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Fat Acceptance Movement
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I never said "fat shaming lowers insurance rates" or anything of the kind.fuzzylop72 wrote: »Even though I am more healthy and fit than the majority of the population (by various markers), my insurance rates go up to cover the costs of illnesses related to people being too fat. So yes, I will complain about it. If that "makes" them feel ashamed then that is on them, not me. Fat people are not a "protected class".
Fat shaming is super effective at lowering insurance rates
oh, wait...
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/oby.20891
I said I make my opinions known because fat people make me pay more for insurance.
Not the same thing.
Do you know what else doesn't lower insurance rates?
Being overweight and pretending it does not adversely effect your health and quality of life.
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I never said "fat shaming lowers insurance rates" or anything of the kind.fuzzylop72 wrote: »Even though I am more healthy and fit than the majority of the population (by various markers), my insurance rates go up to cover the costs of illnesses related to people being too fat. So yes, I will complain about it. If that "makes" them feel ashamed then that is on them, not me. Fat people are not a "protected class".
Fat shaming is super effective at lowering insurance rates
oh, wait...
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/oby.20891
I said I make my opinions known because fat people make me pay more for insurance.
Not the same thing.
Do you know what else doesn't lower insurance rates?
Being overweight and pretending it does not adversely effect your health and quality of life.
Evidence shows that making your feelings known in this way not only isn't effective motivation, but has the opposite effect making it less effective at lowering your rates than keeping your pie hole shut, so I don't understand why you would say anything if you indeed are concerned about your insurance rates.7 -
[Unpopular / politically-incorrect opinion warning]
When the mere lack of health and fitness for a given group due to overeating causes me to pay more and more every year for my health insurance then I will not be quiet about it and pretend it isn't happening. Period.
Even though I am more healthy and fit than the majority of the population (by various markers), my insurance rates go up to cover the costs of illnesses related to people being too fat. So yes, I will complain about it. If that "makes" them feel ashamed then that is on them, not me. Fat people are not a "protected class".
If you cannot fit through the corridors on a submarine (or are too fat to enlist in general) because you are overweight then you are too fat.
Note, that if you are too muscled-up they can find other roles for you.
But now it is becoming a matter of national security that much of the population is approaching the point where they will be unfit to serve in a time of crisis.
Call it what you want, but if you are that over-fat then everyone ends up paying for it eventually.
Don't just complain that you cannot fit in airplane seats or on the Harry Potter ride.
Recognize the real problem instead. Do your civic duty and lose weight.
I'm not going to feel sorry for you, nor should anyone else.
I would like to add to this...I have been battling smoking forever and in fact smoke very very little now so im happy about that...but SMOKERS HAVE BEEN SHAMED FOR YEARS AND YEARS..very openly...and for all the same reasons...cost to others - SO WHY NOT FAT PEOPLE? IM CONFUSED...
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I would like to add to this...I have been battling smoking forever and in fact smoke very very little now so im happy about that...but SMOKERS HAVE BEEN SHAMED FOR YEARS AND YEARS..very openly...and for all the same reasons...cost to others - SO WHY NOT FAT PEOPLE? IM CONFUSED...
Smoking, at least in enclosed areas, has health effects for more than just you. Otherwise, I don't care (I don't think i've ever commented on anyone's smoking, unless they were smoking near me).3 -
If it's an excuse to stay fat and unhealthy then um no. and lets face the facts. people latch on to stuff like this and never dig in to find out what the intend of it truly is. I"m not skinny i'm not obese but I am healthy and I should love myself. Yes. but in loving myself I want to be the best version of myself possible. I want to help my kids practice their sports, I want to hike with them, I want to play with them. I don't want to be tired and lazy and not be able to enjoy life.
