FACEPALM. People who don't know what they're talking about AT ALL. I'm really just venting...
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ladymarsyorkiemom wrote: »The ones who drive me crazy are the MLM "coaches" who give fitness and nutrition advice but have no training or education. These are the people who tout egg whites, using 3 lb weights, and calculating BMI with weight and height. Smh...
What's wrong with 3 lb. weights?
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janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »This is why I avoid diet/fitness/nutrition small talk with 99% of the people in my life. People don't know what they don't know and it's easier to talk about more pleasant topics.
I'm going to disagree on principle. The absence of discussing sticky topics is one of the large contributing factors to the polarization of society. It is very necessary to purge that release valve periodically. Like any muscle or skill what we neglect atrophies and dies.
We are quickly losing the skill of conversation and the ability to agree to disagree.
Common ground is easily sought and of much more importance than uncommon ground.
I agree with what you're saying, I should have been clearer in what I wrote. I do discuss other "sticky topics" (politics, culture, religion) with people in my life, I've just found that diet/fitness/nutrition tends (with the people I know) to go round and round without it feeling very constructive. Unlike, say, politics, where I feel like I can better understand where someone is coming from after a conversation (even if we still disagree).
I guess it's more interesting for me to have IRL debates that center on values and perceptions rather than "Well, Dr Oz swears that raspberry ketones work" or "my cousin lost 40 pounds after she detoxed" (not that all workplace diet conversations are like this, but all the ones in *my workplace* tend to be).
I thought you were very clear, but I'm attempting to find common ground with you. This is key.
With all things it is all about how you say it, and very little about the topic. Comedians and salesmen and masters of this craft.
No, when I looked back at what I wrote in the context of your comments, I realized I didn't exactly *mean* what I wrote and I wanted to clarify. I don't think "pleasant topics" are the highest value (in the work place or generally) and if I read what I wrote, I would have concluded that is what I thought (I don't know if that is what you concluded, but I wanted to make sure).
It may be that it has more to do with me than the topic, but I *feel* like when I discuss things like politics and religion with people I disagree with (or to explore whether we agree), it feels like there is more potential for understanding someone's value system and how they seem the world. There is more opportunity for potential closeness, for me to learn new things, or for me to be challenged.
Now that I'm writing all this out, I'm willing to accept this has more to do with how I approach these different topics and conversations than something that is inherent to conversations about diet/weight loss.
I think in all things it is more critical to understand why people think what they do. So in diet/nutrition it's "Ok you're doing low carb...Why?" The response you get is an indicator if people actually understand the information or simply parroting what they've heard. You only get an emotional rise in those who don't understand and now feel threatened as the potential of ignorance is exposed. There's nothing wrong with ignorance, yet the vast majority is terrified of not knowing - to the point most will openly lie rather than risk being outed from the masses.
I'm going to split a hair that I think is a significant hair. People don't mind being ignorant; they mind having others think less of them. And being (or seeming to be) ignorant can provoke that response.vivmom2014 wrote: »ladymarsyorkiemom wrote: »The ones who drive me crazy are the MLM "coaches" who give fitness and nutrition advice but have no training or education. These are the people who tout egg whites, using 3 lb weights, and calculating BMI with weight and height. Smh...
What's wrong with 3 lb. weights?
Or egg whites!8 -
clicketykeys wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »This is why I avoid diet/fitness/nutrition small talk with 99% of the people in my life. People don't know what they don't know and it's easier to talk about more pleasant topics.
I'm going to disagree on principle. The absence of discussing sticky topics is one of the large contributing factors to the polarization of society. It is very necessary to purge that release valve periodically. Like any muscle or skill what we neglect atrophies and dies.
We are quickly losing the skill of conversation and the ability to agree to disagree.
Common ground is easily sought and of much more importance than uncommon ground.
I agree with what you're saying, I should have been clearer in what I wrote. I do discuss other "sticky topics" (politics, culture, religion) with people in my life, I've just found that diet/fitness/nutrition tends (with the people I know) to go round and round without it feeling very constructive. Unlike, say, politics, where I feel like I can better understand where someone is coming from after a conversation (even if we still disagree).
