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That Keto is so hot right now
BrunetteRunner87
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I was just saying to my husband that I wish this Keto craze would end already. I feel like half the posts on here are about it, I have about 20 facebook friends constantly talking about it, and 65% of the news stories Google sends me about health are keto-related. (And I don't think a lot of people who say they're doing keto actually know what it is, but that's a different discussion). I guess if it really works for someone, great, but I think a lot of people talk about it and try it without actually knowing what it is and that it's not sustainable for many people for long. Mostly I'm tired of it clogging up my feed!
I know that when I first started MFP several years ago, there weren't really any discussions about keto. But there was probably another popular diet...I remember Atkins and South Beach were all the rage for a while, and in the 90s you had low fat diets.
So, do you think keto is just a craze, or is it here to stay? What new diet do you think it will be replaced with next? I'm also interested in a trip down memory lane to discuss popular diets from back in the day, when they phased out, and whether they ever came back into popularity.
I know that when I first started MFP several years ago, there weren't really any discussions about keto. But there was probably another popular diet...I remember Atkins and South Beach were all the rage for a while, and in the 90s you had low fat diets.
So, do you think keto is just a craze, or is it here to stay? What new diet do you think it will be replaced with next? I'm also interested in a trip down memory lane to discuss popular diets from back in the day, when they phased out, and whether they ever came back into popularity.
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I just hope the spike in low-carb popularity causes the price of poptarts, cereal, bagels, pasta etc to go down. At 400g a day, I spend a fortune lol35
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You are sick of all the posts on here about Keto, so you create a new post about Keto? Seems logical...80
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I tried keto for 6 weeks a couple years back and I was miserable and constipated. As for other diets I've tried them all, liver clense, colon clense, south beach, cayenne n lemon juice, mediterranian. I guess now I'm doing my version of CICO where I pay most attention to my daily fiber intake and the balance between soluble and insoluble fiber.12
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I am content to live and let live on plans for losing weight.
In the end most of them come down to eating fewer calories. (If you avoid fat -you reduce calories; if you only eat for 1 hour a day - you reduce the number of calories you can pack in; if you eat a miracle diet week plan created by a bored magazine article writer - you reduce calories; if you only eat high-fibre food, you get full more quickly and eat fewer calories; if you only eat very expensive/rare foods, your bank-balance reduces and you have to eat fewer calories; if you don't eat pasta/bread/rice/sugar/grains then you have less to put on your plate and reduce calories.)
Losing weight is tough and most things that make the way a little easier are fine. I think that changing plan is like moving a heavy suitcase from one hand to the other. It doesn't change the labour of carrying the thing... but it feels as if it does and helps you go on for longer.
Change keeps you interested and it helps. The more extreme things don't usually last for more than a few weeks as most normal folk get bored or hungry!23 -
I don't care for keto and wouldn't do it personally because I don't see why I should limit my food choice. To me, keto is just a tool like any other diet. The only thing I do wish would go away is people saying bad information concerning carbs and sugar. People lay too much blame and fear on one macro which is ridiculous. These are the people that need to be called out for, not the people who do keto just because they enjoy the diet and understands CICO.16
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I personally don't care for keto because it isn't sustainable for me. I think low carb can be a great option for certain people with certain medical conditions though. Thankfully that's not me.
There's a lot of people that make it out to be something it isn't. They make all these magical claims that aren't true so the ignorant get sucked in, Just like any dieting craze. They claim it cures every ailment under the sun and claim you don't even have to create a calorie deficit in order to lose weight which is not true at all.
In order to lose weight one must create a calorie deficit. If keto helps them achieve that deficit then fine but it isn't magical. Weight loss- calorie deficit.
There's a lot of people who get so sucked in that they start to look at it more like a religion rather than a way of eating. They truly believe all the hype and spread that misinformation around like wildfire. It's harmful to this community because there's so many people who are just starting out and do not know any better yet.
I could care less what other people eat or what they don't eat. What I do care about is polluting the ignorant masses with misinformation, it's just wrong.22 -
BrunetteRunner87 wrote: »I was just saying to my husband that I wish this Keto craze would end already. I feel like half the posts on here are about it, I have about 20 facebook friends constantly talking about it, and 65% of the news stories Google sends me about health are keto-related. (And I don't think a lot of people who say they're doing keto actually know what it is, but that's a different discussion). I guess if it really works for someone, great, but I think a lot of people talk about it and try it without actually knowing what it is and that it's not sustainable for many people for long. Mostly I'm tired of it clogging up my feed!
