Keto not losing should I just focus on basic diet
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MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »
Fat has no bearing on weight loss or gain. Excess calories do. You said yourself the reason why Atkins worked for you - it kept you satisfied. It's a lot easier to lose weight and keep it off when you're eating in a way that keeps you satisfied. Atkins and keto works in that respect for some, and not for others.
My point was that fat intake is emphasized on keto, to the point where I’m wondering if she is taking in too much fat. Fat = calories, in which case excess fat = excess calories. It is unlikely she is getting excess calories from other sources in the keto diet, since carbs are highly restricted (although she could be taking in hidden carbs, of course). If weight loss is slowing significantly, she is getting too many calories from some source.
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MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »
Fat has no bearing on weight loss or gain. Excess calories do. You said yourself the reason why Atkins worked for you - it kept you satisfied. It's a lot easier to lose weight and keep it off when you're eating in a way that keeps you satisfied. Atkins and keto works in that respect for some, and not for others.
My point was that fat intake is emphasized on keto, to the point where I’m wondering if she is taking in too much fat. Fat = calories, in which case excess fat = excess calories. It is unlikely she is getting excess calories from other sources in the keto diet, since carbs are highly restricted (although she could be taking in hidden carbs, of course). If weight loss is slowing significantly, she is getting too many calories from some source.
Yes and no. I've gone over some of my different values without going over my calories, one doesn't automatically mean the other. It sounds more like she hasn't given it long enough to see if it's something she can stick to.0 -
Sorry, I know I disagree with you all, but I do know what CICO is and I'm saying calories don't matter. It's insulin that matters. And carb diets and high protein diets keeps your insulin dumping and fat gaining.66
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Sorry, I know I disagree with you all, but I do know what CICO is and I'm saying calories don't matter. It's insulin that matters. And carb diets and high protein diets keeps your insulin dumping and fat gaining.
That's nonsense.
I lost 120 pounds using keto and lost right in line with my calorie deficit. Are you seriously telling me I would have lost all that weight eating at maintenance or in a surplus?14 -
Sorry, I know I disagree with you all, but I do know what CICO is and I'm saying calories don't matter. It's insulin that matters. And carb diets and high protein diets keeps your insulin dumping and fat gaining.
Oh, well in that case you’re just demonstrably wrong.
Physics doesn’t work that way, biology doesn’t work that way, and if you were right it would have been imposible for me to lose over 220 lb on a high carb diet. And yet, somehow those 220 lb are gone. Magic, or basic conservation of energy; you decide...
OP, ignore anyone who says that calories don’t matter. They’re not the only thing that matters, but they are the only thing that will affect your weight loss.28 -
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Sorry, I know I disagree with you all, but I do know what CICO is and I'm saying calories don't matter. It's insulin that matters. And carb diets and high protein diets keeps your insulin dumping and fat gaining.
You clearly don't understand how all this works. Insulin is the hormone that gets nutrients to the cells. Without it, you die. Diabetics??
Insulin can't make you gain weight unless you take in more energy than you burn. It can't cause your body to make fat from nothing cause insulin. That's just absurd.21 -
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I have not been disparaging to any of you.
RainWA - my answer is yes, from both research and anecdotally. Plus, I find it is hard to consume more than 3k in calories when doing high fat. Your satiation factors are screaming at you.
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I have not been disparaging to any of you.
RainWA - my answer is yes, from both research and anecdotally. Plus, I find it is hard to consume more than 3k in calories when doing high fat. Your satiation factors are screaming at you.
oh please, post the scientific research that backs up your fantasy views of how the body works.16 -
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I have not been disparaging to any of you.
RainWA - my answer is yes, from both research and anecdotally. Plus, I find it is hard to consume more than 3k in calories when doing high fat. Your satiation factors are screaming at you.
Okay - that is seriously funny. No, you are not going to lose weight eating at maintenance or in a surplus. That is just not how it works.
Keto was great for suppressing my appetite though.11 -
Here are a few. All 3 are from doctors. I am not eating a caloric deficit. I see others posting on MFP that they aren't either, while doing keto, and losing weight like crazy. My point in raising my viewpoint is that so many of us have tried the CICO and when we stall, it's 'hit the gym more' or 'eat less' and other things that make some of us feel even more miserable. If that works for you, go for it. But to be so dismissive and ugly just because someone points out there are other options is unnecessary. There are skinny people that develop T2 diabetes. There are people stalling who are eating 500 calories daily deficits. There are people eating to the heart's content on keto and losing weight without exercising and tracking calories. Those don't fit into the CICO model is all I'm saying.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC506782/
https://idmprogram.com/obesity-solving-the-two-compartment-problem/
https://www.dietdoctor.com/what-happens-if-you-eat-5800-calories-daily-on-an-lchf-diet32 -
If you are losing weight then you ARE eating in a caloric deficit, whether you are tracking calories or not.
EVERYONE does CICO because CICO is simply the equation describing the relationship between calories and weight.
CI>CO=Gain
CI<CO=Loss
CI=CO=Maintain
Stalls can be caused by water weight, hormones, inaccurate calculation/estimation of intake or output, and probably a few other things I'm omitting.
Not sure what T2D has to do with any of this.
