Why is (carefully planned) rapid weight loss bad?
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Something else to consider...
Maybe you're just not at a point in life where you are willing/able to do what it takes to lose weight and keep it off? It's a significant thing to do, and there's a reason why most people aren't thin/fit/whatever. It takes work. And consistency. And patience. And lots of it.
Maybe you just aren't there right now. Which is OK.
I am not going to just give up because I am impatient jeez.
If what I try now doesn't work I will try something different. I refuse to gain back the weight I've lost so far, I refuse! I stayed the same weight for months while ravenously hungry during my last pregnancy, and after 2 pregnancies in the past 3 years I was no heavier than before I got pregnant the first time, if I can do that I can do this. I counted my calories through both pregnancies and managed fine. I am not worried about maintaining after that experience apart from worried about knowing the right amount of calories. I can count calories for the rest of my life. I just don't want to be fat a minute longer than I need to be
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Obviously walking burns calories but its not going to improve cardiovascular fitness unless your baseline is so bad that walking is actually effort.28
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Something else to consider...
Maybe you're just not at a point in life where you are willing/able to do what it takes to lose weight and keep it off? It's a significant thing to do, and there's a reason why most people aren't thin/fit/whatever. It takes work. And consistency. And patience. And lots of it.
Maybe you just aren't there right now. Which is OK.
I am not going to just give up because I am impatient jeez.
If what I try now doesn't work I will try something different. I refuse to gain back the weight I've lost so far, I refuse! I stayed the same weight for months while ravenously hungry during my last pregnancy, and after 2 pregnancies in the past 3 years I was no heavier than before I got pregnant the first time, if I can do that I can do this. I counted my calories through both pregnancies and managed fine. I am not worried about maintaining after that experience apart from worried about knowing the right amount of calories. I can count calories for the rest of my life. I just don't want to be fat a minute longer than I need to be
Sorry, I didn't mean for it to come off as "give up because you're impatient"
You seem to have a reason/excuse for everything. My point was maybe you're not where you need to be mentally to be successful right now. Most people aren't going to be successful if health/weight/fitness is their 12th priority.14 -
Obviously walking burns calories but its not going to improve cardiovascular fitness unless your baseline is so bad that walking is actually effort.
But you don't need to improve cardiovascular fitness to lose weight. Losing weight is a matter of burning more calories than you consume. Walking helps you burn more calories.13 -
I find that patronising, it's not like I never walk. My phone says I got 12334 steps yesterday and a distance of 5.6 miles. Not great since today I've not done much because I had tidying/meal prep to get done round the house (we have a moth infestation and I have been panicking moving all the furniture to check for places the carpets have been eaten and hoovering up all the moth larvae :S - oh lord I hate moths) but it's not like I have never walked. I don't own a car so I have no choice but to walk a moderate amount.
I walked this morning. Give it a try.22 -
Obviously walking burns calories but its not going to improve cardiovascular fitness unless your baseline is so bad that walking is actually effort.
Now you're sounding ridiculous. I think you need to look up exercise and its benefits and the types you can do and how to begin. Good luck.21 -
TavistockToad wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »walk for exercise
I don't know if walking counts as exercise really, it's not exactly hard work. Since having the kids I am only averaging 6000 steps a day (when carrying my phone - so outside, I don't carry it round in the house - when I used to have a wrist tracker I got 10-15k average, usually with one 30-35k day in there, in a hilly area, but that was before kids - my son can't walk far and carrying him is - as I mentioned - quite difficult).
I am trying to get out more in the evenings when the kids are in bed but I feel super guilty because it means my husband is stuck alone at home feeling lonely. Like last night I went out for a walk but I rushed home because I felt bad for him.
I really miss it though, my husband and I loved walking before we had kids, but the cost/logistics of getting childcare or the difficulty of carrying children for miles is hard to work with. I'd really like to build up to going mountaineering one day, I am genuinely sad at how trapped in the local area having kids makes us - you add in having to be home for nap time (so no whole days out just walking around anymore) - a bus or train to anywhere interesting to walk is an hour in itself so it's 2hrs round trip, getting him and the baby fed, dressed, ready etc is another 2hrs, at best you get a measly hour walk. We used to go for 6hrs or so. It's the one thing I regret about having kids - but I know once they're older and we build up some stamina we'll be able to get back into it (although I plan to have more so who knows when everything will fall into place...)
It does count as exercise. You stated above your cardiovascular fitness is awful and its hard to exercise efficiently, this is something that can help you improve that and build on that over time.
I always felt like if you don't get your breathing rate up/some lung discomfort you're not exercising really?
lung discomfort!? :huh:
Lol. Maybe smoke a Lucky Strike or two to get that extra-good workout! OP clearly has a LOT to learn about health and fitness.
