Carnivore Diet: The Antithesis to Veganism
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Going carnivore is a pretty big bounce from your last idea of going fruitarian. Carnivore would be marginally safer than fruitarian, but it would still require you to carefully plan your diet to get certain micronutrients in sufficient amounts. It will also tend to be more expensive if you don't get larger primal cuts or whole carcass meats.
I'm not sure why extreme edge case diets appeal to you, but you should research them very carefully and perhaps consult a registered dietician before embarking on one.
I'd say carnivore is MUCH safer than fruitarian. There are not nutrients lacking in a carnivore diet, and the vitamins that are lower in meat (like only 10mg vit. c in 1 or 2 lbs beef) seem to be needed in much lower amounts if not eating carbs. No supplementation is needed. If worried, one can always eat ofal.
As to cost, it depends on what you eat. If I eat a couple of pounds of beef a day, the cost is around $8 Cdn. a day.
And fruitarian is much safer than breatharian. Just because you can find people doing something worse doesn't make yours better.15 -
Going carnivore is a pretty big bounce from your last idea of going fruitarian. Carnivore would be marginally safer than fruitarian, but it would still require you to carefully plan your diet to get certain micronutrients in sufficient amounts. It will also tend to be more expensive if you don't get larger primal cuts or whole carcass meats.
I'm not sure why extreme edge case diets appeal to you, but you should research them very carefully and perhaps consult a registered dietician before embarking on one.
I'd say carnivore is MUCH safer than fruitarian. There are not nutrients lacking in a carnivore diet, and the vitamins that are lower in meat (like only 10mg vit. c in 1 or 2 lbs beef) seem to be needed in much lower amounts if not eating carbs. No supplementation is needed. If worried, one can always eat ofal.
As to cost, it depends on what you eat. If I eat a couple of pounds of beef a day, the cost is around $8 Cdn. a day.
Curious as to what kind of beef you're getting 2lbs of for $8 Cdn?5 -
Here in beef country (Texas) I can get a 3lb roll of 80/20 ground chuck for $10.50 regular price. 73/27 is about $1 cheaper than that. Steak costs more, but I can still get top sirloin for $8 a pound.0
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Regarding what qualifies as a rare disease: in the US less than 200,000 individuals at any given time, in the EU an incidence of 1 in 2000. By both measures a disease with a 1 in 200 incidence is not rare.
My mistake. I guess I did not read up enough on it. 1 in 227 would be over 200 000.
Regardless, I don't consider 1 in 227 a reason for advising all against a carnivorous diet.So you advise not consulting a RD because they won't subscribe to your "keto uber alles" worldview? Ok then.
No. It's because RDs are not trained in dealing with a carnivorous diet. I imagine many would approach it from a moderation-in-everything RDA bias. They teach what they are taught.
Do you honestly believe that RDs are taught how to help people eat a healthy successful carnivore diet? All animal diets have gained some interest, but it is still just a tiny population who is interested in eating that way.
If RDs can advise people about the pros and cons of a vegan diet without vegan specific training, they can certainly guide someone looking for a carnivore diet. They would have the education to evaluate a meal plan for nutrition and compatibility with a person's medical history, recommend adjustments, and note any problems to be mindful of.
So yes, I honestly believe an RD can give reasonable advice to their client on approaching a carnivore diet and help them be successful if they embark on it. It is preferable, in my estimation, than taking unqualified advice from carnivore enthusiasts online who oversell the benefits and downplay the potential downsides.
It's possible an RD would do an okay job with a carnivore diet. Maybe. Possibly. I would be shocked if they are taught about carnivore nutrition. But comparing it to vegan RD advice is stretching it (IMO) unless you are looking at advice from decades ago when veganism first started to have some adherents. Maybe 1950? I'm guessing (hoping) RDs have had training in the vegan diet by now. Carnivore? Probably not.
What benefits to a carnivore diet I do you believe I oversold? I know I mentioned that I feel somewhat better doing it in terms of intestinal health, but not hugely so.
And what potential downsides did I downplay (besides the 1 in 227 or 300 who unfortunately builds up too much iron in their blood) for the typical person eating only animal products? I mentioned it was boring to me...
