Anyone go from a class junkie to heavy lifting?
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crossfit_dottir wrote: »Davidsdottir wrote: »Davidsdottir wrote: »Crossfit?
No.
Compete with yourself. That's what its about. Or sign up for a powerlifting meet if you're struggling that much it'll give you something to work for
Wow, just "No?" Whatever.
When it has an 18% injury rate. The highest out of all lifting sports. I'm sorry but yes I have to say no.
Too many cross fit "coaches" are some joe blow from down the street ego took an online course. Followed by having people try to forcibly jerk heavy weights into the air with very little knowledge or understanding of the mechanics involved in the lift.
Thats my reasoning. I hope it's a bit more informative.
And you have facts to back this? Running has far and away the highest injury rate of any exercise activity. Drives me nuts that so many people knock CrossFit who have never done, but it's "cool" to knock it so they do.
I don't remember mentioning running amongst "lifting" sports. But alright. And yeah polls have been done in regards to LIFTING sports. Among them cross fit ranked the highest.
I never bashed it if you read my post. I did however state that most coaches are some random who got his cross fit coaching certificate online. Along with that, many other posters have backed my claims. If you want to get good at throwing random things around as others have said. Choose cross fit. If you want to achieve goals for strength. Go with powerlifting or Oly lifting. With a proven coach.
You can't get crossfit coahing certificate online.
And quick Google research shows powerlifters at much higher % injury rate.
I wonder how much of the CF injury rate is due to the fact that it often seems to attract newer lifters.1 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
I wonder how much of the CF injury rate is due to the fact that it often seems to attract newer lifters.
I dunno, possibly that. Or those that can be overly competitive. If you go all out on every single workout then you're going to put yourself at risk of injury.
I don't know whether I've just been lucky, but both boxes I've trained at locally have been really good at mixing it up with less intense, less heavy, conditioning sessions throughout the week to break it up a bit.
I'm not very competitive anyway, but I can see how the competitive element of CrossFit combined with a competitive mindset, can lead to people pushing themselves too hard.
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Andy__Dane wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
I wonder how much of the CF injury rate is due to the fact that it often seems to attract newer lifters.
I dunno, possibly that. Or those that can be overly competitive. If you go all out on every single workout then you're going to put yourself at risk of injury.
I don't know whether I've just been lucky, but both boxes I've trained at locally have been really good at mixing it up with less intense, less heavy, conditioning sessions throughout the week to break it up a bit.
I'm not very competitive anyway, but I can see how the competitive element of CrossFit combined with a competitive mindset, can lead to people pushing themselves too hard.
One common theme that seems to run through anecdotes of serious injuries was that the culture at the box encouraged risky behaviour. As a person who does both Olympic lifting and Powerlifting I cringe at the idea of people doing highly technical lifts, with high relative to max weights in fatigued states due to increased risk of injury when form breaks down. People really need to be aware whenever they lift and need to understand how safely dump a lift. I'm actually surprised we don't see more injuries so to me it seems relatively safe overall despite my reservations about some of what I've seen.
I think that as long as the instructors and lifters have a culture that promotes a safe approach to the exercises there isn't a huge risk.1 -
crossfit_dottir wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Davidsdottir wrote: »Davidsdottir wrote: »Crossfit?
No.
Compete with yourself. That's what its about. Or sign up for a powerlifting meet if you're struggling that much it'll give you something to work for
Wow, just "No?" Whatever.
When it has an 18% injury rate. The highest out of all lifting sports. I'm sorry but yes I have to say no.
Too many cross fit "coaches" are some joe blow from down the street ego took an online course. Followed by having people try to forcibly jerk heavy weights into the air with very little knowledge or understanding of the mechanics involved in the lift.
Thats my reasoning. I hope it's a bit more informative.
And you have facts to back this? Running has far and away the highest injury rate of any exercise activity. Drives me nuts that so many people knock CrossFit who have never done, but it's "cool" to knock it so they do.
I don't remember mentioning running amongst "lifting" sports. But alright. And yeah polls have been done in regards to LIFTING sports. Among them cross fit ranked the highest.
