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domserlisa wrote: »I came across a documentary on Netflix called the Magic Pill. I highly recommend it.
I thought is was about big pharma companies etc. It turns out it gives a lot of valid information on diet, keto, the environment, and our food production history.
All the gals in the office are talking about Keto and I have been waiting for my "rock bottom" moment to start yet another diet. So, I have been educating myself on Keto and I'm gonna drink the Koolaid. I think it is valid. Not any harder to follow than any other diet. It's hard to wrap your mind around eating more fat because if you are a product of the 80's and 90's you know that FAT is evil and will kill you. I'm embracing the healthy fat in my diet while trying to maintain a low calorie diet. So far so good. The scale isn't really showing results yet but I feel wonderful. Better than I have in years. I'm in!!
Here's a good review/analysis of The Magic Pill: https://synapses.co.za/the-magic-pill-pete-evans-does-documentary/
Another from Australian media: https://dailyreview.com.au/magic-pill-film-review-pete-evans-intellectually-poisonous-diet-documentary/75070/
One more: http://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2018-06-21/pete-evans-diet-doco-magic-pill-health-claims-evaluated/9891470
Pete Evans is a chef with a lot of crackpot ideas, no medical training and no background in health/nutrition other than knowing how to cook. In fact, the Australian Medical Association has called upon Netfix to remove his "documentary", saying that it's irresponsible and could have harmful effects:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jun/03/pete-evans-documentary-should-be-cut-from-netflix-doctors-group-says
http://www.adnews.com.au/news/doctors-call-for-netflix-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/104448358/netflix-urged-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary16 -
domserlisa wrote: »
Here's a good review/analysis of The Magic Pill: https://synapses.co.za/the-magic-pill-pete-evans-does-documentary/
Another from Australian media: https://dailyreview.com.au/magic-pill-film-review-pete-evans-intellectually-poisonous-diet-documentary/75070/
One more: http://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2018-06-21/pete-evans-diet-doco-magic-pill-health-claims-evaluated/9891470
Pete Evans is a chef with a lot of crackpot ideas, no medical training and no background in health/nutrition other than knowing how to cook. In fact, the Australian Medical Association has called upon Netfix to remove his "documentary", saying that it's irresponsible and could have harmful effects:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jun/03/pete-evans-documentary-should-be-cut-from-netflix-doctors-group-says
http://www.adnews.com.au/news/doctors-call-for-netflix-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/104448358/netflix-urged-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary
It’s really not a good review of it. Just another opinion based on what? So all of a sudden anecdotal evident should just be dismissed??? It may not be absolute proof. But when the anecdotal evidence matches MY RESULTS I tend to pay attention to it.
Why is it so hard for some of you to simply concede that for many people a Keto works and is just As valid as anything else??? Especially when you can find 1000s who swear by it.
Those of you that claim to eat 100s and 100s of carbs a day do not represent the population as a whole very well. Carb intake has exploded over the decades as has obesity.
For those of us out there who do not spend hours a week in a gym doing dead’s and obsessing over Marcos and food scales Keto is a very easy way to drop and maintain weight. To say nothing of some of its other promise.
In the past months I and dropped 15 lbs. I feel better in almost every way. I do not have hungry anymore. My blood work is drawn each month by doctors. It has improved with each month. But I guess I should ignore this because I do not have the science to back it up.19 -
It’s really not a good review of it. Just another opinion based on what? So all of a sudden anecdotal evident should just be dismissed??? It may not be absolute proof. But when the anecdotal evidence matches MY RESULTS I tend to pay attention to it.
Why is it so hard for some of you to simply concede that for many people a Keto works and is just As valid as anything else??? Especially when you can find 1000s who swear by it.
Those of you that claim to eat 100s and 100s of carbs a day do not represent the population as a whole very well. Carb intake has exploded over the decades as has obesity.
For those of us out there who do not spend hours a week in a gym doing dead’s and obsessing over Marcos and food scales Keto is a very easy way to drop and maintain weight. To say nothing of some of its other promise.
In the past months I and dropped 15 lbs. I feel better in almost every way. I do not have hungry anymore. My blood work is drawn each month by doctors. It has improved with each month. But I guess I should ignore this because I do not have the science to back it up.
