Vegetarian KETO weight loss stall HELP!

Holly_Wood_888
Holly_Wood_888 Posts: 268 Member
edited November 27 in Health and Weight Loss
Hi All, I started keto on June 25 - dropped 6lbs by July 4 and now I’m gaining . I track all macros, I generally stay at 22 net carbs but struggle with eating too much protein ... on Saturday I indulged in cauliflower crust pizza with a lot of cheese - I was up 1lb on Sunday ... last night I had curried tofu and I am up another pound ...(over by 37g of protein yesterday)
I am struggling to balance my meals as a vegetarian ... because keto also limits veggie intake (due to carbs) I am finding I only feel full eating a good amount of protein at each meal. I eat fish and eggs .... Looking for advice ... / help with vegetarian meal ideas .
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  • Holly_Wood_888
    Holly_Wood_888 Posts: 268 Member
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  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    So you've been gaining just over the past six days? I think it's too early to worry. Where are you in your cycle (if you have one).

    Also, are you counting calories?

    If you like eating lots of protein and you are struggling to balance your meals, are you sure keto is the right plan for you?
  • Holly_Wood_888
    Holly_Wood_888 Posts: 268 Member
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  • Holly_Wood_888
    Holly_Wood_888 Posts: 268 Member
    So you've been gaining just over the past six days? I think it's too early to worry. Where are you in your cycle (if you have one).

    Also, are you counting calories?

    If you like eating lots of protein and you are struggling to balance your meals, are you sure keto is the right plan for you?
    So you've been gaining just over the past six days? I think it's too early to worry. Where are you in your cycle (if you have one).

    I use a carb Ap that tracks everything . I actually struggle to hit 1100 calories while staying within the carb and protein restrictions . I did gain a pound on Sunday and a pound this morning 😔 I never thought eating 5oz of protein at each meal was eating too much ... I feel I need that much protein because my veggie count has to be so low ...

    I’m a bit frustrated because I’ve changed everything and I’m going backwards . No sugar, no alcohol, low carbs, tons of water and exercising 4-5 times a week... come on body !!! I want you to Burn my fat !!!
  • Holly_Wood_888
    Holly_Wood_888 Posts: 268 Member
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    Silly question ? What do you mean by cycle .
  • kgeyser
    kgeyser Posts: 22,505 Member
    Are you weighing your portions with a food scale?
  • Holly_Wood_888
    Holly_Wood_888 Posts: 268 Member
    kgeyser wrote: »
    Are you weighing your portions with a food scale?
    Yes I am
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
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    Silly question ? What do you mean by cycle .

    Do you have periods? Could this weight be related to where you are in your cycle?

    I typically gain temporary water weight when I ovulate and the week before I start my period.

  • Holly_Wood_888
    Holly_Wood_888 Posts: 268 Member
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    Silly question ? What do you mean by cycle .

    Do you have periods? Could this weight be related to where you are in your cycle?

    I typically gain temporary water weight when I ovulate and the week before I start my period.

    I did just finish ovulating ... won’t be having my period for about 11 days
  • Holly_Wood_888
    Holly_Wood_888 Posts: 268 Member
    edited July 2018
    kgeyser wrote: »
    Are you weighing your portions with a food scale?
    Yes I am

    It looks like you're logging things like "1/2 avocado" and butter by the tablespoon. Are these foods being weighed too?

    I am weighing everything - the exception is the avocado- I can start weighing that . I do measure olive oil/ butter using tbsp or tsp
  • Holly_Wood_888
    Holly_Wood_888 Posts: 268 Member
    Hi All, I started keto on June 25 - dropped 6lbs by July 4 and now I’m gaining .

    I’m a bit frustrated because I’ve changed everything and I’m going backwards . No sugar, no alcohol, low carbs, tons of water and exercising 4-5 times a week... come on body !!! I want you to Burn my fat !!!

    Weight loss doesn't happen over night. Stick to your plan for a few months. You will see results. Normal weight loss is 1-2 lbs/week. Sometimes less if you don't have much to lose. Think long term.

    Also, see the graph wolfman posted:
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    Going over on protein does not result in weight gain...and I'd hardly call 70 some odd grams of protein a lot. You're going to have all kinds of ups and downs when losing weight...you don't lose weight in a linear manner...weight loss looks like this...