I’ve found that once you start working a reasonable strategy, and spend some time on it, all the lame excuses regarding exercise fall away. I find it amusing, and maybe a little embarrassing, to think back about the excuses and nutty rationalizing I personally engaged in. “I can’t eat those foods”, “I’m too fat to exercise”, “I don’t have the right equipment to work out”, “I can’t do any of these programs”, “I can’t afford healthy food”, etc. etc. etc. All I was really saying was “It’s not my fault I’m fat.There’s nothing I can do about it.”15 -
I am losing weight fine...Obviously walking burns calories but its not going to improve cardiovascular fitness unless your baseline is so bad that walking is actually effort.
But you don't need to improve cardiovascular fitness to lose weight. Losing weight is a matter of burning more calories than you consume. Walking helps you burn more calories.16 -
TavistockToad wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »walk for exercise
I don't know if walking counts as exercise really, it's not exactly hard work. Since having the kids I am only averaging 6000 steps a day (when carrying my phone - so outside, I don't carry it round in the house - when I used to have a wrist tracker I got 10-15k average, usually with one 30-35k day in there, in a hilly area, but that was before kids - my son can't walk far and carrying him is - as I mentioned - quite difficult).
I am trying to get out more in the evenings when the kids are in bed but I feel super guilty because it means my husband is stuck alone at home feeling lonely. Like last night I went out for a walk but I rushed home because I felt bad for him.
I really miss it though, my husband and I loved walking before we had kids, but the cost/logistics of getting childcare or the difficulty of carrying children for miles is hard to work with. I'd really like to build up to going mountaineering one day, I am genuinely sad at how trapped in the local area having kids makes us - you add in having to be home for nap time (so no whole days out just walking around anymore) - a bus or train to anywhere interesting to walk is an hour in itself so it's 2hrs round trip, getting him and the baby fed, dressed, ready etc is another 2hrs, at best you get a measly hour walk. We used to go for 6hrs or so. It's the one thing I regret about having kids - but I know once they're older and we build up some stamina we'll be able to get back into it (although I plan to have more so who knows when everything will fall into place...)
It does count as exercise. You stated above your cardiovascular fitness is awful and its hard to exercise efficiently, this is something that can help you improve that and build on that over time.
I always felt like if you don't get your breathing rate up/some lung discomfort you're not exercising really?
lung discomfort!? :huh:
Lol. Maybe smoke a Lucky Strike or two to get that extra-good workout! OP clearly has a LOT to learn about health and fitness.
I’ve found that once you start working a reasonable strategy, and spend some time on it, all the lame excuses regarding exercise fall away. I find it amusing, and maybe a little embarrassing, to think back about the excuses and nutty rationalizing I personally engaged in. “I can’t eat those foods”, “I’m too fat to exercise”, “I don’t have the right equipment to work out”, “I can’t do any of these programs”, “I can’t afford healthy food”, etc. etc. etc. All I was really saying was “It’s not my fault I’m fat.There’s nothing I can do about it.”
I know it's my fault I am fat and I *AM* doing something about it.14 -
I have a buggy, that's the same thing right. The almost 2 year old sits on the handlebars and the 3 month old sits in the seat.StellaClaireE wrote: »Do you have a stroller for the kiddos? Pushing a stroller for walks is deff a good option. Mine is 2 1/2 now and riding a bike, which is nice because I have to walk at a fairly descent pace to keep up with her.
I'd love to get the almost 2 year old onto a bike omg! It can be done by 2 and a half?, omg omg, that would be awesome??? Man I had stabilisers on my bike till I was 8!
Sounds like a buggy is the same thing, take the kiddos on more walks, you'll see a difference. She loved going for walks in her stroller when she was younger. She still has training wheels(stabilizers I assume) on her bike but I have to walk at a descent pace to keep up with her. Granted she is 2 and gets distracted easily and we stop because she has to pick up a stick or a rock or just talk about the sky...
Point is though that changes can be made to get where you want to be, you just have to make up your mind and do it, you can make excuses or just do it. Hell I've been making excuses the last 3.5 years and decided to just f*&king do it. It doesn't take more than a week or so to feel it, to feel better, a little stronger, a little more motivated etc. It's not really about the scale, it's how you feel. Every day try to be better than yesterday, if it doesn't happen try again the next day.
"Get uncomfortable being uncomfortable.That's how you break the plateau and reach the next level"6 -
I am losing weight fine...Obviously walking burns calories but its not going to improve cardiovascular fitness unless your baseline is so bad that walking is actually effort.
But you don't need to improve cardiovascular fitness to lose weight. Losing weight is a matter of burning more calories than you consume. Walking helps you burn more calories.
You've got it all worked out so why start this thread at all?41 -
Good grief, you are all over the place! Why ask a question if you are just going to shoot down every single answer you get? You asked a question and received some very solid answers, yet you keep going around in nonsensical circles.
Good luck on whatever your journey is!
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I've skimmed through the thread, but forgive me if I've missed something.