I know that when I first started MFP several years ago, there weren't really any discussions about keto. But there was probably another popular diet...I remember Atkins and South Beach were all the rage for a while, and in the 90s you had low fat diets.
So, do you think keto is just a craze, or is it here to stay? What new diet do you think it will be replaced with next? I'm also interested in a trip down memory lane to discuss popular diets from back in the day, when they phased out, and whether they ever came back into popularity.
Diet fads come and go and I don't think keto is the exception to that. Facebook annoys me the most...at least here, most people have some knowledge but keto people tend to be complete nutrition morons on Facebook...going on an on about how things like tomatoes are really bad for you and whatnot. It's insanity.13 -
It will die down. I think low fat and lean foods will not regain their dominant foothold in popular diets, nor do I think keto will stay so popular.
I think part of keto'e popularity is that people are excited to have permission to eat fat again after it was demonized for decades. The pendulum has swung too far if whole food carbs, like vegetables and fruits, are declared bad for everyone, but that will settle out in a year or so. IMO
Other reasons I think it's so popular:
1. Most people find fat (and protein) satiating.
2. Carb cravings are reduced
3. If improves conditions related to insulin resistance like T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD, Alzheimer's, CVD; as well as some neurological problems.
4. Steadier energy from steadier BG
5. Improved lipid panels for most.
6. Possible gastrointestinal improvements or for other symptoms like migraines
7. Better skin and hair
8. It has been shown to be just as effective as any weight loss diet, and slightly better in those with IR.
9. Sustainability is just as good, if not better, than some other diets like low fat
10. It is quite complimentary to popular IF due to appetite suppression
11. Bacon
Of course, these points are not true for everyone, just like for any other diet.
Happily, keto is usually a healthy diet and will not do harm to the vast majority. Sort of like the Mediterranean diet fad. It won't hurt most people to try it.
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I think part of keto'e popularity is that people are excited to have permission to eat fat again after it was demonized for decades. The pendulum has swung too far if whole food carbs, like vegetables and fruits, are declared bad for everyone, but that will settle out in a year or so. IMO
I disagree, many do keto based on what they heard. How many times I hear that "I have to cut out carbs to lose weight" or "carbs are no good for you". Many do keto based on fear they hear about carbs, many are not well informed on the subject and think the reason they got big in the first place is because they ate too many carbs. Since there is a keto fad going on, it doesn't help that there snake oil salesmen who add fuel to the fire by spouting more non sense (Taubes and Dr Fung come in mind).
Thankfully not everyone who does keto are ignorant on the carbs subject, there are few who do it simply because they just enjoy that type of diet and they still understand that it's all about CICO.
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I think part of keto'e popularity is that people are excited to have permission to eat fat again after it was demonized for decades. The pendulum has swung too far if whole food carbs, like vegetables and fruits, are declared bad for everyone, but that will settle out in a year or so. IMO
I disagree, many do keto based on what they heard. How many times I hear that "I have to cut carbs to lose weight" or "carbs are no good for you". Many do keto based on fear they hear about carbs, many are not well informed on the subject and think the reason they got big in the first place is because they ate too many carbs. Since there is a keto fad going on, it doesn't help that there snake oil salesmen who add fuel to the fire by spouting more non sense (Taubes and Dr Fung come in mind).
Thankfully not everyone who does keto are ignorant on the carbs subject, there are few who do it simply because they just enjoy that type of diet and they still understand that it's all about CICO.
There was a post just the other day from a person who was trying keto, not enjoying it, and asking how to get over the "misinformation" that vegetables were good for them.
Not everyone doing keto falls into this group, but I do notice more posts from people who have been taught to fear foods like vegetables or think that having some rice is going to make them deathly ill.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I think part of keto'e popularity is that people are excited to have permission to eat fat again after it was demonized for decades. The pendulum has swung too far if whole food carbs, like vegetables and fruits, are declared bad for everyone, but that will settle out in a year or so. IMO
I disagree, many do keto based on what they heard. How many times I hear that "I have to cut carbs to lose weight" or "carbs are no good for you". Many do keto based on fear they hear about carbs, many are not well informed on the subject and think the reason they got big in the first place is because they ate too many carbs. Since there is a keto fad going on, it doesn't help that there snake oil salesmen who add fuel to the fire by spouting more non sense (Taubes and Dr Fung come in mind).