I guess it's more interesting for me to have IRL debates that center on values and perceptions rather than "Well, Dr Oz swears that raspberry ketones work" or "my cousin lost 40 pounds after she detoxed" (not that all workplace diet conversations are like this, but all the ones in *my workplace* tend to be).
I thought you were very clear, but I'm attempting to find common ground with you. This is key.
With all things it is all about how you say it, and very little about the topic. Comedians and salesmen and masters of this craft.
No, when I looked back at what I wrote in the context of your comments, I realized I didn't exactly *mean* what I wrote and I wanted to clarify. I don't think "pleasant topics" are the highest value (in the work place or generally) and if I read what I wrote, I would have concluded that is what I thought (I don't know if that is what you concluded, but I wanted to make sure).
It may be that it has more to do with me than the topic, but I *feel* like when I discuss things like politics and religion with people I disagree with (or to explore whether we agree), it feels like there is more potential for understanding someone's value system and how they seem the world. There is more opportunity for potential closeness, for me to learn new things, or for me to be challenged.
Now that I'm writing all this out, I'm willing to accept this has more to do with how I approach these different topics and conversations than something that is inherent to conversations about diet/weight loss.
I think in all things it is more critical to understand why people think what they do. So in diet/nutrition it's "Ok you're doing low carb...Why?" The response you get is an indicator if people actually understand the information or simply parroting what they've heard. You only get an emotional rise in those who don't understand and now feel threatened as the potential of ignorance is exposed. There's nothing wrong with ignorance, yet the vast majority is terrified of not knowing - to the point most will openly lie rather than risk being outed from the masses.
I'm going to split a hair that I think is a significant hair. People don't mind being ignorant; they mind having others think less of them. And being (or seeming to be) ignorant can provoke that response.vivmom2014 wrote: »ladymarsyorkiemom wrote: »The ones who drive me crazy are the MLM "coaches" who give fitness and nutrition advice but have no training or education. These are the people who tout egg whites, using 3 lb weights, and calculating BMI with weight and height. Smh...
What's wrong with 3 lb. weights?
Or egg whites!
I would agree with this hair split, but I find is fascinating why anyone would ever be concerned with ignorance. With the volume of data out there ignorance is simply an absolute. It is absurd to believe that we aren't ignorant of something. Even more absurd to be thought lesser because of this.0 -
Wow I hate that you had to hear such terrible advice no one should get on the scale everyday like that makes you obsessive. Also I personally don't believe excercising a lot and eating a little leads to healthy weight loss from my experience your muscles just shrink and your metabolism slows down and then you gain ALL the weight back again
and you start to look jiggly 34 -
GlorianasTears wrote: »Wow I hate that you had to hear such terrible advice no one should get on the scale everyday like that makes you obsessive. Also I personally don't believe excercising a lot and eating a little leads to healthy weight loss from my experience your muscles just shrink and your metabolism slows down and then you gain ALL the weight back again and you start to look jiggly
Um, happily non-obsessive daily weigher here. I like seeing the trends precisely so I *don't* freak out when I get a random high day (or two or three). To each their own :ohwell:
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As I said before - getting on the scale every day is OKAY as long as you’re not changing what you’re doing on the daily because of it. If a person (like my boss’ wife) can’t understand that it’s normal for their weight to fluctuate, they will get on the scale, see they’ve gained 2 lbs, and then go “oh I need to eat less” when they’re already on a minimum of 1200 calories!
The point is not “don’t weigh yourself every day” - the point is don’t let the number on the scale dictate your diet from day to day4 -
GlorianasTears wrote: »Wow I hate that you had to hear such terrible advice no one should get on the scale everyday like that makes you obsessive. Also I personally don't believe excercising a lot and eating a little leads to healthy weight loss from my experience your muscles just shrink and your metabolism slows down and then you gain ALL the weight back again and you start to look jiggly
Um, happily non-obsessive daily weigher here. I like seeing the trends precisely so I *don't* freak out when I get a random high day (or two or three). To each their own :ohwell:
Good for you darling but it's not healthy for most people especially people trying to lose a lot of fat.54 -
GlorianasTears wrote: »GlorianasTears wrote: »Wow I hate that you had to hear such terrible advice no one should get on the scale everyday like that makes you obsessive. Also I personally don't believe excercising a lot and eating a little leads to healthy weight loss from my experience your muscles just shrink and your metabolism slows down and then you gain ALL the weight back again and you start to look jiggly
Um, happily non-obsessive daily weigher here. I like seeing the trends precisely so I *don't* freak out when I get a random high day (or two or three). To each their own :ohwell:
Good for you darling but it's not healthy for most people especially people trying to lose a lot of fat.