I never bashed it if you read my post. I did however state that most coaches are some random who got his cross fit coaching certificate online. Along with that, many other posters have backed my claims. If you want to get good at throwing random things around as others have said. Choose cross fit. If you want to achieve goals for strength. Go with powerlifting or Oly lifting. With a proven coach.
You can't get crossfit coahing certificate online.
And quick Google research shows powerlifters at much higher % injury rate.
I wonder how much of the CF injury rate is due to the fact that it often seems to attract newer lifters.
Dunno. All the crossfit athletes I know have injured themself wile playing footbhall (or what Americans call soccer) and one athlete injured her back when she didn't warm up properly.
At my box we have the new comers quarters. The bars there are 5 kg - 15 kg (standard Olympic bar for males is 20 kg) and the plates are bumper plates, none heavier than 10 kg.
They have to show up for beginnera class 3x per week for 4 weeks before they are allowed to workout and be a part of our wod's
Our head coach is very strict about this and when you're cleared to join wods you have at least 2 coaches to help you out and assist you.
I don't see a lot of crossfit related injury.
That's a very responsible way to approach the technical lifts so I can see why you don't see a lot of injuries. It sounds like they are borrowing heavily from Oly lifting here because this is pretty similar to the way I started.
I also have noticed a trend for experienced Oly lifting coaches and lifters to move into CF as coaches and that's a good thing in my books.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Davidsdottir wrote: »Davidsdottir wrote: »Crossfit?
No.
Compete with yourself. That's what its about. Or sign up for a powerlifting meet if you're struggling that much it'll give you something to work for
Wow, just "No?" Whatever.
When it has an 18% injury rate. The highest out of all lifting sports. I'm sorry but yes I have to say no.
Too many cross fit "coaches" are some joe blow from down the street ego took an online course. Followed by having people try to forcibly jerk heavy weights into the air with very little knowledge or understanding of the mechanics involved in the lift.
Thats my reasoning. I hope it's a bit more informative.
And you have facts to back this? Running has far and away the highest injury rate of any exercise activity. Drives me nuts that so many people knock CrossFit who have never done, but it's "cool" to knock it so they do.
I don't remember mentioning running amongst "lifting" sports. But alright. And yeah polls have been done in regards to LIFTING sports. Among them cross fit ranked the highest.
I never bashed it if you read my post. I did however state that most coaches are some random who got his cross fit coaching certificate online. Along with that, many other posters have backed my claims. If you want to get good at throwing random things around as others have said. Choose cross fit. If you want to achieve goals for strength. Go with powerlifting or Oly lifting. With a proven coach.
You can't get crossfit coahing certificate online.
And quick Google research shows powerlifters at much higher % injury rate.
I wonder how much of the CF injury rate is due to the fact that it often seems to attract newer lifters.
Considering the obscenely high rate of injuries at the crossfit games this past year, I don't think that novice status is to blame since the injuries are just as high among the ranked competitors.1 -
lmao opposite problem here. I've always done the heavy lifting by myself and just recently started with classes, and i feel really awkward and insecure being around all the other people. In fact I hate classes passionately because I'm sick of hearing all these middle aged house wives talk about their binge drinking and child rearing. I'm stuck going now though because it's $100/mo and I signed up for a year aaaaaargh. Look, if lifting isn't for you, then it isn't for you. We all like different things.1
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stanmann571 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Davidsdottir wrote: »Davidsdottir wrote: »Crossfit?
No.
Compete with yourself. That's what its about. Or sign up for a powerlifting meet if you're struggling that much it'll give you something to work for
Wow, just "No?" Whatever.
When it has an 18% injury rate. The highest out of all lifting sports. I'm sorry but yes I have to say no.
Too many cross fit "coaches" are some joe blow from down the street ego took an online course. Followed by having people try to forcibly jerk heavy weights into the air with very little knowledge or understanding of the mechanics involved in the lift.
Thats my reasoning. I hope it's a bit more informative.
And you have facts to back this? Running has far and away the highest injury rate of any exercise activity. Drives me nuts that so many people knock CrossFit who have never done, but it's "cool" to knock it so they do.
I don't remember mentioning running amongst "lifting" sports. But alright. And yeah polls have been done in regards to LIFTING sports. Among them cross fit ranked the highest.