There is no CICO model anymore than there is a gravity model. The fact that airplanes and birds can fly does not mean gravity doesn't apply to them.9 -
Here are a few. All 3 are from doctors. I am not eating a caloric deficit. I see others posting on MFP that they aren't either, while doing keto, and losing weight like crazy. My point in raising my viewpoint is that so many of us have tried the CICO and when we stall, it's 'hit the gym more' or 'eat less' and other things that make some of us feel even more miserable. If that works for you, go for it. But to be so dismissive and ugly just because someone points out there are other options is unnecessary. There are skinny people that develop T2 diabetes. There are people stalling who are eating 500 calories daily deficits. There are people eating to the heart's content on keto and losing weight without exercising and tracking calories. Those don't fit into the CICO model is all I'm saying.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC506782/
https://idmprogram.com/obesity-solving-the-two-compartment-problem/
https://www.dietdoctor.com/what-happens-if-you-eat-5800-calories-daily-on-an-lchf-diet
the first link is about thermic effect of macros not being equal.
second link author .. is anyone surprised... Dr Fung the laughing stock of the diet industry.
The dietdoctor link has zero science in it at all. the one link it has to a scientific summary wasnt even about the point it was linked for. Its tabloid trash.
Try again. you failed.16 -
Here are a few. All 3 are from doctors. I am not eating a caloric deficit. I see others posting on MFP that they aren't either, while doing keto, and losing weight like crazy. My point in raising my viewpoint is that so many of us have tried the CICO and when we stall, it's 'hit the gym more' or 'eat less' and other things that make some of us feel even more miserable. If that works for you, go for it. But to be so dismissive and ugly just because someone points out there are other options is unnecessary. There are skinny people that develop T2 diabetes. There are people stalling who are eating 500 calories daily deficits. There are people eating to the heart's content on keto and losing weight without exercising and tracking calories. Those don't fit into the CICO model is all I'm saying.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC506782/
https://idmprogram.com/obesity-solving-the-two-compartment-problem/
https://www.dietdoctor.com/what-happens-if-you-eat-5800-calories-daily-on-an-lchf-diet
That's not research.
Again, you don't "try" the CICO. You don't "try that newfangled gravity thingamajigg". Gravity and CICO simply exist. They're laws of physics. Your body's fat stores are nothing more than fuel to supply energy to your cells because as any child knows, every action needs an energy input, there are no perpetual motion machines. Every child also knows that energy can't be destroyed or created. Those two things everyone learns in high school or so lead to the unshakable conclusion that your body needs some sort of energy input to live and move. That comes from food and if there's a lack thereof, from your bodyfat. You simply, absolutely, positively, 100% without any shadow of doubt as clear as the world is not flat, are NOT able to be at a 500 calorie deficit and not lose weight.17 -
if high carb, higher protein diets caused insulin dumps and fat gain then I would have NEVER lost any weight or fat. I lost over 30 inches all over my body-12 from my waist,10 from my hips.6 from each thigh,4 from my bust, and other places that are hard to measure. I eat more than 200g of carbs most days and I eat over 120g of protein. on a good day its more than 150g. Ive lost 44lbs.I lost it eating in a deficit. I tried keto and lost only 6 lbs of water in the first week. then it slowed back down and I was still in a deficit. come to find out I have a health issue and cant process fats and cholesterol properly and it was making me really sick. keto made me hungry and wanting to eat everything in the house. good thing I didnt give in.9
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My point was. First week mainly water I do that on any diet. Week 2 was 1.5 pounds again that can be achieved on any diet. Is there a benefit to doing keto rather than calories but and out.
The benefits to keto are often:- Appetite suppression and reduced cravings
- Improved health - often insulin resistance related like T2D, PCOS, Alzheimer's, or CVD
- You like the food.
I find that I lose slightly faster when keto but it is not a huge amount more, and I have some IR so it makes sense that it works well for me.
You've lost a LOT already. Losing just one pound a week means that you have cut your calories 500 kcal a day below what you normally need to maintain. (1 pound is approximately 3500 kcal.) To lose 2 lbs a week you would need to be short about 1000 kcal a day. Because of this, losing more than a couple of pounds a week is pretty hard to achieve. About 1-2 lbs a week is a great rate of loss. Be patient.
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I'm not doing keto, but my daughter is doing it. She has lost 12-13 pounds in a bit over a month. I'm doing WW Freestyle and logging faithfully, as well as MFP weighing and logging. My weight loss is slower, but it is moving steadily downward. I don't care if it takes months or a couple of years. I think most programs will work, the trick is keeping the weight off and not experiencing a rebound weight gain.5
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I gave 100 to lose. Just finished week 2 of strict keto. I’ve tried every other diet. First week lost 7.5 pounds. Second week lost a little over one pound. I don’t see the huge differences everyone claims ... I need long term. Should I focus on keto or general eat good calories In calories out concept.
Honestly, you should eat the foods that make you satiated, that you enjoy eating and can sustain. If you can do that in a ketogenic diet, than great, but if you find the ketogenic diet too restrictive, doesn't satiate you, or doesn't meet your goals for exercise, than you can add back in some carbs. There is no advantage, outside of personal satiety, of a ketogenic advantage.
For those with medical conditions like diabetes, PCOS or insulin resistance, low carb and/or keto can be advantageous. For those who don't have those issues those or who are highly actives, a diet higher in carbs (especially whole plant based ones) are going to provide much greater benefit.
It always will come down to calories though. Now, things like more protein can increase energy output, and eating highly nutritious foods can give you more energy, allowing you to become more active and driving greater energy output, but it still comes down to calories.
Also, be patient. You are doing well.6
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