What counts as clean eating?

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  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    NovusDies wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    When/if you get to know her better, you'll see that longer posts are more typical for her. She strikes me as a thoughtful person who likes to "think" things out in text form, stating things more completely in an attempt to come to a better understanding with the person she's conversing with. I wouldn't take the length of her post as a sign that she is "worked up."

    Instead of thinking of this as a place where you are being accused of transgressions or that this is somehow contentious, what if you approached this as a chance for the two of you to learn more about what the other thinks? I honestly think that is what lemurcat12 is trying to do here, get a better idea of what you think and sharing her thoughts in return.


    I am sure you are right. These things kind of work themselves out in the wash given time. You can't rely on first impressions on a message board which is why I am waiting for some other interaction on some other subject. I have been on various message boards for a very long time and in my experience people that tear apart your posts into sections and then type and type tend to take themselves too seriously. I find that makes it hard for me to take them seriously. That was my first impression but I am completely open to being wrong. Thanks for your input.

    I don't think I've said "welcome" yet, but welcome to the forums and I hope you stick around!
  • nutmegoreo
    nutmegoreo Posts: 15,532 Member
    NovusDies wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    When/if you get to know her better, you'll see that longer posts are more typical for her. She strikes me as a thoughtful person who likes to "think" things out in text form, stating things more completely in an attempt to come to a better understanding with the person she's conversing with. I wouldn't take the length of her post as a sign that she is "worked up."

    Instead of thinking of this as a place where you are being accused of transgressions or that this is somehow contentious, what if you approached this as a chance for the two of you to learn more about what the other thinks? I honestly think that is what lemurcat12 is trying to do here, get a better idea of what you think and sharing her thoughts in return.


    I am sure you are right. These things kind of work themselves out in the wash given time. You can't rely on first impressions on a message board which is why I am waiting for some other interaction on some other subject. I have been on various message boards for a very long time and in my experience people that tear apart your posts into sections and then type and type tend to take themselves too seriously. I find that makes it hard for me to take them seriously. That was my first impression but I am completely open to being wrong. Thanks for your input.

    Or she's smart and types fast. :smile:
  • NovusDies
    NovusDies Posts: 8,940 Member
    janejellyroll wrote: »

    I don't think I've said "welcome" yet, but welcome to the forums and I hope you stick around!

    Thanks for the welcome. I am still getting the lay of the land but I kind of like it here.
  • seekingdaintiness
    seekingdaintiness Posts: 137 Member
    Eating food without dirt on it
  • WinoGelato
    WinoGelato Posts: 13,454 Member
    seekingdaintiness wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    NovusDies wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »

    Why?

    Improving the nutritional content of your diet is a start. Reducing calories, especially from low nutrient foods, is a start. Eating vegetables, if you don't much, is a start. Why is it meaningful or a step for someone to start worrying about processing rather than learning about nutrition (which is really not that complicated and most likely know what a healthy diet is without all this clean nonsense)? Why is it a step for someone to make a big thing about how their diet is "clean." That's a distraction from understanding how nutrition works, IMO, and usually just a way to claim that your diet is somehow better than others (even though processed foods aren't inherently bad, many are nutritionally dense and make things easier for some).

    Not everyone is going to wake up one day and just get it. I certainly didn't. I made many of the classic mistakes. Sure they delayed my progress but I did finally figure it out. This isn't Star Trek and we can't mind meld good eating habits into people. My point was a step away from nothing towards something shows at least someone might be open to change even if that change starts kind of ridiculous. Again, not saying the "Clean Diet" is ridiculous I still know next to nothing about it.

    Besides, there is no reason to be mad at what someone else is doing. It has nothing to do with you and your journey, wherever you might be in it. If the "Clean" people annoy you ignore them.

    For many long-term posters, I think it is less being "annoyed" than feeling empathy and concern for the people who are spending time and energy adopting habits that aren't really relevant to weight loss/sustainable weight management. To speak just for myself, I'm not annoyed with clean eaters, I just wish I could have back all the time I spent in my 20s doing things like detoxing and clean eating and eliminating certain foods when all I needed was a calorie deficit. If others can save that wasted time and effort, I'd love to play a part in that.

    I am annoyed by clean eaters because they have really taken over the whole internet discussion about dieting and nutrition, usually with little to no scientific basis to back any of their claims, and are endlessly preachy and unbearably superior acting towards those of us who just eat normal food without bothering with their bizarro food rules.

    I like making them really mad though by pointing out that I have achieved massive weight loss while ignoring everything they say and just counting calories long term. lol

    I like you.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    seekingdaintiness wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    NovusDies wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »

    Why?

    Improving the nutritional content of your diet is a start. Reducing calories, especially from low nutrient foods, is a start. Eating vegetables, if you don't much, is a start. Why is it meaningful or a step for someone to start worrying about processing rather than learning about nutrition (which is really not that complicated and most likely know what a healthy diet is without all this clean nonsense)? Why is it a step for someone to make a big thing about how their diet is "clean." That's a distraction from understanding how nutrition works, IMO, and usually just a way to claim that your diet is somehow better than others (even though processed foods aren't inherently bad, many are nutritionally dense and make things easier for some).

    Not everyone is going to wake up one day and just get it. I certainly didn't. I made many of the classic mistakes. Sure they delayed my progress but I did finally figure it out. This isn't Star Trek and we can't mind meld good eating habits into people. My point was a step away from nothing towards something shows at least someone might be open to change even if that change starts kind of ridiculous. Again, not saying the "Clean Diet" is ridiculous I still know next to nothing about it.

    Besides, there is no reason to be mad at what someone else is doing. It has nothing to do with you and your journey, wherever you might be in it. If the "Clean" people annoy you ignore them.

    For many long-term posters, I think it is less being "annoyed" than feeling empathy and concern for the people who are spending time and energy adopting habits that aren't really relevant to weight loss/sustainable weight management. To speak just for myself, I'm not annoyed with clean eaters, I just wish I could have back all the time I spent in my 20s doing things like detoxing and clean eating and eliminating certain foods when all I needed was a calorie deficit. If others can save that wasted time and effort, I'd love to play a part in that.

    I am annoyed by clean eaters because they have really taken over the whole internet discussion about dieting and nutrition, usually with little to no scientific basis to back any of their claims, and are endlessly preachy and unbearably superior acting towards those of us who just eat normal food without bothering with their bizarro food rules.

    I like making them really mad though by pointing out that I have achieved massive weight loss while ignoring everything they say and just counting calories long term. lol

    I have no problem with someone being annoyed by "clean eaters," (be annoyed by whatever genuinely annoys you!) I was just saying I didn't think anyone had seemed that annoyed *at that point in the thread*.
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