Thankfully not everyone who does keto are ignorant on the carbs subject, there are few who do it simply because they just enjoy that type of diet and they still understand that it's all about CICO.
There was a post just the other day from a person who was trying keto, not enjoying it, and asking how to get over the "misinformation" that vegetables were good for them.
Not everyone doing keto falls into this group, but I do notice more posts from people who have been taught to fear foods like vegetables or think that having some rice is going to make them deathly ill.
There's a post going on in the "General, Health and Fitness" forum where someone asks "How much carbs do you consume in a day?", you have one who replied "These weight lifters are blacking me out with their 300g a day lol I'm just working on losing weight and I eat about 60-80 carbs a day. " ....it's that type of fear towards carbs I do not like, not keto itself. Too many stay in the dark when it comes to knowing how to lose weight and I find it sad, because some of them do keto by default just because of that misinformation and not because they necessarily enjoy that diet.
I see that a lot at work too. How many times I get criticized by my colleagues for eating a donut (that's one example), yet a donut is only 250 calories and represents a tiny percentage of my calories throughout the day. Yet people believe I am ruining my cut because of that one donut.9 -
I think part of keto'e popularity is that people are excited to have permission to eat fat again after it was demonized for decades. The pendulum has swung too far if whole food carbs, like vegetables and fruits, are declared bad for everyone, but that will settle out in a year or so. IMO
I disagree, many do keto based on what they heard. How many times I hear that "I have to cut out carbs to lose weight" or "carbs are no good for you". Many do keto based on fear they hear about carbs, many are not well informed on the subject and think the reason they got big in the first place is because they ate too many carbs. Since there is a keto fad going on, it doesn't help that there snake oil salesmen who add fuel to the fire by spouting more non sense (Taubes and Dr Fung come in mind).
Thankfully not everyone who does keto are ignorant on the carbs subject, there are few who do it simply because they just enjoy that type of diet and they still understand that it's all about CICO.
Perhaps I know people better educated on this topic than you do.
There's always going to be misinformed people who eat just bananas or grapefruit or think ACV or veganism will cause weight loss. Of course there will be those misinformed about keto. Since keto has grown in popularity, some of the dietary ignorant have moved over to try it instead of the more typical moderation and lean foods diets. This doesn't mean that keto'ers are misinformed as a group, rather that more of the misinformed are trying keto.
Plus people generalize. IMO, there are carbs that are not very good for you compared to other whole food carbs. I don't think noodles or jujubes or soda are as good for you are an dish of roasted vegetables of identical calories. I think people often think of carbs as things like baked goods and added sugars, rather than vegetables and fruits.
Fung's is a snake oil salesman? Like Ornish,Pritikin, Atkins,Dukkan and every other doctor who wrote a book about the diets they are successfully using to treat their patients?
Taubes is just a journalist who dared to hypothesize and can't prove himself right. His writing is accurate though.29 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I think part of keto'e popularity is that people are excited to have permission to eat fat again after it was demonized for decades. The pendulum has swung too far if whole food carbs, like vegetables and fruits, are declared bad for everyone, but that will settle out in a year or so. IMO
I disagree, many do keto based on what they heard. How many times I hear that "I have to cut carbs to lose weight" or "carbs are no good for you". Many do keto based on fear they hear about carbs, many are not well informed on the subject and think the reason they got big in the first place is because they ate too many carbs. Since there is a keto fad going on, it doesn't help that there snake oil salesmen who add fuel to the fire by spouting more non sense (Taubes and Dr Fung come in mind).
Thankfully not everyone who does keto are ignorant on the carbs subject, there are few who do it simply because they just enjoy that type of diet and they still understand that it's all about CICO.
There was a post just the other day from a person who was trying keto, not enjoying it, and asking how to get over the "misinformation" that vegetables were good for them.
Not everyone doing keto falls into this group, but I do notice more posts from people who have been taught to fear foods like vegetables or think that having some rice is going to make them deathly ill.janejellyroll wrote: »I think part of keto'e popularity is that people are excited to have permission to eat fat again after it was demonized for decades. The pendulum has swung too far if whole food carbs, like vegetables and fruits, are declared bad for everyone, but that will settle out in a year or so. IMO
I disagree, many do keto based on what they heard. How many times I hear that "I have to cut carbs to lose weight" or "carbs are no good for you". Many do keto based on fear they hear about carbs, many are not well informed on the subject and think the reason they got big in the first place is because they ate too many carbs. Since there is a keto fad going on, it doesn't help that there snake oil salesmen who add fuel to the fire by spouting more non sense (Taubes and Dr Fung come in mind).
