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That Keto is so hot right now
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That Keto is so hot right now
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stevencloser wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »aburrison1 wrote: »1. Most people find fat (and protein) satiating.
2. Carb cravings are reduced
3. If improves conditions related to insulin resistance like T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD, Alzheimer's, CVD; as well as some neurological problems.
4. Steadier energy from steadier BG
5. Improved lipid panels for most.
6. Possible gastrointestinal improvements or for other symptoms like migraines
7. Better skin and hair
8. It has been shown to be just as effective as any weight loss diet, and slightly better in those with IR.
9. Sustainability is just as good, if not better, than some other diets like low fat
10. It is quite complimentary to popular IF due to appetite suppression
11. Bacon
You are correct about this statement. Keto is actually a credible and sustainable way of eating. It does, in fact, facilitate with improved health. If you take a blood panel and compare before Keto and after you will notice improved results. I know personally because I have experienced it. Keto has improved my life and health. With Keto I also do intermittent fasting (IF). Using IF and Keto together facilities faster weight loss and a healthier body. In fact, when I have gone off Keto and IF my health deteriorated.
Not everyone finds lots of fat satiating and wish people would stop repeating this like it's nearly universal. I legitimately thought there was something wrong with me when I tried Whole 30 because low carb made me feel this weird combination of both stuffed and weak from hunger, I definitely wasn't satisfied. I need one reasonable portion of complex carbs in a meal and I am happy, full, and energetic for much longer.
The list was actually posted by me, but the last bit (where I said that it differs for everyone -YMMV) was (accidentally?) removed when I was quoted. It was not written as a universal statement.
As an aside, it's possible that the weakness or fatigue you felt was from the electrolyte imbalance that accompanies lowering carbs. Most who lower carbs need about 2 tsp of salt a day.
I’m pretty sure the weakness was from not eating my brain and muscles’ fuel source of choice but thanks for the advice.
It’s only the food of choice if it’s present in sufficient quantities and even then when it is in ample supply, exercising at extreme levels it’s not always the only source the brain reaches for.
Pssst. That's what food of choice means. If it's there, it gets eaten.
So it’s not the exclusive food for the brain then? 😉
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Fed up with keto posts - then posts a keto post??
I’m hoping the keto bashing craze ends soon.
Meta analysis shows the diet to be equal to moderation / calorie counting.
Maybe accepting there is NO ‘one diet model’ which suits everyone might be the answer!
Who is it that doesn't accept that? I think most do. The resentment for keto advocates is they generally seem not to accept that.
I haven’t seen many keto advocates doing that. Certainly not on this thread or many others.
I think it’s quite the reverse.
I have seen people wanting to topple the keto diet.
That's the narrative you cling to but I've seen the vast majority of people here state repeatedly that keto is a valid preference for some. It is the false claims of unproven benefits that draws the majority of pushback. This has been stated in multiple threads that you and I have both participated in and by many, many people.
This is why I told you in another thread that you always seem to be "spoiling for an argument". You seem to want to create arguments where they don't exist. Is there some kind of persecution complex or do you just not really believe it when people say essentially "keto can be a valid choice for some"?17 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Fed up with keto posts - then posts a keto post??
I’m hoping the keto bashing craze ends soon.
Meta analysis shows the diet to be equal to moderation / calorie counting.
Maybe accepting there is NO ‘one diet model’ which suits everyone might be the answer!
Who is it that doesn't accept that? I think most do. The resentment for keto advocates is they generally seem not to accept that.
I haven’t seen many keto advocates doing that. Certainly not on this thread or many others.
I think it’s quite the reverse.
I have seen people wanting to topple the keto diet.
That's the narrative you cling to but I've seen the vast majority of people here state repeatedly that keto is a valid preference for some. It is the false claims of unproven benefits that draws the majority of pushback. This has been stated in multiple threads that you and I have both participated in and by many, many people.
