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which is the best diet for overall health and weight loss
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Just one of the Blue Zones. All the longest living, healthiest cultures have high carb intake(as a % of overall diet)
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But if people are getting their sugar from fruit, why would they be interested in buying low fat products?
The thought is they will stop eating fruit and begin buying these products? How exactly is this working?15 -
30% grains, 40% vegetables, 10% fruits - sugar sugar sugar - you need sugar but not that much - you can get the roughly the same vitamins and minerals if vegetable that contain far more fiber with far less sugar
Are you reading what I'm writing? Even if I got all my grains from pasta, that would just be 2.1 grams of sugar.
If I ate a pound of asparagus, I'd be getting more sugar. Demonizing grains due to fear of sugar is ridiculous if you're going to turn around and recommend vegetable consumption.
It seems like you're swallowing a lot of truisms and internet myths about certain foods. You can actually pull up nutritional information for various foods like grains and vegetables and see how much sugar is in them (if sugar is what you want to be obsessed with). In any event, stop accepting the simplistic truth that a diet that includes grains, fruits, and vegetables in reasonable amounts is going to have a "massive" amount of sugar.
You've been mislead and you're trying to spread the misinformation. You were mislead into believing the food pyramid is current (and now you have learned it isn't). You've been mislead to think that current recommendations are to pound down pasta all day long (it isn't, grains are just 30% of recommended intake), and you've been mislead to assume that replacing grains with vegetables is automatically going to reduce sugar intake (it isn't).
Just take a pause and learn some stuff. You might find some things you want to incorporate into your diet planning, you may decide to keep on your current plan. Either way, knowing accurate information is better than not knowing it.17 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
But if people are getting their sugar from fruit, why would they be interested in buying low fat products?
The thought is they will stop eating fruit and begin buying these products? How exactly is this working?
the average person gong for health - is not investigating deeply the amount of sugar in there diets - they just here eat your fruits and vegetables and stay away from fatty foods and low fat diet is best - Vegetable yes - some fruit - low grains and good fats and protein
Someone who is eating their fruits and vegetables is buying fruits and vegetables. I'm not sure how this shift to low fat products that you're predicting is supposed to be happening.9 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
But if people are getting their sugar from fruit, why would they be interested in buying low fat products?
The thought is they will stop eating fruit and begin buying these products? How exactly is this working?
the average person gong for health - is not investigating deeply the amount of sugar in there diets - they just here eat your fruits and vegetables and stay away from fatty foods and low fat diet is best - Vegetable yes - some fruit - low grains and good fats and protein
Someone who is eating their fruits and vegetables is buying fruits and vegetables. I'm not sure how this shift to low fat products that you're predicting is supposed to be happening.
Or who in this thread is advocating a low fat diet? Or any sort of governing agency that is currently recommending a low fat diet other than to deal with certain medical conditions.
This poster seems to be stuck in some sort of time warp where the food pyramid and Snackwells reign surpreme... I can just picture him in his Doc Martens rocking out to Nirvana wondering why people don't get with the program and stop eating those horrible fruits and vegetables!14 -
Bottom line people the sugar industry has paid the right people to convince you fat is bad - why - because there is ALOT of money to be made form producing sugar - but like I said feel free to fill your diet with sugar all you want
I don't think fat is bad...I eat plenty of it and do not purchase "low fat" food items except for milk which I don't even drink much of. I think you're making a lot of assumptions...it's not 19 *kitten* 80...I'm pretty sure the vast majority of us don't think fat is bad. Most of the people you're arguing and dismissing here are pretty healthy and fit and have had a lot of success.
I don't think fat is bad...I don't think "white" food is bad...like a potato is pretty much a nutritional powerhouse. I don't think grains are bad...I don't think fruit is bad...I don't think veggies are bad...
