KETO
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stevencloser wrote: »
Let's see... Since doctors on average get as much nutrition training as a high school student, while dieticians literally have their whole field exclusively as their studies, I'd go with those.
Your wrong. I work in home infusion. We provide multiple therapies for patient in thier home. Like TPN. Enteral, inotrop, ivig,etc. For our patients who are on inotrop..the physician instructs the meal plan not the dietitian. We have dietitians on staff but guess who's orders they follow? Same goes for TPN which supplies 100% of the nutrician needed by the patient..proscription comes from the doctor not a dietitian.15 -
tannerrobertson927 wrote: »There’s a lot of haters out here! Keto is awesome! Pumped on other people who have found what I have found. Keep it up Aimee!!! 🤙
“Haters?” Taylor Swift is that you!?
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I am glad you found something that is working for you. Kudos! But I do not share your opinion.
Keto was NOT the best choice for me. I am on a diuretic and have kidney issues. I tried Keto and wound up developing a 22mm kidney stone - 5 day surgeries remove the thing, a stent for 5 months, and lost time at work! First thing the urologist and the nephrologist both asked me was if I was on Keto.
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Wouldn't it be nice if we could just be supportive of each other's attempts to follow any sort of strategy that results in success that isn't actually dangerous? We all have to deal with food pushers, judgy siblings demanding an explanation for why the salad dressing is on the side, the temptation to just hit that snooze button one more time and skip the workout, the desire to leap off the treadmill because ugghhhh this is so hard, the temptation to eat a slice of a piece of cake that says "Happy Birthday Becky" that's in the work breakroom, even though we don't like Becky or care about her birthday. We are sick of our Spanx and have "skinny jeans" in our closet and our kitchens are full of measuring cups and our brains are full of random factoids, like 1 oz. of avocado is exactly 50 calories and that cooked raw chicken weighs less than when it's raw.
We are all here to fight for what we want. That's a good thing.
BTW, 7 months on keto, 7 YEARS using MFP for calorie tracking, and you know what? Keto works absolutely fine. It's just like any other calorie restriction plan.6 -
Running_and_Coffee wrote: »Wouldn't it be nice if we could just be supportive of each other's attempts to follow any sort of strategy that results in success that isn't actually dangerous? We all have to deal with food pushers, judgy siblings demanding an explanation for why the salad dressing is on the side, the temptation to just hit that snooze button one more time and skip the workout, the desire to leap off the treadmill because ugghhhh this is so hard, the temptation to eat a slice of a piece of cake that says "Happy Birthday Becky" that's in the work breakroom, even though we don't like Becky or care about her birthday. We are sick of our Spanx and have "skinny jeans" in our closet and our kitchens are full of measuring cups and our brains are full of random factoids, like 1 oz. of avocado is exactly 50 calories and that cooked raw chicken weighs less than when it's raw.
We are all here to fight for what we want. That's a good thing.
BTW, 7 months on keto, 7 YEARS using MFP for calorie tracking, and you know what? Keto works absolutely fine. It's just like any other calorie restriction plan.
Nobody says keto doesn't work just fine...it's just that the "keto is the best diet for fat loss" and "keto is the best diet for overall health" and "keto cures every disease known to man" evangelism gets really old. Not just here either...pretty much every social media site has keto evangelists coming out the *kitten*.25 -
nah I'm good on that. I've lost weight just fine without eating keto5
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You'll take my yogurt, ice cream, cookies, bread, potatoes and pasta out of my cold dead (healthy weight) hands.
Hey, someone mention sugar addiction.
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Keto helps me a lot. As it helps satisfy me and keep my calories down. Though I must say in the past month I have been introducing more carbs back in my diet and still staying under or at my daily calorie goals.
Measuring and logging have become much more important then the exact ratio of this or that for me. I do prefer the low carb way though.5 -
Running_and_Coffee wrote: »Wouldn't it be nice if we could just be supportive of each other's attempts to follow any sort of strategy that results in success that isn't actually dangerous? We all have to deal with food pushers, judgy siblings demanding an explanation for why the salad dressing is on the side, the temptation to just hit that snooze button one more time and skip the workout, the desire to leap off the treadmill because ugghhhh this is so hard, the temptation to eat a slice of a piece of cake that says "Happy Birthday Becky" that's in the work breakroom, even though we don't like Becky or care about her birthday. We are sick of our Spanx and have "skinny jeans" in our closet and our kitchens are full of measuring cups and our brains are full of random factoids, like 1 oz. of avocado is exactly 50 calories and that cooked raw chicken weighs less than when it's raw.
We are all here to fight for what we want. That's a good thing.
BTW, 7 months on keto, 7 YEARS using MFP for calorie tracking, and you know what? Keto works absolutely fine. It's just like any other calorie restriction plan.
So you're pretty much OK with new members reading "Keto is the way to lose weight", forcing themselves to follow a food plan that cuts out all the foods they may find satiating, and beating themselves up because they can't stick to the plan?13 -
So you're pretty much OK with new members reading "Keto is the way to lose weight", forcing themselves to follow a food plan that cuts out all the foods they may find satiating, and beating themselves up because they can't stick to the plan?
I'm OK with them trying a plan, whether it's Keto or another plan. It's not my place to "be OK" with another adult's diet plan, anyway.
Also, I am not sure where "trying keto" has to equal failing miserably and beating themselves up. Cutting out foods that they might find satiating applies to ANYTHING involving eating less. BTW, most people who like keto like it because the foods you do eat are satiating.3 -
Running_and_Coffee wrote: »
I'm OK with them trying a plan, whether it's Keto or another plan. It's not my place to "be OK" with another adult's diet plan, anyway.