Why would a properly trained RD need to have carnivore-specific training? They're trained in human nutritional needs and how to access diets. Even if they never encountered a specific way of eating before, they'd be able to determine whether or not a proposed plan would meet general human needs, as well as any specific needs an individual may have related to lifestyle/medical conditions.
The only way an RD wouldn't be able to help plan the diet without special training is due to your argument that human nutritional needs actually *change* when they eat all meat or mostly meat (that they don't need things like fiber, that certain vitamin needs change) and I haven't yet seen anything that has convinced me that this is true. I know you genuinely *believe* it to be true, but I don't think it has been studied enough for anyone to be that confident about it.21 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »Going carnivore is a pretty big bounce from your last idea of going fruitarian. Carnivore would be marginally safer than fruitarian, but it would still require you to carefully plan your diet to get certain micronutrients in sufficient amounts. It will also tend to be more expensive if you don't get larger primal cuts or whole carcass meats.
I'm not sure why extreme edge case diets appeal to you, but you should research them very carefully and perhaps consult a registered dietician before embarking on one.
I'd say carnivore is MUCH safer than fruitarian. There are not nutrients lacking in a carnivore diet, and the vitamins that are lower in meat (like only 10mg vit. c in 1 or 2 lbs beef) seem to be needed in much lower amounts if not eating carbs. No supplementation is needed. If worried, one can always eat ofal.
As to cost, it depends on what you eat. If I eat a couple of pounds of beef a day, the cost is around $8 Cdn. a day.
Curious as to what kind of beef you're getting 2lbs of for $8 Cdn?
We're on a budget, so not top of the line. I eat a lot of ground beef. Buy roasts on sale and slice them into steaks or chops. When meat goes on sale, my grocery cart is pretty full.
I tend not to just eat beef in a day. There's eggs, pork, chicken, cans of tuna or mussels. I'll eat processed meats like smokies too. I will often have cheese too. None are higher quality, grass fed, organic... Or even have a name brand. LOL
I try to get our beef from farms in our province. That cuts costs too.
To me, meat doesn't seem that expensive but that's probably because I am a celiac. GF foods are usually more expensive. Bread, noodles, muffins are all double to triple the price of normal products. I can't honestly say that I noticed our grocery bill going up.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Going carnivore is a pretty big bounce from your last idea of going fruitarian. Carnivore would be marginally safer than fruitarian, but it would still require you to carefully plan your diet to get certain micronutrients in sufficient amounts. It will also tend to be more expensive if you don't get larger primal cuts or whole carcass meats.
I'm not sure why extreme edge case diets appeal to you, but you should research them very carefully and perhaps consult a registered dietician before embarking on one.
I'd say carnivore is MUCH safer than fruitarian. There are not nutrients lacking in a carnivore diet, and the vitamins that are lower in meat (like only 10mg vit. c in 1 or 2 lbs beef) seem to be needed in much lower amounts if not eating carbs. No supplementation is needed. If worried, one can always eat ofal.
As to cost, it depends on what you eat. If I eat a couple of pounds of beef a day, the cost is around $8 Cdn. a day.
And fruitarian is much safer than breatharian. Just because you can find people doing something worse doesn't make yours better.
Strictly speaking, if diet A is worse than diet B, that would make diet B better.
I never said carnivore was "best". I think it is great for a small number of people. i know it is not nutritionally lacking. That's all.11 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Regarding what qualifies as a rare disease: in the US less than 200,000 individuals at any given time, in the EU an incidence of 1 in 2000. By both measures a disease with a 1 in 200 incidence is not rare.
My mistake. I guess I did not read up enough on it. 1 in 227 would be over 200 000.
Regardless, I don't consider 1 in 227 a reason for advising all against a carnivorous diet.So you advise not consulting a RD because they won't subscribe to your "keto uber alles" worldview? Ok then.
No. It's because RDs are not trained in dealing with a carnivorous diet. I imagine many would approach it from a moderation-in-everything RDA bias. They teach what they are taught.
Do you honestly believe that RDs are taught how to help people eat a healthy successful carnivore diet? All animal diets have gained some interest, but it is still just a tiny population who is interested in eating that way.