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Hmmm... Just checked 90 days of reports on my sugar intake. Not something I usually track. So, let's see here:
Since I don't regularly track sugar, I can't pinpoint exactly what that spike on Feb 2nd was... but I have a good idea:
See, most of the time, I don't have a lot of bakery treats. That salted caramel Greek yogurt thing probably helped the spike, but I had the rest of the box on other days and I defy you to guess which days without checking the rest of my diary. Those other 89 days? My 'sugar sugar sugar'? Fruits, granola, Greek yogurt, veggies... you know, my normal vegetarian 50% carbs. Oh yeah. I make low-fat desserts, too. The brownie for dessert was about as full-fat decadent as it comes, which is why I split it with my husband.
My n=1: Low fat food does not necessarily contain excessive sugar. But the high-fat stuff apparently does...
ETA: For the record, I don't aim for low-fat. I work on protein and iron (and failed on that day, mostly because it was a dinner outside the home and the vegetarian meal I was served was what I ate) and let the rest fall where it falls. Which is generally 50% carbs and about 55-60% of my fat target.5 -
what i am saying is that they are already getting the sugar from the F&V then they buy fat free stuff thinking it health only to be eating massive amount of Sugar - 20% carbs a day are more than enough 40% Fat needed for endocrine system and CNS function, 40% protein needed for muscle retention , blood production, enzyme production....
Sugar needed for ATP production but you can produce ATP with fats and not have all the ancillary issue associate with Sugar consumption
I don't think you understand your audience here...11 -
The Whole 30 eliminates foods that generally cause allergic reactions, wheat, dairy, sugar, processed foods for 30 days.
No, it really doesn't. It's based on the paleo myth, basically, and has no genuine backing for the foods it selects to cut out -- common allergens and problems for people with IBS are avoided, and foods that most have no issue with (like beans) are demonized.
"Processed foods" is too broad a category to have any meaning.
Good but lengthy debunking of W30.
(That said, if you need such a thing to motivate yourself to start cooking from whole foods, it might be useful, but I think it's better to do so without buying into the false claims and the anti legume/grain/dairy stuff.)
Interesting discussion of leaky gut and the test OP said she took: http://thenutritionpress.com/debunking-myths-leaky-gut-syndrome/
"Intestinal structures are complex and dynamic, varying between individuals and stimuli. Importantly, the lining acts as a mechanism of defence for the immune system, with leaky gut often a manifestation of autoimmune disease. However in healthy individuals, human and animal studies conclude that changes in intestinal permeability are insufficient in instigating disease. Research does not support a syndrome or attribute the aforementioned symptoms to a leaky gut. Currently, the primary goal of medical treatments is to treat the underlying disorder."
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"Testing for leaky gut involves measuring the mannitol and lactulose levels in urine. Lactulose is partially absorbed, while mannitol readily passes through intestinal linings. High mannitol and low lactulose considered normal range
High mannitol and high lactulose considered to indicate ‘leaky gut.’ Kits range from $100 to $250 from alternative nutritional sites and should be considered with caution. Intestinal motility and permeability varies amongst individuals, and also over time. Similar results are used to identify Crohn’s disease and therefore does not necessarily indicate ‘leaky gut syndrome’. The test also does not distinguish between occasional and prolonged absorption fluctuations, as medications and alcohol can irritate the lining. Despite online availability, interpreting diagnostic results without medical guidance is discouraged."
If what OP did is buy some test and send it to a lab (which seems to be what she said), it's not reliable, and if she really thinks she has a medical problem seeing a doctor (a real doctor) is important, not self-diagnosis based on tests you can buy and trendy internet syndromes.8 -
I recently read about the Blue Zones, areas where there are an extraordinary number of healthy centenarians. They eat a lot of veggies, fruits, whole grains, nuts and seeds, and legumes plus a little dairy, oil, fish, alcohol and meat, with lots of variations between communities. But what they all had in common was they live constantly active lifestyles and remain socially active in the community. I am firm a believer that it's not really difficult to eat a healthy diet, just aim for variety and make sure you are eating a decent amount of nutritious food. I think how you live is way more important. But I'm guessing that's not what you are looking for.
