Has anyone tried keto?!

chelseamj91 wrote: »

So my step mother and a few friends have actually lost tons of weight by doing keto! My problem is that I’m a vegetarian so I’m not sure if keto would really work for me? I haven’t looked too much into it. Thought I’d check here and see if anyone has any success stories or if there are any vegetarian ways of doing it!

Pros are obviously multiple people I know personally who it’s worked for!

Cons the whole only fat thing has me sort of skeptical because I love fresh veggies and salads (again I haven’t looked too much into it I’m not sure how it all works or why I can eat)


My family and I have been talking about it lately anyone have any advice?

I’ve been doing the cabbage soup diet and it’s been GREAT for me! Although it’s not exactly a long term type of diet and I’m looking for a lifestyle change something that I can really commit to!

TIA!!

-chels

I do indeed follow Keto. And, I love it. I do this, for full disclosure, because of high A1C. I love carbs...really do...but they are not so kind to this guy!

I will suggest this, though. It is not the diet - no matter what it is called - that creates weight loss. It is eating in a caloric deficit. Plain and simple. All of the "diet" stuff is simple a way to help you to maintain your caloric deficit. So, I would suggest that you find something that works for you....point blank and period.

Now, I must be doing something wrong because I eat at least three salads a day. I just put on some amazing and fatty salad dressing (think blue cheese or sweet idalia onion or whatever) and go to town. I will also out some New York Sharp Cheddar Cheese on it, some boiled eggs on it...some sliced boiled eggs on it...

And, I do eat veggies. Usually, when I do have "veggies" I will eat brocholli or asparagus. I do not eat veggies every day....but likely five out of seven days.

The thing about Keto that is so difficult (let's be honest....cutting down to 20g of Carbs a day *CAN* be tough) is that it is so restrictive. It is possible to consume - depending on the type of Keto that you are following (there are - and I believe that most people would agree with this - four types of Keto....when most people talk about Keto, per - se, then they are likely talking about the Standard Ketogenic Diet. That is the 20g of Carbs...roughly....or, 75% of your calories come from Fats, 20% come from Protein and that 5% come from Carbs).

I might suggest that you - as I have said a few times in this post - find what works for you. This is all about sustainability. This is all about compliance. This is all about "healthy". I mean, if you can follow a way of eating that you absolutely HATE but you force yourself to follow that way of eating because it works then I would suggest that eventually you will "fail" and that what you have been doing was unhealthy.

Does this make sense?

It's information hidden on keto is why I cringe when it comes to the keto movement and diets in general. A lot of people join that diet based on partial information (like in this case) or just wrong information and it's too bad. Too much importance is given to diets which is why I follow no diet in particular other than eating a balanced diet that hits my macros, fiber goal and micronutrients. Specific diets (like keto, paleo, atkins..) is only if you struggle with discipline or have health issues, then they can be usefull to help you acheive your goal. In the end, calories is king.

nvmomketo wrote: »

amusedmonkey wrote: »

@nvmomketo I understand where you're coming from, but it's important that we pick our words carefully with new dieters. Suggesting that keto often leads to better health more often than not translates into "keto is the best diet for health for everyone" because new dieters lack the information nuances to make non-binary conclusions. This is especially important when OP states a preference for a diet that isn't very compatible with keto and would feel pressured to eat in a way they don't enjoy and can't sustain because they think it's "better for you". Providing concise information that sets people up for success is better, regardless of our own dieting practices and preferences.

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To OP:
People lose weight by eating fewer calories than they burn. This happens on every single diet that you can imagine that works for someone. Keto has the added factor of quick water weight loss, which is why your stepmother and friends lost "a ton of weight". Any weight lost beyond that is simply because they ate fewer calories than they burned. If at any point they decide to stop doing keto, a lot of that water weight will come back within a few days.

