The Magic Pill - Netflix Doc
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I watched the magic pill last night after seeing this thread. I happen to agree with a few of the suggestions, such as getting rid of oils, dairy and sugar, and getting back to more of what we would find in nature. They also seem to draw a bunch of funky conclusions from the info. They spoke about flying over the US and seeing field upon field of commodity crops being grown and claimed the bad part of that is all the carbohydrates being produced. A large portion of that grain goes to feeding livestock! We could easily much of that space to grow food that is better for humans, such as fruit and vegetables.
I was happy to see them mention Joel Salatin. I don't eat meat, but i respect his sustainable way of producing it for those who still choose to eat it.
Oh, and everytime i hear Lierre Keith speak, i want to pull my hair out.15 -
Has anyone watched the Netflix doc “The Magic Pill”?
It’s a doc about the Keto diet and it’s anecdotal (it even uses the term anecdotal in the opening) health benefits. A very interesting and compelling documentary for sure. Albeit, I’m not jumping on the Keto train because of it haha.
Made me wonder who here has seen it (and what did you think)? And for those that follow a Keto diet do you do it for weight loss or for other supposed health benefits?
And the "Dr's" quoted aren't actual medical Dr's, they're authors who wrote books on how to keto. Conflict of interest much? You'll have to pry carbs out of my cold dead hands (since I'm too strong because of all the carbs I eat to be able to take them from me while I'm alive).15 -
joemac1988 wrote: »Has anyone watched the Netflix doc “The Magic Pill”?
It’s a doc about the Keto diet and it’s anecdotal (it even uses the term anecdotal in the opening) health benefits. A very interesting and compelling documentary for sure. Albeit, I’m not jumping on the Keto train because of it haha.
Made me wonder who here has seen it (and what did you think)? And for those that follow a Keto diet do you do it for weight loss or for other supposed health benefits?
And the "Dr's" quoted aren't actual medical Dr's, they're authors who wrote books on how to keto. Conflict of interest much? You'll have to pry carbs out of my cold dead hands (since I'm too strong because of all the carbs I eat to be able to take them from me while I'm alive).
No. They seem to be ph.d scientists or medical doctors. There is Nina Teicholz (spelling?) who is an author, and then there is another journalist talking about the Dr Tim Noakes trial... I may have forgotten someone. Who called themselves a doctor but wasn't?
Really, the carbs they are talking about in the film were highly processed and refined carbs. People were still eating veggies and some fruits. No one advocated removing those from a diet.5 -
joemac1988 wrote: »Has anyone watched the Netflix doc “The Magic Pill”?
It’s a doc about the Keto diet and it’s anecdotal (it even uses the term anecdotal in the opening) health benefits. A very interesting and compelling documentary for sure. Albeit, I’m not jumping on the Keto train because of it haha.
Made me wonder who here has seen it (and what did you think)? And for those that follow a Keto diet do you do it for weight loss or for other supposed health benefits?
And the "Dr's" quoted aren't actual medical Dr's, they're authors who wrote books on how to keto. Conflict of interest much? You'll have to pry carbs out of my cold dead hands (since I'm too strong because of all the carbs I eat to be able to take them from me while I'm alive).
No. They seem to be ph.d scientists or medical doctors. There is Nina Teicholz (spelling?) who is an author, and then there is another journalist talking about the Dr Tim Noakes trial... I may have forgotten someone. Who called themselves a doctor but wasn't?
Really, the carbs they are talking about in the film were highly processed and refined carbs. People were still eating veggies and some fruits. No one advocated removing those from a diet.
Nina Teicholz is a journalist with no medical training what so ever...her educational background is undergrad in American Studies and a masters in Latin American studies....5 -
joemac1988 wrote: »Has anyone watched the Netflix doc “The Magic Pill”?
It’s a doc about the Keto diet and it’s anecdotal (it even uses the term anecdotal in the opening) health benefits. A very interesting and compelling documentary for sure. Albeit, I’m not jumping on the Keto train because of it haha.
Made me wonder who here has seen it (and what did you think)? And for those that follow a Keto diet do you do it for weight loss or for other supposed health benefits?
And the "Dr's" quoted aren't actual medical Dr's, they're authors who wrote books on how to keto. Conflict of interest much? You'll have to pry carbs out of my cold dead hands (since I'm too strong because of all the carbs I eat to be able to take them from me while I'm alive).
No. They seem to be ph.d scientists or medical doctors. There is Nina Teicholz (spelling?) who is an author, and then there is another journalist talking about the Dr Tim Noakes trial... I may have forgotten someone. Who called themselves a doctor but wasn't?
Really, the carbs they are talking about in the film were highly processed and refined carbs. People were still eating veggies and some fruits. No one advocated removing those from a diet.
People on keto typically have to limit their consumption of vegetables and fruits though and they're often avoiding or limiting even non-processed and refined carbohydrates like whole grains and beans. So if eating a higher level of carbohydrates is something that one finds useful or pleasant for satiety, reaching specific fitness goals, or enjoying how they taste, keto might not be the best fit.