It's not about your anecdotal results. It's about the fact that Pete Evans is a woo-peddling quack making false claims, and the fact that even the medical authorities in his country agree that his "documentary" is a pile of garbage. As are 99% of the one-sided, pseudoscientific, propaganda hack job "documentaries" on Netflix.
Go watch "What The Health" (another Netflix crockumentary) next and see if you're persuaded that you're currently doing the worst thing you could ever do to yourself and should go vegan instead. Lots of "science" in that "documentary" too.24 -
Here's a good review/analysis of The Magic Pill: https://synapses.co.za/the-magic-pill-pete-evans-does-documentary/
Another from Australian media: https://dailyreview.com.au/magic-pill-film-review-pete-evans-intellectually-poisonous-diet-documentary/75070/
One more: http://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2018-06-21/pete-evans-diet-doco-magic-pill-health-claims-evaluated/9891470
Pete Evans is a chef with a lot of crackpot ideas, no medical training and no background in health/nutrition other than knowing how to cook. In fact, the Australian Medical Association has called upon Netfix to remove his "documentary", saying that it's irresponsible and could have harmful effects:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jun/03/pete-evans-documentary-should-be-cut-from-netflix-doctors-group-says
http://www.adnews.com.au/news/doctors-call-for-netflix-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/104448358/netflix-urged-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary
It’s really not a good review of it. Just another opinion based on what? So all of a sudden anecdotal evident should just be dismissed??? It may not be absolute proof. But when the anecdotal evidence matches MY RESULTS I tend to pay attention to it.
Why is it so hard for some of you to simply concede that for many people a Keto works and is just As valid as anything else??? Especially when you can find 1000s who swear by it.
Those of you that claim to eat 100s and 100s of carbs a day do not represent the population as a whole very well. Carb intake has exploded over the decades as has obesity.
For those of us out there who do not spend hours a week in a gym doing dead’s and obsessing over Marcos and food scales Keto is a very easy way to drop and maintain weight. To say nothing of some of its other promise.
In the past months I and dropped 15 lbs. I feel better in almost every way. I do not have hungry anymore. My blood work is drawn each month by doctors. It has improved with each month. But I guess I should ignore this because I do not have the science to back it up.
I'm not sure that's a fair argument. I don't see @AnvilHead or anyone else in this thread saying keto doesn't work or no one should do keto or keto isn't valid. I see them saying that some of the claims made by keto proponents may be overly stated or outside of the realm of good science. That doesn't mean that everyone should stop doing it, it just means that it would be ideal if people understood the hows and whys of what they're recommending and put the best information forward so that people can make their own informed choices. Good information helps everyone. Bad information helps no one. Want more people to eat keto (which I assume is the point of the documentary) great, give them good information rather than bad.17 -
Nobody has said it doesn't work. As long as you're in a calorie deficit you will lose weight, regardless of the macro composition of your diet. You lose weight by eating less calories than you consume.Why is it so hard for some of you to simply concede that for many people a Keto works and is just As valid as anything else??? Especially when you can find 1000s who swear by it.
Calorie intake has exploded over the decades, as has lack of activity. That's been discussed quite extensively in previous threads. Carbs don't make you fat, too many calories makes you fat. By whatever means you obtain them.Those of you that claim to eat 100s and 100s of carbs a day do not represent the population as a whole very well. Carb intake has exploded over the decades as has obesity.
As long as you're in a calorie deficit, sure. Because you lose weight by eating less calories than you consume. That has been scientifically proven.For those of us out there who do not spend hours a week in a gym doing dead’s and obsessing over Marcos and food scales Keto is a very easy way to drop and maintain weight.
Many of which are purely speculative and have never been scientifically proven....To say nothing of some of its other promise.
