Metabolic Suppression, Global Warming, and Sasquatch,.....Which one is real?
sidcorsini
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It is claimed that neuroscience creates a 'set-pointe' in our brain that locks in a weight our body fights to retain. Can a force of will overcome this potential incarceration, or should we just go looking for Bigfoot?
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I've never heard of a neurological-based set point...4
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Why do people get fat then? Why does this only kick in when people try to lose weight?24
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quiksylver296 wrote: »Why do people get fat then? Why does this only kick in when people try to lose weight?
This is a question I still have yet to see anyone even attempt to answer. If our body "prefers" a certain weight, why does it only keep us from going under it, not over it?
And to add, one would assume that the only reason this comes up is because some people are looking for a reason why they can't lose weight. Meaning the idea is their body is keeping them fat. Why would our body prefer to be overweight? I could understand I guess the high side of the healthy weight range, but how is keeping someone at greater risk for diabetes, heart disease, stroke, and cancer evolutionarily advantageous?
Oh, and the answer to the thread title question is Global Warming. I'm not familiar with the term "Metabolic Suppression", but if it means set point, then Global Warming is the answer.
OP, since you started the thread, can you provide some sources that "claimed that neuroscience creates a 'set-pointe' in our brain that locks in a weight our body fights to retain." please?12 -
To answer the question, one must first define "real."3
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Global warming is real.28
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Is this the real life?3
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Is this the real life?
Some of the threads lately make it clear it's just fantasy...
To be clear, set point theories are just woo, but I can see the train of thought going on in people's minds, especially when they've been in a fairly steady obese/overweight state for a while.
Since I'm not losing/ gaining weight I must be at my set point
I'm having a hard time losing weight, my body must be hanging on to fat because it wants to stay this weight
People who are losing weight must either not be at their set point yet or are outliers who don't have a set point
Some people just have lucky genetics. I'm stuck at this weight.
Seriously flawed logic but very appealing.
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I dunno, my husband has some pretty large feet...5
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I think set point just has to do with ones habits and the amounts of food they are used to eating. That's why people never seem to have a set point that keeps them from gaining, only losing. I think there is a little something to the hunger hormones that are released when someone is in a caloric deficit. For example if someone was to cut back the calories they were consuming pre-weight loss, their hunger signals will demand more food until that person is used to eating the lesser amount. I did read something a while back about the body having a natural want to re-fill the fat cells that were emptied through weight loss. So it sends hunger hormones to the brain telling the person they need to eat. The more fat cells you have, the higher the "Set point". Before I get woo'd though, I think it was one of those Reader's Digest articles they post on MSN... So not very reputable... But while I think there is a little bit of science to this, it's not as big as people make it out to be. It's more about a set point of habits and lifestyle, and less about the body trying to trick you into holding onto the fat you've gained. I think it too often becomes an excuse. Instead of someone looking into why they are not losing weight- be it logging errors, not giving it enough time, too many indulgences, etc. They just throw in the towel, shrug and assume it must be set their set point. Or they just get caught in the landslide with no escape from reality. *cough*7
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I read a recent article in the NYT, I think in January.quiksylver296 wrote: »Why do people get fat then? Why does this only kick in when people try to lose weight?
This is a question I still have yet to see anyone even attempt to answer. If our body "prefers" a certain weight, why does it only keep us from going under it, not over it?
And to add, one would assume that the only reason this comes up is because some people are looking for a reason why they can't lose weight. Meaning the idea is their body is keeping them fat. Why would our body prefer to be overweight? I could understand I guess the high side of the healthy weight range, but how is keeping someone at greater risk for diabetes, heart disease, stroke, and cancer evolutionarily advantageous?
Oh, and the answer to the thread title question is Global Warming. I'm not familiar with the term "Metabolic Suppression", but if it means set point, then Global Warming is the answer.
OP, since you started the thread, can you provide some sources that "claimed that neuroscience creates a 'set-pointe' in our brain that locks in a weight our body fights to retain." please?
