run tests that normal doctors have no particular knowledge about and they have ex. with working with people and seeing what affects their clients good or bad. But above all listen to your body because it's going to naturally want more or less each day if you don't meet all its need in one go. If you do loss to much fat its as simple as upping your carbs or fats to put a little padding back on before going back to what helps you work the best. PS. if your not used to eating fats never eat a high amount at once or those bathroom trips add up. slowly work in healthy fats but balance them with your primary energy source (carbs). good luck!
If OP is in the US, a nutritionist is not a good resource. The title can mean almost anything and very little education/accountability is involved in many cases. The "tests" they run are often error-prone, unscientific, and can result in the "diagnosis" of allergies/intolerances that don't actually exist.
People who are ill, undereating, or have emotional issues around food (like guilt) need to be careful about "listening to their body" as a primary guide. In these cases, the body may *not* tell us exactly what we need.6
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