This is why I told you in another thread that you always seem to be "spoiling for an argument". You seem to want to create arguments where they don't exist. Is there some kind of persecution complex or do you just not really believe it when people say essentially "keto can be a valid choice for some"?
vast majority , really? I’m calling *kitten* on that!16 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Fed up with keto posts - then posts a keto post??
I’m hoping the keto bashing craze ends soon.
Meta analysis shows the diet to be equal to moderation / calorie counting.
Maybe accepting there is NO ‘one diet model’ which suits everyone might be the answer!
Who is it that doesn't accept that? I think most do. The resentment for keto advocates is they generally seem not to accept that.
I haven’t seen many keto advocates doing that. Certainly not on this thread or many others.
I think it’s quite the reverse.
I have seen people wanting to topple the keto diet.
That's the narrative you cling to but I've seen the vast majority of people here state repeatedly that keto is a valid preference for some. It is the false claims of unproven benefits that draws the majority of pushback. This has been stated in multiple threads that you and I have both participated in and by many, many people.
This is why I told you in another thread that you always seem to be "spoiling for an argument". You seem to want to create arguments where they don't exist. Is there some kind of persecution complex or do you just not really believe it when people say essentially "keto can be a valid choice for some"?
vast majority , really? I’m calling *kitten* on that!tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Fed up with keto posts - then posts a keto post??
I’m hoping the keto bashing craze ends soon.
Meta analysis shows the diet to be equal to moderation / calorie counting.
Maybe accepting there is NO ‘one diet model’ which suits everyone might be the answer!
Who is it that doesn't accept that? I think most do. The resentment for keto advocates is they generally seem not to accept that.
I haven’t seen many keto advocates doing that. Certainly not on this thread or many others.
I think it’s quite the reverse.
I have seen people wanting to topple the keto diet.
That's the narrative you cling to but I've seen the vast majority of people here state repeatedly that keto is a valid preference for some. It is the false claims of unproven benefits that draws the majority of pushback. This has been stated in multiple threads that you and I have both participated in and by many, many people.
This is why I told you in another thread that you always seem to be "spoiling for an argument". You seem to want to create arguments where they don't exist. Is there some kind of persecution complex or do you just not really believe it when people say essentially "keto can be a valid choice for some"?
vast majority , really? I’m calling *kitten* on that!
You can call whatever you want. It doesn't change the facts any.11 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Fed up with keto posts - then posts a keto post??
I’m hoping the keto bashing craze ends soon.
Meta analysis shows the diet to be equal to moderation / calorie counting.
Maybe accepting there is NO ‘one diet model’ which suits everyone might be the answer!
Who is it that doesn't accept that? I think most do. The resentment for keto advocates is they generally seem not to accept that.
I haven’t seen many keto advocates doing that. Certainly not on this thread or many others.
I think it’s quite the reverse.
I have seen people wanting to topple the keto diet.
That's the narrative you cling to but I've seen the vast majority of people here state repeatedly that keto is a valid preference for some. It is the false claims of unproven benefits that draws the majority of pushback. This has been stated in multiple threads that you and I have both participated in and by many, many people.
This is why I told you in another thread that you always seem to be "spoiling for an argument". You seem to want to create arguments where they don't exist. Is there some kind of persecution complex or do you just not really believe it when people say essentially "keto can be a valid choice for some"?
vast majority , really? I’m calling *kitten* on that!tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Fed up with keto posts - then posts a keto post??
I’m hoping the keto bashing craze ends soon.
Meta analysis shows the diet to be equal to moderation / calorie counting.
Maybe accepting there is NO ‘one diet model’ which suits everyone might be the answer!
Who is it that doesn't accept that? I think most do. The resentment for keto advocates is they generally seem not to accept that.
I haven’t seen many keto advocates doing that. Certainly not on this thread or many others.
I think it’s quite the reverse.
I have seen people wanting to topple the keto diet.