OP, if you are comfortable doing OMAD, is there a reason you can't do this every day and be done with it (at the correct calorie level)? Why throw in the added element of completely fasting for 2 days? Do you really understand what people are telling you that there is a limit to how much body fat a person's body can burn in one day, regardless of their current "fat stores"?10 -
Because I want to know if it's harmful to health for someone fat to run at a high deficit/do extended fasts?TavistockToad wrote: »
I am losing weight fine...Obviously walking burns calories but its not going to improve cardiovascular fitness unless your baseline is so bad that walking is actually effort.
But you don't need to improve cardiovascular fitness to lose weight. Losing weight is a matter of burning more calories than you consume. Walking helps you burn more calories.
You've got it all worked out so why start this thread at all?
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TavistockToad wrote: »walk for exercise
I don't know if walking counts as exercise really, it's not exactly hard work. Since having the kids I am only averaging 6000 steps a day (when carrying my phone - so outside, I don't carry it round in the house - when I used to have a wrist tracker I got 10-15k average, usually with one 30-35k day in there, in a hilly area, but that was before kids - my son can't walk far and carrying him is - as I mentioned - quite difficult).
I am trying to get out more in the evenings when the kids are in bed but I feel super guilty because it means my husband is stuck alone at home feeling lonely. Like last night I went out for a walk but I rushed home because I felt bad for him.
I really miss it though, my husband and I loved walking before we had kids, but the cost/logistics of getting childcare or the difficulty of carrying children for miles is hard to work with. I'd really like to build up to going mountaineering one day, I am genuinely sad at how trapped in the local area having kids makes us - you add in having to be home for nap time (so no whole days out just walking around anymore) - a bus or train to anywhere interesting to walk is an hour in itself so it's 2hrs round trip, getting him and the baby fed, dressed, ready etc is another 2hrs, at best you get a measly hour walk. We used to go for 6hrs or so. It's the one thing I regret about having kids - but I know once they're older and we build up some stamina we'll be able to get back into it (although I plan to have more so who knows when everything will fall into place...)
If course walking is exercise and it's one of the best ones you can do for cardiovascular health. Also, stop making excuses-your husband will survive for 30 minutes while you go on a walk. Or get up early and walk before he even wakes up (I'm out walking at 5am some days and lots of my neighbors are out walking then too). And why can't you put your kids in a stroller and walk with them? Seriously, you're making this way to complicated.9 -
Because I want to know if it's harmful to health for someone fat to run at a high deficit/do extended fasts?TavistockToad wrote: »
I am losing weight fine...Obviously walking burns calories but its not going to improve cardiovascular fitness unless your baseline is so bad that walking is actually effort.
But you don't need to improve cardiovascular fitness to lose weight. Losing weight is a matter of burning more calories than you consume. Walking helps you burn more calories.
You've got it all worked out so why start this thread at all?
Yet you pooh poohed all the answers...29 -
Because I want to know if it's harmful to health for someone fat to run at a high deficit/do extended fasts?TavistockToad wrote: »
I am losing weight fine...Obviously walking burns calories but its not going to improve cardiovascular fitness unless your baseline is so bad that walking is actually effort.
But you don't need to improve cardiovascular fitness to lose weight. Losing weight is a matter of burning more calories than you consume. Walking helps you burn more calories.
You've got it all worked out so why start this thread at all?
And everyone told you it was.
Are we done?26 -
Because I want to know if it's harmful to health for someone fat to run at a high deficit/do extended fasts?TavistockToad wrote: »
I am losing weight fine...Obviously walking burns calories but its not going to improve cardiovascular fitness unless your baseline is so bad that walking is actually effort.
But you don't need to improve cardiovascular fitness to lose weight. Losing weight is a matter of burning more calories than you consume. Walking helps you burn more calories.
You've got it all worked out so why start this thread at all?
harmful in what sense?
There are a number of likely negative side effects (which have been covered pretty thoroughly)... but only you can decide if those side effects matter more than the increased rate of weight loss.
No one is going to tell you it's fine to do. At best, you'll get an, "it's ok, but be careful of ________" advice. If you're waiting for someone to day it's fine, don't hold your breath.11 -
Obviously walking burns calories but its not going to improve cardiovascular fitness unless your baseline is so bad that walking is actually effort.
Absolutely positively incorrect. My resting heart rate is currently in the "athlete" category on the charts. I used to get winded trotting up a flight of stairs.11 -
I've skimmed through the thread, but forgive me if I've missed something.
OP, if you are comfortable doing OMAD, is there a reason you can't do this every day and be done with it (at the correct calorie level)? Why throw in the added element of completely fasting for 2 days? Do you really understand what people are telling you that there is a limit to how much body fat a person's body can burn in one day, regardless of their current "fat stores"?
Honestly I probably will make OMAD the main "everyday" plan (with 16:8 on weekends actually) but I also want to do some extended fasts in there, just for the fun of it and the challenge mostly, assuming it can't hurt.
And no... I do not currently believe that we can't burn sufficient fat to support our metabolic needs during fasting, I would like to see evidence for that.17
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