Finding a "lifestyle" is not a single choice you commit to, it's a process of trial and error and investigation to find which eating practices you find pleasant and sustainable. Keep in mind that your results will likely be slower than on any crash diet you've been on, which is a good thing, because you want to lose weight in a healthy sustainable way. Here is a good "diet" to try for starters, after which you may feel more confident to customize things to your liking.

https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10636388/free-customized-personal-weight-loss-eating-plan-not-spam-or-mlm

I did pick my words carefully. I wrote

nvmomketo wrote: »

The Low Carber Daily MFP group's mods put together a GREAT collection of links for vegetarians in their Launch pad. This is a bunch of it:

Non-Dairy Keto
Maria Emmerich
http://www.healthfulpursuit.com/
http://thenourishedcaveman.com/ (also Paleo)

Vegan Keto
https://www.reddit.com/r/veganketo
http://www.healthfulpursuit.com/2015/04/video-low-carb-vegan-keto-plant-based/
http://veganhealth.org/
http://ketomotive.com/vegan-ketogenic-diet/
http://www.theketogenicdiet.org/low-carb-dieting-for-vegetarians-and-vegans-is-it-possible/
http://healthygamergirl.com/
http://www.theveganrd.com/

Vegetarian Keto
https://www.dietdoctor.com/new-vegetarian-meal-plan
https://www.dietdoctor.com/vegetarian-low-carb-keto-inspiration
https://www.reddit.com/r/vegetarianketo
http://ketodietapp.com/Blog/post/2015/07/05/2-week-vegetarian-keto-diet-plan
http://vegetarianketo.blogspot.com/
http://ketodietapp.com/Blog/post/2015/05/27/81-delicious-savory-low-carb-vegetarian-recipes
https://vegetarianketo.wordpress.com/

Keto is tougher when no meat is included, but it is doable if you want to try it.

For weight loss, the main benefits are usually a decreased appetite and often better health (which tends to make weight management easier). A calorie deficit is still needed for weight loss.

There is nothing in there known to be false. Keto is just as effective as a higher carb diet for weight loss and it can improve health for some people.

I later added that it is not the best or the only way to lose weight or gain health. That's pretty noncommittal. No promises of magic or regrown limbs. I provided information so the OP could make up their own mind. I believe I said vegetarian keto is tougher. Some members just seem to like to pick at replies that are not pro-moderation. It was my mistake for responding earlier.

But you didn't say for some people. You said for many. Big difference. I wouldn't have picked up on it if you said some. Many gives the impression of wide spread benefits for the general population. It is a false impression without more specifics as to who the "many" are and why it helps them.

It comes across and confirmation bias propaganda. Not just to me. You've gotten fairly consistent and widespread pushback about that. It appears you can't see through your bias to recognize that.

So, as far as you can demonstrate, keto can improve health for some not many. And I will again invite you to submit proof sources if you disagree with that.

nvmomketo wrote: »

WinoGelato wrote: »

nvmomketo wrote: »

WinoGelato wrote: »

nvmomketo wrote: »

mmapags wrote: »

nvmomketo wrote: »

The Low Carber Daily MFP group's mods put together a GREAT collection of links for vegetarians in their Launch pad. This is a bunch of it:

Non-Dairy Keto
Maria Emmerich
http://www.healthfulpursuit.com/
http://thenourishedcaveman.com/ (also Paleo)

Vegan Keto
https://www.reddit.com/r/veganketo
http://www.healthfulpursuit.com/2015/04/video-low-carb-vegan-keto-plant-based/
http://veganhealth.org/
http://ketomotive.com/vegan-ketogenic-diet/
http://www.theketogenicdiet.org/low-carb-dieting-for-vegetarians-and-vegans-is-it-possible/
http://healthygamergirl.com/
http://www.theveganrd.com/

Vegetarian Keto
https://www.dietdoctor.com/new-vegetarian-meal-plan
https://www.dietdoctor.com/vegetarian-low-carb-keto-inspiration
https://www.reddit.com/r/vegetarianketo
http://ketodietapp.com/Blog/post/2015/07/05/2-week-vegetarian-keto-diet-plan
http://vegetarianketo.blogspot.com/
http://ketodietapp.com/Blog/post/2015/05/27/81-delicious-savory-low-carb-vegetarian-recipes
https://vegetarianketo.wordpress.com/

Keto is tougher when no meat is included, but it is doable if you want to try it.

