Dispensed Milk or Cream Portions!
PAV8888
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I drink a lot of coffee.
I often get it from places that don't use single portion creamers... in fact the machines they use often dispense automatic 'shots' that vary in size according to the cup you've ordered.
And there is no guarantee that each individual machine is accurately calibrated! My local McD's dispenses slightly more than what their customer service suggests.
So, this is what McDonald's Canada "officially" dispenses per cup size (medium iced coffee gets a medium shot for the "summer drink" crowd!)
Small: 23ml Medium: 35ml Large: 45ml XL: 55ml
And, of course, you don't always have to order a single, or double shot... you can even order a HALF shot! Most crews will downsize by one (i.e. a large cup will get a medium shot) when you order a half shot... so not quite half!
Many stores still carry 18% individual serve creamers (about 9ml per creamer), but I haven't run into any with 2% single serve packs.
Does anyone know the dispensing size for Tim Horton's? For any other places? I tend to go with 9ml containers whenever they're available, in spite of the waste this generates.
I often get it from places that don't use single portion creamers... in fact the machines they use often dispense automatic 'shots' that vary in size according to the cup you've ordered.
And there is no guarantee that each individual machine is accurately calibrated! My local McD's dispenses slightly more than what their customer service suggests.
So, this is what McDonald's Canada "officially" dispenses per cup size (medium iced coffee gets a medium shot for the "summer drink" crowd!)
Small: 23ml Medium: 35ml Large: 45ml XL: 55ml
And, of course, you don't always have to order a single, or double shot... you can even order a HALF shot! Most crews will downsize by one (i.e. a large cup will get a medium shot) when you order a half shot... so not quite half!
Many stores still carry 18% individual serve creamers (about 9ml per creamer), but I haven't run into any with 2% single serve packs.
Does anyone know the dispensing size for Tim Horton's? For any other places? I tend to go with 9ml containers whenever they're available, in spite of the waste this generates.
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I know it's a PITA if you're really busy, but if you want to get really precise, why don't you brew your own and add your own creamer?1
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I know it's a PITA if you're really busy, but if you want to get really precise, why don't you brew your own and add your own creamer?
I do
At home I drink it black cause I mix my 21g of caffeinated coffee and 22g of decaffeinated coffee grounds and 38oz water the exact way I want it!
But I am NOT always at home!
And did I mention iced coffee in the summer? 
But it is a more general question when it comes to places that dispense their milk or creamer automatically. What is a "single shot of milk"?
Unless I am the only person who consumes a significant portion of their daily calories from coffee and whatever else goes in it!3 -
I can't offer a solution but isn't that always the problem with restaurant food? The employee in the back that likes bacon decided to be generous and now your salad is 60 calories more than you thought. Mayo is not measured for sandwiches. Momentarily neglected potatoes that stay in the oil past their water evaporation stage soak up more oil. The list of possibilities goes on and on.
The nutrition guide for any finished food from a restaurant is an estimate.3 -
Personally, I just go with the web site estimates - close enough for gubmint work. The more of the stuff one drinks, the closer the law of large numbers comes to applying. How large is your estimated daily error potential from this source? How does that compare to other uncontrollable error sources in CI or CO?8
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You could always keep a small container of 2% in a cooler and take it with you. 3
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Personally, I just go with the web site estimates - close enough for gubmint work. The more of the stuff one drinks, the closer the law of large numbers comes to applying. How large is your estimated daily error potential from this source? How does that compare to other uncontrollable error sources in CI or CO?
What web site estimates? That's a part point of the post. To source more info. Most placeses do not include the information. For McDonald's I emailed customer service. Was hoping others had done that already for other places...0 -
Personally, I just go with the web site estimates - close enough for gubmint work. The more of the stuff one drinks, the closer the law of large numbers comes to applying. How large is your estimated daily error potential from this source? How does that compare to other uncontrollable error sources in CI or CO?
What web site estimates? That's a part point of the post. To source more info. Most placeses do not include the information. For McDonald's I emailed customer service. Was hoping others had done that already for other places...
I know Dunkin provides nutritional info for a coffee with skim milk and with whole milk, does McDonalds not do that? It's been awhile since I've gotten coffee there, but I thought it did.1 -
Personally, I just go with the web site estimates - close enough for gubmint work. The more of the stuff one drinks, the closer the law of large numbers comes to applying. How large is your estimated daily error potential from this source? How does that compare to other uncontrollable error sources in CI or CO?
What web site estimates? That's a part point of the post. To source more info. Most placeses do not include the information. For McDonald's I emailed customer service. Was hoping others had done that already for other places...
I know Dunkin provides nutritional info for a coffee with skim milk and with whole milk, does McDonalds not do that? It's been awhile since I've gotten coffee there, but I thought it did.