That's the narrative you cling to but I've seen the vast majority of people here state repeatedly that keto is a valid preference for some. It is the false claims of unproven benefits that draws the majority of pushback. This has been stated in multiple threads that you and I have both participated in and by many, many people.
This is why I told you in another thread that you always seem to be "spoiling for an argument". You seem to want to create arguments where they don't exist. Is there some kind of persecution complex or do you just not really believe it when people say essentially "keto can be a valid choice for some"?
vast majority , really? I’m calling *kitten* on that!
You can call whatever you want. It doesn't change my opinion any.
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At the end of the day ATP is what matters for "fuel", just different rates/kinetics as well as efficiency for proteins, carbohydrates, & fatty acids...dynamics vs. kinetics3
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BrunetteRunner87 wrote: »I was just saying to my husband that I wish this Keto craze would end already. I feel like half the posts on here are about it, I have about 20 facebook friends constantly talking about it, and 65% of the news stories Google sends me about health are keto-related. (And I don't think a lot of people who say they're doing keto actually know what it is, but that's a different discussion). I guess if it really works for someone, great, but I think a lot of people talk about it and try it without actually knowing what it is and that it's not sustainable for many people for long. Mostly I'm tired of it clogging up my feed!
I know that when I first started MFP several years ago, there weren't really any discussions about keto. But there was probably another popular diet...I remember Atkins and South Beach were all the rage for a while, and in the 90s you had low fat diets.
So, do you think keto is just a craze, or is it here to stay? What new diet do you think it will be replaced with next? I'm also interested in a trip down memory lane to discuss popular diets from back in the day, when they phased out, and whether they ever came back into popularity.
I'm on a sea food diet, I sea food and I eat it 😂5 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »aburrison1 wrote: »1. Most people find fat (and protein) satiating.
2. Carb cravings are reduced
3. If improves conditions related to insulin resistance like T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD, Alzheimer's, CVD; as well as some neurological problems.
4. Steadier energy from steadier BG
5. Improved lipid panels for most.
6. Possible gastrointestinal improvements or for other symptoms like migraines
7. Better skin and hair
8. It has been shown to be just as effective as any weight loss diet, and slightly better in those with IR.
9. Sustainability is just as good, if not better, than some other diets like low fat
10. It is quite complimentary to popular IF due to appetite suppression
11. Bacon
You are correct about this statement. Keto is actually a credible and sustainable way of eating. It does, in fact, facilitate with improved health. If you take a blood panel and compare before Keto and after you will notice improved results. I know personally because I have experienced it. Keto has improved my life and health. With Keto I also do intermittent fasting (IF). Using IF and Keto together facilities faster weight loss and a healthier body. In fact, when I have gone off Keto and IF my health deteriorated.
Not everyone finds lots of fat satiating and wish people would stop repeating this like it's nearly universal. I legitimately thought there was something wrong with me when I tried Whole 30 because low carb made me feel this weird combination of both stuffed and weak from hunger, I definitely wasn't satisfied. I need one reasonable portion of complex carbs in a meal and I am happy, full, and energetic for much longer.
Yes, this has been pointed out many times. Some find fats satisfying. Many do not. It's like a subtle form of propaganda. Trying to speak it into reality. For those that find fats satisfying, great. But many do not.
I love fat, find it satiating, and am not a volume eater. I still wouldn't want to do keto. I probably eat a higher percentage of fat than most but find if my carbs dip below 100g/day for any sustained period of time I get very cranky
Keto isn’t for everyone, that’s for sure, but it is definitely for many.
I personally like to keep my carbs around 100g to and I definitely like fat and protein ahead of carbs.
You're sentence can be applied to any diet really.
<INSERT_DIET> isn't for everyone, that's for sure, but it is definitely for many.
I don't even know why people make such a big deal with their diet, it's a tool, but yet people get all cultish and obessed by them. I guess it's human to cling on to something, whether it's religion, politics or even something silly like a diet.7 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »happytree923 wrote: »aburrison1 wrote: »1. Most people find fat (and protein) satiating.