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domserlisa wrote: »
Here's a good review/analysis of The Magic Pill: https://synapses.co.za/the-magic-pill-pete-evans-does-documentary/
Another from Australian media: https://dailyreview.com.au/magic-pill-film-review-pete-evans-intellectually-poisonous-diet-documentary/75070/
One more: http://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2018-06-21/pete-evans-diet-doco-magic-pill-health-claims-evaluated/9891470
Pete Evans is a chef with a lot of crackpot ideas, no medical training and no background in health/nutrition other than knowing how to cook. In fact, the Australian Medical Association has called upon Netfix to remove his "documentary", saying that it's irresponsible and could have harmful effects:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jun/03/pete-evans-documentary-should-be-cut-from-netflix-doctors-group-says
http://www.adnews.com.au/news/doctors-call-for-netflix-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/104448358/netflix-urged-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary
It’s really not a good review of it. Just another opinion based on what? So all of a sudden anecdotal evident should just be dismissed??? It may not be absolute proof. But when the anecdotal evidence matches MY RESULTS I tend to pay attention to it.
Why is it so hard for some of you to simply concede that for many people a Keto works and is just As valid as anything else??? Especially when you can find 1000s who swear by it.
Those of you that claim to eat 100s and 100s of carbs a day do not represent the population as a whole very well. Carb intake has exploded over the decades as has obesity.
For those of us out there who do not spend hours a week in a gym doing dead’s and obsessing over Marcos and food scales Keto is a very easy way to drop and maintain weight. To say nothing of some of its other promise.
In the past months I and dropped 15 lbs. I feel better in almost every way. I do not have hungry anymore. My blood work is drawn each month by doctors. It has improved with each month. But I guess I should ignore this because I do not have the science to back it up.
Actually, carbohydrate intake has decreased significantly over the last roughly 30 years....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4175294/The present study uniquely investigated trends in the intake of dietary carbohydrates and their major food sources from 1991 to 2008 in a middle-aged sample of predominantly white Americans. The analyses indicate that total carbohydrate intake decreased in the whole sample and in both the sexes, which is consistent with the observed decline in the intake of the majority of carbohydrate sources in the diet. These trends did not vary when the analyses were stratified by BMI category. The decrease in total carbohydrate intake was accompanied by an increase in protein and fat intake in the whole sample, both the sexes, and all the three BMI categories, indicating that food sources of fat and protein replaced carbohydrates in this population.Total sugar, sucrose and fructose intake decreased in the whole sample and in both men and women. This decrease is consistent with the observed decrease in the consumption of some major sources of these sugars in this population, including soft drinks/soda, cakes/cookies/quick breads/doughnuts, and fruit juice/fruit drinks. The intake of individual sugars was evaluated, as sucrose and fructose are the predominant added sugars in the diet including as components of high-fructose maize syrup implicated in the obesity epidemic.
Nobody has said that keto is not a valid modality for weight loss...it's all of the other wild claims...and most of the health benefits associated with keto are actually associated with losing weight in general...ie your health markers from your blood work...mine did as well, and I've never been remotely keto.15 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Actually, carbohydrate intake has decreased significantly over the last roughly 20 years....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4175294/
Pretty difficult to reconcile the carb/obesity theory with those stats, isn't it?:
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It’s really not a good review of it. Just another opinion based on what? So all of a sudden anecdotal evident should just be dismissed??? It may not be absolute proof. But when the anecdotal evidence matches MY RESULTS I tend to pay attention to it.
Why is it so hard for some of you to simply concede that for many people a Keto works and is just As valid as anything else??? Especially when you can find 1000s who swear by it.
Those of you that claim to eat 100s and 100s of carbs a day do not represent the population as a whole very well. Carb intake has exploded over the decades as has obesity.
For those of us out there who do not spend hours a week in a gym doing dead’s and obsessing over Marcos and food scales Keto is a very easy way to drop and maintain weight. To say nothing of some of its other promise.
In the past months I and dropped 15 lbs. I feel better in almost every way. I do not have hungry anymore. My blood work is drawn each month by doctors. It has improved with each month. But I guess I should ignore this because I do not have the science to back it up.
It's not about your anecdotal results. It's about the fact that Pete Evans is a woo-peddling quack making false claims, and the fact that even the medical authorities in his country agree that his "documentary" is a pile of garbage. As are 99% of the one-sided, pseudoscientific, propaganda hack job "documentaries" on Netflix.
Go watch "What The Health" (another Netflix crockumentary) next and see if you're persuaded that you're currently doing the worst thing you could ever do to yourself and should go vegan instead. Lots of "science" in that "documentary" too.