You'll find a large number of users here weigh daily and chart their trend. We use and treat it as what it is - a useful tool comprised of multiple data points. As I said, to each their own. Obviously the OP is one who prefers not to weigh daily, and that is perfectly reasonable and fine. If it doesn't suit you, by all means don't do it. I can do without the condescending head pats, though. Darling.42 -
GlorianasTears wrote: »GlorianasTears wrote: »Wow I hate that you had to hear such terrible advice no one should get on the scale everyday like that makes you obsessive. Also I personally don't believe excercising a lot and eating a little leads to healthy weight loss from my experience your muscles just shrink and your metabolism slows down and then you gain ALL the weight back again and you start to look jiggly
Um, happily non-obsessive daily weigher here. I like seeing the trends precisely so I *don't* freak out when I get a random high day (or two or three). To each their own :ohwell:
Good for you darling but it's not healthy for most people especially people trying to lose a lot of fat.
I weigh daily and did so while losing 127 pounds (that's a LOT of fat). I could see the fluctuations and learn more about why they happen. I like knowing stuff.
Saying "most people" shouldn't weigh daily is awfully condescending. Most people are smart enough to figure out what works for them whether it is daily, weekly, monthly or never weighing.25 -
Yeah tell me about it. I have a bachelor's degree in nutrition and have worked in the field. I cringe when I hear some of the things people say. I just smile and nod because I learned it's just not worth it, especially with family and friends. Nutrition is pretty complex. There is a lot we don't know in the field.7
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GlorianasTears wrote: »GlorianasTears wrote: »Wow I hate that you had to hear such terrible advice no one should get on the scale everyday like that makes you obsessive. Also I personally don't believe excercising a lot and eating a little leads to healthy weight loss from my experience your muscles just shrink and your metabolism slows down and then you gain ALL the weight back again and you start to look jiggly
Um, happily non-obsessive daily weigher here. I like seeing the trends precisely so I *don't* freak out when I get a random high day (or two or three). To each their own :ohwell:
Good for you darling but it's not healthy for most people especially people trying to lose a lot of fat.
It's not healthy for SOME people. Many of us weigh daily, make a note and move on with our day. I lost a lot of weight (50 lbs.) weighing daily without it becoming anything more than a useful tool.20 -
Yep. I weigh daily, but the only one that 'counts' is first thing Sunday morning when I wake up. Everything else is just to give me an idea of how I'm doing.12
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Yes, everyone sure doesn't know everything. What bothers me are the people who "think" that they "know" things, when they really don't, and they try and tell others how to do things. Come on,...think....fact or opinion? I'm not jumping on anyone here in this thread---just talking in general.
I love when I learn something CREDIBLE from someone, or I read some credible info that I'm interested in. to me, it's just a matter of where your info comes from. Consider that pretty important.0 -
southrnchic479 wrote: »Small talk in the kitchen with boss's wife as she's heating up her nutrisystem soup thingy. I say, "I started lowering my carbs 2 weeks ago and lost 3 lbs in the first week but now I'm back up (2 lbs) because I've been working out. I know it was all water weight I shed and now it's water weight I'm retaining from my muscles repairing but you know....I just need to stop getting on the scale so often is what I need to do!"
Her response. "Oh, no. You HAVE to get on the scale every day. If you don't then you have no idea if what you're doing is working or not. It's just all about working out and not eating."
HAHAHAHA. Look I don't claim to know everything and I'm still learning a lot. But COME ON. Also, I'm not slamming anyone on nutrisystem because I really have never looked into it, but on the surface, it doesn't seem like something that leads to a healthy all over life change. Just sayin...anyway...ugh. Major eyeroll. LOL
So I don't talk about weight loss with people I know much but in an e-mail from a family member they talked about how they lost 5 lbs in a week eating 1 meal, drinking lots of coffee, starting exercise and then another day they ate a bunch of vegetables and weighed themselves and gained 2 lbs from earlier in the day. I felt I had to share some things I had learned because it seemed like they were going to do crazy and give up in frustration in a week or two. They might have felt annoyed at me for talking about calories, water weight, normal fluctuations and how it is best to weigh in the morning before eating and drinking. And to look at your weight trend over time to measure progress- weeks not hours or days. We can all be annoying to someone I am sure.
