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Munchberry wrote: »Leslierussell4134 wrote: »Man, why are people so threatened by the keto way of eating? Telling people to pull their heads out of their a $$es? Are you afraid? People on keto and IF are losing weight and feeling great and you tell them it's not real or not magical? No-one said it's magical. Eating at a calorie deficit isn't magical either. And eating at a calorie deficit never helped me in the past. I just felt deprived. Now, I eat. Good food. Wholesome food, and I don't go hungry. I've lost weight, I've lost inches. My blood sugar came down. My blood pressure came down.
With a calorie deficit, but still eating carbs, I had high blood pressure, high blood sugar. I became a diabetic. Now, I control my blood sugar without meds. I control my blood pressure without meds. And I need to get my head out of my @$$?! Try again.
Exactly! I honestly believe the "magical" aspect of Keto is reduction in cravings/hunger. Anyone can lose weight on a calorie restricted diet, but the person that doesn't feel like they want to eat the world and can maintain. Why can't some people just accept that keto works for a lot of people, so to each his own.
That’s what many people seem to miss. We don’t care that people do it and are glad to to see that something works for people. The reason people get defensive is because people spread misinformation about keto and IF. No matter the diet, it all boils down to the calories.
With the spread of misinformation people wind up trying these diets and then end up over eating and not losing at all.
I wholeheartedly support any and all safe diets that allow people to feel good and reach their goals.
I personally reach all of my goals by doing flexible dieting. I’m currently sitting in camp eating carb loaded chocolate chip cookies. With no detriment to my goals. Not feeling restricted or starved in anyway.
It isn't all about calories. It is about insulin.
If you don't care how others lose and keep off weight WHY diss them so hard? Maybe you are the misinformed one. How's calorie restriction working for the vast amount of people out there?
No, it's not about insulin. Fung and Taubes are highly mistaken and use a lot of pseudoscience mumbo-jumbo to insist insulin is the cause of obesity. They're also the laughingstock of all evidence-based researchers who actually do have an understanding of how physiology works.
The insulin theory of obesity is a big load of bollocks, and they know it. But it sells a lot of books and products for them, which is what they're really all about.
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russelljam08 wrote: »Munchberry wrote: »Leslierussell4134 wrote: »Man, why are people so threatened by the keto way of eating? Telling people to pull their heads out of their a $$es? Are you afraid? People on keto and IF are losing weight and feeling great and you tell them it's not real or not magical? No-one said it's magical. Eating at a calorie deficit isn't magical either. And eating at a calorie deficit never helped me in the past. I just felt deprived. Now, I eat. Good food. Wholesome food, and I don't go hungry. I've lost weight, I've lost inches. My blood sugar came down. My blood pressure came down.
With a calorie deficit, but still eating carbs, I had high blood pressure, high blood sugar. I became a diabetic. Now, I control my blood sugar without meds. I control my blood pressure without meds. And I need to get my head out of my @$$?! Try again.
Exactly! I honestly believe the "magical" aspect of Keto is reduction in cravings/hunger. Anyone can lose weight on a calorie restricted diet, but the person that doesn't feel like they want to eat the world and can maintain. Why can't some people just accept that keto works for a lot of people, so to each his own.
That’s what many people seem to miss. We don’t care that people do it and are glad to to see that something works for people. The reason people get defensive is because people spread misinformation about keto and IF. No matter the diet, it all boils down to the calories.
With the spread of misinformation people wind up trying these diets and then end up over eating and not losing at all.
I wholeheartedly support any and all safe diets that allow people to feel good and reach their goals.
I personally reach all of my goals by doing flexible dieting. I’m currently sitting in camp eating carb loaded chocolate chip cookies. With no detriment to my goals. Not feeling restricted or starved in anyway.
It isn't all about calories. It is about insulin.
If you don't care how others lose and keep off weight WHY diss them so hard? Maybe you are the misinformed one. How's calorie restriction working for the vast amount of people out there?
Wrong. Insulin CANNOT create energy from nothing or make ingested energy just *poof* disappear. So yeah it is all about calories!
Well actually ATP is the sole source of energy for us. Insulin: http://diabeteslibrary.org/function-of-insulin/ . Not all humans use calories normally. If you are interested in one abnormality, consider those with diabetes.