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sidcorsini wrote: »I read a recent article in the NYT, I think in January.9
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they're all real!
the 'squatch ended up so huge because years of crash diets 'ruined' his metabolism and caused him to get stuck at his 'set point'. Out of frustration, he resorted to his most extreme diet yet: the Egg Diet. This has given him a major case of the Egg Farts for the last 20 years. Egg Farts contain methane. Methane contributes to- you guessed it- global warming.
it's all connected. wake up, sheeple.
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quiksylver296 wrote: »Why do people get fat then? Why does this only kick in when people try to lose weight?
I have only gained very large amounts of weight in my adult life because of medications that totally altered my appetite, metabolism, cravings and satiety levels. I only gained about 20 or so lbs during pregnancy but certain psych meds, antipsychotics, contributed to my gaining over 120 lbs in a few months.9 -
WillingtoLose1001984 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Why do people get fat then? Why does this only kick in when people try to lose weight?
I have only gained very large amounts of weight in my adult life because of medications that totally altered my appetite, metabolism, cravings and satiety levels. I only gained about 20 or so lbs during pregnancy but certain psych meds, antipsychotics, contributed to my gaining over 120 lbs in a few months.
But if "set point" is a thing, why didn't your body fight against gaining that weight? Why would it only fight someone trying to lose weight?16 -
set point isn't really a thing other than to say, you hit certain points where you have to address your habits, and what you're ultimately willing to do. My happy place is around 180-183 and that's about 15% BF for me. I could certainly get leaner and lose more, however, I'm not willing to do what that takes from a dietary or exercise standpoint to do it because I don't think visible abs are particularly important.8
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Pretty sure Sasquatch farts cause global warming, and the smell causes metabolic suppression. Just my .02 hah.8
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quiksylver296 wrote: »
Now I have to go watch it on YouTube. Damn you
If there was a set point mine would be 7st 7lbs (105 lbs). Just where all the stars tend to align.
I always think my short term weight gain was the anomaly. The thing I have to watch at the moment is not dropping weight as my CO (that dang lifting heavy things) tends to be greater than what I am happy eating.
Don't know about Sasquatch, but there is definitely a Loch Ness Monster. His Brussels sprout farts are warming the oceans.
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WillingtoLose1001984 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Why do people get fat then? Why does this only kick in when people try to lose weight?
I have only gained very large amounts of weight in my adult life because of medications that totally altered my appetite, metabolism, cravings and satiety levels. I only gained about 20 or so lbs during pregnancy but certain psych meds, antipsychotics, contributed to my gaining over 120 lbs in a few months.
But if "set point" is a thing, why didn't your body fight against gaining that weight? Why would it only fight someone trying to lose weight?
I have mentioned a number of times on this thread that I personally had the experience of maintaining the same weight for over ten years with no tracking and plenty of times where I must have been going over tdee, but I wasn't doing it extremely or consistently so it simply wasn't affecting my weight. I'm a mere 5-6 lbs more (gained during pregnancy) yet I haven't been able to lose them for two years in spite of tracking and eating less than I did then. If I haven't gotten pregnant, I would have most likely still been maintaining the same weight as before. Likewise I know a number of people who are thin and remain that way in spite of never tracking, not exercising, and eating whatever they want in whatever amounts they want and never gaining. So the body does fight against gaining as well. We're just evolutionary more predisposed towards preserving energy rather than spending. People who do gain large amounts of weight with no medical issues are generally those who overeat in large amounts, ignoring natural hunger and satiety signals; if you watch shows like 600 Lb life, most of them have severe emotional issues they self-medicate with food. If you give the body a consistent large surplus or large deficit, weight will of course move. Yet for the majority of people, it stays stable for years without tracking at all, which says something for the body wanting to maintain a weight (notice I said 'a weight' - not any specific weight, but the given weight the body is at right now). And for those who have lost a large amount of weight, there are mechanisms such as increased hunger and decreased metabolic rate which work to try and regain, as they've said about Biggest Loser participants. I've also heard the theory mentioned above that fat cells can be formed but can't be removed, only shrunk, and fat cells produce hormones such as leptin that influence hunger.
Most obese people didn't get there by eating 100-200 calories a day over maintenance. Nor are you likely to lose weight on that much of a deficit (measurement issues aside, let's assume we can measure perfectly). The body makes subtle adjustments to make up for the minor fluctuations in intake that pretty much all of us have daily.23
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