January 2018 Running Challenge
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Nice consistency @skippygirlsmom1
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@7lenny7 - Wow! Glad you & your companion are safe! Guess that's one way to get your heart rate up?
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Monthly Goal: 23 miles
1/8: 2.22
1/9: 2.23 - 4.45 done, 18.55 to go
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Year goal: 200 miles - 4.45 done -- 195.55 to go1 -
girlinahat wrote: »@Ryokat
Generally running against traffic is the norm if running on the road.
I second the need for a headlamp rather than just hi-vis. Hi-vis only works if the cars lights are trained on you, and they need to be remarkably close to see you. /// so flashing lights are even better to give drivers a chance to figure out well in advance what you are on the road.
@7lenny7 there is a certain element of blame to the van also. If he was passing into the facility and the route was not clear, then he shouldn’t have continued – hitting pedestrians is just not cool – over here I frequently struggle to explain to drivers that if they are turning from a major road into a minor road, and I am already crossing that minor road as a pedestrian then I do actually have RIGHT OF WAY
Just glad that Lenny and Kody were not injured. I agree with ^^. Also I must add that if you have the ability to add a Red Flasher to the rear of the headlamp it is well worth doing. I picked up some small 1.5in round Led Flasher's from a local Bike shop and clipped one to the back of each headlamp. It wouldn't have helped Lenny this time but in the future??
A friend of mine retired from the RCMP ( Canada's National Police Force ) as the senior Collision Analyst in Alberta. so he was the guy who would show up at Traffic/Automobile collisions where there was a fatality and do a scene survey and site evaluation - analysis. The number of accidents at corners, road junctions 70-80%. Lighting, weather, road conditions ( slight curves ) and Driver perception were the cause in most of them. They once did an illumination study of Vehicle Headlights and pedestrians ( Highway and City speed limits ). Black clothes, White clothes, High Vis. Not surprising that the drivers could not see the pedestrians until it was to late for them to react and miss/avoid a collision. Didn't matter what the pedestrians were wearing. As pedestrians we get fooled because we can see the headlights from a long distance away so we assume the Drivers can see us. Be safe my friends.6 -
1/1/18-6 miles
1/4/18-3 miles
1/6/18-6 miles
1/7/18-3.25 miles
1/9/18-3miles
21.25/60 Miles
Upcoming Races:
3/17/18-Run to the Pub-half Marathon (not signed up yet)
5/12/18-Montana Womens Run-5 Miles
7/15/18-Missoula Marathon2 -
angmarie28 wrote: »1/1/18-6 miles
1/4/18-3 miles
1/6/18-6 miles
1/7/18-3.25 miles
1/9/18-3miles
21.25/60 Miles
Upcoming Races:
3/17/18-Run to the Pub-half Marathon (not signed up yet)
5/12/18-Montana Womens Run-5 Miles
7/15/18-Missoula Marathon
Looks like you're perfectly on track to meet/exceed your goal this month. Great job!0 -
1/1 - 4 treadmill miles on a way too cold day.
1/2 - Two flat tires doomed my chances of getting to the Y / gym.
1/3 - 4 more 'mill miles.
1/4 - 5.1 treadmill miles at Trek Class, then upper body weights.
1/5 - Unplanned rest day.
1/6 - 4 treadmill miles, then upper body weights.
1/7 - Another 4 on the 'mill. Finally could have run outside, but my son asks me to take him to the gym
1/8 - Nothing yet, but planning an odd (for me) evening run.
1/8 - 4.8 miles. First outdoor run in a while. Almost got hit by cars twice...people are stupid.
1/9 - Rest day.
1/10 - 5 miles outside...woot!
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MNLittleFinn wrote: »I track on Strava and just note which pair I used. Strava does all the tracking. Remember, rotating shoes makes a difference. There's a reason I have 6 pair of road and 4 pair of trail. Though I expect to get closer to 1000 miles from trail shies, as it's less impact.
Yea, but then I have to edit every run and add the shoes right? There is little chance of me remembering to do that long-term.
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January goal - 35 miles
1/3 - 1.5 miles - put on my new fleece lined pants a couple of shirts, jacket, new buff & gloves and hit the street. It was 25 degrees. Not too bad, think i'll try it again tonight.
1/6 - 6.5 only 25 degrees, but great run. I can't believe how much more I like running in the cold than the heat.
1/7 - 2.5 warmer, 50 degrees, but a cool wind and I didn't bundle up enough for the first part.