Yeah, I find looking at commonalities between the Blue Zones to be the most sensible approach too, and it's striking that it's not just food.5 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »http://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/1900694/effects-low-carbohydrate-low-fat-diets-randomized-trial?doi=10.7326/M14-0180
Conclusion:
The low-carbohydrate diet was more effective for weight loss and cardiovascular risk factor reduction than the low-fat diet. Restricting carbohydrate may be an option for persons seeking to lose weight and reduce cardiovascular risk factors.
That is absolutely not true.
I guess you can take it up with National Institutes of Health
Or with my PCP. Which I did and I will take her advice.
Which she should be reading the latest research - until 100 years cutting a was great way to get rid of disease
BS
Yeah you are right - doctors shouldn't stay well read with the latest research
Wow, you think they don't stay up on research? Head in the sand
If she is still touting the standard food pyramid to you I would change your doctor - but hey feel free to pound down that pasta all day long if you like
The "food pyramid" is not actually current.
If you think it is, you aren't well informed.
But then in that you believe in myths like that the US greatly reduced it's total fat intake, I guess you aren't.7 -
what i am saying is that they are already getting the sugar from the F&V then they buy fat free stuff thinking it health only to be eating massive amount of Sugar - 20% carbs a day are more than enough 40% Fat needed for endocrine system and CNS function, 40% protein needed for muscle retention , blood production, enzyme production....
Sugar needed for ATP production but you can produce ATP with fats and not have all the ancillary issue associate with Sugar consumption
I've read a lot (lot!) of other people's food diaries in 3 years here. The number I've seen that consist of a boatload of fruit and veggies, plus a bunch of highly-processd low fat/high sugar foods? Effectively zero.
Not a common thing. Not a thing at all, really. I call straw man.8 -
WinoGelato wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
But if people are getting their sugar from fruit, why would they be interested in buying low fat products?
The thought is they will stop eating fruit and begin buying these products? How exactly is this working?
the average person gong for health - is not investigating deeply the amount of sugar in there diets - they just here eat your fruits and vegetables and stay away from fatty foods and low fat diet is best - Vegetable yes - some fruit - low grains and good fats and protein
Someone who is eating their fruits and vegetables is buying fruits and vegetables. I'm not sure how this shift to low fat products that you're predicting is supposed to be happening.
Or who in this thread is advocating a low fat diet? Or any sort of governing agency that is currently recommending a low fat diet other than to deal with certain medical conditions.
This poster seems to be stuck in some sort of time warp where the food pyramid and Snackwells reign surpreme... I can just picture him in his Doc Martens rocking out to Nirvana wondering why people don't get with the program and stop eating those horrible fruits and vegetables!
This is what happens to a lot of people who get caught in internet nutrition information, I've noticed. Because so many low carb/paleo/"clean eating" people are working with outdated information about the food pyramid or recommendations for low fat diets, the people who are frequent readers of those sources tend to act like the nutritional fads of the 90s are still current.
You'll never get me to criticize Doc Martens though. I still love those things!14 -
what i am saying is that they are already getting the sugar from the F&V then they buy fat free stuff thinking it health only to be eating massive amount of Sugar - 20% carbs a day are more than enough 40% Fat needed for endocrine system and CNS function, 40% protein needed for muscle retention , blood production, enzyme production....
Sugar needed for ATP production but you can produce ATP with fats and not have all the ancillary issue associate with Sugar consumption
Who is doing this? Given the current trends (paleo, low carb, keto, "clean eating"), who exactly is buying this fat free stuff? Who is even making it anymore? I don't think my grocery store even sells Snackwells anymore and they were like the poster child for low fat snacks. The trendy snacks are higher fat things like coconut chips or things that are higher in fiber like roasted chickpeas.6
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