For weight loss, the main benefits are usually a decreased appetite and often better health (which tends to make weight management easier). A calorie deficit is still needed for weight loss.

The rest of what you said is true. However, the bolded is editorial comment. If you have proof in terms of a meta analysis or multiple studies and scholarly please post them but I believe we have had this conversation before and that statement boils down to your opinion for an otherwise healthy individual.

For some reason you object to a Ketogenic diet being healthful? I'm not saying that it is the only way to gain better health, nor did I say it was the best way. It Is a diet that can lead to better health for people with insulin resistance (diabetes, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD and Alzheimer's, as well as the associated CVD) and it can help some with treating some chronic health problems like some autoimmune issues, epilepsy, brain injury, etc. That's not just opinion.

When people are healthy, it helps with weight management. Thats been seen to be true too.

Again, I did not say keto was best, or the only way. It is just one way for some to achieve weight loss and some better health. I said, "for weight loss, the main benefits are usually a decreased appetite and often better health (which tends to make weight management easier)."

I don't keep meta analysis bookmarked to show strangers on the interwebz that better health can make weight management easier or that keto is able to make improvements in some people's health.

often better health suggests that anyone who does a keto diet could see and is likely to see health improvements. Are you saying those health benefits would begin even if a person does not have insulin resistance?

For some, yes.

How would you differentiate the health benefits of keto from those resulting from weight loss alone?

If there is a benefit without weight loss, then you know. Improved BG control is common even without weight loss.

Why do you think the health benefits make weight management easier and not the other way around?

It can work the other way around too. I did not say it could not.

So the “some” people who might experience better health as a result of the diet are those who have Insulun Resistance. Why not mention that detail when you say “often leads to health improvements for those who are IR. By leaving off this important detail it suggests to people like the OP, or anyone who is considering the diet for weight loss because of all the hype they hear IRL, that they will experience it. The OP mentioned nothing of a medical condition that suggests low carb may provide benefits to that condition - but the vague and sweeping generalization of “often better health” sounds tempting for anyone.

Again, it is the unproven claims of miracle cures, vague “better health” and the suggestion that keto/IR negates the news for a calorie deficit that will always get challenged. It just doesn’t do the keto community who do have legit reasons and good success with the diet a favor when the overzealous claims imply benefits that won’t happen, and will invite challenges from those who know this is an overstatement.

Or epilepsy or some autoimmune diseases or some with IBS or some with migraines or some with developmental delays. Not just IR. It can help some people with some health problems even if it is just with reduced appetite to help with weight management if weight loss helps their health. Other diets can help too. They may even help more. I'm not making any grand claims here. Just offering information on the possible benefits, as

These claims are not unusual, nor guaranteed, and many are proven in trials, but I'm not bothering to search for them for you.

The OP asked for the success stories. I said what it could help with, gave info on the diet and then added that it would be tough. I'm going to assume the OP is a grown up who will look into the information given and decide what is best for her. You too can offer information, or more of your opinion, and the OP can use what info you offer as well.

So, in a nutshell, you can repeatedly afford to take the time to make these claims on every keto thread that pops up, yet, when asked to substantiate the source of these "proven trials" you simply can't be bothered.

Gotcha.

mmapags wrote: »

nvmomketo wrote: »

WinoGelato wrote: »

nvmomketo wrote: »

WinoGelato wrote: »

nvmomketo wrote: »

mmapags wrote: »

nvmomketo wrote: »

The Low Carber Daily MFP group's mods put together a GREAT collection of links for vegetarians in their Launch pad. This is a bunch of it:

Non-Dairy Keto
Maria Emmerich
http://www.healthfulpursuit.com/
http://thenourishedcaveman.com/ (also Paleo)