1/9 - 2.0 miles
total so far - 12.5
I adjusted my Garmin to my stride before the last run. I knew it wasn't tracking right for me and I've been lowballing my distances. I run short and slow. But wow, what an eye opener. My mph time went way up. Speed has never been a big goal for me. I enjoy running for the peace it gives me. It helps so much with stress. I have run through deaths, sick kids, and being downsized at work. I've run with tears running down my face, but I always feel better afterwards. And I've only been running 4 years. I started at 49, determined to run a 5K before I turned 50, and found I enjoyed it (most days). I've increased my mileage bit by bit over the past year and that has been enjoyable for me. So I guess I'll take that, maybe work on the speed, but in the big picture..... its not my motivation.
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5km run in new PR and fastest km yet. Feeling the improvement. Was perfect running weather though and as it was a day off for me midday so in the daylight which meant fewer other people/traffic and more relaxed running over non sealed paths
If nothing bad happens weather wise the 60 km this month should be easily achieved.
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no run again. not well5
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@7lenny7 - wow, glad you and Kody are okay! Where I live, pedestrians legally have the right of way at all times - there is never any situation in which it is okay for a vehicle to hit a pedestrian. But the flip side of that is that pedestrians are extremely squishy and vehicles can't always see them, so the best principle is to make sure you are never where a car can hit you.
Mine is not a running kind of neighborhood, but we have a lot of people who walk to the store and work, and sometimes I'm horrified by how invisible they are at night. Even on a fairly well-lit street a dark skinned person in dark clothing is just not visible at all. Flashers and reflective tape only make the slightest bit of difference, since tape only shows up when the headlights hit the person directly, by which time they are too close to avoid, and flashing lights at night don't give any sense of scale or distance to a driver.1 -
Glad Kody and you are OK @7lenny7. I frequently run around the building complex here at work which is surrounded by parking lot and many entrances from the main roads into those parking lots which have cars constantly coming and going. I have to be very careful cause most of these drivers do not look out for pedestrians when coming in. You're experience is a great reminder of the need for us to be made aware of our surroundings at all times.
I know you want to take full responsibility as you may have been a little careless (we all do when we get into the run). As @girlinahat said, there is a responsibility that drivers pulling in have to make sure there are no pedestrians and the coast is clear. But I would argue that the car pulling out blocking the crosswalk did a big no-no. Before you cross into a pedestrian marked cross walk, you have to ensure that both ways are clear. Too many drivers just drive on through and just stop thereby blocking things and making things unsafe.
If the driver stopped at the solid white line before the cross walk and yielded to you, then it would have made it safer for the incoming car to see you trying to cross the walk and also yield accordingly.
But all of that goes out the window, it doesn't matter. As runners (pedestrians), you always have to assume that the driver will do the wrong things and you should be prepared to take evasive action or yield for the sake of your own safety (despite who as the right of way). That's a lesson we all can learn and remember. This goes double for people who like to run with music. (I stopped a long time ago.) Don't let your music be a distraction so you become unaware of your surroundings. Even if you're on a trail or greenway. Bikers could sneak up on you. They are supposed to ring a bell or make some kind of noise to alert other pedestrians that they are about to pass you. Even faster runners. I like to make extra noises (stomping my feet, cough, or a simple "On your left") as I am about to pass a slower runner, so they don't change course abruptly or startle them as I pass by. If you have the music turned up too high, you will miss out on these warnings. It's advised that if you do wear earphones that you wear only a single ear bud in one ear so you can be alert of your surroundings by your other ear.8 -
PastorVincent wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »I track on Strava and just note which pair I used. Strava does all the tracking. Remember, rotating shoes makes a difference. There's a reason I have 6 pair of road and 4 pair of trail. Though I expect to get closer to 1000 miles from trail shies, as it's less impact.
Yea, but then I have to edit every run and add the shoes right? There is little chance of me remembering to do that long-term.
My Run-OCD makes it easy. I go into edit after every run, mainly because I switch it to say workout or Long Run anyway, and I'm often renaming runs so I can just look at my training log and see what kind of workouts I did, so It's easy for me to just switch shoes then2 -
1/1 - 4.2
2.2-2.0
3/7-3.7 & 1.7
4/7-ill
5/7-ill
6/7-ill
8/7-ill
9/7-ill
10/7-4.2
Total - 15.8Miles/120 Miles
Amended goal to 120 miles due to being ill at start of month
Upcoming races:
25th February - Brighton Half Marathon
22nd April - London Marathon
5th May - Mid Sussex Marathon 10 Mile
6th May - Mid Sussex Marathon 10 Mile
7th May - Mid Sussex Marathon 10k5 -
MNLittleFinn wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »I track on Strava and just note which pair I used. Strava does all the tracking. Remember, rotating shoes makes a difference. There's a reason I have 6 pair of road and 4 pair of trail. Though I expect to get closer to 1000 miles from trail shies, as it's less impact.