My favorite What the Health claim is that one egg is equal to five cigarettes. A statement that means absolutely nothing and yet is so scary at the same time. Just like what The Magic Pill says about sugar feeding cancer!8 -
Blonde_Runner615 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Blonde_Runner615 wrote: »I really don't give a damn what other people are doing. I don't do keto because I took a college-level nutrition course that emphasized at least 150 g of carb daily for healthy adults so that our bodies don't go into ketoacidosis, which is not a healthy or natural state.
"Ketone bodies are three water-soluble molecules (acetoacetate, beta-hydroxybutyrate, and their spontaneous breakdown product, acetone) containing the ketone group that are produced by the liver from fatty acids[1] during periods of low food intake (fasting), carbohydrate restrictive diets, starvation, prolonged intense exercise,[2] alcoholism or in untreated (or inadequately treated) type 1 diabetes mellitus."
I'm not trying to adhere to a diet that induces similar physiological outcomes as starvation, alcoholism, and untreated type 1 diabetes mellitus. But that's just what's right for me. I would never tell anyone else how to live their lives.
The reason I eat carbs is the same reason I do cardio. What's happening inside my body is and will be more important than what's happening with my outer layers.
Any evidence to support the bolded part?
Please don't get me wrong, I'm no expert, and I won't debate anyone on this topic because again I don't give a damn what anyone else is doing. I am just recalling what I learned in Nutrition 101 and explaining why I avoid ketoacidosis.
I'm honestly a bit concerned that a nursing course taught you that ketoacidosis and ketosis are the same thing.17 -
diannethegeek wrote: »Blonde_Runner615 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Blonde_Runner615 wrote: »I really don't give a damn what other people are doing. I don't do keto because I took a college-level nutrition course that emphasized at least 150 g of carb daily for healthy adults so that our bodies don't go into ketoacidosis, which is not a healthy or natural state.
"Ketone bodies are three water-soluble molecules (acetoacetate, beta-hydroxybutyrate, and their spontaneous breakdown product, acetone) containing the ketone group that are produced by the liver from fatty acids[1] during periods of low food intake (fasting), carbohydrate restrictive diets, starvation, prolonged intense exercise,[2] alcoholism or in untreated (or inadequately treated) type 1 diabetes mellitus."
I'm not trying to adhere to a diet that induces similar physiological outcomes as starvation, alcoholism, and untreated type 1 diabetes mellitus. But that's just what's right for me. I would never tell anyone else how to live their lives.
The reason I eat carbs is the same reason I do cardio. What's happening inside my body is and will be more important than what's happening with my outer layers.
Any evidence to support the bolded part?
Please don't get me wrong, I'm no expert, and I won't debate anyone on this topic because again I don't give a damn what anyone else is doing. I am just recalling what I learned in Nutrition 101 and explaining why I avoid ketoacidosis.
I'm honestly a bit concerned that a nursing course taught you that ketoacidosis and ketosis are the same thing.
My guess is they didn’t cover ketosis at all since ketoscidosis is a medical emergency a nurse would need to be able to recognize and respond to, while ketosis is not. No reason to dig at her education because they didn’t cover every single detail of ketogenesis.3 -
The irony of these threads is you can never do keto with all the popcorn you eat going through them.15
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Any documentary will show stats to prove their point and hide the facts that counter them.domserlisa wrote: »I came across a documentary on Netflix called the Magic Pill. I highly recommend it.
I thought is was about big pharma companies etc. It turns out it gives a lot of valid information on diet, keto, the environment, and our food production history.
All the gals in the office are talking about Keto and I have been waiting for my "rock bottom" moment to start yet another diet. So, I have been educating myself on Keto and I'm gonna drink the Koolaid. I think it is valid. Not any harder to follow than any other diet. It's hard to wrap your mind around eating more fat because if you are a product of the 80's and 90's you know that FAT is evil and will kill you. I'm embracing the healthy fat in my diet while trying to maintain a low calorie diet. So far so good. The scale isn't really showing results yet but I feel wonderful. Better than I have in years. I'm in!!