If RDs can advise people about the pros and cons of a vegan diet without vegan specific training, they can certainly guide someone looking for a carnivore diet. They would have the education to evaluate a meal plan for nutrition and compatibility with a person's medical history, recommend adjustments, and note any problems to be mindful of.
So yes, I honestly believe an RD can give reasonable advice to their client on approaching a carnivore diet and help them be successful if they embark on it. It is preferable, in my estimation, than taking unqualified advice from carnivore enthusiasts online who oversell the benefits and downplay the potential downsides.
It's possible an RD would do an okay job with a carnivore diet. Maybe. Possibly. I would be shocked if they are taught about carnivore nutrition. But comparing it to vegan RD advice is stretching it (IMO) unless you are looking at advice from decades ago when veganism first started to have some adherents. Maybe 1950? I'm guessing (hoping) RDs have had training in the vegan diet by now. Carnivore? Probably not.
What benefits to a carnivore diet I do you believe I oversold? I know I mentioned that I feel somewhat better doing it in terms of intestinal health, but not hugely so.
And what potential downsides did I downplay (besides the 1 in 227 or 300 who unfortunately builds up too much iron in their blood) for the typical person eating only animal products? I mentioned it was boring to me...
Why would a properly trained RD need to have carnivore-specific training? They're trained in human nutritional needs and how to access diets. Even if they never encountered a specific way of eating before, they'd be able to determine whether or not a proposed plan would meet general human needs, as well as any specific needs an individual may have related to lifestyle/medical conditions.
The only way an RD wouldn't be able to help plan the diet without special training is due to your argument that human nutritional needs actually *change* when they eat all meat or mostly meat (that they don't need things like fiber, that certain vitamin needs change) and I haven't yet seen anything that has convinced me that this is true. I know you genuinely *believe* it to be true, but I don't think it has been studied enough for anyone to be that confident about it.
Exactly. RDs are not trained in carnivore because it is very unusual. I doubt it will ever be mainstream. I doubt it will even hit the popularity of veganism, which makes sense. Most people do not need to eat carnivore so why bother.
I'm hoping carnivore will be studied more. So far, there has only been one long term, year long study and that was on two men who lived a carnivore diet healthfully for a few years in the Arctic but no one believed them. They lived in a hospital for one year and had all food monitored to prove it was not unhealthy. They were fine with no deficiencies to be seen.
Shawn Baker, a carnivore athlete of a couple years, has put together a website called n equals many, to try to start the data collection and raise interest in learning about the diet. They do need more data.
For things like vit. C we know that you don't need as much when not eating carbs. For fibre, people obviously live well without it; the misconception that a lack of fibre causes colon cancer is slowly going away. My guess is that most RDs would be pushing vitamin C and fibre supplements despite the small bit of science , and lots of anecdotal experience, that is out there that shows it isn't needed. Most RDs seem to still think that people should limit saturated fat- that would be a problem here.
In the end, most vitamins and minerals are more bio available in animal products so less seems to be needed.
Really, there isn't a lot that an RD could recommend on a carnivorous diet beyond eat organ meat. Maybe to avoid processed meats and nitrates... or get seafood a couple of times a week?6 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Everyone eating nothing but animal products wouldn't be sustainable economically or environmentally.
It's boring but the "best" diet is probably just the one with a wide assortment of whole foods covering the spectrum of macros and nutritional needs with some grains and processed foods mixed in for bulk for budget reasons.
Pretty much this...
I really don't understand people's desire to go to the extremes.15 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Regarding what qualifies as a rare disease: in the US less than 200,000 individuals at any given time, in the EU an incidence of 1 in 2000. By both measures a disease with a 1 in 200 incidence is not rare.
My mistake. I guess I did not read up enough on it. 1 in 227 would be over 200 000.
Regardless, I don't consider 1 in 227 a reason for advising all against a carnivorous diet.So you advise not consulting a RD because they won't subscribe to your "keto uber alles" worldview? Ok then.
No. It's because RDs are not trained in dealing with a carnivorous diet. I imagine many would approach it from a moderation-in-everything RDA bias. They teach what they are taught.
Do you honestly believe that RDs are taught how to help people eat a healthy successful carnivore diet? All animal diets have gained some interest, but it is still just a tiny population who is interested in eating that way.