My Run-OCD makes it easy. I go into edit after every run, mainly because I switch it to say workout or Long Run anyway, and I'm often renaming runs so I can just look at my training log and see what kind of workouts I did, so It's easy for me to just switch shoes then
My Run-Laziness makes that very unlikely to happen After a run, I am thinking about shower and food not Strava3 -
PastorVincent wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »MNLittleFinn wrote: »I track on Strava and just note which pair I used. Strava does all the tracking. Remember, rotating shoes makes a difference. There's a reason I have 6 pair of road and 4 pair of trail. Though I expect to get closer to 1000 miles from trail shies, as it's less impact.
My Run-OCD makes it easy. I go into edit after every run, mainly because I switch it to say workout or Long Run anyway, and I'm often renaming runs so I can just look at my training log and see what kind of workouts I did, so It's easy for me to just switch shoes then
My Run-Laziness makes that very unlikely to happen After a run, I am thinking about shower and food not Strava
After run for me it's Food, poop, Strava (during poop) and shower... yay for multitasking!3 -
MNLittleFinn wrote: »Nice consistency @skippygirlsmom
Thanks @MNLittleFinn that was my problem last month. All over the place.0 -
Thanks for all comments. Day or night, a runner has to assume that they're invisible to drivers. I know this, and I practice this, except for that one moment. Talking about right of way and liability might make for some academic arguments but ultimately we all have to take responsibility for our own safety. My son is going through drivers training and as I tell him, knowing which driver has right of way is great, but we can't assume other drivers will respect that. You may be right, but you may be dead right. Treat all other drivers as idiots.
@girlinahat & @Stoshew71 I was going between two cars so that minivan had no way of seeing me until it was too late. There is no fault on their part. They had no time to react at all. As far as the car blocking the crosswalk, I came up from behind him, I wasn't running parallel. He didn't need to block the crosswalk to turn but he couldn't have seen me as I came from behind him and there was no yielding he could do at that point.
@juliet3455 I normally do wear flashing red lights on the back of my headlamp but last night I didn't. I picked up some cheap ones on Amazon. One goes on me, one goes on Kody. You make a great point about not assuming drivers can see us, particularly if they're turning.
@rheddmobile we have the same law here but there's not much a driver can do when a pedestrian steps out between to cars right in their path. Since I wasn't in a crosswalk I don't think they would have any liability in that case, not that I would care at that point It's not OK, but you can't find fault with that driver for my screwup.
Here's a diagram to give the incident more context:
@orphia you always have such great photos!
@NikolaosKey get better soon, my friend! At least with a diagnosis you start targeting the rehab.
@MNLittleFinn you're getting some high miles from your shoes. I err on the side of caution and get rid of mine between 300 and 400 miles. I don't have a set mileage but wait until I can feel the difference in my body after a run. I figure at 215 pounds, I wear shoes out quicker than someone significantly lighter. I may be throwing away my shoes prematurely but I'd rather do that than risk injury. If you keep track of your shoe mileage on strava or Garmin Connnect it appears that that chart is redundant, unless I'm missing something. And your Nikes...why not just wait until take another run in them? There's no need to stop right AT 600 miles is there?
@PastorVincent You can set Strava up to include a default pair of shoes if there's on pair you usually use. To switch which pair you used on a particular run is pretty simple too. You're already editing your runs to change the titles. Logging shoes is just a matter of clicking on the drop-down menu just below that. The way you use for determining when to toss a pair of shoes work just fine, of course, but I'm a data geek so I like to track my miles.
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My post above prompted me to google.
https://news.wgbh.org/2016/06/08/local-news/who-has-right-way-crosswalk-its-not-simple-you-think
Bottom line, not all cross walks are made equal. It depends on local laws, if there are traffic lights at the intersection, and "walk/don't walk" lights. But when no lights are present at the intersection, the law (at least in Massachusetts) is:
"The right of way is not something that you have, it’s something that you give. So, you don’t take the right of way, you give the right of way," he explained.
Now there are, of course, no shortage of crosswalks where there’s no traffic signals or stoplights. And it’s at these kinds of crosswalks where the law really favors the pedestrian. Caselden explained some of the gritty details of the law:
• If a pedestrian is in a crosswalk you have to wait for them to complete their path all the way through.
• If they are coming toward your lane from the other side of a two way street, and are within 10 feet, you need to stop.
• If your side of the road is two lanes, and the car in the other lane has stopped, you are not permitted to pass that car and enter the crosswalk.
So what if a pedestrian is on the sidewalk and look like they want to cross? Here, the law is actually a little less specific, but Caselden says his read is that drivers need to hit the brakes.
"Basically that’s my understanding," he said. "If they have the intent of crossing within a reasonable distance of it then yeah you gotta stop."
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