Maybe now some of their apps do (or at least you can figure out how many calories they're adding by manipulating the +/- of the various configurators they use). But their printer sheets didn't use to. I also haven't seen the info in the Tim Horton Nutritional guides. Maybe I am just missing it?0 -
Personally, I just go with the web site estimates - close enough for gubmint work. The more of the stuff one drinks, the closer the law of large numbers comes to applying. How large is your estimated daily error potential from this source? How does that compare to other uncontrollable error sources in CI or CO?
What web site estimates? That's a part point of the post. To source more info. Most placeses do not include the information. For McDonald's I emailed customer service. Was hoping others had done that already for other places...
I know Dunkin provides nutritional info for a coffee with skim milk and with whole milk, does McDonalds not do that? It's been awhile since I've gotten coffee there, but I thought it did.
Maybe now some of their apps do (or at least you can figure out how many calories they're adding by manipulating the +/- of the various configurators they use). But their printer sheets didn't use to. I also haven't seen the info in the Tim Horton Nutritional guides. Maybe I am just missing it?
I've never even seen a Tom Hortons! But yes, on Dunkin you can play around on the website to add and subtract ingredients and see how it affects the nutrition info, but it's probably not on the static nutrition chart with all the numbers.3 -
Personally, I just go with the web site estimates - close enough for gubmint work. The more of the stuff one drinks, the closer the law of large numbers comes to applying. How large is your estimated daily error potential from this source? How does that compare to other uncontrollable error sources in CI or CO?
What web site estimates? That's a part point of the post. To source more info. Most placeses do not include the information. For McDonald's I emailed customer service. Was hoping others had done that already for other places...
I know Dunkin provides nutritional info for a coffee with skim milk and with whole milk, does McDonalds not do that? It's been awhile since I've gotten coffee there, but I thought it did.
Maybe now some of their apps do (or at least you can figure out how many calories they're adding by manipulating the +/- of the various configurators they use). But their printer sheets didn't use to. I also haven't seen the info in the Tim Horton Nutritional guides. Maybe I am just missing it?
I've never even seen a Tom Hortons! But yes, on Dunkin you can play around on the website to add and subtract ingredients and see how it affects the nutrition info, but it's probably not on the static nutrition chart with all the numbers.
Do you even Canada?
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In Australia a white coffee bought from a shop is usually 1 or 2 shots of espresso and the rest is milk. Oddly we can buy lattes as well but as far as I can tell they're exactly the same as a flat white
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A Timmies medium regular is 105 calories. In Ontario all restaurants must provide nutrition info and most of it is accessible online.2
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Oh Pav, I have no words of wisdom, but you and your coffee habit... oh dear. You would give my husband a run for his money.2
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You are going to drive yourself crazy if you try to be too specific for what sounds like an occasional treat. I would just log what it says on the website and be done with it. If it was an every day thing and we were talking about a 100+ calorie swing, sure, be specific, but a few calories every once in a while shouldn't really matter. As long as the scale is moving in the right direction, you are doing great. Don't make this any more difficult than it needs to be.2
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Personally, I just go with the web site estimates - close enough for gubmint work. The more of the stuff one drinks, the closer the law of large numbers comes to applying. How large is your estimated daily error potential from this source? How does that compare to other uncontrollable error sources in CI or CO?
What web site estimates? That's a part point of the post. To source more info. Most placeses do not include the information. For McDonald's I emailed customer service. Was hoping others had done that already for other places...
I know Dunkin provides nutritional info for a coffee with skim milk and with whole milk, does McDonalds not do that? It's been awhile since I've gotten coffee there, but I thought it did.
Maybe now some of their apps do (or at least you can figure out how many calories they're adding by manipulating the +/- of the various configurators they use). But their printer sheets didn't use to. I also haven't seen the info in the Tim Horton Nutritional guides. Maybe I am just missing it?
I've never even seen a Tom Hortons! But yes, on Dunkin you can play around on the website to add and subtract ingredients and see how it affects the nutrition info, but it's probably not on the static nutrition chart with all the numbers.
Do you even Canada?
LOL, maybe that's why I can't find them 1 -
michelle172415 wrote: »You are going to drive yourself crazy if you try to be too specific for what sounds like an occasional treat. I would just log what it says on the website and be done with it. If it was an every day thing and we were talking about a 100+ calorie swing, sure, be specific, but a few calories every once in a while shouldn't really matter. As long as the scale is moving in the right direction, you are doing great. Don't make this any more difficult than it needs to be.
Pav said in his OP that he does this often and I'm confident that his question about the calories is significant. He's not exactly known around these parts for exaggeration.
@PAV8888 I don't have any help for you either, but you sound like one of those people who can chug a large espresso drink and be asleep 5 minutes later. I had a small serving of froyo the other day that turned out to have coffee in it and I was awake most of the night. I envy you guys sometimes.
Good luck in your quest for information.4 -
I can't offer a solution but isn't that always the problem with restaurant food? The employee in the back that likes bacon decided to be generous and now your salad is 60 calories more than you thought. Mayo is not measured for sandwiches. Momentarily neglected potatoes that stay in the oil past their water evaporation stage soak up more oil. The list of possibilities goes on and on.