Thankfully not everyone who does keto are ignorant on the carbs subject, there are few who do it simply because they just enjoy that type of diet and they still understand that it's all about CICO.
There was a post just the other day from a person who was trying keto, not enjoying it, and asking how to get over the "misinformation" that vegetables were good for them.
Not everyone doing keto falls into this group, but I do notice more posts from people who have been taught to fear foods like vegetables or think that having some rice is going to make them deathly ill.
Hopefully they were corrected.1 -
Let me tell you about my personal experience with Keto.
About two months ago we started a biggest loser challenge at work. Pretty much everyone but me decided that they were going to do keto. *cue eyeroll*
I said to them. "Listen. I've done this before." (I lost 90lbs and got to my goal weight about 6 years ago. I gained it back because stress and depression got in the way.)
"As bad as I want to win I'll let you know the 'secret' to losing weight. You don't have to do keto. Just count your calories."
I directed them to MFP. I told them low carb is not sustainable, especially when we work in a restaurant that has AMAZING Yeast rolls. None of them listened.
Our final weigh in is next week. We've been doing weigh ins in between.
I've been in the lead since week 1.
Only one person is even close to me and that's because on top of keto she's also basically starving herself and going to the gym every day.
But whatever. Next week i'll be 200$ richer and it's not like I didn't warn them.28 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I think part of keto'e popularity is that people are excited to have permission to eat fat again after it was demonized for decades. The pendulum has swung too far if whole food carbs, like vegetables and fruits, are declared bad for everyone, but that will settle out in a year or so. IMO
I disagree, many do keto based on what they heard. How many times I hear that "I have to cut carbs to lose weight" or "carbs are no good for you". Many do keto based on fear they hear about carbs, many are not well informed on the subject and think the reason they got big in the first place is because they ate too many carbs. Since there is a keto fad going on, it doesn't help that there snake oil salesmen who add fuel to the fire by spouting more non sense (Taubes and Dr Fung come in mind).
Thankfully not everyone who does keto are ignorant on the carbs subject, there are few who do it simply because they just enjoy that type of diet and they still understand that it's all about CICO.
There was a post just the other day from a person who was trying keto, not enjoying it, and asking how to get over the "misinformation" that vegetables were good for them.
Not everyone doing keto falls into this group, but I do notice more posts from people who have been taught to fear foods like vegetables or think that having some rice is going to make them deathly ill.
There's a post going on in the "General, Health and Fitness" forum where someone asks "How much carbs do you consume in a day?", you have one who replied "These weight lifters are blacking me out with their 300g a day lol I'm just working on losing weight and I eat about 60-80 carbs a day. " ....it's that type of fear towards carbs I do not like, not keto itself. Too many stay in the dark when it comes to knowing how to lose weight and I find it sad, because some of them do keto by default just because of that misinformation and not because they necessarily enjoy that diet.
I see that a lot at work too. How many times I get criticized by my colleagues for eating a donut (that's one example), yet a donut is only 250 calories and represents a tiny percentage of my calories throughout the day. Yet people believe I am ruining my cut because of that one donut.
I get a lot of posts from Delish on Facebook...lately, many (though not all) are low carb recipes...sometimes they are also keto friendly, but not all of them...the commenters on those posts go bat *kitten* crazy because it says low carb but they don't understand that you can be low carb and not be keto...it's all keto or nothing.
There was a post this morning about a stuffed tomato with typical taco stuffing...I commented that it looked pretty good and I might try it and this lady went off on me on how bad tomatoes are for you and that eating vegetables in general would spike the insulinz and nobody could lose weight eating vegetables.
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LouisTamsi wrote: »I tried keto for 6 weeks a couple years back and I was miserable and constipated. As for other diets I've tried them all, liver clense, colon clense, south beach, cayenne n lemon juice, mediterranian. I guess now I'm doing my version of CICO where I pay most attention to my daily fiber intake and the balance between soluble and insoluble fiber.
thoe only ones that are diets are the south beach and the mediterranean. all diets follow CICO(its just an energy blaance) those cleanses arent really diets though. I had the same issue with keto5 -
I think part of keto'e popularity is that people are excited to have permission to eat fat again after it was demonized for decades. The pendulum has swung too far if whole food carbs, like vegetables and fruits, are declared bad for everyone, but that will settle out in a year or so. IMO
I disagree, many do keto based on what they heard. How many times I hear that "I have to cut out carbs to lose weight" or "carbs are no good for you". Many do keto based on fear they hear about carbs, many are not well informed on the subject and think the reason they got big in the first place is because they ate too many carbs. Since there is a keto fad going on, it doesn't help that there snake oil salesmen who add fuel to the fire by spouting more non sense (Taubes and Dr Fung come in mind).