I never bashed it if you read my post. I did however state that most coaches are some random who got his cross fit coaching certificate online. Along with that, many other posters have backed my claims. If you want to get good at throwing random things around as others have said. Choose cross fit. If you want to achieve goals for strength. Go with powerlifting or Oly lifting. With a proven coach.
You can't get crossfit coahing certificate online.
And quick Google research shows powerlifters at much higher % injury rate.
I wonder how much of the CF injury rate is due to the fact that it often seems to attract newer lifters.
Considering the obscenely high rate of injuries at the crossfit games this past year, I don't think that novice status is to blame since the injuries are just as high among the ranked competitors.
I wonder if those would actually included in the study, I'm not sure what they used for reporting measures. If it's hospital records or surveys or a mix. Competitions are always going to have higher injury rates than just training because people are going to push themselves a lot more.1 -
My sister in law is a physical therapist.You mean like the death rate for marathon runners, football, equestrian, or martial arts?
Don’t get me wrong I prefer powerlifting but think the angst against CrossFit is not rational when you compare statistics. It’s just not as bad as you may believe when compared to most things people do.
She credits CrossFit as being the #1 she is so busy in the last few years.
If you want competition, group settings, etc. then get into Oly lifts or Powerlifting.
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My sister in law is a physical therapist.You mean like the death rate for marathon runners, football, equestrian, or martial arts?
Don’t get me wrong I prefer powerlifting but think the angst against CrossFit is not rational when you compare statistics. It’s just not as bad as you may believe when compared to most things people do.
She credits CrossFit as being the #1 she is so busy in the last few years.
I love this made up line that everyone who "knows a physical therapist" uses. It's like the urban legend of anecdotes.
ETA my friend is a physical therapist and she does crossfit. I guess YMMV.9 -
Really? You are now claiming I made my sister in law up?Davidsdottir wrote: »
My sister in law is a physical therapist.You mean like the death rate for marathon runners, football, equestrian, or martial arts?
Don’t get me wrong I prefer powerlifting but think the angst against CrossFit is not rational when you compare statistics. It’s just not as bad as you may believe when compared to most things people do.
She credits CrossFit as being the #1 she is so busy in the last few years.
I love this made up line that everyone who "knows a physical therapist" uses. It's like the urban legend of anecdotes.
Pretty bold and defensive statement from someone hiding behind a keyboard.
Way to change the subject.4 -
Really? You are now claiming I made my sister in law up?Davidsdottir wrote: »
My sister in law is a physical therapist.You mean like the death rate for marathon runners, football, equestrian, or martial arts?
Don’t get me wrong I prefer powerlifting but think the angst against CrossFit is not rational when you compare statistics. It’s just not as bad as you may believe when compared to most things people do.
She credits CrossFit as being the #1 she is so busy in the last few years.
I love this made up line that everyone who "knows a physical therapist" uses. It's like the urban legend of anecdotes.
Pretty bold and defensive statement from someone hiding behind a keyboard.
Way to change the subject.
I didn't say you made her up. I'm sure she exists. I'm just saying that this anecdote is played out.3 -
Really? You are now claiming I made my sister in law up?Davidsdottir wrote: »
My sister in law is a physical therapist.You mean like the death rate for marathon runners, football, equestrian, or martial arts?
Don’t get me wrong I prefer powerlifting but think the angst against CrossFit is not rational when you compare statistics. It’s just not as bad as you may believe when compared to most things people do.
She credits CrossFit as being the #1 she is so busy in the last few years.
I love this made up line that everyone who "knows a physical therapist" uses. It's like the urban legend of anecdotes.
Pretty bold and defensive statement from someone hiding behind a keyboard.
Way to change the subject.
I think she was referring to 2nd hand accounts of an off the cuff remark. Curious as to the stats of her practise now that you mention it. Did she happen to mention the client rate for CF injury treatments? Also, what's the most common injury? These are things I'd be interested in hearing about from someone who actually treats people.4 -
Another thing that I love is how people are so quick to dismiss the CF L1 certification claiming how easy it is, yet say nothing about the myriads of other trainer certifications that can be obtained on line(CrossFit is not online) and do next to nothing to prepare someone for coaching/teaching people. No one ever calls out the other weekend certs that "anyone" can pass and be a trainer, yet they will jump at the chance to say that about the L1.3
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middlehaitch wrote: »Don't make it an either or. Lift x 3 a week and take a class on alternate days.