The nutrition guide for any finished food from a restaurant is an estimate.
^^This.
After many years in the restaurant industry, I can attest that even *though* portion sizes are controlled and there is an answer to what the exact amount should be...that ain't gonna ever happen.
I'd bet that you could ask for your cream to be on the side and add it yourself. Then you could carry a digital scale and/or a teaspoon and measure it correctly.
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michelle172415 wrote: »You are going to drive yourself crazy if you try to be too specific for what sounds like an occasional treat. I would just log what it says on the website and be done with it. If it was an every day thing and we were talking about a 100+ calorie swing, sure, be specific, but a few calories every once in a while shouldn't really matter. As long as the scale is moving in the right direction, you are doing great. Don't make this any more difficult than it needs to be.
I do weekly Fitbit challenges with Pav and chat a lot. He's always getting coffee. This is not the occasional thing. Not in the least. He's a connoisseur and can compare the coffee from several different places on his daily rounds because he's familiar with it all. Deeply familiar.
He also knows I am giving him the business right now 3 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »michelle172415 wrote: »You are going to drive yourself crazy if you try to be too specific for what sounds like an occasional treat. I would just log what it says on the website and be done with it. If it was an every day thing and we were talking about a 100+ calorie swing, sure, be specific, but a few calories every once in a while shouldn't really matter. As long as the scale is moving in the right direction, you are doing great. Don't make this any more difficult than it needs to be.
I do weekly Fitbit challenges with Pav and chat a lot. He's always getting coffee. This is not the occasional thing. Not in the least. He's a connoisseur and can compare the coffee from several different places on his daily rounds because he's familiar with it all. Deeply familiar.
He also knows I am giving him the business right now
Hmmm, so @PAV8888 is there one specific place you go into really frequently? If you get a cashier that you recognize, maybe you could ask them! Make a little bit of a joke out of - Since I seem to be living off this stuff, I was curious how much milk goes into it. Maybe you can get a tour 2 -
I had the same issues/fear when it came to my morning coffee and adding creamer, so I decided to control it myself. I get my coffee black, add some sweet n low, then when I get to work I add the half n half I keep in the fridge that I can measure out exactly one tspn of. Now I know exactly how much is in there and I control the calories and measurement.2
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I had the same issues/fear when it came to my morning coffee and adding creamer, so I decided to control it myself. I get my coffee black, add some sweet n low, then when I get to work I add the half n half I keep in the fridge that I can measure out exactly one tspn of. Now I know exactly how much is in there and I control the calories and measurement. kinda what I suggested...if Pav is a connoisseur, he's gonna have a problem with the temperature and possibility of reheating, !!!!!1!!!!!!!!!eleven!!!!!! 1
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Oh Pav, I have no words of wisdom, but you and your coffee habit... oh dear. You would give my husband a run for his money.
*takes Pav's side*
I... may go through 30 ounces of iced coffee a day. (Black, no milk. 6 calories.)
Iced coffee is a wonderful, happy thing.2 -
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Get one of these. Take it along with you and measure your coffee creamer enough times to come up with an average serving.0 -
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Get one of these. Take it along with you and measure your coffee creamer enough times to come up with an average serving.
Not a terrible idea and it would help on a couple of other occasions as even after 3 years on MFP I can't decide if a little soup cup is 6oz or 8oz!!!
I've actually done the "measurement" thing at McD's by taking my milk "on the side" a few times and weighing it at home
*I'm just a "big block" up the street* Also did the weight my ice cream cone thing to arrive at an average weight which is slightly more than the published average.
But Tim's is even more variable from store to store ... hence I ask for creamers on the side there. But it irks me to throw out creamer packaging since it defeats my using a re-usable cup!!!
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I admit this was more of a general comment as I am more or less currently fine with tracking my general energy intake/expenditure over time using a combination of MFP and Fitbit. Whether I am a little bit off on the coffee or a lot... it is certainly not affecting things.
But I still think that it would make sense for large chains who post nutritional information to post One milk or One cream values (or for that matter two milk values if they are not exactly the same as 2x one milk values) and also one and two sugar values for those of us who ask for sugar.
Mainly because so many people (and I used to be one of them many years ago) automatically assume that One Cream means the one single creamer, and one sugar the same as a satchel of sugar or even worse a teaspoon of sugar... when the reality is that it is usually several times that.
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Looks just like something that screams "me", right? 1 -
Ask for it on the side and eyeball it maybe?1
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I really don't worry about the splash of 1/2 and 1/2 I put in my coffee, but if I were, I'd put it on the food scale and measure it in.
My daughter works at starbucks and they have a food scale for beans used for a pourover or the clover machine. Maybe they would measure a known portion of creamer in your coffee using the food scale?
Or just carry a pocket sized scale and you can measure in the creamer or 1/2 and 1/2 or whatever you use.
I just round other stuff up and then it matters less that I don't log the splash of cream in a coffee.2
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