If RDs can advise people about the pros and cons of a vegan diet without vegan specific training, they can certainly guide someone looking for a carnivore diet. They would have the education to evaluate a meal plan for nutrition and compatibility with a person's medical history, recommend adjustments, and note any problems to be mindful of.
So yes, I honestly believe an RD can give reasonable advice to their client on approaching a carnivore diet and help them be successful if they embark on it. It is preferable, in my estimation, than taking unqualified advice from carnivore enthusiasts online who oversell the benefits and downplay the potential downsides.
It's possible an RD would do an okay job with a carnivore diet. Maybe. Possibly. I would be shocked if they are taught about carnivore nutrition. But comparing it to vegan RD advice is stretching it (IMO) unless you are looking at advice from decades ago when veganism first started to have some adherents. Maybe 1950? I'm guessing (hoping) RDs have had training in the vegan diet by now. Carnivore? Probably not.
What benefits to a carnivore diet I do you believe I oversold? I know I mentioned that I feel somewhat better doing it in terms of intestinal health, but not hugely so.
And what potential downsides did I downplay (besides the 1 in 227 or 300 who unfortunately builds up too much iron in their blood) for the typical person eating only animal products? I mentioned it was boring to me...
Why would a properly trained RD need to have carnivore-specific training? They're trained in human nutritional needs and how to access diets. Even if they never encountered a specific way of eating before, they'd be able to determine whether or not a proposed plan would meet general human needs, as well as any specific needs an individual may have related to lifestyle/medical conditions.
The only way an RD wouldn't be able to help plan the diet without special training is due to your argument that human nutritional needs actually *change* when they eat all meat or mostly meat (that they don't need things like fiber, that certain vitamin needs change) and I haven't yet seen anything that has convinced me that this is true. I know you genuinely *believe* it to be true, but I don't think it has been studied enough for anyone to be that confident about it.
Exactly. RDs are not trained in carnivore because it is very unusual. I doubt it will ever be mainstream. I doubt it will even hit the popularity of veganism, which makes sense. Most people do not need to eat carnivore so why bother.
I'm hoping carnivore will be studied more. So far, there has only been one long term, year long study and that was on two men who lived a carnivore diet healthfully for a few years in the Arctic but no one believed them. They lived in a hospital for one year and had all food monitored to prove it was not unhealthy. They were fine with no deficiencies to be seen.
Shawn Baker, a carnivore athlete of a couple years, has put together a website called n equals many, to try to start the data collection and raise interest in learning about the diet. They do need more data.
For things like vit. C we know that you don't need as much when not eating carbs. For fibre, people obviously live well without it; the misconception that a lack of fibre causes colon cancer is slowly going away. My guess is that most RDs would be pushing vitamin C and fibre supplements despite the small bit of science , and lots of anecdotal experience, that is out there that shows it isn't needed. Most RDs seem to still think that people should limit saturated fat- that would be a problem here.
In the end, most vitamins and minerals are more bio available in animal products so less seems to be needed.
Really, there isn't a lot that an RD could recommend on a carnivorous diet beyond eat organ meat. Maybe to avoid processed meats and nitrates... or get seafood a couple of times a week?
If there has only been one long-term study and that was of just two men, I'm not sure if we can conclude that we need less vitamin C on a carnivore-style diet. That's my point. Most of the people I've seen arguing that nutritional needs are fundamentally altered in people who eat in this way seem to be arguing from anecdote or personal experience.
RDs typically won't, and shouldn't, give dietary recommendations based on very small studies or anecdotal experiences. I'm not sure how they would be trained in this type of diet, as you're recommending, when there are so few resources available for anyone who is approaching this from the science-based nutritional POV.12 -
Nobody has mentioned this yet, but my biggest concern with this way of eating is the risk of cancer. From what I understand the research done on meat consumption as a risk to cancer is somewhat skewed because those studies are done on people who follow an omnivorous diet or the standard american diet. So how can we be sure increasing meat is the cause? What if it is the heavily processed and sugary foods people eat on a daily basis that results in this?
Is there any studies that anybody can direct me to that give clear evidence that more meat = more risk of cancer?
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"RDs typically won't, and shouldn't, give dietary recommendations based on very small studies or anecdotal experiences."
