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Too Much Carbs And Sugars Stunt Optimal Growth/Height Potential For Children
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you obviously don't understand the rules of a forum (weather stated or implied) - if you come and post crackpot ideas, then it is *YOUR* responsibility to post research that supports your opinion and validates your theory8
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Here's an example of before-and-after. A diabetic child before and after insulin.
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moosmum1972 wrote: »OuchArtist wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »1) You admit right off that there are no studies.
2) You still assert that your claims are "well known" and "becoming clear" despite the lack of studies.
3) This is one of the biggest loads of bovine excrement I've ever had the privilege to read on these forums.
Chill
Why? because he doesn't agree with your frankly ridiculous supposition....you can't prove it so your being called on it.
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This article was meant as a food for thought, please don't get defensive.. if there was studies to prove it or not.. it was just to get some thought on the subject from each other.
I hope this exact idea will be adopted into a real study to see if insulin during early years can limit height full potential or not if done on twins maybe. xD9 -
a coworker of mine lost 70lbs in 2017 by eating 5-6 small meals a day. bottom line - calorie deficit! eat 1 meal, eat 3, eat 6. if you take in less calories than your body uses, you will lose.2
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Sorry... what article? All I see is a hypothesis with no proofs brought forward to back it up.5
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OuchArtist wrote: »This article was meant as a food for thought, please don't get defensive.. if there was studies to prove it or not.. it was just to get some thought on the subject from each other.
I hope this exact idea will be adopted into a real study to see if insulin during early years can limit height full potential or not if done on twins maybe. xD
You want to study this on human twins?0 -
Well, you obviously are misinformed on the action of insulin. The proposed study would be cruel and inhumane.
http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/the-discovery-of-insulin/5 -
OuchArtist wrote: »This article was meant as a food for thought, please don't get defensive.. if there was studies to prove it or not.. it was just to get some thought on the subject from each other.
I hope this exact idea will be adopted into a real study to see if insulin during early years can limit height full potential or not if done on twins maybe. xD
You understand why that would be unethical, right?5 -
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Based on OPs other hypotheses, I tend to concur...2
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moosmum1972 wrote: »OuchArtist wrote: »This article was meant as a food for thought, please don't get defensive.. if there was studies to prove it or not.. it was just to get some thought on the subject from each other.
I hope this exact idea will be adopted into a real study to see if insulin during early years can limit height full potential or not if done on twins maybe. xD
So you think child experimentation is funny......I had my suspicion you were a t roll
Yeah, I do actually.
And actually it would be a really well-paid study with the approval of the teenager to follow an intermittent fasting lifestyle coupled with a ketogenic diet.. it's not like you are feeding the child with poisonous substances.
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OuchArtist wrote: »moosmum1972 wrote: »OuchArtist wrote: »This article was meant as a food for thought, please don't get defensive.. if there was studies to prove it or not.. it was just to get some thought on the subject from each other.
I hope this exact idea will be adopted into a real study to see if insulin during early years can limit height full potential or not if done on twins maybe. xD
So you think child experimentation is funny......I had my suspicion you were a t roll
Yeah, I do actually.
And actually it would be a really well-paid study with the approval of the teenager to follow an intermittent fasting lifestyle coupled with a ketogenic diet.. it's not like you are feeding the child with poisonous substances.
Teenagers, well known for their ability to thoughtfully consider potential consequences even in the face of a big wad of money and can therefore offer ethical informed consent to being subjects of a study that may impact their overall growth. Also well known for their ability to adhere to dietary strictures for a meaningful period of time to avoid confounding any potential study of impact of said diet. What could go wrong?11 -
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And I hit my full height at thirteen, so a bit too late for hypothesis-testing on this one.0
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You do know about insulin is crucial to getting energy into the cells to grow right? And that the body modulates both insulin and growth hormone release? And insulin is still around when you are not eating lots of carbs, yes? And what is "too much", according to who? You are thinking, but the idea isn't well thought out.2
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OuchArtist wrote: »This article was meant as a food for thought, please don't get defensive.. if there was studies to prove it or not.. it was just to get some thought on the subject from each other.