Also, I am not sure where "trying keto" has to equal failing miserably and beating themselves up. Cutting out foods that they might find satiating applies to ANYTHING involving eating less. BTW, most people who like keto like it because the foods you do eat are satiating.
My point was that newbies looking at this post would reasonably conclude that in order to lose weight they need to follow a keto diet. There are no modifiers or disclaimers that it's the best diet for the OP, not necessarily for everyone. Responding with nothing but "Yay, good for you!" leaves the impression that obviously keto is the best way to lose weight. People who believe there's one way to lose weight will feel like failures when they can't stick to the program because it's not a sustainable way of eating for them.16 -
Running_and_Coffee wrote: »
I'm OK with them trying a plan, whether it's Keto or another plan. It's not my place to "be OK" with another adult's diet plan, anyway.
Also, I am not sure where "trying keto" has to equal failing miserably and beating themselves up. Cutting out foods that they might find satiating applies to ANYTHING involving eating less. BTW, most people who like keto like it because the foods you do eat are satiating.
If someone believes that keto is the absolute best weight loss method and it's suitable for everyone (as claimed by OP), they're more likely to blame themselves if they struggle with it.
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So you guys are worried that because some person says "Keto is the best," another newbie is going to think they should try it, and then they will fail at the diet, and then blame themselves? And this "no it's not the best" is an effort to prevent them from being gullible and therefore is protecting new dieters from failure and self-doubt? Am I understanding that correctly??13
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Running_and_Coffee wrote: »So you guys are worried that because some person says "Keto is the best," another newbie is going to think they should try it, and then they will fail at the diet, and then blame themselves? And this "no it's not the best" is an effort to prevent them from being gullible and therefore is protecting new dieters from failure and self-doubt? Am I understanding that correctly??
I can't speak to the concerns of other people, but yeah . . . I don't think it's helpful for any one diet plan to be touted as universally the best for everyone.
OP is free to think that is the case, but it's perfectly reasonable for others for others to respond to that.
I'm not saying that keto isn't the best *for some people*. It seems to be pretty clear to me, at least anecdotally, that some people do very well on it and find it easy to sustain.11 -
Your wrong. I work in home infusion. We provide multiple therapies for patient in thier home. Like TPN. Enteral, inotrop, ivig,etc. For our patients who are on inotrop..the physician instructs the meal plan not the dietitian. We have dietitians on staff but guess who's orders they follow? Same goes for TPN which supplies 100% of the nutrician needed by the patient..proscription comes from the doctor not a dietitian.
TPN isn't anything like keto6 -
Lol Keto is an abbreviation and we are splitting foods into macros. Your comment makes no sense.
But we do know the difference between an abbreviation and an acronym, right? Does that help the comment make more sense?8 -
What I dont get is why..if you dont agree with the OP you dont scroll by. Why rain on someone's parade? I've been in keto a week and came here for encouragement and all I see is a bunch of arm chair doctors linking some random article they found that says keto..bad....when I could link just as many that go the other way.
I could understand if the OP was going to profit from these posts but she was just excited. If people cannot handle being happy for someone else then why be on here at all?
There is another thread currently running where someone has posted just such an article. The same people you are railing against here, are are discussing the merits of the study in question. At the end of the day, eating keto is not what is being argued against, it is the sweeping generalizations of good for everyone, magical health benefits, or (as in the other thread) bad for everyone.18 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »
There is another thread currently running where someone has posted just such an article. The same people you are railing against here, are are discussing the merits of the study in question. At the end of the day, eating keto is not what is being argued against, it is the sweeping generalizations of good for everyone, magical health benefits, or (as in the other thread) bad for everyone.
Interesting... you think they are arguing just to argue? I see a lot of that in Facebook groups... we had a girl who was not on a low carb diet at all and running her mouth on a keto board..kills me I asked why..her response was then noticeably silent.5 -
Who said it was unpleasant? For you maybe..I like my butter and heavy cream...
I like butter and heavy cream. I also like lots of fresh fruits and veggies including (horrors!) Potatoes!9 -
I like butter and heavy cream. I also like lots of fresh fruits and veggies including (horrors!) Potatoes!
Lol. Keto people will always try convince themselves and everyone else that their diet is sustainable and flexible because they get to 'eat so kick yummy full fat and creamy foods'. Um ya.. so can flexible dieters, only we dont have to treat carbs like they are demons.. or anything else for that matter. Limiting any food group is just not a way of life in my opinion and it's also unnecessary because weight loss is about calories, not food groups.4 -
Im pregnant in third trimester and did keto-I had such bad water retention and GD with last pregnancy as well as heart issues...keto made this pregnancy smooth, no swelling, no bad water retention, no heart issues and no GD doctor approved. Baby measuring healthy. Suck it haters. 😂 keto needs to be done using net carb counts with the right foods-Avacados, Spinach not processed crap. Its basically a diabetic diet without the startch and lower carbs.2
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Lol. Keto people will always try convince themselves and everyone else that their diet is sustainable and flexible because they get to 'eat so kick yummy full fat and creamy foods'. Um ya.. so can flexible dieters, only we dont have to treat carbs like they are demons.. or anything else for that matter. Limiting any food group is just not a way of life in my opinion and it's also unnecessary because weight loss is about calories, not food groups.
This is judgemental.
I don't believe anyone said flexible dieters could not eat butter and cream. Keto'ers may be eat more of it than someone who eats less fat and stay within their calories. That's all.
I'm pretty sure you were the first to associate carbs with demons in this thread.
Limiting a (nonessential) food group is an acceptable way to creat a calorie deficit. You choose to limit everything instead. That's fine. But others may not share your opinion, nor do they need to since keto works just as well for weight loss and is every bit as sustainable. I'm over three years keto and am not even close to being the longest keto'ers or low carber around here.
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