Not all people can keep a healthy weight by merely abiding by CICO. If you can maintain a healthy weight and system doing that, you are in the minority. Many can lose, few can keep it off.21 -
Munchberry wrote: »russelljam08 wrote: »Munchberry wrote: »Leslierussell4134 wrote: »Man, why are people so threatened by the keto way of eating? Telling people to pull their heads out of their a $$es? Are you afraid? People on keto and IF are losing weight and feeling great and you tell them it's not real or not magical? No-one said it's magical. Eating at a calorie deficit isn't magical either. And eating at a calorie deficit never helped me in the past. I just felt deprived. Now, I eat. Good food. Wholesome food, and I don't go hungry. I've lost weight, I've lost inches. My blood sugar came down. My blood pressure came down.
With a calorie deficit, but still eating carbs, I had high blood pressure, high blood sugar. I became a diabetic. Now, I control my blood sugar without meds. I control my blood pressure without meds. And I need to get my head out of my @$$?! Try again.
Exactly! I honestly believe the "magical" aspect of Keto is reduction in cravings/hunger. Anyone can lose weight on a calorie restricted diet, but the person that doesn't feel like they want to eat the world and can maintain. Why can't some people just accept that keto works for a lot of people, so to each his own.
That’s what many people seem to miss. We don’t care that people do it and are glad to to see that something works for people. The reason people get defensive is because people spread misinformation about keto and IF. No matter the diet, it all boils down to the calories.
With the spread of misinformation people wind up trying these diets and then end up over eating and not losing at all.
I wholeheartedly support any and all safe diets that allow people to feel good and reach their goals.
I personally reach all of my goals by doing flexible dieting. I’m currently sitting in camp eating carb loaded chocolate chip cookies. With no detriment to my goals. Not feeling restricted or starved in anyway.
It isn't all about calories. It is about insulin.
If you don't care how others lose and keep off weight WHY diss them so hard? Maybe you are the misinformed one. How's calorie restriction working for the vast amount of people out there?
Wrong. Insulin CANNOT create energy from nothing or make ingested energy just *poof* disappear. So yeah it is all about calories!
Well actually ATP is the sole source of energy for us. Insulin: http://diabeteslibrary.org/function-of-insulin/ . Not all humans use calories normally. If you are interested in one abnormality, consider those with diabetes.
Not all people can keep a healthy weight by merely abiding by CICO. If you can maintain a healthy weight and system doing that, you are in the minority. Many can lose, few can keep it off.
CICO is the energy balance equation. It is immutable. You cannot create energy from nothing or make ingested energy disappear. There is no insulin fairy waiting to magically store bodyfat.5 -
Munchberry wrote: »russelljam08 wrote: »Munchberry wrote: »Leslierussell4134 wrote: »Man, why are people so threatened by the keto way of eating? Telling people to pull their heads out of their a $$es? Are you afraid? People on keto and IF are losing weight and feeling great and you tell them it's not real or not magical? No-one said it's magical. Eating at a calorie deficit isn't magical either. And eating at a calorie deficit never helped me in the past. I just felt deprived. Now, I eat. Good food. Wholesome food, and I don't go hungry. I've lost weight, I've lost inches. My blood sugar came down. My blood pressure came down.
With a calorie deficit, but still eating carbs, I had high blood pressure, high blood sugar. I became a diabetic. Now, I control my blood sugar without meds. I control my blood pressure without meds. And I need to get my head out of my @$$?! Try again.
Exactly! I honestly believe the "magical" aspect of Keto is reduction in cravings/hunger. Anyone can lose weight on a calorie restricted diet, but the person that doesn't feel like they want to eat the world and can maintain. Why can't some people just accept that keto works for a lot of people, so to each his own.
That’s what many people seem to miss. We don’t care that people do it and are glad to to see that something works for people. The reason people get defensive is because people spread misinformation about keto and IF. No matter the diet, it all boils down to the calories.
With the spread of misinformation people wind up trying these diets and then end up over eating and not losing at all.
I wholeheartedly support any and all safe diets that allow people to feel good and reach their goals.