Vegan Keto
https://www.reddit.com/r/veganketo
http://www.healthfulpursuit.com/2015/04/video-low-carb-vegan-keto-plant-based/
http://veganhealth.org/
http://ketomotive.com/vegan-ketogenic-diet/
http://www.theketogenicdiet.org/low-carb-dieting-for-vegetarians-and-vegans-is-it-possible/
http://healthygamergirl.com/
http://www.theveganrd.com/

Vegetarian Keto
https://www.dietdoctor.com/new-vegetarian-meal-plan
https://www.dietdoctor.com/vegetarian-low-carb-keto-inspiration
https://www.reddit.com/r/vegetarianketo
http://ketodietapp.com/Blog/post/2015/07/05/2-week-vegetarian-keto-diet-plan
http://vegetarianketo.blogspot.com/
http://ketodietapp.com/Blog/post/2015/05/27/81-delicious-savory-low-carb-vegetarian-recipes
https://vegetarianketo.wordpress.com/

Keto is tougher when no meat is included, but it is doable if you want to try it.

For weight loss, the main benefits are usually a decreased appetite and often better health (which tends to make weight management easier). A calorie deficit is still needed for weight loss.

The rest of what you said is true. However, the bolded is editorial comment. If you have proof in terms of a meta analysis or multiple studies and scholarly please post them but I believe we have had this conversation before and that statement boils down to your opinion for an otherwise healthy individual.

For some reason you object to a Ketogenic diet being healthful? I'm not saying that it is the only way to gain better health, nor did I say it was the best way. It Is a diet that can lead to better health for people with insulin resistance (diabetes, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD and Alzheimer's, as well as the associated CVD) and it can help some with treating some chronic health problems like some autoimmune issues, epilepsy, brain injury, etc. That's not just opinion.

When people are healthy, it helps with weight management. Thats been seen to be true too.

Again, I did not say keto was best, or the only way. It is just one way for some to achieve weight loss and some better health. I said, "for weight loss, the main benefits are usually a decreased appetite and often better health (which tends to make weight management easier)."

I don't keep meta analysis bookmarked to show strangers on the interwebz that better health can make weight management easier or that keto is able to make improvements in some people's health.

often better health suggests that anyone who does a keto diet could see and is likely to see health improvements. Are you saying those health benefits would begin even if a person does not have insulin resistance?

For some, yes.

How would you differentiate the health benefits of keto from those resulting from weight loss alone?

If there is a benefit without weight loss, then you know. Improved BG control is common even without weight loss.

Why do you think the health benefits make weight management easier and not the other way around?

It can work the other way around too. I did not say it could not.

So the “some” people who might experience better health as a result of the diet are those who have Insulun Resistance. Why not mention that detail when you say “often leads to health improvements for those who are IR. By leaving off this important detail it suggests to people like the OP, or anyone who is considering the diet for weight loss because of all the hype they hear IRL, that they will experience it. The OP mentioned nothing of a medical condition that suggests low carb may provide benefits to that condition - but the vague and sweeping generalization of “often better health” sounds tempting for anyone.

Again, it is the unproven claims of miracle cures, vague “better health” and the suggestion that keto/IR negates the news for a calorie deficit that will always get challenged. It just doesn’t do the keto community who do have legit reasons and good success with the diet a favor when the overzealous claims imply benefits that won’t happen, and will invite challenges from those who know this is an overstatement.

Or epilepsy or some autoimmune diseases or some with IBS or some with migraines or some with developmental delays. Not just IR. It can help some people with some health problems even if it is just with reduced appetite to help with weight management if weight loss helps their health. Other diets can help too. They may even help more. I'm not making any grand claims here. Just offering information on the possible benefits, as

These claims are not unusual, nor guaranteed, and many are proven in trials, but I'm not bothering to search for them for you.

The OP asked for the success stories. I said what it could help with, gave info on the diet and then added that it would be tough. I'm going to assume the OP is a grown up who will look into the information given and decide what is best for her. You too can offer information, or more of your opinion, and the OP can use what info you offer as well.