Basically they cherry pick the stuff they want you to hear.5 -
Nobody has said it doesn't work. As long as you're in a calorie deficit you will lose weight, regardless of the macro composition of your diet. You lose weight by eating less calories than you consume expend.Why is it so hard for some of you to simply concede that for many people a Keto works and is just As valid as anything else??? Especially when you can find 1000s who swear by it.
Calorie intake has exploded over the decades, as has lack of activity. That's been discussed quite extensively in previous threads. Carbs don't make you fat, too many calories makes you fat. By whatever means you obtain them.Those of you that claim to eat 100s and 100s of carbs a day do not represent the population as a whole very well. Carb intake has exploded over the decades as has obesity.
As long as you're in a calorie deficit, sure. Because you lose weight by eating less calories than you consume expend. That has been scientifically proven.For those of us out there who do not spend hours a week in a gym doing dead’s and obsessing over Marcos and food scales Keto is a very easy way to drop and maintain weight.
Many of which are purely speculative and have never been scientifically proven....To say nothing of some of its other promise.
Fixed it, since the edit window has already passed and it was driving me nuts to leave it the way I originally (incorrectly) wrote it.7 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Actually, carbohydrate intake has decreased significantly over the last roughly 20 years....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4175294/
Pretty difficult to reconcile the carb/obesity theory with those stats, isn't it?:
Those graphs were created by Stephan Guyenet (http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2015/11/carbohydrate-sugar-and-obesity-in.html). Many issues with the graphs themselves which gives the illusion of a greater trend.
Looking at the graphs though, the participants self-reported (notoriously inaccurate) roughly 508 grams of carbs/day/person in 2000 vs ~470 grams/day/person in 2010. That is still a *kitten* ton of carbs, and only ~7.5% decrease (again self-reported). This is total carbohydrate grams mind you, not a percent of calories or ratio of the diet. Sugar intake went from ~110 g/day/person to ~94 g/day/person (~15% decrease). You can also see that the %obesity roughly doubled from 1980-2000 (20 years; 100% increase), yet from 2000-2010 %obesity went from ~30%-~37.5%, only 25% increase. One could argue the moderate (but significant if these numbers are based on the Makarem et al. 2014 Br J Nutrition paper) decrease in carbohydrate and sugar consumption altered the obesity trend for the better... If anything, its no wonder %obesity continues to climb.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Actually, carbohydrate intake has decreased significantly over the last roughly 20 years....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4175294/
Pretty difficult to reconcile the carb/obesity theory with those stats, isn't it?:
Those graphs were created by Stephan Guyenet (http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2015/11/carbohydrate-sugar-and-obesity-in.html). Many issues with the graphs themselves which gives the illusion of a greater trend.
Looking at the graphs though, the participants self-reported (notoriously inaccurate) roughly 508 grams of carbs/day/person in 2000 vs 470 grams/day/person in 2010. That is still a *kitten* ton of carbs, and only ~7.5% decrease (again self-reported). This is total carbohydrate grams mind you, not a percent of calories or ratio of the diet. Sugar intake went from ~110 g/day/person to 94 g/day/person (~15% decrease). You can also see that the %obesity roughly doubled from 1980-2000 (20 years; 100% increase), yet from 2000-2010 %obesity went from ~30%-~37.5%, only 25% increase. One could argue the moderate (but significant if these numbers are based on the Makarem et al. 2014 Br J Nutrition paper) decrease in carbohydrate and sugar consumption altered the obesity trend for the better... If anything, its no wonder %obesity continues to climb.
Have you ever researched Blue Zones.
Carbs have about nothing to do with the obesity epidemic. Eating *kitten* tons of food and calories does, regardless of the source. And, yes...carbohydrate consumption has been well on the decline for almost 30 years.8 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Actually, carbohydrate intake has decreased significantly over the last roughly 20 years....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4175294/
Pretty difficult to reconcile the carb/obesity theory with those stats, isn't it?:
Those graphs were created by Stephan Guyenet (http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2015/11/carbohydrate-sugar-and-obesity-in.html). Many issues with the graphs themselves which gives the illusion of a greater trend.