Do you find the studies for establishing the original RDI/RDA's to be robust and compelling? Perhaps I've missed something but when I looked into it they appeared to be more like best guesses than rigorous science. Or do you think that's not a fair assessment of how they were established?
I don't know if nutritional needs change depending on diet, whether there's nutrients in meat that isn't labeled (like with vitamin c) or perhaps these people are meeting their nutritional needs via different pathways? But they don't appear to be developing the deficiencies people are concerned about.
It's interesting stuff. I'll be curious to see if we learn anything new from the growing interest in eating this way.9 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Regarding what qualifies as a rare disease: in the US less than 200,000 individuals at any given time, in the EU an incidence of 1 in 2000. By both measures a disease with a 1 in 200 incidence is not rare.
My mistake. I guess I did not read up enough on it. 1 in 227 would be over 200 000.
Regardless, I don't consider 1 in 227 a reason for advising all against a carnivorous diet.So you advise not consulting a RD because they won't subscribe to your "keto uber alles" worldview? Ok then.
No. It's because RDs are not trained in dealing with a carnivorous diet. I imagine many would approach it from a moderation-in-everything RDA bias. They teach what they are taught.
Do you honestly believe that RDs are taught how to help people eat a healthy successful carnivore diet? All animal diets have gained some interest, but it is still just a tiny population who is interested in eating that way.
If RDs can advise people about the pros and cons of a vegan diet without vegan specific training, they can certainly guide someone looking for a carnivore diet. They would have the education to evaluate a meal plan for nutrition and compatibility with a person's medical history, recommend adjustments, and note any problems to be mindful of.
So yes, I honestly believe an RD can give reasonable advice to their client on approaching a carnivore diet and help them be successful if they embark on it. It is preferable, in my estimation, than taking unqualified advice from carnivore enthusiasts online who oversell the benefits and downplay the potential downsides.
It's possible an RD would do an okay job with a carnivore diet. Maybe. Possibly. I would be shocked if they are taught about carnivore nutrition. But comparing it to vegan RD advice is stretching it (IMO) unless you are looking at advice from decades ago when veganism first started to have some adherents. Maybe 1950? I'm guessing (hoping) RDs have had training in the vegan diet by now. Carnivore? Probably not.
What benefits to a carnivore diet I do you believe I oversold? I know I mentioned that I feel somewhat better doing it in terms of intestinal health, but not hugely so.
And what potential downsides did I downplay (besides the 1 in 227 or 300 who unfortunately builds up too much iron in their blood) for the typical person eating only animal products? I mentioned it was boring to me...
Why would a properly trained RD need to have carnivore-specific training? They're trained in human nutritional needs and how to access diets. Even if they never encountered a specific way of eating before, they'd be able to determine whether or not a proposed plan would meet general human needs, as well as any specific needs an individual may have related to lifestyle/medical conditions.
The only way an RD wouldn't be able to help plan the diet without special training is due to your argument that human nutritional needs actually *change* when they eat all meat or mostly meat (that they don't need things like fiber, that certain vitamin needs change) and I haven't yet seen anything that has convinced me that this is true. I know you genuinely *believe* it to be true, but I don't think it has been studied enough for anyone to be that confident about it.
Exactly. RDs are not trained in carnivore because it is very unusual. I doubt it will ever be mainstream. I doubt it will even hit the popularity of veganism, which makes sense. Most people do not need to eat carnivore so why bother.
I'm hoping carnivore will be studied more. So far, there has only been one long term, year long study and that was on two men who lived a carnivore diet healthfully for a few years in the Arctic but no one believed them. They lived in a hospital for one year and had all food monitored to prove it was not unhealthy. They were fine with no deficiencies to be seen.
Shawn Baker, a carnivore athlete of a couple years, has put together a website called n equals many, to try to start the data collection and raise interest in learning about the diet. They do need more data.
For things like vit. C we know that you don't need as much when not eating carbs. For fibre, people obviously live well without it; the misconception that a lack of fibre causes colon cancer is slowly going away. My guess is that most RDs would be pushing vitamin C and fibre supplements despite the small bit of science , and lots of anecdotal experience, that is out there that shows it isn't needed. Most RDs seem to still think that people should limit saturated fat- that would be a problem here.