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    ETA- also, keto and vegetarian seems wayyyyy to limiting. I would advise picking one or the other.

    Thank you for your insight, much appreciated . This is seemingly constricting as a vegetarian .
  • Holly_Wood_888
    Holly_Wood_888 Posts: 268 Member
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    Going over on protein does not result in weight gain...and I'd hardly call 70 some odd grams of protein a lot. You're going to have all kinds of ups and downs when losing weight...you don't lose weight in a linear manner...weight loss looks like this...

    weighttrendgraph1.gif

    Thankyou for this :)
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    kgeyser wrote: »
    Are you weighing your portions with a food scale?
    Yes I am

    It looks like you're logging things like "1/2 avocado" and butter by the tablespoon. Are these foods being weighed too?

    I am weighing everything - the exception is the avocado- I can start weighing that . I do measure olive oil/ butter using tbsp or tsp

    Yeah, I still think six days is too early to worry, but since you already have a scale it is a good idea to weigh calorie-dense foods like avocado and butter. I've found that avocados vary quite a bit in weight and "1/2 avocado" isn't a very useful measurement.
  • Holly_Wood_888
    Holly_Wood_888 Posts: 268 Member
    Hi All, I started keto on June 25 - dropped 6lbs by July 4 and now I’m gaining . I track all macros, I generally stay at 22 net carbs but struggle with eating too much protein ... on Saturday I indulged in cauliflower crust pizza with a lot of cheese - I was up 1lb on Sunday ... last night I had curried tofu and I am up another pound ...(over by 37g of protein yesterday)
    I am struggling to balance my meals as a vegetarian ... because keto also limits veggie intake (due to carbs) I am finding I only feel full eating a good amount of protein at each meal. I eat fish and eggs .... Looking for advice ... / help with vegetarian meal ideas .

    @Holly_Wood_888 it sounds like you are on track. Give it 365 days to get the hang of it. While I do some beef my main protein sources are eggs, tuna, nuts and mainly dairy products made from mainly the cream. Because of the nuts my daily carbs run around the 50 grams mark.

    I started seriously in Oct 2014 and did not lose even ONE pound of weight for the 1st 45 days but I was losing fat at the waist and face but not losing weight so measuring is important to see success.

    Getting enough protein may be your first concern since your sources are limited as you noted. Getting enough salt and magnesium was a huge problem for me for a while.

    I was not teasing abou needing a year to get any form of Keto figured out.

    Because of forty years of diet failure I took weight loss off of the table in Oct 2014 but after the end of the first year I had lost 50 pounds and it has automatically stayed off these last three years eating all that I want to stay full.

    Keto is based on biology more than simple math I found out over the past four years. The Keto range of macros work well to stop my cravings and therefore my binging. That started to happen in the first 30-90 days thankfully.

    Best of continued success. I was succeeding from the start but though I was failing due to the scales. If one is not losing pounds but pants keep falling down then that is success. :)

    Thanks for the encouragement ! I love hearing success stories 😁
  • Holly_Wood_888
    Holly_Wood_888 Posts: 268 Member
    kgeyser wrote: »
    Are you weighing your portions with a food scale?
    Yes I am

    It looks like you're logging things like "1/2 avocado" and butter by the tablespoon. Are these foods being weighed too?

    I am weighing everything - the exception is the avocado- I can start weighing that . I do measure olive oil/ butter using tbsp or tsp

    Yeah, I still think six days is too early to worry, but since you already have a scale it is a good idea to weigh calorie-dense foods like avocado and butter. I've found that avocados vary quite a bit in weight and "1/2 avocado" isn't a very useful measurement.

    Thanks for sharing , I will sit tight and see what happens ...
  • Holly_Wood_888
    Holly_Wood_888 Posts: 268 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    It's normal to see a quick and pretty big water weight drop at first on keto. It's also common after a larger water weight drop to have the scale level out for a bit as things re-adjust.

    After the gratifying scale drop up front due to water weight adjustment, there's nothing special about keto weight loss. If you're burning more calories than you're eating (whether you're counting calories or not), you'll lose stored body fat . . . usually pretty slowly.