I hope this exact idea will be adopted into a real study to see if insulin during early years can limit height full potential or not if done on twins maybe. xD
The problem being that no real thought went in to this "article". You lack a basic understanding of biology and have no apparent concept of scientific ethics. You're making unsubstantiated claims based on your memory of what supposed relatives ate as children, and the straw man idea that there are children who eat candy non-stop. Seriously?
As "food" goes, this post is to thinking what what you propose insulin is to the human body.7 -
OuchArtist wrote: »OuchArtist wrote: »I'm not sure if there are any studies out there addressing this exact thing, but it's well known that when insulin is present in the body, it acts as an anti-HGH (growth hormone), the crucial hormone critical for growth of children especially in their puberty years.
What is your source that claims insulin inhibits growth hormone?
Insulin is a hormone produced by the pancreas to help regulate blood sugar. It is necessary for proper body function. Obviously it does not inhibit growth to have insulin present in your body or none of us would grow.
https://www.endocrineweb.com/conditions/type-1-diabetes/what-insulin
Human growth hormone is secreted by the pituitary gland. Growth hormone deficiency "results primarily from damage to the hypothalamus or to the pituitary gland during fetal development (congenital GH deficiency) or following birth (acquired GH deficiency). GH deficiency may also be caused by mutations in genes that regulate its synthesis and secretion" from https://www.britannica.com/science/growth-hormone
Insulin and growth hormone play antagonist roles against one another. When one is elevated, the other will be low, period.
You have to read some more studies on the subject.
Looks like you might be reading this: http://www.eattoperform.com/2013/03/16/human-growth-hormone-and-insulin-are-friends/
"...insulin and growth hormone play antagonist roles against one another. When one is elevated, the other will be low."
It's not about child growth, and the idea (not in the article) that you need to IF (or avoid carbs) to grow properly seems pretty far-fetched, at best. Kids seem to grow taller in situations where they have adequate calories and more protein, and for kids who need more calories for their size than adults IFing would not seem to promote eating sufficient calories for more.4 -
This is the Canadian policies on ethical research involving human subjects:
http://www.pre.ethics.gc.ca/eng/policy-politique/initiatives/tcps2-eptc2/Default/
I'm not sure if you're in Canada, but if not, I would expect similar type policies in place wherever you are.0 -
moosmum1972 wrote: »
the OP stated "It is becoming clear that we are meant to eat one meal a day, and people around the world are experiencing the best health benefits eating just one meal a day, just like our ancestors used to."1 -
Oh, thanks for reminding me of that.
What is the evidence that "our ancestors" ate just one meal a day?
At most, our ancestors ate according to MANY different patterns, given how many ancestors we had. What period are we supposedly focused on, and why?3 -
moosmum1972 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »OuchArtist wrote: »This article was meant as a food for thought, please don't get defensive.. if there was studies to prove it or not.. it was just to get some thought on the subject from each other.
I hope this exact idea will be adopted into a real study to see if insulin during early years can limit height full potential or not if done on twins maybe. xD
You understand why that would be unethical, right?
I think we have ourselves a "t" word...
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Maybe he's just having a little Fung with us.12 -
Anyone noticing the irony in the fact that body builders will inject insulin to gain muscle?5
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Anyone noticing the irony in the fact that body builders will inject insulin to gain muscle?
No, no - see, it must be that they're injecting the insulin to stunt their growth, to keep them from getting too hyooge. From all the abundant nutrients. Yeah, that's it.
OTOH, I also notice the irony in the fact that bodybuilders often eat 6 or more meals per day. Whelp....3 -
I have a friend who had a severe eating disorder for years as a child/teen. She was told by her doctor that she likely did not reach her full height potential (she's 5'5; both parents are 6'+) due to severe calorie restriction and malnutrition.
I'm not sure that too much candy is going to impede your growth; malnutrition will impede your growth. Maybe this is what OP was getting at...0
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