Thankfully not everyone who does keto are ignorant on the carbs subject, there are few who do it simply because they just enjoy that type of diet and they still understand that it's all about CICO.
Perhaps I know people better educated on this topic than you do.
There's always going to be misinformed people who eat just bananas or grapefruit or think ACV or veganism will cause weight loss. Of course there will be those misinformed about keto. Since keto has grown in popularity, some of the dietary ignorant have moved over to try it instead of the more typical moderation and lean foods diets. This doesn't mean that keto'ers are misinformed as a group, rather that more of the misinformed are trying keto.
Plus people generalize. IMO, there are carbs that are not very good for you compared to other whole food carbs. I don't think noodles or jujubes or soda are as good for you are an dish of roasted vegetables of identical calories. I think people often think of carbs as things like baked goods and added sugars, rather than vegetables and fruits.
Fung's is a snake oil salesman? Like Ornish,Pritikin, Atkins,Dukkan and every other doctor who wrote a book about the diets they are successfully using to treat their patients?
Taubes is just a journalist who dared to hypothesize and can't prove himself right. His writing is accurate though.
How can we call his writing accurate if his claims can't be proven?17 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I think part of keto'e popularity is that people are excited to have permission to eat fat again after it was demonized for decades. The pendulum has swung too far if whole food carbs, like vegetables and fruits, are declared bad for everyone, but that will settle out in a year or so. IMO
I disagree, many do keto based on what they heard. How many times I hear that "I have to cut carbs to lose weight" or "carbs are no good for you". Many do keto based on fear they hear about carbs, many are not well informed on the subject and think the reason they got big in the first place is because they ate too many carbs. Since there is a keto fad going on, it doesn't help that there snake oil salesmen who add fuel to the fire by spouting more non sense (Taubes and Dr Fung come in mind).
Thankfully not everyone who does keto are ignorant on the carbs subject, there are few who do it simply because they just enjoy that type of diet and they still understand that it's all about CICO.
There was a post just the other day from a person who was trying keto, not enjoying it, and asking how to get over the "misinformation" that vegetables were good for them.
Not everyone doing keto falls into this group, but I do notice more posts from people who have been taught to fear foods like vegetables or think that having some rice is going to make them deathly ill.janejellyroll wrote: »I think part of keto'e popularity is that people are excited to have permission to eat fat again after it was demonized for decades. The pendulum has swung too far if whole food carbs, like vegetables and fruits, are declared bad for everyone, but that will settle out in a year or so. IMO
I disagree, many do keto based on what they heard. How many times I hear that "I have to cut carbs to lose weight" or "carbs are no good for you". Many do keto based on fear they hear about carbs, many are not well informed on the subject and think the reason they got big in the first place is because they ate too many carbs. Since there is a keto fad going on, it doesn't help that there snake oil salesmen who add fuel to the fire by spouting more non sense (Taubes and Dr Fung come in mind).
Thankfully not everyone who does keto are ignorant on the carbs subject, there are few who do it simply because they just enjoy that type of diet and they still understand that it's all about CICO.
There was a post just the other day from a person who was trying keto, not enjoying it, and asking how to get over the "misinformation" that vegetables were good for them.
Not everyone doing keto falls into this group, but I do notice more posts from people who have been taught to fear foods like vegetables or think that having some rice is going to make them deathly ill.
Hopefully they were corrected.
I'm not sure if it got through, but people did point out that vegetables weren't dangerous.2 -
I think part of keto'e popularity is that people are excited to have permission to eat fat again after it was demonized for decades. The pendulum has swung too far if whole food carbs, like vegetables and fruits, are declared bad for everyone, but that will settle out in a year or so. IMO
I disagree, many do keto based on what they heard. How many times I hear that "I have to cut out carbs to lose weight" or "carbs are no good for you". Many do keto based on fear they hear about carbs, many are not well informed on the subject and think the reason they got big in the first place is because they ate too many carbs. Since there is a keto fad going on, it doesn't help that there snake oil salesmen who add fuel to the fire by spouting more non sense (Taubes and Dr Fung come in mind).