2. Carb cravings are reduced
3. If improves conditions related to insulin resistance like T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD, Alzheimer's, CVD; as well as some neurological problems.
4. Steadier energy from steadier BG
5. Improved lipid panels for most.
6. Possible gastrointestinal improvements or for other symptoms like migraines
7. Better skin and hair
8. It has been shown to be just as effective as any weight loss diet, and slightly better in those with IR.
9. Sustainability is just as good, if not better, than some other diets like low fat
10. It is quite complimentary to popular IF due to appetite suppression
11. Bacon
You are correct about this statement. Keto is actually a credible and sustainable way of eating. It does, in fact, facilitate with improved health. If you take a blood panel and compare before Keto and after you will notice improved results. I know personally because I have experienced it. Keto has improved my life and health. With Keto I also do intermittent fasting (IF). Using IF and Keto together facilities faster weight loss and a healthier body. In fact, when I have gone off Keto and IF my health deteriorated.
Not everyone finds lots of fat satiating and wish people would stop repeating this like it's nearly universal. I legitimately thought there was something wrong with me when I tried Whole 30 because low carb made me feel this weird combination of both stuffed and weak from hunger, I definitely wasn't satisfied. I need one reasonable portion of complex carbs in a meal and I am happy, full, and energetic for much longer.
Yes, this has been pointed out many times. Some find fats satisfying. Many do not. It's like a subtle form of propaganda. Trying to speak it into reality. For those that find fats satisfying, great. But many do not.
I love fat, find it satiating, and am not a volume eater. I still wouldn't want to do keto. I probably eat a higher percentage of fat than most but find if my carbs dip below 100g/day for any sustained period of time I get very cranky
Keto isn’t for everyone, that’s for sure, but it is definitely for many.
I personally like to keep my carbs around 100g to and I definitely like fat and protein ahead of carbs.
You're sentence can be applied to any diet really.
<INSERT_DIET> isn't for everyone, that's for sure, but it is definitely for many.
I don't even know why people make such a big deal with their diet, it's a tool, but yet people get all cultish and obessed by them. I guess it's human to cling on to something, whether it's religion, politics or even something silly like a diet.
I totally agree!
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I really don't give a damn what other people are doing. I don't do keto because I took a college-level nutrition course that emphasized at least 150 g of carb daily for healthy adults so that our bodies don't go into ketoacidosis, which is not a healthy or natural state.
"Ketone bodies are three water-soluble molecules (acetoacetate, beta-hydroxybutyrate, and their spontaneous breakdown product, acetone) containing the ketone group that are produced by the liver from fatty acids[1] during periods of low food intake (fasting), carbohydrate restrictive diets, starvation, prolonged intense exercise,[2] alcoholism or in untreated (or inadequately treated) type 1 diabetes mellitus."
I'm not trying to adhere to a diet that induces similar physiological outcomes as starvation, alcoholism, and untreated type 1 diabetes mellitus. But that's just what's right for me. I would never tell anyone else how to live their lives.
The reason I eat carbs is the same reason I do cardio. What's happening inside my body is and will be more important than what's happening with my outer layers.7 -
Blonde_Runner615 wrote: »I really don't give a damn what other people are doing. I don't do keto because I took a college-level nutrition course that emphasized at least 150 g of carb daily for healthy adults so that our bodies don't go into ketoacidosis, which is not a healthy or natural state.
"Ketone bodies are three water-soluble molecules (acetoacetate, beta-hydroxybutyrate, and their spontaneous breakdown product, acetone) containing the ketone group that are produced by the liver from fatty acids[1] during periods of low food intake (fasting), carbohydrate restrictive diets, starvation, prolonged intense exercise,[2] alcoholism or in untreated (or inadequately treated) type 1 diabetes mellitus."
I'm not trying to adhere to a diet that induces similar physiological outcomes as starvation, alcoholism, and untreated type 1 diabetes mellitus. But that's just what's right for me. I would never tell anyone else how to live their lives.