Looking at the graphs though, the participants self-reported (notoriously inaccurate) roughly 508 grams of carbs/day/person in 2000 vs ~470 grams/day/person in 2010. That is still a *kitten* ton of carbs, and only ~7.5% decrease (again self-reported). This is total carbohydrate grams mind you, not a percent of calories or ratio of the diet. Sugar intake went from ~110 g/day/person to ~94 g/day/person (~15% decrease). You can also see that the %obesity roughly doubled from 1980-2000 (20 years; 100% increase), yet from 2000-2010 %obesity went from ~30%-~37.5%, only 25% increase. One could argue the moderate (but significant if these numbers are based on the Makarem et al. 2014 Br J Nutrition paper) decrease in carbohydrate and sugar consumption altered the obesity trend for the better... If anything, its no wonder %obesity continues to climb.
I'm fine with disregarding self-reported numbers as long as we clarify what we're replacing it with. What numbers would you like to use to support your claim that carbohydrate consumption has "exploded"?13 -
diannethegeek wrote: »Blonde_Runner615 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Blonde_Runner615 wrote: »I really don't give a damn what other people are doing. I don't do keto because I took a college-level nutrition course that emphasized at least 150 g of carb daily for healthy adults so that our bodies don't go into ketoacidosis, which is not a healthy or natural state.
"Ketone bodies are three water-soluble molecules (acetoacetate, beta-hydroxybutyrate, and their spontaneous breakdown product, acetone) containing the ketone group that are produced by the liver from fatty acids[1] during periods of low food intake (fasting), carbohydrate restrictive diets, starvation, prolonged intense exercise,[2] alcoholism or in untreated (or inadequately treated) type 1 diabetes mellitus."
I'm not trying to adhere to a diet that induces similar physiological outcomes as starvation, alcoholism, and untreated type 1 diabetes mellitus. But that's just what's right for me. I would never tell anyone else how to live their lives.
The reason I eat carbs is the same reason I do cardio. What's happening inside my body is and will be more important than what's happening with my outer layers.
Any evidence to support the bolded part?
Please don't get me wrong, I'm no expert, and I won't debate anyone on this topic because again I don't give a damn what anyone else is doing. I am just recalling what I learned in Nutrition 101 and explaining why I avoid ketoacidosis.
I'm honestly a bit concerned that a nursing course taught you that ketoacidosis and ketosis are the same thing.
I'm not surprised - I have seen more than one nutritionist/dietician/health blogger make the claim that nutritional ketosis is simply a mild form of ketoacidosis.... smdh5 -
@tennisdude2004
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It’s certainly easier than weighing food, calorie counting and still be hungry at the end of the day with no calories left - In my experience (although I just do LCHF), but the principles the same!
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But surely to follow a keto diet for weight loss, you would still need to weigh your food and count calories to know that you are in a calorie deficit still, for it to be successful?
I understand that different people find different macro ratios more satisfying. But one of the major claims I've seen about keto, is that there is no need to count calories. But if I ate more than I burn I would still gain. This just doesn't make sense.4 -
Wendyanneroberts wrote: »@tennisdude2004
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It’s certainly easier than weighing food, calorie counting and still be hungry at the end of the day with no calories left - In my experience (although I just do LCHF), but the principles the same!
But surely to follow a keto diet for weight loss, you would still need to weigh your food and count calories to know that you are in a calorie deficit still, for it to be successful?
I understand that different people find different macro ratios more satisfying. But one of the major claims I've seen about keto, is that there is no need to count calories. But if I ate more than I burn I would still gain. This just doesn't make sense.[/quote]
you do still need a calorie deficit when eating keto. if you eat more than you burn you will gain weight no matter what way or eating you choose. people think with keto they dont have to count ,due to keto being body fat burning when its actually dietary fat that is used for fuel. do a search here on mfp for gaining weight on keto there are quite a few of those posts.
some people dont have to count calories but their bodies still count. so for those people they could lose weight without counting. I did it in 2003 but it was because I was eating less due to a broken leg and I couldnt get to the kitchen as often.I didnt count anything,just ate less food.
so its possible for some when doing keto (if their appetites are satiated by high fat) could lose without counting because they are eating less calories as for them they arent as hungry so they dont eat as much.5
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