(Or find a x2 full body programme)
I wouldn't say I was a class junkie, but most of my workouts were classes, quite a revolving mixture.
When I decided to lift, I, at first, did it along side the classes, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Lifting light and working on form.
Once I had my routine ready to go, I dropped the classes on those 3 days, but carried on with the 2 days and added in a yoga class on Sundays.
At the moment I am just lifting and yoga, walking and rowing being my cardio, no classes they are too taxing.
I think I am lacking the need for others to push me, that may be why I could move into the gym on my own.
Cheers, h.
I've tried exactly this (lifting M,W,F) and found myself burnt out. The classes I take all incorporate some weights aspect, whether it is kettlebells, dumbells, or barbells (40 lbs) and it was too much on my body. I may have to play around with the schedule a bit. Is starting with just 1 day of lifting non-productive? How long would I be able to get away with that before increasing days?
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Davidsdottir wrote: »Crossfit?
I thought this would be optimal too, but turns out I can't afford it. I live in NYC and they are all $175/month and up.0 -
DancingMoosie wrote: »You can lift as well as go to classes. Maybe finding a lifting buddy will help keep you interested and motivated.
That's so funny. I've actually been stalking another girl in my class who I've heard mention deadlifting. I'm trying to find the nerve to ask her to work out with me. . .I may do it next class I see her in.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Davidsdottir wrote: »Davidsdottir wrote: »Crossfit?
No.
Compete with yourself. That's what its about. Or sign up for a powerlifting meet if you're struggling that much it'll give you something to work for
Wow, just "No?" Whatever.
When it has an 18% injury rate. The highest out of all lifting sports. I'm sorry but yes I have to say no.
Too many cross fit "coaches" are some joe blow from down the street ego took an online course. Followed by having people try to forcibly jerk heavy weights into the air with very little knowledge or understanding of the mechanics involved in the lift.
Thats my reasoning. I hope it's a bit more informative.
I think the idea was to be more motivated in a social atmosphere, which CF certainly does. In such cases a good alternative is to find a good hardcore lifting gym for powerlifting or Oly lifting because those tend to be more of a community where lifters encourage and support each other.
Very true. That's what I had in mind. I've met a few like minded powerlifters at my gym and its all about drive and encouragement. I only wish there was a dedicated Oly/powerlifting gym in my city
I haven't found any by me. I'm in NYC.0 -
Davidsdottir wrote: »Crossfit?
I thought this would be optimal too, but turns out I can't afford it. I live in NYC and they are all $175/month and up.
Yeah, that's pretty ridiculous. I get that you're paying for small group instruction, but that's still expensive.1 -
crossfit_dottir wrote: »Davidsdottir wrote: »Crossfit?
I thought this would be optimal too, but turns out I can't afford it. I live in NYC and they are all $175/month and up.
How much is a regular gym membership in the US? Here I pay about 100 for crossfit but would be paying 80 for a gym membership
Crossfit is quite a bit more expensive than a regular gym here, but it's pretty much inline with a powerlifting or Oly lifting gym. Actually, in my city there are 2 Oly lifting gyms and one is attached to a CF box, which makes sense to me.
Essentially, you are paying for the coaching whereas in a regular gym you just use the equipment. It's actually more expensive to have a PT for 3 times a week at a regular gym than to go to a specialized gym.1 -
crossfit_dottir wrote: »Davidsdottir wrote: »Crossfit?
I thought this would be optimal too, but turns out I can't afford it. I live in NYC and they are all $175/month and up.
How much is a regular gym membership in the US? Here I pay about 100 for crossfit but would be paying 80 for a gym membership
$10/mo0 -
crossfit_dottir wrote: »Davidsdottir wrote: »Crossfit?
I thought this would be optimal too, but turns out I can't afford it. I live in NYC and they are all $175/month and up.