I personally reach all of my goals by doing flexible dieting. I’m currently sitting in camp eating carb loaded chocolate chip cookies. With no detriment to my goals. Not feeling restricted or starved in anyway.
It isn't all about calories. It is about insulin.
If you don't care how others lose and keep off weight WHY diss them so hard? Maybe you are the misinformed one. How's calorie restriction working for the vast amount of people out there?
Wrong. Insulin CANNOT create energy from nothing or make ingested energy just *poof* disappear. So yeah it is all about calories!
Well actually ATP is the sole source of energy for us. Insulin: http://diabeteslibrary.org/function-of-insulin/ . Not all humans use calories normally. If you are interested in one abnormality, consider those with diabetes.
Not all people can keep a healthy weight by merely abiding by CICO. If you can maintain a healthy weight and system doing that, you are in the minority. Many can lose, few can keep it off.
1) The insulin hypothesis has been widely debunked as a steaming pile of poo.
2) The fact that there is a variance in CO due to some conditions has nothing to do with the validity of CICO.
3) Maintaining healthy weight has to do with a number of behavioral/psychological factors. The fact that people get fat again proves, rather than disproves, the validity of CICO. They get fat because they slack off and start eating more and/or moving less after they've lost the weight.5 -
Anti Keto people.
Calories in . Calories out? How then does this work:
One month average calorie intake with all things not premeasured and calories specified or weighed. All things recorded on MFP. Calories in:1623. Average daily calorie burn over same month 4724 (per fitbit). Calorie calculator for calories in calories out for my stats(age, weight, ht, activity (3 to 5 days per week activity and I do a lot of activity) to lose a healthy 8 pounds in a month are: 1632 calorie intake. Amount lost on just CICA for said month: 4 pounds on the dot.
Not. Everyone. Is. The. Same. Do. What Works.
Stop telling people you know what is best for everyone.22 -
Munchberry wrote: »Anti Keto people.
Calories in . Calories out? How then does this work:
One month average calorie intake with all things not premeasured and calories specified or weighed. All things recorded on MFP. Calories in:1623. Average daily calorie burn over same month 4724 (per fitbit). Calorie calculator for calories in calories out for my stats(age, weight, ht, activity (3 to 5 days per week activity and I do a lot of activity) to lose a healthy 8 pounds in a month are: 1632 calorie intake. Amount lost on just CICA for said month: 4 pounds on the dot.
Not. Everyone. Is. The. Same. Do. What Works.
Stop telling people you know what is best for everyone.
You lost weight eating less calories than normal? You've got this!4 -
Munchberry wrote: »Anti Keto people.
Calories in . Calories out? How then does this work:
One month average calorie intake with all things not premeasured and calories specified or weighed. All things recorded on MFP. Calories in:1623. Average daily calorie burn over same month 4724 (per fitbit). Calorie calculator for calories in calories out for my stats(age, weight, ht, activity (3 to 5 days per week activity and I do a lot of activity) to lose a healthy 8 pounds in a month are: 1632 calorie intake. Amount lost on just CICA for said month: 4 pounds on the dot.
Not. Everyone. Is. The. Same. Do. What Works.
Stop telling people you know what is best for everyone.
All of those numbers you quoted are estimates. They have no precision. They cannot be used as evidence of anything.
You. Lack. A. Fundamental. Understanding. Of. The. Subject.10 -
mrsnattybulking wrote: »It's great that you are accidentally creating a deficit but your macro split or meal timing doesn't have anything to do with your success.
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The initial water weight loss as a result of switching to keto can be a great motivator - but keep in mind it will return as soon as you reintroduce carbs to your diet.
Keto and IF aren't a magic bullet, but if they're helping you keep at a calorie deficit and you enjoy this way of eating, go for it!
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It's all about what makes it easier to stick with it.
Being consistent is key. If eating meat and eggs keeps you satiated and keeps you in a deficit, right on. If eating rice and potatoes does it for you, cool. Losing weight is different than eating healthy. If you only ate 30 apples in one day, you'd gain weight. If you only ate 2 Big Macs, you'd lose weight.