Again, you didn't say "some". You said "many". That is what has been challenged. You would have more credibility if you didn't spend multiple posts trying to rationalize, spin, defend and parse what you said and you would just admit that you make a mistaken statement and correct it to "some". I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

Where? I went back through my replies and I can't see your semantics argument's basis.

The only place I saw that I typed the word "many" was when I was discussing health benefits being tested. Not with regards to some people being helped when using keto as a tool, which is what I wrote. I'm sure you will correct me if I'm mistaken.

WinoGelato wrote: »

nvmomketo wrote: »

WinoGelato wrote: »

nvmomketo wrote: »

WinoGelato wrote: »

nvmomketo wrote: »

mmapags wrote: »

nvmomketo wrote: »

The Low Carber Daily MFP group's mods put together a GREAT collection of links for vegetarians in their Launch pad. This is a bunch of it:

Non-Dairy Keto
Maria Emmerich
http://www.healthfulpursuit.com/
http://thenourishedcaveman.com/ (also Paleo)

Vegan Keto
https://www.reddit.com/r/veganketo
http://www.healthfulpursuit.com/2015/04/video-low-carb-vegan-keto-plant-based/
http://veganhealth.org/
http://ketomotive.com/vegan-ketogenic-diet/
http://www.theketogenicdiet.org/low-carb-dieting-for-vegetarians-and-vegans-is-it-possible/
http://healthygamergirl.com/
http://www.theveganrd.com/

Vegetarian Keto
https://www.dietdoctor.com/new-vegetarian-meal-plan
https://www.dietdoctor.com/vegetarian-low-carb-keto-inspiration
https://www.reddit.com/r/vegetarianketo
http://ketodietapp.com/Blog/post/2015/07/05/2-week-vegetarian-keto-diet-plan
http://vegetarianketo.blogspot.com/
http://ketodietapp.com/Blog/post/2015/05/27/81-delicious-savory-low-carb-vegetarian-recipes
https://vegetarianketo.wordpress.com/

Keto is tougher when no meat is included, but it is doable if you want to try it.

For weight loss, the main benefits are usually a decreased appetite and often better health (which tends to make weight management easier). A calorie deficit is still needed for weight loss.

The rest of what you said is true. However, the bolded is editorial comment. If you have proof in terms of a meta analysis or multiple studies and scholarly please post them but I believe we have had this conversation before and that statement boils down to your opinion for an otherwise healthy individual.

For some reason you object to a Ketogenic diet being healthful? I'm not saying that it is the only way to gain better health, nor did I say it was the best way. It Is a diet that can lead to better health for people with insulin resistance (diabetes, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD and Alzheimer's, as well as the associated CVD) and it can help some with treating some chronic health problems like some autoimmune issues, epilepsy, brain injury, etc. That's not just opinion.

When people are healthy, it helps with weight management. Thats been seen to be true too.

Again, I did not say keto was best, or the only way. It is just one way for some to achieve weight loss and some better health. I said, "for weight loss, the main benefits are usually a decreased appetite and often better health (which tends to make weight management easier)."

I don't keep meta analysis bookmarked to show strangers on the interwebz that better health can make weight management easier or that keto is able to make improvements in some people's health.

often better health suggests that anyone who does a keto diet could see and is likely to see health improvements. Are you saying those health benefits would begin even if a person does not have insulin resistance?

For some, yes.

How would you differentiate the health benefits of keto from those resulting from weight loss alone?

If there is a benefit without weight loss, then you know. Improved BG control is common even without weight loss.

Why do you think the health benefits make weight management easier and not the other way around?

It can work the other way around too. I did not say it could not.

So the “some” people who might experience better health as a result of the diet are those who have Insulun Resistance. Why not mention that detail when you say “often leads to health improvements for those who are IR. By leaving off this important detail it suggests to people like the OP, or anyone who is considering the diet for weight loss because of all the hype they hear IRL, that they will experience it. The OP mentioned nothing of a medical condition that suggests low carb may provide benefits to that condition - but the vague and sweeping generalization of “often better health” sounds tempting for anyone.