She isn't necessarily wrong and you are not necessarily wrong but communicating poorly with each other I suppose. This is a good reason not to bring up the topic unless you enjoy getting advice or opinions.5 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »This is why I avoid diet/fitness/nutrition small talk with 99% of the people in my life. People don't know what they don't know and it's easier to talk about more pleasant topics.
I'm going to disagree on principle. The absence of discussing sticky topics is one of the large contributing factors to the polarization of society. It is very necessary to purge that release valve periodically. Like any muscle or skill what we neglect atrophies and dies.
We are quickly losing the skill of conversation and the ability to agree to disagree.
Common ground is easily sought and of much more importance than uncommon ground.
I agree with what you're saying, I should have been clearer in what I wrote. I do discuss other "sticky topics" (politics, culture, religion) with people in my life, I've just found that diet/fitness/nutrition tends (with the people I know) to go round and round without it feeling very constructive. Unlike, say, politics, where I feel like I can better understand where someone is coming from after a conversation (even if we still disagree).
I guess it's more interesting for me to have IRL debates that center on values and perceptions rather than "Well, Dr Oz swears that raspberry ketones work" or "my cousin lost 40 pounds after she detoxed" (not that all workplace diet conversations are like this, but all the ones in *my workplace* tend to be).
I thought you were very clear, but I'm attempting to find common ground with you. This is key.
With all things it is all about how you say it, and very little about the topic. Comedians and salesmen and masters of this craft.
No, when I looked back at what I wrote in the context of your comments, I realized I didn't exactly *mean* what I wrote and I wanted to clarify. I don't think "pleasant topics" are the highest value (in the work place or generally) and if I read what I wrote, I would have concluded that is what I thought (I don't know if that is what you concluded, but I wanted to make sure).
It may be that it has more to do with me than the topic, but I *feel* like when I discuss things like politics and religion with people I disagree with (or to explore whether we agree), it feels like there is more potential for understanding someone's value system and how they seem the world. There is more opportunity for potential closeness, for me to learn new things, or for me to be challenged.
Now that I'm writing all this out, I'm willing to accept this has more to do with how I approach these different topics and conversations than something that is inherent to conversations about diet/weight loss.
I think in all things it is more critical to understand why people think what they do. So in diet/nutrition it's "Ok you're doing low carb...Why?" The response you get is an indicator if people actually understand the information or simply parroting what they've heard. You only get an emotional rise in those who don't understand and now feel threatened as the potential of ignorance is exposed. There's nothing wrong with ignorance, yet the vast majority is terrified of not knowing - to the point most will openly lie rather than risk being outed from the masses.
Yep, asking "why" is a good way to get to the root of a a problem determine someone's understanding. In your example if someone can come up with 4/5 reasons why, they most likely have a good understanding.
The 5 Whys is a technique used in the Analyze phase of the Six Sigma DMAIC (Define, Measure, Analyze, Improve, Control) methodology. ... By repeatedly asking the question “Why” (five is a good rule of thumb), you can peel away the layers of symptoms which can lead to the root cause of a problem.
https://www.isixsigma.com/tools-templates/cause-effect/determine-root-cause-5-whys/8 -
GlorianasTears wrote: »GlorianasTears wrote: »Wow I hate that you had to hear such terrible advice no one should get on the scale everyday like that makes you obsessive. Also I personally don't believe excercising a lot and eating a little leads to healthy weight loss from my experience your muscles just shrink and your metabolism slows down and then you gain ALL the weight back again and you start to look jiggly
Um, happily non-obsessive daily weigher here. I like seeing the trends precisely so I *don't* freak out when I get a random high day (or two or three). To each their own :ohwell:
Good for you darling but it's not healthy for most people especially people trying to lose a lot of fat.
It's not healthy for SOME people. Many of us weigh daily, make a note and move on with our day. I lost a lot of weight (50 lbs.) weighing daily without it becoming anything more than a useful tool.
Yeah, this.