If that's your excuse because you have no willpower or drive whatever. It's not ok. it's not ok to teach our children this. teach them that loving their bodies means taking care of them. social media (hell news media) covers this stuff and spreads it out to the masses. Tells them that it's ok to be fat and unhealthy. well it isn't. Love yourself enough to better yourself, to take care of yourself.7 -
JustKeepTryin wrote: »If it's an excuse to stay fat and unhealthy then um no. and lets face the facts. people latch on to stuff like this and never dig in to find out what the intend of it truly is. I"m not skinny i'm not obese but I am healthy and I should love myself. Yes. but in loving myself I want to be the best version of myself possible. I want to help my kids practice their sports, I want to hike with them, I want to play with them. I don't want to be tired and lazy and not be able to enjoy life.
If that's your excuse because you have no willpower or drive whatever. It's not ok. it's not ok to teach our children this. teach them that loving their bodies means taking care of them. social media (hell news media) covers this stuff and spreads it out to the masses. Tells them that it's ok to be fat and unhealthy. well it isn't. Love yourself enough to better yourself, to take care of yourself.
When you say the news media tells children it's okay to be fat and it's okay to be unhealthy, what are you referring to?
I've seen certain accounts on social media promote fat acceptance (I've also seen certain accounts counter it). I'm not sure I've seen the same sort of content in more mainstream news media or journalism.2 -
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Media and fat acceptance:
The fat lady making bologna sandwiches for her family to go to the game. The commercial is actually about an arthritis med I believe, she says something like "Watch me", like she won't let the arthritis stop her. I'm pretty sure sitting on your *kitten* eating bologna and cheese sandwiches isn't going to help your size or your arthritis. Another example is the one where that little fat kid is talking about how smooth he is... as he's eating peanut butter by the spoon full out of the jar. Although there is no real proof we pretty much know that childhood obesity increases with the number of hours a kid spends in front of the TV. Ads geared toward kids with cool colors, characters, prizes and toys... plus the hours spent "sitting" in front of the TV. If you look back about 10 years ago many, if not all of the celebrities, TV commercial actors and actresses and models were waif thin, and getting thinner. If you compare it to the same media today, everyone is fat, or as they like to call it... Fluffy, bulking, strong <--- all made up labels for what it really is: Fat. Even clothes shopping has become an issue for anyone under a size 4. Macy's smallest size is a 4 and when I questioned the sales-woman about it, she said they decided to stock their stores with a majority of sizes ranging between 10-18 and plus... because "That's how women are these days". The whole "Strong is the new skinny" campaign... it's everywhere! Hey, I am all for being strong but guess what, you can be skinny AND strong. You DON'T have to get fat to build muscle (old school bulk/prep). How many overweight people today went through the gluten free, no carb, Atkins, South Beach, just eat a bowl of Special K as a meal replacement phase? How many of those people gained it all back and then some? How many people remember Twiggy? Waif thin anorexic super model... everyone in the world wanted to look like her and many women died to get that skinny. So what happens when that style comes back around and we've got a world full of obese people who want to all of a sudden get down to a size 2?1 -
cushman5279 wrote: »Media and fat acceptance:
The fat lady making bologna sandwiches for her family to go to the game. The commercial is actually about an arthritis med I believe, she says something like "Watch me", like she won't let the arthritis stop her. I'm pretty sure sitting on your *kitten* eating bologna and cheese sandwiches isn't going to help your size or your arthritis. Another example is the one where that little fat kid is talking about how smooth he is... as he's eating peanut butter by the spoon full out of the jar. Although there is no real proof we pretty much know that childhood obesity increases with the number of hours a kid spends in front of the TV. Ads geared toward kids with cool colors, characters, prizes and toys... plus the hours spent "sitting" in front of the TV. If you look back about 10 years ago many, if not all of the celebrities, TV commercial actors and actresses and models were waif thin, and getting thinner. If you compare it to the same media today, everyone is fat, or as they like to call it... Fluffy, bulking, strong <--- all made up labels for what it really is: Fat. Even clothes shopping has become an issue for anyone under a size 4. Macy's smallest size is a 4 and when I questioned the sales-woman about it, she said they decided to stock their stores with a majority of sizes ranging between 10-18 and plus... because "That's how women are these days". The whole "Strong is the new skinny" campaign... it's everywhere! Hey, I am all for being strong but guess what, you can be skinny AND strong. You DON'T have to get fat to build muscle (old school bulk/prep). How many overweight people today went through the gluten free, no carb, Atkins, South Beach, just eat a bowl of Special K as a meal replacement phase? How many of those people gained it all back and then some? How many people remember Twiggy? Waif thin anorexic super model... everyone in the world wanted to look like her and many women died to get that skinny. So what happens when that style comes back around and we've got a world full of obese people who want to all of a sudden get down to a size 2?