Again, it is the unproven claims of miracle cures, vague “better health” and the suggestion that keto/IR negates the news for a calorie deficit that will always get challenged. It just doesn’t do the keto community who do have legit reasons and good success with the diet a favor when the overzealous claims imply benefits that won’t happen, and will invite challenges from those who know this is an overstatement.

Or epilepsy or some autoimmune diseases or some with IBS or some with migraines or some with developmental delays. . Not just IR. It can help some people with some health problems even if it is just with reduced appetite to help with weight management if weight loss helps their health. Other diets can help too. They may even help more. I'm not making any grand claims here. Just offering information on the possible benefits, as

These claims are not unusual, nor guaranteed, and many are proven in trials, but I'm not bothering to search for them for you.

The OP asked for the success stories. I said what it could help with, gave info on the diet and then added that it would be tough. I'm going to assume the OP is a grown up who will look into the information given and decide what is best for her. You too can offer information, or more of your opinion, and the OP can use what info you offer as well.

Wait, I just saw the bolded. Keto helps with some developmental delays? This is a new one that I think needs to be elaborated on.

For some with autism it has been shown to be helpful.

I said I wasn't going to bother with links but
http://mctlift.com.br/site/artigos/24.pdf

Great post, @nvmomketo Thank you for consistently putting together knowledgeable and informative low carb/keto posts.

You're an .

nvmomketo wrote: »

The Low Carber Daily MFP group's mods put together a GREAT collection of links for vegetarians in their Launch pad. This is a bunch of it:

Non-Dairy Keto
Maria Emmerich
http://www.healthfulpursuit.com/
http://thenourishedcaveman.com/ (also Paleo)

Vegan Keto
https://www.reddit.com/r/veganketo
http://www.healthfulpursuit.com/2015/04/video-low-carb-vegan-keto-plant-based/
http://veganhealth.org/
http://ketomotive.com/vegan-ketogenic-diet/
http://www.theketogenicdiet.org/low-carb-dieting-for-vegetarians-and-vegans-is-it-possible/
http://healthygamergirl.com/
http://www.theveganrd.com/

Vegetarian Keto
https://www.dietdoctor.com/new-vegetarian-meal-plan
https://www.dietdoctor.com/vegetarian-low-carb-keto-inspiration
https://www.reddit.com/r/vegetarianketo
http://ketodietapp.com/Blog/post/2015/07/05/2-week-vegetarian-keto-diet-plan
http://vegetarianketo.blogspot.com/
http://ketodietapp.com/Blog/post/2015/05/27/81-delicious-savory-low-carb-vegetarian-recipes
https://vegetarianketo.wordpress.com/

Keto is tougher when no meat is included, but it is doable if you want to try it.

For weight loss, the main benefits are usually a decreased appetite and often better health (which tends to make weight management easier). A calorie deficit is still needed for weight loss.

yirara wrote: »

GaleHawkins wrote: »

chelseamj91 wrote: »

So my step mother and a few friends have actually lost tons of weight by doing keto! My problem is that I’m a vegetarian so I’m not sure if keto would really work for me? I haven’t looked too much into it. Thought I’d check here and see if anyone has any success stories or if there are any vegetarian ways of doing it!

Pros are obviously multiple people I know personally who it’s worked for!

Cons the whole only fat thing has me sort of skeptical because I love fresh veggies and salads (again I haven’t looked too much into it I’m not sure how it all works or why I can eat)


My family and I have been talking about it lately anyone have any advice?

I’ve been doing the cabbage soup diet and it’s been GREAT for me! Although it’s not exactly a long term type of diet and I’m looking for a lifestyle change something that I can really commit to!

TIA!!

-chels

@chelseamj91 Keto has been my way of eating since Oct 2014. While I did not do it to lose weight but to try and reverse some very serious health issues yet without trying to lose weight it was just a side effect of just only eating to manage my joint and muscle pain. I am down 50 pounds and have maintained that loss for the past three years eating all I want. As my serious health issues slowly resolved so did my weight. Key in my case Keto seems to have resolved my strong cravings that lead to binging.