Thankfully not everyone who does keto are ignorant on the carbs subject, there are few who do it simply because they just enjoy that type of diet and they still understand that it's all about CICO.
There's always going to be misinformed people who eat just bananas or grapefruit or think ACV or veganism will cause weight loss. Of course there will be those misinformed about keto. Since keto has grown in popularity, some of the dietary ignorant have moved over to try it instead of the more typical moderation and lean foods diets. This doesn't mean that keto'ers are misinformed as a group, rather that more of the misinformed are trying keto.
Well we don't have data to know how many people who do keto are misinformed and which ones are informed. However, when you go around the forums, they are not hard to spot. My beef is not towards those who do keto while having the right information in hand, my beef is with those who spread the lies about carbs and other myths regarding that. Just like I wouldn't hesitate to call out someone who says "eating a banana will cause you to lose weight". But since keto is popular right now, you will definitely get a lot of bad carbs information, much more than anything else because the keto community is the largest diet community group on mfp. In other words, the pool is much bigger, therefore you are more likely to encounter some bad fish.3 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »thoe only ones that are diets are the south beach and the mediterranean. all diets follow CICO(its just an energy blaance) those cleanses arent really diets though. I had the same issue with keto
Yes true, cleanses were the in thing a few years back.
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Let me tell you about my personal experience with Keto.
About two months ago we started a biggest loser challenge at work. Pretty much everyone but me decided that they were going to do keto. *cue eyeroll*
I said to them. "Listen. I've done this before." (I lost 90lbs and got to my goal weight about 6 years ago. I gained it back because stress and depression got in the way.)
"As bad as I want to win I'll let you know the 'secret' to losing weight. You don't have to do keto. Just count your calories."
I directed them to MFP. I told them low carb is not sustainable, especially when we work in a restaurant that has AMAZING Yeast rolls. None of them listened.
Our final weigh in is next week. We've been doing weigh ins in between.
I've been in the lead since week 1.
Only one person is even close to me and that's because on top of keto she's also basically starving herself and going to the gym every day.
But whatever. Next week i'll be 200$ richer and it's not like I didn't warn them.
If you are losing weight faster, are you starving yourself and going to the gym everyday too?17 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I think part of keto'e popularity is that people are excited to have permission to eat fat again after it was demonized for decades. The pendulum has swung too far if whole food carbs, like vegetables and fruits, are declared bad for everyone, but that will settle out in a year or so. IMO
I disagree, many do keto based on what they heard. How many times I hear that "I have to cut out carbs to lose weight" or "carbs are no good for you". Many do keto based on fear they hear about carbs, many are not well informed on the subject and think the reason they got big in the first place is because they ate too many carbs. Since there is a keto fad going on, it doesn't help that there snake oil salesmen who add fuel to the fire by spouting more non sense (Taubes and Dr Fung come in mind).
Thankfully not everyone who does keto are ignorant on the carbs subject, there are few who do it simply because they just enjoy that type of diet and they still understand that it's all about CICO.
Perhaps I know people better educated on this topic than you do.
There's always going to be misinformed people who eat just bananas or grapefruit or think ACV or veganism will cause weight loss. Of course there will be those misinformed about keto. Since keto has grown in popularity, some of the dietary ignorant have moved over to try it instead of the more typical moderation and lean foods diets. This doesn't mean that keto'ers are misinformed as a group, rather that more of the misinformed are trying keto.
Plus people generalize. IMO, there are carbs that are not very good for you compared to other whole food carbs. I don't think noodles or jujubes or soda are as good for you are an dish of roasted vegetables of identical calories. I think people often think of carbs as things like baked goods and added sugars, rather than vegetables and fruits.
Fung's is a snake oil salesman? Like Ornish,Pritikin, Atkins,Dukkan and every other doctor who wrote a book about the diets they are successfully using to treat their patients?
Taubes is just a journalist who dared to hypothesize and can't prove himself right. His writing is accurate though.
How can we call his writing accurate if his claims can't be proven?
I'm thinking of his original article (What if it's all been a big fat lie) and his book, Good Calories Bad Calories. That was good research and writing. I'm not a fan of his latest book... Can't remember what it was called.6 -
I think part of keto'e popularity is that people are excited to have permission to eat fat again after it was demonized for decades. The pendulum has swung too far if whole food carbs, like vegetables and fruits, are declared bad for everyone, but that will settle out in a year or so. IMO
I disagree, many do keto based on what they heard. How many times I hear that "I have to cut out carbs to lose weight" or "carbs are no good for you". Many do keto based on fear they hear about carbs, many are not well informed on the subject and think the reason they got big in the first place is because they ate too many carbs. Since there is a keto fad going on, it doesn't help that there snake oil salesmen who add fuel to the fire by spouting more non sense (Taubes and Dr Fung come in mind).