For me it's healthier to weigh daily or close to it. When I don't is when I start getting weird about getting on the scale and overreacting to it.10 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »GlorianasTears wrote: »GlorianasTears wrote: »Wow I hate that you had to hear such terrible advice no one should get on the scale everyday like that makes you obsessive. Also I personally don't believe excercising a lot and eating a little leads to healthy weight loss from my experience your muscles just shrink and your metabolism slows down and then you gain ALL the weight back again and you start to look jiggly
Um, happily non-obsessive daily weigher here. I like seeing the trends precisely so I *don't* freak out when I get a random high day (or two or three). To each their own :ohwell:
Good for you darling but it's not healthy for most people especially people trying to lose a lot of fat.
It's not healthy for SOME people. Many of us weigh daily, make a note and move on with our day. I lost a lot of weight (50 lbs.) weighing daily without it becoming anything more than a useful tool.
Yeah, this.
For me it's healthier to weigh daily or close to it. When I don't is when I start getting weird about getting on the scale and overreacting to it.
This is a great point. Yea I’ve actually been weighing myself every other day since then, and even though the scale really hasn’t gone down like it did in the first week (water weight), I can see my body is already reacting positively to the newly introduced calisthenics and upped protein levels over the past 3 weeks. I went from doing absolutely nothing and eating an unmonitored super high carb diet with empty calories all the time, and have truly only lost like 2 lbs in almost 3 weeks since I’ve made the changes, but I can see myself leaning out. I think half the battle sometimes (for me anyway) is trusting myself that I am indeed making progress despite the fluctuations on the scale. After New Years and all the holidays, I was getting dressed in the bathroom to hide from my husband, avoiding my reflection in the mirror so I didn’t have to look at my pudge, and now I’m not doing those things so that has to stand for something!! Sometimes I just have to say screw the number on the scale lol2 -
Getting on the scale is just a tool.
For some people it works. For some people it doesn't. I have done both successfully. Just like calorie counting. I'm a nerd person- so numbers work for me- measurements and daily tracking. but It's certainly not the be all end all.
At least that's a discussable topic. I was strolling around in WallyWorld grabbing some essentials and had to pass a these women chatting in the way- and the one was talking about how she was alkaline and had to reduce the alkalinity and if you wake up in the morning and your breath tastes sweet is the toxins leaving your body.
I wanted to punch her in the face.10 -
GlorianasTears wrote: »GlorianasTears wrote: »Wow I hate that you had to hear such terrible advice no one should get on the scale everyday like that makes you obsessive. Also I personally don't believe excercising a lot and eating a little leads to healthy weight loss from my experience your muscles just shrink and your metabolism slows down and then you gain ALL the weight back again and you start to look jiggly
Um, happily non-obsessive daily weigher here. I like seeing the trends precisely so I *don't* freak out when I get a random high day (or two or three). To each their own :ohwell:
Good for you darling but it's not healthy for most people especially people trying to lose a lot of fat.
Are you expressing that as an opinion or a fact? If the latter, link/quote your research sources, darling.
There's absolutely nothing "unhealthy" about weighing daily, in and of itself. Some people have unhealthy attitudes/mindsets toward it and freak out over the slightest fluctuation, but others understand why the fluctuations happen and regard it as exactly what it is - nothing more than a data point.15 -
GlorianasTears wrote: »GlorianasTears wrote: »Wow I hate that you had to hear such terrible advice no one should get on the scale everyday like that makes you obsessive. Also I personally don't believe excercising a lot and eating a little leads to healthy weight loss from my experience your muscles just shrink and your metabolism slows down and then you gain ALL the weight back again and you start to look jiggly
Um, happily non-obsessive daily weigher here. I like seeing the trends precisely so I *don't* freak out when I get a random high day (or two or three). To each their own :ohwell:
Good for you darling but it's not healthy for most people especially people trying to lose a lot of fat.
It is because I weighed daily that I was able to notice trends and understand how my body reacts to certain things. For instance, my weight always tends to increase the day after a heavy lifting session probably because my muscles are retaining water to repair themselves. Because I weigh daily I don't freak out when I see this increase, I simply keep doing what I am doing without panicking. You hear a lot on here that weight loss is not linear which is absolutely true, and weighing and logging that weight daily allowed me to see that.7
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