I did Keto for awhile and liked how it controlled my cravings. I wanted to be a bit more flexible and allow for whatever food choice I wanted while staying under a weekly deficit. It is very liberating to be able to eat whatever you want but also to know how to manipulate calories on a weekly basis to allow for some freedom here and there.1 -
I find it unfortunate that some members on this board found the need to turn this into a debate thread. Last I checked this was posted on "Food and Nutrition." and not "Debate: Health and Fitness." You guys really need to stop it with the dietary egos and appreciate the fact that @mbjo has found a diet that works for her. Is it water weight? Decrease in fat percentage? Decrease in skeletal muscle mass? None of us know and none of us need to know if she is just focusing on the weight itself.
@mbjo Congratulations on you're achievement! Please don't let the negative banters here scare you from the lifestyle. The only thing that matters is that you found a diet that works for you! I've been doing keto since 2015 and had a good improvement in my fat percentage. It also made my hypoglycemia non-existant and fixed a lot of other issues I had with the traditional american diet such as mood swings and difficulties focusing in school. So you're not alone! There's plenty of members in this community who adopted keto as well. If you're interested, there is a fantastic youtube channel that provides an abundance of tips to staying on track and enjoying keto:
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheTdelauer
Keep up the great work!!!17 -
Munchberry wrote: »Anti Keto people.
Calories in . Calories out? How then does this work:
One month average calorie intake with all things not premeasured and calories specified or weighed. All things recorded on MFP. Calories in:1623. Average daily calorie burn over same month 4724 (per fitbit). Calorie calculator for calories in calories out for my stats(age, weight, ht, activity (3 to 5 days per week activity and I do a lot of activity) to lose a healthy 8 pounds in a month are: 1632 calorie intake. Amount lost on just CICA for said month: 4 pounds on the dot.
Not. Everyone. Is. The. Same. Do. What Works.
Stop telling people you know what is best for everyone.
All of those numbers you quoted are estimates. They have no precision. They cannot be used as evidence of anything.
You. Lack. A. Fundamental. Understanding. Of. The. Subject.
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It's the only way of eating that works for me and helps me shed body fat quickly. I'm surprised how few actually understand the hormonal role of insulin in weight gain and weight loss. Insulin is the fat storage hormone and is spiked highest when we eat carbs and high levels of protein but not when we eat fats. It also blocks the fat burning hormone in our bodies. When we reduce carbs and our frequency of eating then it drives our insulin levels low and that triggers our fat burning hormone to start releasing fat from our body fat stores for energy. Many people who struggle to lose weight and who gain it easily when they eat carbs are insulin resistant like myself. Type 2 diabetes runs in my family and I have avoided it by maintaining this way of eating. Dr. Jason Fung does a great job explaining this process on you-tube.17
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fuzzydogpa wrote: »It's the only way of eating that works for me and helps me shed body fat quickly. I'm surprised how few actually understand the hormonal role of insulin in weight gain and weight loss. Insulin is the fat storage hormone and is spiked highest when we eat carbs and high levels of protein but not when we eat fats. It also blocks the fat burning hormone in our bodies. When we reduce carbs and our frequency of eating then it drives our insulin levels low and that triggers our fat burning hormone to start releasing fat from our body fat stores for energy. Many people who struggle to lose weight and who gain it easily when they eat carbs are insulin resistant like myself. Type 2 diabetes runs in my family and I have avoided it by maintaining this way of eating. Dr. Jason Fung does a great job explaining this process on you-tube.
Except that Fung’s crackpot pseudoscientific theories have been completely debunked by reputable researchers who actually understand the subject and aren’t just being controversial to sell books and earn fame.
Fung is a laughingstock in the evidence-based research world. He’s the poster child for how to cherry pick research and twist results to fit his agenda.
Intermittent fasting and keto work the same way any other diet does for weight loss. If you eat less calories than you burn, in whatever way one chooses to do it, you lose weight.