Thankfully not everyone who does keto are ignorant on the carbs subject, there are few who do it simply because they just enjoy that type of diet and they still understand that it's all about CICO.
There's always going to be misinformed people who eat just bananas or grapefruit or think ACV or veganism will cause weight loss. Of course there will be those misinformed about keto. Since keto has grown in popularity, some of the dietary ignorant have moved over to try it instead of the more typical moderation and lean foods diets. This doesn't mean that keto'ers are misinformed as a group, rather that more of the misinformed are trying keto.
Well we don't have data to know how many people who do keto are misinformed and which ones are informed. However, when you go around the forums, they are not hard to spot. My beef is not towards those who do keto while having the right information in hand, my beef is with those who spread the lies about carbs and other myths regarding that. Just like I wouldn't hesitate to call out someone who says "eating a banana will cause you to lose weight". But since keto is popular right now, you will definitely get a lot of bad carbs information, much more than anything else because the keto community is the largest diet community group on mfp. In other words, the pool is much bigger, therefore you are more likely to encounter some bad fish.
That's true. More people doing keto correlates with more misinformation being seen. Bigger pool is right.2 -
joemac1988 wrote: »I just hope the spike in low-carb popularity causes the price of poptarts, cereal, bagels, pasta etc to go down. At 400g a day, I spend a fortune lol
400g of carbohydrates?
I would die happy. 7 -
The keto diet is really not a new thing. It was started back in the 1920s by the medical community as a treatment for epilepsy. Later, Dr. Atkins used the principles of it to form the first stage of his Atkins diet, which he came out with in the 1970s.
People have searched for the "perfect" diet nearly as long as obesity has existed. The problem is, there is not one perfect diet, because we are all different. Sure, CICO is sound in general, but there are other factors to consider. What kinds of calories you consume are also important. If you consume something that does not work for your body, you will not benefit. For example, recent studies have shown that people of Mediterranean descent are highly likely to be lactose intolerant, whereas people of Nordic descent are not.
Also, not everyone can tolerate the standard American diet, with its emphasis on whole grains. One example of this would be women with PCOS. PCOS sufferers are insulin resistant, and therefore, eating low-carb is beneficial in managing their health and improving symptoms. Whole grains in SAD amounts only make their symptoms worse.
Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with following a specific diet, as long as you have done the research, and it works for you. What is sustainable for one person is not necessarily so for another. There is no one size fits all answer to weight loss. CICO is great, and necessary for weight loss, but the tweaking of it and how you get to that point is totally up to you.
Also, just in the spirit of transparency, yes, I do keto. It has worked very well for me. Do I proselytize and try to convert others to it? No, absolutely not. However, if people do ask me about it, I offer information and let them know my research sources.30 -
LouisTamsi wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »thoe only ones that are diets are the south beach and the mediterranean. all diets follow CICO(its just an energy blaance) those cleanses arent really diets though. I had the same issue with keto
Yes true, cleanses were the in thing a few years back.
yeah and for some they still are and people THINK those things are needed to lose weight as well.0 -
Low fat dieting has lost its luster a good while ago, so this is no longer a reaction, but you can't deny that it started out this way. It started out as "I can eat fat? Awesome!", but the more popular it got the more it moved into the territory of thinking that "carbs make you fat" is a fact. It's very obvious when threads by people who are new to dieting mention carbs in passing so matter of factly.I think part of keto'e popularity is that people are excited to have permission to eat fat again after it was demonized for decades. The pendulum has swung too far if whole food carbs, like vegetables and fruits, are declared bad for everyone, but that will settle out in a year or so. IMO
I disagree, many do keto based on what they heard. How many times I hear that "I have to cut out carbs to lose weight" or "carbs are no good for you". Many do keto based on fear they hear about carbs, many are not well informed on the subject and think the reason they got big in the first place is because they ate too many carbs. Since there is a keto fad going on, it doesn't help that there snake oil salesmen who add fuel to the fire by spouting more non sense (Taubes and Dr Fung come in mind).