The reason I eat carbs is the same reason I do cardio. What's happening inside my body is and will be more important than what's happening with my outer layers.
Any evidence to support the bolded part?
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »Blonde_Runner615 wrote: »I really don't give a damn what other people are doing. I don't do keto because I took a college-level nutrition course that emphasized at least 150 g of carb daily for healthy adults so that our bodies don't go into ketoacidosis, which is not a healthy or natural state.
"Ketone bodies are three water-soluble molecules (acetoacetate, beta-hydroxybutyrate, and their spontaneous breakdown product, acetone) containing the ketone group that are produced by the liver from fatty acids[1] during periods of low food intake (fasting), carbohydrate restrictive diets, starvation, prolonged intense exercise,[2] alcoholism or in untreated (or inadequately treated) type 1 diabetes mellitus."
I'm not trying to adhere to a diet that induces similar physiological outcomes as starvation, alcoholism, and untreated type 1 diabetes mellitus. But that's just what's right for me. I would never tell anyone else how to live their lives.
The reason I eat carbs is the same reason I do cardio. What's happening inside my body is and will be more important than what's happening with my outer layers.
Any evidence to support the bolded part?
Please don't get me wrong, I'm no expert, and I won't debate anyone on this topic because again I don't give a damn what anyone else is doing. I am just recalling what I learned in Nutrition 101 and explaining why I avoid ketoacidosis.2 -
Blonde_Runner615 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Blonde_Runner615 wrote: »I really don't give a damn what other people are doing. I don't do keto because I took a college-level nutrition course that emphasized at least 150 g of carb daily for healthy adults so that our bodies don't go into ketoacidosis, which is not a healthy or natural state.
"Ketone bodies are three water-soluble molecules (acetoacetate, beta-hydroxybutyrate, and their spontaneous breakdown product, acetone) containing the ketone group that are produced by the liver from fatty acids[1] during periods of low food intake (fasting), carbohydrate restrictive diets, starvation, prolonged intense exercise,[2] alcoholism or in untreated (or inadequately treated) type 1 diabetes mellitus."
I'm not trying to adhere to a diet that induces similar physiological outcomes as starvation, alcoholism, and untreated type 1 diabetes mellitus. But that's just what's right for me. I would never tell anyone else how to live their lives.
The reason I eat carbs is the same reason I do cardio. What's happening inside my body is and will be more important than what's happening with my outer layers.
Any evidence to support the bolded part?
Please don't get me wrong, I'm no expert, and I won't debate anyone on this topic because again I don't give a damn what anyone else is doing. I am just recalling what I learned in Nutrition 101 and explaining why I avoid ketoacidosis.
I think we all want to avoid ketoacidosis.
This keto diet is about ketosis.
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There are two parts of this that are (a little bit) annoying to me. First, the dogma that some adherents claim regarding the "evils of carbs and sugar" etc. Second, the idea that I've seen espoused here and in other places that they can literally eat as much as they want because it's all about the carbz.
Like many here, I have nothing against keto as a part of the means to lose weight. It's the idea that this magically overrides energy balance that drives me nuts. If you lose weight on keto and not counting calories, then you are still operating under the laws of thermodynamics, physics, and chemistry. If you gain weight on keto, which is 100% possible, then you are still operating under the laws of thermodynamics, physics, and chemistry (and the rest of the sciences that apply). I still run across claims that people can eat as much of this or that that they want and never gain weight.
I actually had somebody approach after I had lost about 35 pounds asking me how long I had been doing keto. I reached over and grabbed my Coca Cola for a sip and said "not very long.......". He then told me that if I ditched the Coke, I'd lose weight faster because insulinz, carbs, etc; that my "diet" would never work. I should avoid processed foods and all that. Then he sat down at the meeting table and broke out his bag of about 2 cups worth of mixed nuts and ran through the whole bag during the meeting. Still asks how I do it...7 -
Ketoacidosis refers to diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA) and is a complication of type 1 diabetes mellitus. It’s a life-threatening condition resulting from dangerously high levels of ketones and blood sugar. This combination makes your blood too acidic, which can change the normal functioning of internal organs like your liver and kidneys. It’s critical that you get prompt treatment.