"Bulking" and "strong" are made up labels for fat? That'll be news to some fit people I know.
Some people in ads are fat. I don't know if that is the same thing as an explicit message that being fat or unhealthy is okay. Acknowledging that someone exists in order to sell products is a long-time feature of advertising. If I see an ad featuring someone with a messy house or financial problems or cancer or seeking representation in an upcoming DUI case, I'm assuming that they are ads targeted to people in those demographics, not the media trying to tell me that it would be great to be on house release pending my DUI sentencing in my slovenly house that is about to be foreclosed upon while stressing about my upcoming chemo.
Ten years ago most celebrities were very thin. I think it's still the case today that most of them are.5 -
fuzzylop72 wrote: »I would like to add to this...I have been battling smoking forever and in fact smoke very very little now so im happy about that...but SMOKERS HAVE BEEN SHAMED FOR YEARS AND YEARS..very openly...and for all the same reasons...cost to others - SO WHY NOT FAT PEOPLE? IM CONFUSED...
Smoking, at least in enclosed areas, has health effects for more than just you. Otherwise, I don't care (I don't think i've ever commented on anyone's smoking, unless they were smoking near me).
The point is, there isn't a "smokers acceptance movement" because everyone knows smoking is unhealthy. In the same respect, people are trying to make the point that there shouldn't be a fat acceptance movement for the same reasons. People keep trying to move the goalposts on this debate and say that obese people shouldn't be fat shamed. I haven't seen anybody in this thread claim they should be, only that there shouldn't be a movement promoting something that is clearly unhealthy.3 -
fuzzylop72 wrote: »Smoking, at least in enclosed areas, has health effects for more than just you. Otherwise, I don't care (I don't think i've ever commented on anyone's smoking, unless they were smoking near me).
The point is, there isn't a "smokers acceptance movement" because everyone knows smoking is unhealthy. In the same respect, people are trying to make the point that there shouldn't be a fat acceptance movement for the same reasons. People keep trying to move the goalposts on this debate and say that obese people shouldn't be fat shamed. I haven't seen anybody in this thread claim they should be, only that there shouldn't be a movement promoting something that is clearly unhealthy.
There's no "smokers acceptance movement" because smoking was accepted for decades and still is. 37.8 million Americans smoke. You can buy a pack pretty much anywhere. There are ashtrays all over the place. Take a walk around anywhere and look at the ground, no doubt you'll see cigarette butts sprinkled all over. The fat acceptance movement or body positivity or whatever you want to call it, exists so different body types can gain basic representation. It's not an attack on thin, fit, healthy, athletic people or "healthy" values, it's just a movement to say "Hey, we see lots of fit people everywhere all the time in the media, on tv, in movies, but fat people exist too." We see people smoking in movies, in ads, on television and we don't say that Don Draper and Kramer and Holly Golightly promoted "unhealthy" behaviors. We know smoking's unhealthy but it's ingrained in our culture, it's not filtered out. Why shouldn't fat people have the same omnipresence? Most Americans are overweight, why's it filtered out? What's the problem with fashion, tv, movies, showing a more accurate portrait of our reality? It's not telling anyone to be a certain way, it's saying some of us already are that way. It's holding a mirror to reality, it's not altering reality and preaching "everyone should be obese!" It's just a way for people to say "Hey, I just happen to be this way and I exist, too and I deserve to be seen, too and I'm worthy of respect, too."13 -
I like my women curvy, 1940's style, of course this movement has usurped the term to now mean morbidly obese. The funny thing i see with this movement is they say we should accept overweight people but yet not a one of these women want to date an overweight guy. Typical liberal double standards. Personally I want to be called out for being fat because I'm going to do something about it. I am not unhealthy at my size now, but am i as healthy as a 200lb version of myself? I seriously doubt it.9
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LouisTamsi wrote: »I like my women curvy, 1940's style, of course this movement has usurped the term to now mean morbidly obese. The funny thing i see with this movement is they say we should accept overweight people but yet not a one of these women want to date an overweight guy. Typical liberal double standards. Personally I want to be called out for being fat because I'm going to do something about it. I am not unhealthy at my size now, but am i as healthy as a 200lb version of myself? I seriously doubt it.
