KETO + Dairy = I approve, do you?

TheDon2018
TheDon2018 Posts: 38 Member
edited November 24 in Food and Nutrition
So I know it's like a controversial topic to eat dairy on keto and that it's bad for you. But I have never felt unwell, less energetic or lost less fat including different cheese in my diet. I think some are more sensitive to dairy than others. What do you guys think? Anyone else loading on cheese especially when trying to hit the last macros of the day

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  • kommodevaran
    kommodevaran Posts: 17,890 Member
    What do you mean by bad for you, and are you eating keto, why?
  • TheDon2018
    TheDon2018 Posts: 38 Member
    I am doing keto I love the high fat low carb it fits in with what I love to eat and I am in the journey of losing fat and becoming more healthy
  • OR2016
    OR2016 Posts: 1 Member
    I think the combo is fine; I do keto, as well, and often include dairy. I have found in the past year that I lose more quickly without it, but I don't enjoy the lifestyle as much, so it's a fair trade, in my opinion. :)
  • evileen99
    evileen99 Posts: 1,564 Member
    TheDon2018 wrote: »
    I've read a lot online and watched videos on how everyone is saying having cheese and dairy is not a clean keto because it has components which don't go well with our bodies as biologically we aren't meant to be consuming animal milk etc. and the hard core keto doers (from what I've read and seen) always go on and one about how u have to exclude cheese and dairy if u want to do proper keto and have a healthy lifestyle and fatloss

    Where did you get this idea? What are we meant to be consuming biologically? Birds eat dairy, and they're not raised on milk like human infants.

    https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/housekeeping/737833-how-do-you-stop-birds-stealing-the-cream-from-milk

    http://www.funnyordie.com/slideshows/18af0d7220/seagulls-stealing-people-s-ice-cream

    https://books.google.com/books?id=W14oDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT210&lpg=PT210&dq=birds+stealing+cream&source=bl&ots=DKK2lwhHtp&sig=ygRoijalLOTLNu9GofnkA_BjufY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjUxLGL8_rYAhXE41MKHSRzAjIQ6AEIWTAM#v=onepage&q=birds stealing cream&f=false

  • MichelleWithMoxie
    MichelleWithMoxie Posts: 1,817 Member
    Avoid dairy if you’re lactose intolerant or something like that, but otherwise no need to avoid.
  • TheDon2018
    TheDon2018 Posts: 38 Member
    OR2016 wrote: »
    I think the combo is fine; I do keto, as well, and often include dairy. I have found in the past year that I lose more quickly without it, but I don't enjoy the lifestyle as much, so it's a fair trade, in my opinion. :)

    Yeah I can see how that would be but I wouldn't cope long term without it either. I have an unhealthy obsession with cheese hahaa
  • TheDon2018
    TheDon2018 Posts: 38 Member
    Resistive wrote: »
    Cheese is really “Gouda” for you if you are looking for a fat source in Keto.

    Yes I love Gouda that's what I have on a daily hehe
  • lynn_glenmont
    lynn_glenmont Posts: 10,096 Member
    So long as you're not consuming so much dairy that the lactose is kicking you out of ketosis, why not?
  • singingflutelady
    singingflutelady Posts: 8,736 Member
    edited April 2018
    dangerousdashie wrote: »
    I started eating a bunch of dairy when I went keto and I had to give it up. It was giving me terrible acid reflux- Throwing up in the middle of the night acid reflux. Then I went though a really weird withdrawal experience similar to my relative’s opioid withdrawal. I later found out dairy has opioid like compounds that are concentrated in cheese. I never want to go through that withdrawal again so I quit dairy.

    I'm lactose intolerant so I had to stop eating dairy. I have also been through opioid withdrawal (no I am not an addict. I was on dilaudid for a few months so I was dependent. I'm a chronic pain patient). I would never ever compare the two. Not even close. I thought I was dying. I was shaking and jerking for a week. My whole body was in agony. It was pure hell. I've never ever seen anyone hospitalized because of cheese withdrawal.

    You know out bodies also produce our own opioid like compounds too? I guess we are addicted to ourselves.
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
    TheDon2018 wrote: »
    I've read a lot online and watched videos on how everyone is saying having cheese and dairy is not a clean keto because it has components which don't go well with our bodies as biologically we aren't meant to be consuming animal milk etc. and the hard core keto doers (from what I've read and seen) always go on and one about how u have to exclude cheese and dairy if u want to do proper keto and have a healthy lifestyle and fatloss

    I don't know... I don't think there are any real rules to keto except don't eat very many carbs. ;)

    I've been keto a few years. The only reason I see to limit dairy is due to a health reason like lactose intolerance or a milk protein sensitivity, OR you can't moderate your dairy well and tend to overeat in it.

    Do whatever works best for you. :)
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,428 MFP Moderator
    kposs0 wrote: »
    You're really not supposed to have milk on keto! You can still have dairy cheeses, because cheese is the fat from milk without all the natural sugars from milk! I'm strictly keto and enjoy cheese to keep my fat intake up!!!

    Untrue. The only limitation to keto is total carba as in how it affects ketosis. In general terms its less than 50g.
  • PaulChasinDreams
    PaulChasinDreams Posts: 439 Member
    Have lost 47 lbs in 78 days on keto combined with intermittent fasting. I've been eating cheeses the whole time and haven't had any issues with it effecting ketosis. There's an Italian deli that imports all kinds of amazing cheeses near where I live. I shop there regularly to grab all kinds of delicious cheeses and meats. Be creative with your dishes to keep things interesting and learn what your body likes and reacts well with on keto. We are all different so figuring out how to dial in what works best for you is one of the most important things you can do.
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
    psuLemon wrote: »
    kposs0 wrote: »
    You're really not supposed to have milk on keto! You can still have dairy cheeses, because cheese is the fat from milk without all the natural sugars from milk! I'm strictly keto and enjoy cheese to keep my fat intake up!!!

    Untrue. The only limitation to keto is total carba as in how it affects ketosis. In general terms its less than 50g.

    I think that's what she meant. Milk has a fair bit of carbs from lactose. Not many keto'ers will drink milk. Cheese and butter and cream are another matter. ;)
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