That you can have some fruits and vegetables on keto doesn't change the fact that it's way too low for some of us to find pleasant, sustainable, or useful for fitness.9 -
I'm into facts; that's why i like them.25 -
joemac1988 wrote: »Has anyone watched the Netflix doc “The Magic Pill”?
It’s a doc about the Keto diet and it’s anecdotal (it even uses the term anecdotal in the opening) health benefits. A very interesting and compelling documentary for sure. Albeit, I’m not jumping on the Keto train because of it haha.
Made me wonder who here has seen it (and what did you think)? And for those that follow a Keto diet do you do it for weight loss or for other supposed health benefits?
And the "Dr's" quoted aren't actual medical Dr's, they're authors who wrote books on how to keto. Conflict of interest much? You'll have to pry carbs out of my cold dead hands (since I'm too strong because of all the carbs I eat to be able to take them from me while I'm alive).
and dairy. you can't have my dairy
or meat.
you can't have my food, period2 -
I'm into facts; that's why i like them.
So you mean "facts" like in What The Health, where they compare cooking meat to frying a pan full of cigarettes. Got it.13 -
janejellyroll wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Has anyone watched the Netflix doc “The Magic Pill”?
It’s a doc about the Keto diet and it’s anecdotal (it even uses the term anecdotal in the opening) health benefits. A very interesting and compelling documentary for sure. Albeit, I’m not jumping on the Keto train because of it haha.
Made me wonder who here has seen it (and what did you think)? And for those that follow a Keto diet do you do it for weight loss or for other supposed health benefits?
And the "Dr's" quoted aren't actual medical Dr's, they're authors who wrote books on how to keto. Conflict of interest much? You'll have to pry carbs out of my cold dead hands (since I'm too strong because of all the carbs I eat to be able to take them from me while I'm alive).
No. They seem to be ph.d scientists or medical doctors. There is Nina Teicholz (spelling?) who is an author, and then there is another journalist talking about the Dr Tim Noakes trial... I may have forgotten someone. Who called themselves a doctor but wasn't?
Really, the carbs they are talking about in the film were highly processed and refined carbs. People were still eating veggies and some fruits. No one advocated removing those from a diet.
People on keto typically have to limit their consumption of vegetables and fruits though and they're often avoiding or limiting even non-processed and refined carbohydrates like whole grains and beans. So if eating a higher level of carbohydrates is something that one finds useful or pleasant for satiety, reaching specific fitness goals, or enjoying how they taste, keto might not be the best fit.
That you can have some fruits and vegetables on keto doesn't change the fact that it's way too low for some of us to find pleasant, sustainable, or useful for fitness.
The elimination of beans and legumes I found to be the most bizarre. Since I’ve been trying to eat a bit healthier I’ve found so many amazing recipes using beans and legumes and couldn’t imagine cutting them out. I also imagine going Keto would be next to impossible if you were a vegetarian.
Also, apologies if this post is ridiculously long - quoting on mobile app is still a skill that eludes me!1 -
Documentaries in general, not just those on Netflix, are created because someone wants to look into a subject. Often what happens is they end up bringing in their own bias and the information is all skewed to a specific view point. Documentaries should not be the end all be all of information. They are not bad per say, but they should be taking with a grain of salt and the viewer should do additional research to find out the WHOLE story, not just the story they want you to see.
This is true. They should encourage the viewer to deeper thought and research. The problem is that too many people are watching these documentaries, taking them at face value,
declaring they've seen the light, and running around spreading often one sided opinion as gospel.9 -
I really wish there would be a documentary on Dihydrogen monoxide and it's beneficial, but sometimes lethal effects.14
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Opening people’s eyes to contemplate food choices and the benefits of eating whole food over processed junk is a good thing. That’s really the only positive thing I have to say about it.11
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I view documentaries like this the same way I view most health documentaries: it's going to be full of positive stories about people who had something improve on the diet.
The thing is, you can find these same stories about every type of diet that isn't killing people, you know? The only deciding factor is what body you have, and what health issues you have.
Diabetic - low carb. Phenylketonuria - super low protein diet. Celiac or chronic lyme disease - gluten free diet (or grain free seems to be better, in some cases). Gall bladder issues - a super low fat diet. And as has been said, some conditions (which were in the movie), are known to improve on a keto diet. Which is why it was invented (I think someone said that, too). :-)
And the thing is, these diets ARE amazing for helping people. People who need them do fabulously better on these diets. But the problem I see with documentaries like this is that they often imply that because SOME people have such amazing improvement on a particular diet, EVERYONE would see improvement as well.