[ETA:] It would seem that you don't actually understand the hormonal role of insulin in weight gain and weight loss (which is not at all surprising if you've been relying upon Fung's drivel). Here is an unbiased, evidence-based research review by James Krieger (with plenty of peer-reviewed research linked) regarding what insulin actually is and what it does: https://weightology.net/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
And here is an evidence based review which scientifically debunks Fung's theories: https://www.myoleanfitness.com/evidence-caloric-restriction/7 -
fuzzydogpa wrote: »It's the only way of eating that works for me and helps me shed body fat quickly. I'm surprised how few actually understand the hormonal role of insulin in weight gain and weight loss. Insulin is the fat storage hormone and is spiked highest when we eat carbs and high levels of protein but not when we eat fats. It also blocks the fat burning hormone in our bodies. When we reduce carbs and our frequency of eating then it drives our insulin levels low and that triggers our fat burning hormone to start releasing fat from our body fat stores for energy. Many people who struggle to lose weight and who gain it easily when they eat carbs are insulin resistant like myself. Type 2 diabetes runs in my family and I have avoided it by maintaining this way of eating. Dr. Jason Fung does a great job explaining this process on you-tube.
You seem to be the one who doesn't understand the hormonal role of insulin. Firstly, it's not "the fat storage hormone". It neither stores fat nor is it the only hormone. It transports nutrients into cells. That's its job.
Insulin is like a truck on demand. If there's stuff to transport somewhere it comes and does just that. If there's nothing to transport it doesn't.
If you want to build a house, does it matter how often a truck drives by or does it matter how much material it brings with it?
Another thing. People like you who post this kind of stuff seem to not understand that fat storage and fat burning is SUPPLY AND DEMAND DRIVEN. Your body doesn't just store or burn fat because it feels like it, it does so because it has to. If too much glucose or triglycerides are circulating through your blood storage is driven to bring them down to a normal level. If there's too low, more is released from your storage to be used by your cells so you can, you know, stay alive. This happens many times all throughout the day, every day.6 -
russelljam08 wrote: »Munchberry wrote: »Leslierussell4134 wrote: »Man, why are people so threatened by the keto way of eating? Telling people to pull their heads out of their a $$es? Are you afraid? People on keto and IF are losing weight and feeling great and you tell them it's not real or not magical? No-one said it's magical. Eating at a calorie deficit isn't magical either. And eating at a calorie deficit never helped me in the past. I just felt deprived. Now, I eat. Good food. Wholesome food, and I don't go hungry. I've lost weight, I've lost inches. My blood sugar came down. My blood pressure came down.
With a calorie deficit, but still eating carbs, I had high blood pressure, high blood sugar. I became a diabetic. Now, I control my blood sugar without meds. I control my blood pressure without meds. And I need to get my head out of my @$$?! Try again.
Exactly! I honestly believe the "magical" aspect of Keto is reduction in cravings/hunger. Anyone can lose weight on a calorie restricted diet, but the person that doesn't feel like they want to eat the world and can maintain. Why can't some people just accept that keto works for a lot of people, so to each his own.
That’s what many people seem to miss. We don’t care that people do it and are glad to to see that something works for people. The reason people get defensive is because people spread misinformation about keto and IF. No matter the diet, it all boils down to the calories.
With the spread of misinformation people wind up trying these diets and then end up over eating and not losing at all.
I wholeheartedly support any and all safe diets that allow people to feel good and reach their goals.
I personally reach all of my goals by doing flexible dieting. I’m currently sitting in camp eating carb loaded chocolate chip cookies. With no detriment to my goals. Not feeling restricted or starved in anyway.
It isn't all about calories. It is about insulin.
If you don't care how others lose and keep off weight WHY diss them so hard? Maybe you are the misinformed one. How's calorie restriction working for the vast amount of people out there?
Wrong. Insulin CANNOT create energy from nothing or make ingested energy just *poof* disappear. So yeah it is all about calories!
Yes! You made me blurt out a laugh in public. You guys are amazing. Thanks for the back up. I quite literally just finished reading an article by brad schoenfeld who was bashing the insulin theory.
I intentionally spike my insulin while in a deficit post workout just in hopes it'll prevent any catabolism. Also bro science ish but I can admit that. Regardless of that I have broken sub 7% bf several times. So something isn't adding up..2 -
Man, why are people so threatened by the keto way of eating? Telling people to pull their heads out of their a $$es? Are you afraid? People on keto and IF are losing weight and feeling great and you tell them it's not real or not magical? No-one said it's magical. Eating at a calorie deficit isn't magical either. And eating at a calorie deficit never helped me in the past. I just felt deprived. Now, I eat. Good food. Wholesome food, and I don't go hungry. I've lost weight, I've lost inches. My blood sugar came down. My blood pressure came down.