In the end, most vitamins and minerals are more bio available in animal products so less seems to be needed.
Really, there isn't a lot that an RD could recommend on a carnivorous diet beyond eat organ meat. Maybe to avoid processed meats and nitrates... or get seafood a couple of times a week?
If there has only been one long-term study and that was of just two men, I'm not sure if we can conclude that we need less vitamin C on a carnivore-style diet. That's my point. Most of the people I've seen arguing that nutritional needs are fundamentally altered in people who eat in this way seem to be arguing from anecdote or personal experience.
RDs typically won't, and shouldn't, give dietary recommendations based on very small studies or anecdotal experiences. I'm not sure how they would be trained in this type of diet, as you're recommending, when there are so few resources available for anyone who is approaching this from the science-based nutritional POV.
Right. There was Steffanson and his one year study, otherwise it is just anecdotal, looking at people who ate carnivore in the past (Inuit, First Nations, Mongols), and those few who do it now (Masai young men, those who turn to it for health reasons). But, none of those groups have deficiencies. Perhaps if they live off pork rinds and bacon, but most aren't doing that. People eat carnivore for decades and are fine.
As I mentioned earlier, Shawn Baker created nequalsmany and had hundreds try the diet for three months. Hopefully that will be enough to start being data and not just anecdotal experiences.
On the flip side, there is zero evidence that the RDAs should be applied to those who eat carnivore. There's just an assumption that the RDAs applies to everyone regardless of sex, genetics, age, culture, or often health.
But I know that carnivore needs aren't published in a journal and most people won't see the anecdotal evidence or the rare study. I expect RDs won't give advice, or good advice, on how to do carnivore, which was my point up thread. They would give advice based on what they are taught, which may not all be applicable to a carnivore. Their advice on carnivore should probably be taken with a grain of salt.6 -
ScorpioL1GHT wrote: »Nobody has mentioned this yet, but my biggest concern with this way of eating is the risk of cancer. From what I understand the research done on meat consumption as a risk to cancer is somewhat skewed because those studies are done on people who follow an omnivorous diet or the standard american diet. So how can we be sure increasing meat is the cause? What if it is the heavily processed and sugary foods people eat on a daily basis that results in this?
Is there any studies that anybody can direct me to that give clear evidence that more meat = more risk of cancer?
In terms of carnivore, it's more along the lines of "does ONLY animal products = more risk of cancer" rather than does "MORE meat = more risk of cancer". KWIM?
For all animal products, I've seen nothing. I haven't seen anything proving more meat does either, actually. Processed meat appears to raise risks somewhat.2 -
AlabasterVerve wrote: »"RDs typically won't, and shouldn't, give dietary recommendations based on very small studies or anecdotal experiences."
Do you find the studies for establishing the original RDI/RDA's to be robust and compelling? Perhaps I've missed something but when I looked into it they appeared to be more like best guesses than rigorous science. Or do you think that's not a fair assessment of how they were established?
I don't know if nutritional needs change depending on diet, whether there's nutrients in meat that isn't labeled (like with vitamin c) or perhaps these people are meeting their nutritional needs via different pathways? But they don't appear to be developing the deficiencies people are concerned about.
It's interesting stuff. I'll be curious to see if we learn anything new from the growing interest in eating this way.
I'm saying that an RDs standard of practice for recommending a diet probably goes beyond people "dont appear" to be developing deficiencies when they eat this way.
I am not arguing that it's dangerous, I'm saying I don't think we know enough to conclude that it is a safe long-term diet. For an RD, that is an important consideration.
I don't have to think current RDAs are perfect to acknowledge that they're still had more development, testing, and input than a collection of anecdotes where people "appear" to be fine. I'd love to improve our understanding of RDAs *and* how different types of diets impact people.8 -
Going carnivore is a pretty big bounce from your last idea of going fruitarian. Carnivore would be marginally safer than fruitarian, but it would still require you to carefully plan your diet to get certain micronutrients in sufficient amounts. It will also tend to be more expensive if you don't get larger primal cuts or whole carcass meats.