Typical people/person/man/woman double standards. Political or religious inclination or affiliation has nothing to do with it.9 -
LouisTamsi wrote: »I like my women curvy, 1940's style, of course this movement has usurped the term to now mean morbidly obese. The funny thing i see with this movement is they say we should accept overweight people but yet not a one of these women want to date an overweight guy. Typical liberal double standards. Personally I want to be called out for being fat because I'm going to do something about it. I am not unhealthy at my size now, but am i as healthy as a 200lb version of myself? I seriously doubt it.
Are you really saying that women don't want to date "an overweight guy"... or are you saying they don't want to date you? Sorry if that's mean, but your generalization seems like it's just a blanket statement that you tell yourself to make sense of your world, but it certainly isn't based in reality. Just an unsolicited suggestion but...you could try liking "your women" for their personalities instead of their curves, to start, if you're having trouble getting a date.
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fuzzylop72 wrote: »Smoking, at least in enclosed areas, has health effects for more than just you. Otherwise, I don't care (I don't think i've ever commented on anyone's smoking, unless they were smoking near me).
The point is, there isn't a "smokers acceptance movement" because everyone knows smoking is unhealthy. In the same respect, people are trying to make the point that there shouldn't be a fat acceptance movement for the same reasons. People keep trying to move the goalposts on this debate and say that obese people shouldn't be fat shamed. I haven't seen anybody in this thread claim they should be, only that there shouldn't be a movement promoting something that is clearly unhealthy.
There's no "smokers acceptance movement" because smoking was accepted for decades and still is. 37.8 million Americans smoke. You can buy a pack pretty much anywhere. There are ashtrays all over the place. Take a walk around anywhere and look at the ground, no doubt you'll see cigarette butts sprinkled all over. The fat acceptance movement or body positivity or whatever you want to call it, exists so different body types can gain basic representation. It's not an attack on thin, fit, healthy, athletic people or "healthy" values, it's just a movement to say "Hey, we see lots of fit people everywhere all the time in the media, on tv, in movies, but fat people exist too." We see people smoking in movies, in ads, on television and we don't say that Don Draper and Kramer and Holly Golightly promoted "unhealthy" behaviors. We know smoking's unhealthy but it's ingrained in our culture, it's not filtered out. Why shouldn't fat people have the same omnipresence? Most Americans are overweight, why's it filtered out? What's the problem with fashion, tv, movies, showing a more accurate portrait of our reality? It's not telling anyone to be a certain way, it's saying some of us already are that way. It's holding a mirror to reality, it's not altering reality and preaching "everyone should be obese!" It's just a way for people to say "Hey, I just happen to be this way and I exist, too and I deserve to be seen, too and I'm worthy of respect, too."
Smoking is still accepted? Are you kidding me? It has been banned in almost all public places, is taxed heavily, and smokers are now having to pay higher insurance premiums. There is a big reason that smoking has been on the decline over the last decade and it most certainly is not because it has been accepted. We are all aware that fat people exist too, but just as smoking is discouraged because of its negative effect on health, obesity should be discouraged as well. Nobody is filtering out fat people, but to be honest I would hope that society would be smarter than to just accept obesity as the norm. That is like saying we should accept sub par test scores from our children, or accept that all politicians are crooked and do nothing about it. Why would we not try to hold people to a higher standard especially when health is involved. Obesity is a national health epidemic and saying that we should just accept it so we don't hurt anyone's feelings is absurd. Everyone should love themselves regardless of size, but that doesn't mean that we should never strive to improve in the areas we are deficient.5 -
LouisTamsi wrote: »I like my women curvy, 1940's style, of course this movement has usurped the term to now mean morbidly obese. The funny thing i see with this movement is they say we should accept overweight people but yet not a one of these women want to date an overweight guy. Typical liberal double standards. Personally I want to be called out for being fat because I'm going to do something about it. I am not unhealthy at my size now, but am i as healthy as a 200lb version of myself? I seriously doubt it.