With a calorie deficit, but still eating carbs, I had high blood pressure, high blood sugar. I became a diabetic. Now, I control my blood sugar without meds. I control my blood pressure without meds. And I need to get my head out of my @$$?! Try again.
I can assure you, we're not afraid. We're aware of how unsustainable this is for the long term for most people. That guy could've said it without being rude though.
I wasn't being rude. I never said keto didn't work, what I said is the people spreading misinformation as to how it actually works need a reality check. If you find that rude I'm sorry I dnt know what to tell you. I guess I just find different things rude.3 -
Man, why are people so threatened by the keto way of eating? Telling people to pull their heads out of their a $$es? Are you afraid? People on keto and IF are losing weight and feeling great and you tell them it's not real or not magical? No-one said it's magical. Eating at a calorie deficit isn't magical either. And eating at a calorie deficit never helped me in the past. I just felt deprived. Now, I eat. Good food. Wholesome food, and I don't go hungry. I've lost weight, I've lost inches. My blood sugar came down. My blood pressure came down.
With a calorie deficit, but still eating carbs, I had high blood pressure, high blood sugar. I became a diabetic. Now, I control my blood sugar without meds. I control my blood pressure without meds. And I need to get my head out of my @$$?! Try again.
I just want to say, you win that. Couldn’t have said it better. I’ve done Calorie counting at different numbers and it didn’t work for me. But I’m doing keto and every second day fasting, same calorie count and I’ve lost 40 pounds so whatever that means. Woo me all ya want but look at my progress pics. Proof is there, there is science on both sides. Maybe we’re not all the same could you imagine that!?! Or is that too frightening to think what you believed in may be a little wrong, kinda like when everyone thought the earth was flat and found out it was round.12 -
NickyGee2015 wrote: »Man, why are people so threatened by the keto way of eating? Telling people to pull their heads out of their a $$es? Are you afraid? People on keto and IF are losing weight and feeling great and you tell them it's not real or not magical? No-one said it's magical. Eating at a calorie deficit isn't magical either. And eating at a calorie deficit never helped me in the past. I just felt deprived. Now, I eat. Good food. Wholesome food, and I don't go hungry. I've lost weight, I've lost inches. My blood sugar came down. My blood pressure came down.
With a calorie deficit, but still eating carbs, I had high blood pressure, high blood sugar. I became a diabetic. Now, I control my blood sugar without meds. I control my blood pressure without meds. And I need to get my head out of my @$$?! Try again.
I just want to say, you win that. Couldn’t have said it better. I’ve done Calorie counting at different numbers and it didn’t work for me. But I’m doing keto and every second day fasting, same calorie count and I’ve lost 40 pounds so whatever that means. Woo me all ya want but look at my progress pics. Proof is there, there is science on both sides. Maybe we’re not all the same could you imagine that!?! Or is that too frightening to think what you believed in may be a little wrong, kinda like when everyone thought the earth was flat and found out it was round.
Exact same calories. Even on the fasting days? I love the condescension as you speak about how people have different opinions and that we should respect that.
Also.. there is still a very large following of people who do not believe it is round. One argument is if Antarctica isn't the end of the world why aren't civilians allowed to fly planes over it.
Soooo. And not 10 years ago the common sense belief was to lose fat you can't eat fat, then no carbs after 6pm followed by no eating at all after 9pm-12. So you know. Things change.5 -
I don't think skeptics are afraid of keto and IF. Skeptics are skeptical because its not the kinda diet that looks sustainable over the long term. How long can a person maintain a diet like this? For me it looks like a recipe for diarrhea and other digestion issues. Namely because extremely low cal diets are also extremely low in fiber. Also, where do you get energy from? How do you work out? So yeah I don't know anything about it, but from a birdseye view I wouldn't consider this to be a realistic life plan. And that's most people who have been at this for long are looking for, a sustainable diet plan. Unless you're a model cutting for photo shoot I don't get the point of keto and IF. You can easily drop pounds on a healthier balanced high fiber diet, because its hard eat enough calories in a day fiber is filling. CARBS are not satan.7
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