I'm not sure why extreme edge case diets appeal to you, but you should research them very carefully and perhaps consult a registered dietician before embarking on one.
Oh, I wasn't saying I was going to be a fruitarian or even carnivore yet! I should have posted one thread comparing both diets for people to dissect the extreme ends of dieting such as all-fruit or all-meat. I like learning about new diets and lifestyles out there that people follow. It is interesting to me to see if these diets are healthful to certain people following them despite not being the mainstream omnivore diet that most follow.
Why do extreme edge diets appeal to me? Honestly, It's because I like living on the edge that's why
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ScorpioL1GHT wrote: »Going carnivore is a pretty big bounce from your last idea of going fruitarian. Carnivore would be marginally safer than fruitarian, but it would still require you to carefully plan your diet to get certain micronutrients in sufficient amounts. It will also tend to be more expensive if you don't get larger primal cuts or whole carcass meats.
I'm not sure why extreme edge case diets appeal to you, but you should research them very carefully and perhaps consult a registered dietician before embarking on one.
Oh, I wasn't saying I was going to be a fruitarian or even carnivore yet! I should have posted one thread comparing both diets for people to dissect the extreme ends of dieting such as all-fruit or all-meat. I like learning about new diets and lifestyles out there that people follow. It is interesting to me to see if these diets are healthful to certain people following them despite not being the mainstream omnivore diet that most follow.
Why do extreme edge diets appeal to me? Honestly, It's because I like living on the edge that's why
Go research & try out "breatharianism" & let me know how it works out for you. Can't think of anything more extreme than that; other close candidates include the snake juice diet & those involving inoculating yourself with parasites.6 -
I just don’t understand what ever happened to moderation lol! I honestly think some people do these extreme diets for attention.7
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Nvmomketo. I am interested to know if you still follow the carnivore way of eating. I embarked on this way of eating just over a month ago. I find I really like it. I thought it would be very boring but I actually like the simplicity of it and the fact that I eat fewer times during the day ( only once or twice /day) without suffering from hunger.
I eat frozen and canned fish, eggs, ground meat, very occasionally steaks, chicken and turkey, some organ meat (kidneys, liver, heart, and sweetbreads), a little bit of dairy and drink mostly water but also some bone broth.
I wouldn’t say I’ve lost a huge amount of weight but haven’t gained either and due to a back injury I’ve been very sedentary by necessity.3 -
Nvmomketo. I am interested to know if you still follow the carnivore way of eating. I embarked on this way of eating just over a month ago. I find I really like it. I thought it would be very boring but I actually like the simplicity of it and the fact that I eat fewer times during the day ( only once or twice /day) without suffering from hunger.
I eat frozen and canned fish, eggs, ground meat, very occasionally steaks, chicken and turkey, some organ meat (kidneys, liver, heart, and sweetbreads), a little bit of dairy and drink mostly water but also some bone broth.
I wouldn’t say I’ve lost a huge amount of weight but haven’t gained either and due to a back injury I’ve been very sedentary by necessity.
@cathyL11 yes, I still follow a mostly follow a carnivore diet. I am not a 100% all animal products though. I still have coffee and stevia, and the protein powder I use has some flax meal in it. I do eat plants on occasion. Lately it has been a bit more frequent. For example, yesterday I added an avocado to my bowl of taco meat, cheese and sour cream. Last Friday, I had a few pieces of broccoli with some dip. This is a bit more often than ideal. I find I get a bit hungrier and a bit less energetic.
Near Halloween I had some candy. It appears to have caused an arthritis flare up that lasted over a week, and my energy took quite a dip. It was a bad idea for me. Lol
I am at a normal weight and still losing very slowing - maybe half a pound a week. I don't count calories or try to lose, so this is a bonus for me.
There is still a very small number of carnivores in the Low Carber Daily and Keto groups. There is a Lower Carber Carnivore group too. For more support, there are some active FB groups, although some are strict, and someone like me who is just mostly carnivore does not fit as well. In the Ketogenic Forums community, by 2 Keto dudes, there is a carnivore sub group too.
It really is a simple diet. If I did not have to feed my family too, cooking would be sooooo easy. Lol
I hope your back is feeling better soon. Hopefully the lower inflammation and protein help with hurrying healing along.
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