How much is a regular gym membership in the US? Here I pay about 100 for crossfit but would be paying 80 for a gym membership
Where I am, Crossfit is $150-$200 a month and a decent gym, not Planet Fitness, is $30-$100 a month.1 -
Davidsdottir wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Davidsdottir wrote: »Crossfit?
I thought this would be optimal too, but turns out I can't afford it. I live in NYC and they are all $175/month and up.
How much is a regular gym membership in the US? Here I pay about 100 for crossfit but would be paying 80 for a gym membership
Where I am, Crossfit is $150-$200 a month and a decent gym, not Planet Fitness, is $30-$100 a month.
Ouch.
I'm paying £45 a month, so approx $650 -
crossfit_dottir wrote: »Davidsdottir wrote: »Crossfit?
I thought this would be optimal too, but turns out I can't afford it. I live in NYC and they are all $175/month and up.
How much is a regular gym membership in the US? Here I pay about 100 for crossfit but would be paying 80 for a gym membership
I pay $85 but I get full laundry service, a locker, clothes (socks, shorts, leggings, shirts, etc.), all the bells and whistles in terms of toiletries, etc.0 -
crossfit_dottir wrote: »Davidsdottir wrote: »Crossfit?
I thought this would be optimal too, but turns out I can't afford it. I live in NYC and they are all $175/month and up.
How much is a regular gym membership in the US? Here I pay about 100 for crossfit but would be paying 80 for a gym membership
We pay $80 a month for a family of 4 at the YMCA.0 -
CircleJerkk wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Davidsdottir wrote: »Crossfit?
I thought this would be optimal too, but turns out I can't afford it. I live in NYC and they are all $175/month and up.
How much is a regular gym membership in the US? Here I pay about 100 for crossfit but would be paying 80 for a gym membership
$10/mo
I'm assuming you are talking Planet Fitness since gyms are much higher.1 -
I pay $115/month for my crossfit gym, and paid $60/month at a large chain gym before this. But I have amazing coaches and it is well worth the money for me, it's the only thing that holds my interest.1
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I went from lots of classes to heavy lifting. I had specific physique goals and lifting is an easier way to get them. My gym is super friendly so you can get the social element too if you're looking for that, but that obviously varies based on where you go.0
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I'm a class junkie. I like the social environment of a class setting and being around other people makes me more competitive. I have tried getting the Starting Strength books and 5x5 app and I can't seem to get myself motivated when I am by myself. I'll do it for a couple of weeks and then I get bored and distracted. Anyone able to get past the class mentality, the need for others to push them, to start weight training on their own? I have not found any heavy lifting type classes near me or that fit my schedule.
Notwithstanding that the thread has descended into comedy testiculating about CrossFit, it's not clear from your original question what you're wanting to gain from heavy lifting. There are many routes to success and there may be alternatives, given how you are motivated.
So in the spirit of coaching skills, what are you wanting to achieve?3 -
MeanderingMammal wrote: »I'm a class junkie. I like the social environment of a class setting and being around other people makes me more competitive. I have tried getting the Starting Strength books and 5x5 app and I can't seem to get myself motivated when I am by myself. I'll do it for a couple of weeks and then I get bored and distracted. Anyone able to get past the class mentality, the need for others to push them, to start weight training on their own? I have not found any heavy lifting type classes near me or that fit my schedule.
Notwithstanding that the thread has descended into comedy testiculating about CrossFit, it's not clear from your original question what you're wanting to gain from heavy lifting. There are many routes to success and there may be alternatives, given how you are motivated.
So in the spirit of coaching skills, what are you wanting to achieve?
Umm, to look really good naked? and be able to eats lots and lots of calories?
But to be serious, I got back to the gym maybe 2-3 years ago consistently and since taking these bootcamp classes, managed to really increase my strength and core (compared to where I was). I didn't drop any pounds but went down at least a size in clothes.
Now I'm feeling like I've hit a plateau and want to push myself to exercise more effectively. Like the energy spent in these classes doesn't quite equal what the results should be. I want to lose a bit more fat and get stronger and we never really do anything in the classes but higher reps with the same size weights. I'd like to be able to do a pull-up, lean out my legs a bit, and generally just expend less energy on the cardio aspect which seems to be draining me from increasing on the strength side.
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