That's kind of like saying that because a person with a broken leg had such great improvement in their mobility using crutches, that EVERYONE should use crutches so their mobility can improve, too. It's a logical fallacy, you know?6 -
Not going to argue or debate but the ketogenic diet was not invented for those with epilepsy (or any other medical condition) which has kinda sorta been mentioned twice in this thread. The ketogenic diet has been around at least since the 1860s and was popularized at that time by an obese undertaker named William Banting. The diet was suggested to him by an unnamed physician (See Letter on Corpulence).
Fasting was used for epilepsy as far back as ancient Greek times. The more routine use of a ketogenic diet for epilepsy began sometime around the 1920s since it is considered to mimic fasting and deemed more practical than fasting every day of one's life
and have better adherence.
Carry on.4 -
I'm into facts; that's why i like them.
Interesting, since some of those directly contradict each other. I didn't know facts could do that.8 -
deannalfisher wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Has anyone watched the Netflix doc “The Magic Pill”?
It’s a doc about the Keto diet and it’s anecdotal (it even uses the term anecdotal in the opening) health benefits. A very interesting and compelling documentary for sure. Albeit, I’m not jumping on the Keto train because of it haha.
Made me wonder who here has seen it (and what did you think)? And for those that follow a Keto diet do you do it for weight loss or for other supposed health benefits?
And the "Dr's" quoted aren't actual medical Dr's, they're authors who wrote books on how to keto. Conflict of interest much? You'll have to pry carbs out of my cold dead hands (since I'm too strong because of all the carbs I eat to be able to take them from me while I'm alive).
No. They seem to be ph.d scientists or medical doctors. There is Nina Teicholz (spelling?) who is an author, and then there is another journalist talking about the Dr Tim Noakes trial... I may have forgotten someone. Who called themselves a doctor but wasn't?
Really, the carbs they are talking about in the film were highly processed and refined carbs. People were still eating veggies and some fruits. No one advocated removing those from a diet.
Nina Teicholz is a journalist with no medical training what so ever...her educational background is undergrad in American Studies and a masters in Latin American studies....
Yes, she's a writer. Her book Big Fat Surprise was quite good.janejellyroll wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Has anyone watched the Netflix doc “The Magic Pill”?
It’s a doc about the Keto diet and it’s anecdotal (it even uses the term anecdotal in the opening) health benefits. A very interesting and compelling documentary for sure. Albeit, I’m not jumping on the Keto train because of it haha.
Made me wonder who here has seen it (and what did you think)? And for those that follow a Keto diet do you do it for weight loss or for other supposed health benefits?
And the "Dr's" quoted aren't actual medical Dr's, they're authors who wrote books on how to keto. Conflict of interest much? You'll have to pry carbs out of my cold dead hands (since I'm too strong because of all the carbs I eat to be able to take them from me while I'm alive).
No. They seem to be ph.d scientists or medical doctors. There is Nina Teicholz (spelling?) who is an author, and then there is another journalist talking about the Dr Tim Noakes trial... I may have forgotten someone. Who called themselves a doctor but wasn't?
Really, the carbs they are talking about in the film were highly processed and refined carbs. People were still eating veggies and some fruits. No one advocated removing those from a diet.
People on keto typically have to limit their consumption of vegetables and fruits though and they're often avoiding or limiting even non-processed and refined carbohydrates like whole grains and beans. So if eating a higher level of carbohydrates is something that one finds useful or pleasant for satiety, reaching specific fitness goals, or enjoying how they taste, keto might not be the best fit.
That you can have some fruits and vegetables on keto doesn't change the fact that it's way too low for some of us to find pleasant, sustainable, or useful for fitness.
True. For many keto'ers they have no drop in vegetable consumption after dropping carbs because the bulk of their previous carbs were composed of breads, muffins, crackers, wraps, noodles, rice, sweets, some sweetened dairy products, etc. TBH, I think it is more the norm that someone who switches to keto is NOT reducing veggies and fruits; they may even be increasing it. Perhaps it is because those who are already eating a lot of whole veggies and fruits have less of a need for the health or appetite suppressing effects of keto since their diet is already quite healthful?9 -
I'm sure it would work but it's not for me. I'm trying to change my lifestyle and I know for sure if I was able to do it for a short time it would be just that, a short time. Good luck1
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tropicalchicy wrote: »Not everybody thinks so highly of it: https://synapses.co.za/the-magic-pill-pete-evans-does-documentary/
Netflix "documentaries" are nothing but one-sided hack job propaganda pieces full of hype, fearmongering and pseudoscience. And this one is no exception.
I saw Pete Evens and immediately put it on my do not watch list.
I avoid anything by/promoted by the same "quack" who publishes recipes for paleo baby formula (which is actually harmful due to high levels of vitamin A in bone broth) and discourages the use of suncreen in a country with one of the highest rates of skin cancer in the world.
Okay rant over, feeling much better now
There was even talk of banning this in Australia because of the health risks it could cause. Paleo Pete is a celebrity chef and knows SAT about proper nutrition and science except for a bit of an online course somewhere.4
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