Ketosis is the presence of ketones. It’s not harmful. You can be in ketosis if you’re on a low-carbohydrate diet or fasting, or if you’ve consumed too much alcohol. If you’re in ketosis, you have a higher than usual level of ketones in your blood or urine, but not high enough to cause acidosis. Ketones are a chemical your body produces when it burns stored fat.
I have followed a Keto Diet for four years (very successfully) and I am not diabetic nor an alcoholic nor have ever suffered from Ketoacidosis. I do however stay is ketosis. I do NOT have a problem with my HDL/LDL levels and I choose healthy fats, not just any fat. I eat fruits and veggies EVERY DAY (even grow my own organic garden and can them). I sustain a keto based diet while traveling over 70% for work (restaurant food), and I exercise. Like any individual nutrition plan, balancing food is part of it.
Every person has their own unique genetic makeup, experiences, education and preferences. I have had more than one medical/nutrition class in collage. Even a CICO plan can go bad when the person doing it, lacks understanding and knowledge. I did my homework and found what works for me. I don't think it works for everyone in all situations and generalizing (putting everyone in the same pool of health & fitness) is the true danger of assumptions.11 -
Interesting point and question.
Keto is not going away because a "ketogenic diet" is not like any other "diet" out there, which normally proscribe what foods you can eat based on a variety of theories and in what amounts. "Keto" means being in a state of nutritional ketosis, which means that you are eating less than or equal to 20g of net carbs per day, and that your body has switched over from burning glycogen derived from carbohydrates (or sometimes protein) to burning ketone bodies, either from bodily or dietary fat.
But you're right - most people don't understand it very well!
Ketosis can occur between 20g and 50g depending on the person. A keto diet plan is actually a specific calculation based on current body weight, goal weight, time, calories and so on which equal your macros. However, I do agree with the rest of this content. Keto is very misunderstood. For example, are you following a keto plan (meaning in ketosis) or are you on a low carb plan (above 50g of carbs a day). When even at such a basic level people don't understand it, the mis-information can cause lots of bad press and bad conversation.5 -
"The SAD is known for the relative *lack* of whole grains, not an emphasis on them.[/quote]
And a lack of veg and fruit...[/quote]
I am Keto..again. I eat between 20 and 50 grams of carbs a day, and do not count the carbs from my vegetables (except corn and potatoes and those that are pretty starchy). I don't eat a lot of grains, I sub nut flour for a lot of my baking, and eat "a lot" of almonds and hazlenuts and pecans (a lot for keto, a few ounces a week). I have a more realistic expectation, but am pre-diabetic, so it's not a bad thing to reduce carbs. Some people take it to the extreme and it's simply not sustainable. I need to find some grains that I can eat that won't spike my sugar so much, but I do occasionally snack on full fat granola(once a week 1/4 cup, and I keep within my macros). Just starting keto again, because I was one of those "Zero-10 grams of carbs, no vegetables, etc" and it drove me nuts. Taking it slow and easy now. There are a lot of people that like to try the newest thing, so it'll be popular for a while and die down eventually.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
What changed in the last few weeks?
Sorry I'm late replying, a part of Obamacare went into effect that makes restaurants with more than 10 locations post calorie counts for their menu items.6 -
LouisTamsi wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
What changed in the last few weeks?
Sorry I'm late replying, a part of Obamacare went into effect that makes restaurants with more than 10 locations post calorie counts for their menu items.
I love this so much. So much easier to make better choices.
I really don't understand why people fought this so hard. It's only large chains, and doesn't cost much for them to put the recipes in a calorie calculator.
The restaurants don't want you to know how calorific their foods are, that I understand. But why do consumers oppose it?7
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