Thankfully not everyone who does keto are ignorant on the carbs subject, there are few who do it simply because they just enjoy that type of diet and they still understand that it's all about CICO.3 -
brneydgrlie wrote: »The keto diet is really not a new thing. It was started back in the 1920s by the medical community as a treatment for epilepsy. Later, Dr. Atkins used the principles of it to form the first stage of his Atkins diet, which he came out with in the 1970s.
People have searched for the "perfect" diet nearly as long as obesity has existed. The problem is, there is not one perfect diet, because we are all different. Sure, CICO is sound in general, but there are other factors to consider. What kinds of calories you consume are also important. If you consume something that does not work for your body, you will not benefit. For example, recent studies have shown that people of Mediterranean descent are highly likely to be lactose intolerant, whereas people of Nordic descent are not.
Also, not everyone can tolerate the standard American diet, with its emphasis on whole grains. One example of this would be women with PCOS. PCOS sufferers are insulin resistant, and therefore, eating low-carb is beneficial in managing their health and improving symptoms. Whole grains in SAD amounts only make their symptoms worse.
Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with following a specific diet, as long as you have done the research, and it works for you. What is sustainable for one person is not necessarily so for another. There is no one size fits all answer to weight loss. CICO is great, and necessary for weight loss, but the tweaking of it and how you get to that point is totally up to you.
Also, just in the spirit of transparency, yes, I do keto. It has worked very well for me. Do I proselytize and try to convert others to it? No, absolutely not. However, if people do ask me about it, I offer information and let them know my research sources.
The SAD is known for the relative *lack* of whole grains, not an emphasis on them.6 -
If you want to talk about a crazy "diet", women in Victorian times used to swallow tapeworms in order to lose weight! :-) Also, there was a thing going around in the late 1970s - early 80s when supermodels would swallow cotton balls, thinking that the fibers swelled in the stomach and reduced their appetites.
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brneydgrlie wrote: »The keto diet is really not a new thing. It was started back in the 1920s by the medical community as a treatment for epilepsy. Later, Dr. Atkins used the principles of it to form the first stage of his Atkins diet, which he came out with in the 1970s.
People have searched for the "perfect" diet nearly as long as obesity has existed. The problem is, there is not one perfect diet, because we are all different. Sure, CICO is sound in general, but there are other factors to consider. What kinds of calories you consume are also important. If you consume something that does not work for your body, you will not benefit. For example, recent studies that have shown that people of Mediterranean descent are highly likely to be lactose intolerant, whereas people of Nordic descent are not.
Also, not everyone can tolerate the standard American diet, with its emphasis on whole grains. One example of this would be women with PCOS. PCOS sufferers are insulin resistant, and therefore, eating low-carb is beneficial in managing their health and improving symptoms. Whole grains in SAD amounts only make their symptoms worse.
Personally, I don't think there is anything wrong with following a specific diet, as long as you have done the research, and it works for you. What is sustainable for one person is not necessarily so for another. There is no one size fits all answer to weight loss. CICO is great, and necessary for weight loss, but the tweaking of it and how you get to that point is totally up to you.
Also, just in the spirit of transparency, yes, I do keto. It has worked very well for me. Do I proselytize and try to convert others to it? No, absolutely not. However, if people do ask me about it, I offer information and let them know my research sources.
no one is bashing it for health reasons,that was the whole point in the beginning it was used to treat epilepsy and down the line they found it helps some with type 2,IR,PCOS and a few other health issues(some things it claims to help have not been proven yet though). and not everyone with PCOS has insulin resistance although it is more often a hand in hand type of thing.
but many people now adays think its a special way to lose weight and its going to result in fast fat loss. its not. as for being lactose intolerant its not going to stop you from losing weight,it is going to cause you a lot of stomach and bowel distress like pain,bloating,gas and possible diarrhea or other issues. but its still down to CICO all ways of eating rely on CICO as its an ENERGY balance ,the only way you should have to tweak a diet is if you are intolerant,allergic or cant digest certain foods due to health issues.
as for low carb if it helps with IR and other things then great eat low carb. but not everyone with type 2,IR or other issues have to do keto. there are a lot of people here who do not do keto /low carb and manage those health issues,many without meds. I agree its going to be different for everone of course. I cant do keto with my health issues.
people need to see what works for them and their health issues if it means cutting certain things out because it causes side effects then sure cut them out.but some of these people need to stop believing that keto and certain other ways of eating are a cure all or will do xyz for them when it may not do squat for them. But CICO is what works for everyone. what you eat to get to your calorie deficit is your decision. for you its keto, for others its not.6
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