The term morbidly obese was not created by any movement, it is a medical term to indicate that a person is 100lbs over their ideal body weight, or has a BMI of 40 or more. I fail to see how your failure to attract a woman has anything to do with liberals or politics in general. You may not believe that you would be healthier at a lower weight, but there is all sorts of science to refute that thought. Its probably that damn liberal science though...
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I've not read through the 72 pages of replies ... sorry... but here is my thought.
While Fat Shaming or any other kind of Shaming is not acceptable, I worry about what I call Fat Normalisation.
I can see from my office window the amount of overweight people out there, and it can be very easy to think you are not becoming unhealthy / obese because you are the smallest person in your group. I can see it with groups of school children, and I think it is commonly seen in families.
It is an incredibly tricky problem, and I don't believe there is a simple answer.9 -
LouisTamsi wrote: »I like my women curvy, 1940's style, of course this movement has usurped the term to now mean morbidly obese. The funny thing i see with this movement is they say we should accept overweight people but yet not a one of these women want to date an overweight guy. Typical liberal double standards. Personally I want to be called out for being fat because I'm going to do something about it. I am not unhealthy at my size now, but am i as healthy as a 200lb version of myself? I seriously doubt it.
Not a single one of them wants to date an overweight guy? Not even one?
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Are you really saying that women don't want to date "an overweight guy"... or are you saying they don't want to date you? Sorry if that's mean, but your generalization seems like it's just a blanket statement that you tell yourself to make sense of your world, but it certainly isn't based in reality. Just an unsolicited suggestion but...you could try liking "your women" for their personalities instead of their curves, to start, if you're having trouble getting a date.
Back when I was single it was me and my overweight friends and for the record I do look for personality, my statement was in response to the fat acceptance movement. Also for the record I'm married so I only have to answer to my wife now. And yes it is mean, everyone views the world from their point of view, I can't step into you and see the world as you see it or vice versa.The term morbidly obese was not created by any movement, it is a medical term to indicate that a person is 100lbs over their ideal body weight, or has a BMI of 40 or more. I fail to see how your failure to attract a woman has anything to do with liberals or politics in general. You may not believe that you would be healthier at a lower weight, but there is all sorts of science to refute that thought. Its probably that damn liberal science though...
Your statement says you didn't comprehend what I said. Nowhere did I say that the term was created out of a movement and if you re-read my statement you will see that I indeed said I would be healthier at 200 than I am now which is why I am losing weight.janejellyroll wrote: »Not a single one of them wants to date an overweight guy? Not even one?
Curious to know how you determined this.
Personal experience and that of my overweight friends. I can't speak to their motivations but I always looked at personality.
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LouisTamsi wrote: »Are you really saying that women don't want to date "an overweight guy"... or are you saying they don't want to date you? Sorry if that's mean, but your generalization seems like it's just a blanket statement that you tell yourself to make sense of your world, but it certainly isn't based in reality. Just an unsolicited suggestion but...you could try liking "your women" for their personalities instead of their curves, to start, if you're having trouble getting a date.
Back when I was single it was me and my overweight friends and for the record I do look for personality, my statement was in response to the fat acceptance movement. Also for the record I'm married so I only have to answer to my wife now.The term morbidly obese was not created by any movement, it is a medical term to indicate that a person is 100lbs over their ideal body weight, or has a BMI of 40 or more. I fail to see how your failure to attract a woman has anything to do with liberals or politics in general. You may not believe that you would be healthier at a lower weight, but there is all sorts of science to refute that thought. Its probably that damn liberal science though...