    It's possible that you're actually in a calorie deficit and losing stored fat, but the weight loss is masked on the scale by water weight, either from general post-initial-drop re-adjustment, a new exercise program (muscle repair), time of month (could be anytime in the cycle), inflammation from some kind of healing (sunburn, minor infection, etc.), salt/sodium consumption, or various other reasons.

    That's why you need 4-6 weeks on a new regimen to see what your true average results are.

    On the other hand, after that initial water weight drop, you're subject to the problems that can affect anyone: Logging eating too loosely so lowballing the numbers, over-estimating exercise calories, etc. If you're not weighing calorie-dense things like avocados, oils, and butter, you could be way off there. Spoons are less accurate, more time-consuming, and create extra dishes to wash, so weighing those foods instead would be an all-round plus.

    It's not the protein: Extra protein won't make you gain weight, if your calories are correct. (If it did, I'd still be a fat vegetarian: Now in maintenance, I get 100g+ most days, and tended to be around 80g while losing.)

    Since you eat fish, I'd call that technically pescatarian rather than vegetarian, so that should give you more options. The meals you mention seem like fine things to eat, if they're hitting the right calorie level and contribute to good overall balanced nutrition.

    I've been ovo-lacto vegetarian for 44 years, but - with apologies - can't help with other meal ideas. I'm eating 200g+ carbs most days in maintenance, just as I did while losing, and rely heavily on legumes and dairy that has (inherent, not added) sugars - things like plain Greek yogurt and skimmed milk. Vegetarianism and keto are each slightly harder to manage than balanced-nutrition omnivorous eating, and there's no weight loss advantage to either, so I personally can't imagine combining them, but if those are your goals, I certainly support you in them.

    Best wishes!
    Thanks Anne ! Very insightful as always 😁 you rock
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
    You've been given sound advice, IMO. If you are accurately measuring your food and logging, you are probably losing fat which is masked by water weight.

    I found the scale can go up or down a few pounds every day, and I do get times where the scale seems to sit steady for longer than I'd like, but as long as you eat at a deficit, the scale will move down again.

    Did you take starting measurements or pictures? Sometimes that shows what is happening much better than the scale does.

    Best wishes.
  • Holly_Wood_888
    Holly_Wood_888 Posts: 268 Member
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    Why do you feel keto is a good fit for you? Do you have a medical reason to restrict carbs?

    If weight loss is your goal - that comes from a calorie deficit. You can achieve that eating keto, low carb, vegetarian, paleo, high carb, etc. it’s the calories that determine weight loss, not the carbs or protein.

    I do better on something strict as I have yo yoed my entire life. I seem to have control in a strict environment and not much control if I'm just trying to watch my weight.
    Its not that I think Keto is better than any other diet, I just thought I would try it, given the publicity , (as I gain weight very easily and it seems people are having a lot of success.)
    I ate vegan for four months and then vegetarian for a few, now I am pescatarian. I didn't lose weight eating like that, I love carbs to a fault.
  • Holly_Wood_888
    Holly_Wood_888 Posts: 268 Member
    Today I am down .8lb ... I made sure I didnt go over my protein limit. Tomorrow I will begin to use the weigh scale for butter and cocounut oil etc... I had no idea that measuring spoons werent accurate enough.
  • Holly_Wood_888
    Holly_Wood_888 Posts: 268 Member
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    You've been given sound advice, IMO. If you are accurately measuring your food and logging, you are probably losing fat which is masked by water weight.

    I found the scale can go up or down a few pounds every day, and I do get times where the scale seems to sit steady for longer than I'd like, but as long as you eat at a deficit, the scale will move down again.

    Did you take starting measurements or pictures? Sometimes that shows what is happening much better than the scale does.

    Best wishes.

    If I lose inches I will be very happy - definitely more important than the weigh scale, however, seeing the pounds come off, is always really encouraging in the beginning. I did take pictures, and I did measure my waist, which is the most important area where I need to lose it :)
  • nvmomketo
    nvmomketo Posts: 12,019 Member
    I think avoiding strict diets, at least those perceived as strict, is not a good idea for everyone. Sometimes eating the "right" foods us exactly what makes weight loss or better health achievable.

    I eat rice cakes or noodles in moderation I crave more and calorie moderation goes out the window. I limit carbs and avoid certain foods and calorie moderation becomes easy.

    A strict diet does not equal an eventual binge and loss of control for everyone.
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