Now at age 67 with better health and health markers than 30 years ago I plan to eat the Keto/LCHF way the rest of my life because it works so well for me.

Hope you find a WOE that works well for you. Work to find the Way Of Eating that works for your body more than what others do or say.

Best of success.

Cool! I lost the 8kg I wanted to lose, and then some 8 more and maintained it while being on a diet high in carbs. I would not have managed keto as I love my carbs, and fats don't still my hunger well. So yes, we're all different.

Which makes me wonder if there's some actual research into what macro works best for which percentage of the population with regards to energy, satiety, etc.

@yirara I have been looking at different macros for a few years and am medically speaking certain there is NO one mix of carbs, protein and fats of that is universal for the human race. I have fallen back on research like this below from Harvard.

https://health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/foods-that-fight-inflammation

In the summer of 2014 at the age of 63 I realized I was going to die in front of our 16 year old kids sooner than later. Since genetically they are at risk of developing Ankylosing Spondylitis like I have lived with for 40 years I knew I had to find a Way Of Eating that could at least lower the their risk of developing AS themselves. They were helping me get in and out of cars and even dress some days wondering if that was the future they should expect.

For the prior 40 years I had been great at losing weight many times but even better at regaining it after each loss.

The more I read how most diseased states can be related to what we eat I started to make changes by leaving off foods that are medically known to lead to different disease states. As you can read in the Harvard article above the first group of foods they have connected with increased health risks today is Refined Carbs.

After failing to be able to change my WOE from mainly refined carbs over the summer of 2014 I was about to give up on regaining my health or even just to stop my fast rate of health decline. It was just 30 days before I was to start Enbrel injections for pain management that I set in on a class my friend teaches about abuse recovery. The part on Denial hit me like a 2x4 over my head. I mean like in 30 seconds I saw that my health failure was related to me being a Carb addict.

It was hellish for the first two weeks for me and the family I went off of any food/drink that contained any form of sugar and or any form of grain. While I wish I had done it 40 years earlier in my case nevertheless I keep my doctor's appointment and my pain level was dropping nicely just 30 days in so I was able to stay off of all Rx meds for about 4 years and now my health and health markers continues to improve at the age of 67.

While I had decided to never ever again to diet to lose weight the weight did drop without a goal to lose weight and that 50 pounds has stayed for the past three years on my current WOE.

Where to do Keto or not (keeping carbs under 50 grams most days) is a personal choice. As you have read in this thread no one as offered hard science as to why to not do keto but like me many state they are too attached to eating high carb to ever keep daily carbs at 50 grams. I said the same until I knew I was dying from my past 40 year Way Of Eating.

Actually keto was an 'accident' in my case. I was just making changes like in the Harvard article and evolved into a Keto or Low Carb High Fat way of eating just for pain management because it was working so well for my well being. Moving forward in hard times can lead to positive 'accidents' is my personal experience.

Best of continued success. Find what works for us eating wise and keep doing it until we see a reason to modify that way I think is key to health for many of us.

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For some with autism it has been shown to be helpful.

I said I wasn't going to bother with links but
http://mctlift.com.br/site/artigos/24.pdf

Your study says that the ketogenic diet may be helpful in 2 out of 30 autistic children.

Since ancient Greek times, terms such as "may help", "for some", and so on, have been called "Weasel Words".

It would be wise if you took care to avoid such ambiguous terms when discussing science.

Lol give me a break . I haven't been trolled this much, for so little, in a while. This is partially why I don't bother to post studies - it's often not good enough unless it shows something else is the same or better than ketosis.LOL

The study showed it DID help children with autism, and not that it MAY help children with autism. (May... Sounds like it was allowed to help.) If you look again, 2/30 children had significant improvements and not that it "may be helpful in 2 out of 30 autistic children." It was 60% of the children on a ketogenic diet who had improvements. I would say that would qualify my ambiguous statement of "for some with autism it has been shown to be helpful." Keto is not a new or unusual dietary treatment.

Weasel words? I think less of a knee jerk reaction to disagree anything I write might be warranted.