Your statement says you didn't comprehend what I said. Nowhere did I say that the term was created out of a movement and if you re read my statement you will see that I indeed said I would be healthier at 200 than I am now which is why I am losing weight.janejellyroll wrote: »Not a single one of them wants to date an overweight guy? Not even one?
Curious to know how you determined this.
Personal experience and that of my overweight friends and no we weren't "fishing in the wrong pond" as it were. I can't speak to their motivations but I always looked at personality.
This assumes that you and your friends are so universally appealing to women that, but for your weight, nobody could possibly have a reason to reject you. But that type of man doesn't exist -- in the real world, even great guys sometimes don't appeal to individual women and get rejected.
I would submit that if none of the women in the fat acceptance movement want to date your or your friends, there may be another factor in play. Why do I think that? Because I know several women who would consider themselves advocates of fat acceptance who have happily dated overweight and obese men and women. Some of them even claim to prefer partners who are overweight.
Even if it's true that these women you and your friends have encountered are hypocritical in this regard, you realize you've only personally encountered a very small portion of those who would consider themselves to be part of this movement, right? To draw such a wide conclusion based on your personal experiences is unfounded.
You say that you can't speak to their motivations. But when you accuse every woman in this group of having "typical liberal double standards," you're assigning a motivation to them.10 -
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This assumes that you and your friends are so universally appealing to women that, but for your weight, nobody could possibly have a reason to reject you. But that type of man doesn't exist -- in the real world, even great guys sometimes don't appeal to individual women and get rejected.
I would submit that if none of the women in the fat acceptance movement want to date your or your friends, there may be another factor in play. Why do I think that? Because I know several women who would consider themselves advocates of fat acceptance who have happily dated overweight and obese men and women. Some of them even claim to prefer partners who are overweight.
Even if it's true that these women you and your friends have encountered are hypocritical in this regard, you realize you've only personally encountered a very small portion of those who would consider themselves to be part of this movement, right? To draw such a wide conclusion based on your personal experiences is unfounded.
You say that you can't speak to their motivations. But when you accuse every woman in this group of having "typical liberal double standards," you're assigning a motivation to them.
I give up!
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LouisTamsi wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
This assumes that you and your friends are so universally appealing to women that, but for your weight, nobody could possibly have a reason to reject you. But that type of man doesn't exist -- in the real world, even great guys sometimes don't appeal to individual women and get rejected.
I would submit that if none of the women in the fat acceptance movement want to date your or your friends, there may be another factor in play. Why do I think that? Because I know several women who would consider themselves advocates of fat acceptance who have happily dated overweight and obese men and women. Some of them even claim to prefer partners who are overweight.
Even if it's true that these women you and your friends have encountered are hypocritical in this regard, you realize you've only personally encountered a very small portion of those who would consider themselves to be part of this movement, right? To draw such a wide conclusion based on your personal experiences is unfounded.
You say that you can't speak to their motivations. But when you accuse every woman in this group of having "typical liberal double standards," you're assigning a motivation to them.
I give up!
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LouisTamsi wrote: »Are you really saying that women don't want to date "an overweight guy"... or are you saying they don't want to date you? Sorry if that's mean, but your generalization seems like it's just a blanket statement that you tell yourself to make sense of your world, but it certainly isn't based in reality. Just an unsolicited suggestion but...you could try liking "your women" for their personalities instead of their curves, to start, if you're having trouble getting a date.
Back when I was single it was me and my overweight friends and for the record I do look for personality, my statement was in response to the fat acceptance movement. Also for the record I'm married so I only have to answer to my wife now. And yes it is mean, everyone views the world from their point of view, I can't step into you and see the world as you see it or vice versa.The term morbidly obese was not created by any movement, it is a medical term to indicate that a person is 100lbs over their ideal body weight, or has a BMI of 40 or more. I fail to see how your failure to attract a woman has anything to do with liberals or politics in general. You may not believe that you would be healthier at a lower weight, but there is all sorts of science to refute that thought. Its probably that damn liberal science though...
Your statement says you didn't comprehend what I said. Nowhere did I say that the term was created out of a movement and if you re-read my statement you will see that I indeed said I would be healthier at 200 than I am now which is why I am losing weight.
janejellyroll wrote: »Not a single one of them wants to date an overweight guy? Not even one?
Curious to know how you determined this.
Personal experience and that of my overweight friends. I can't speak to their motivations but I always looked at personality.
You do realize that your previous posts are still posted and everyone can see what you said right? I am going to Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V specific aspects of your post which is just 4 or 5 posts above this to try to make this as clear as possible.
You say "Nowhere did I say that the term was created out of a movement"
What you said word for word was "I like my women curvy, 1940's style, of course this movement has usurped the term to now mean morbidly obese.
Please explain to me how the bolded statement above doesn't say what you say it doesn't say. Your first post claims the movement has created the term then you say you never said the term was created out of a movement. Which one is it Louis?
I said the term morbidly obese was a medical term which it absolutely is, but yet, your response is to claim you didn't say what you clearly did say on the same page of the thread of what you said?
For your own personal reference, there is a scroll bar on the right hand side of the computer screen, and that gives us the ability to scroll both up and down on specific pages on a post. Because we have that ability,we can review previous posts, and it may be wiser for you not to claim that we didnt say stuff that we clearly did just to try to save face.
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LouisTamsi wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
This assumes that you and your friends are so universally appealing to women that, but for your weight, nobody could possibly have a reason to reject you. But that type of man doesn't exist -- in the real world, even great guys sometimes don't appeal to individual women and get rejected.
I would submit that if none of the women in the fat acceptance movement want to date your or your friends, there may be another factor in play. Why do I think that? Because I know several women who would consider themselves advocates of fat acceptance who have happily dated overweight and obese men and women. Some of them even claim to prefer partners who are overweight.
Even if it's true that these women you and your friends have encountered are hypocritical in this regard, you realize you've only personally encountered a very small portion of those who would consider themselves to be part of this movement, right? To draw such a wide conclusion based on your personal experiences is unfounded.
You say that you can't speak to their motivations. But when you accuse every woman in this group of having "typical liberal double standards," you're assigning a motivation to them.
I give up!
Yeah, I'd give up too if I was you at this point, because Jane just owned you. There isn't any way for you to come up with an intelligent reply besides claiming all women are lesbians. Good luck though Louis.15 -
Being a heavy girl myself I have two comments.
I don't think being severely overweight should be glorified and accepted. It is generally unhealthy and people should strive to be their own version of healthy. I know I'm overweight, and so I'm doing something about it, because it's a healthy thing to do.
Having said that, I don't think weight in general should be the deciding factor on what makes a person worthy though. So in some ways, an acceptance for all is worth while, and a noble intention.
I don't think being a little overweight is the worst thing in the world, but once you get to the point where mobility is difficult.. it should be an overdue warning sign that you need to pull yourself together.
I wouldn't lie about what it is. Being morbidly obese is unhealthy and shouldn't be glorified, but there are other things that the world should seek in friendship/relationships in general, and that's the person themselves; Not just their physical appearance.
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I think there has to be responsibility around it. You can be a work in progress, happy with yourself and your efforts, knowing that you are making personal strides to better yourself. But, I find it offensive (and damaging) to suggest that people who are fat are (or should be) happy with their bodies. "I'm fat and I'm fabulous"! No..sorry. I don't buy that. Not only are they lying to themselves (I have been fat forever and have had many, many fat friends. Trust me, if you're fat, you're not happy. I'm not talking 20 pounds overweight, either.) I think there is a way to promote self-love with acknowledging that we all have our personal bests, and all have work to do to become better. I think in many ways it glamorizes being fat, and by proxy infers that there is no need to become less fat (aka healthy).6
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eileen0515 wrote: »All these acceptance movements are the result of everyone gets a trophy. When did we become a society when nobody should ever feel bad? It's never okay to to be cruel or unkind, ever. But this getting ridiculous.
Wrong. The acceptance movements and other movements are a result of people being treated like garbage over long periods of time.
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