Ketogenic diet
Replies
-
,Go get the book, The Keto Reset Diet by Mark Sisson. It offers a lot of scientific facts about the Keto/Paleo WOE that I found VERY useful. It's not just about eating, it's more about a general healthy lifestyle from exercise and stress control.
You can be healthy just by being vegan or eating a balanced diet with no restriction apart from making sure you hit your calories/micronutrients & fiber if you , no need to follow one diet in order to have a general healthy lifestyle.
Some can. Some can't.
Sometimes specific diets are best for meeting a person's health needs.
That's not what she was saying. She said it in a general sense. She never mentionned anything about those with specific needs.
I realize that, but she did not specify that she was talking about only healthy people either.
3 -
,Go get the book, The Keto Reset Diet by Mark Sisson. It offers a lot of scientific facts about the Keto/Paleo WOE that I found VERY useful. It's not just about eating, it's more about a general healthy lifestyle from exercise and stress control.
You can be healthy just by being vegan or eating a balanced diet with no restriction apart from making sure you hit your calories/micronutrients & fiber if you , no need to follow one diet in order to have a general healthy lifestyle.
Some can. Some can't.
Sometimes specific diets are best for meeting a person's health needs.
That's not what she was saying. She said it in a general sense. She never mentionned anything about those with specific needs.
I realize that, but she did not specify that she was talking about only healthy people either.
Normally, if someone has a health condition they mention it in the first post.3 -
I am following keto diet over last few days. It is really effective. But didn't find any negative impact.2
-
1st i have to say " sorry for my bad english "
I can not tell you if Ketogenic is a good or bad idea for me but it was ideal in the beginning.
In November 2015, I weighed just over 200 KG. How hard I was exactly I do not know my scale was only calibrated to 200 KG.
At first, I ate low carb for almost three months.
I abstained from processed foods and always cooked fresh.
The first few weeks, there were only soups with lots of vegetables, coconut milk, curry paste and meat. Over the weeks, I kept reducing the meat, I was on the way to live vegetarian.
After a few months, however, my soups bored me and I realized that I was missing something. I'm just not a vegetarian.
So I went again to find a new way to lose weight and came on Youtube on the anabolic diet. It sounded so good to eat 5-6 days of diet and then 1-2 days whatever you want, also known as cheatday.
I was looking for a German-speaking forum and there they strongly advised me against the anabolic diet. Anabolic diet is for competitors, cheatdays are self-deception, I should skip the cheatday and try out the ketogenic diet.
By that time, I had lost nearly 17 KG of weight with my soups and was highly motivated. Knowing that much of it was just water.
At the end of January 2016, I started Ketogenic Diet. The rules for the first few weeks were manageable. Do not pay attention to the calories, eat as much as you are full, eat more fat than protein and carbohydrates together, no sports, trink 3-5 L water each day. In short, Skaldeman rules.
The beginning was really hard for me but I was told in advance what can happen in the first few weeks. I felt the full range of cold withdrawal of sugar. Low Carb Fluenca. If I had had to work at this time, I would not have kept it up.
After about four weeks, everything improved. Suddenly I did not feel hungry anymore, the first four weeks I was almost only eating and was constantly hungry, but still took off. I did not pay attention to calories, as I was told.
What can I say ? I lost 45 KG in the next 12 months. But I had months in between, in which I did not lose weight. Then again there were months in which I lost 7 KG weight.
My circle of friends was worried because they did not know any better. Although they saw the successes but they could not understand how to lose weight so fast, so much where I took a good 200 grams of fat a day. After the first 4 weeks, regardless of the calories, I was instructed to eat at least my basal metabolic rate. That was 2400 calories for me and on many days it was really hard to take these because i never was hungry.
January 2017 I started sports. Since I was not sure what I had done to the last few years, I got myself a personal trainer. Whether that was a good idea I do not know. In fact, looking back, the sport started to stop weight loss.
Nevertheless, until May 2017 I had a weight of 121 KG. So since November 2015 I have lost over 80 KG.
At some point after I got stuck on my 120 kg for months despite the ketogenic diet, I ate carbohydrates again. My weight stayed but I was much better in sports. As an example, I could suddenly lift 50kg more deadlift.
My circle of friends told me I had changed my mind since I eat carbohydrates again. I became happier and happier. The renunciation of sugar has made me a pretty bad-tempered man.
Nevertheless it annoyed me very much that I had stopped so shortly before my goal. My goal was 95-100 KG. Although this is still mathematically still overweight and a bad BMI but who cares about the BMI if you look good?
January 2018 I finished the personal training ........ and got fat again ....... no wait I'm just kidding, I started with Crossfit.
Let's say how it is, I will probably never become a good crossfitter but I feel comfortable in this little crossfit box. Everything is very familiar, nobody is marginalized because of his appearance or overweight. Everyone helps everyone if help is needed. I've had some very negative experiences in fitness centers. It hurts me a bit that I have to do most of the exercises "scaled" but I've done in the years of massive excess weight many long-term damage.
For a good 5 weeks now I'm eating ketogen again. The start was a bit bumpy. For the first time, I realized that too much protein is being thrown out of the ketosis, which was not the case in 2016. Weight loss is currently stagnating. At the moment it is very warm in Germany, 30-40 degrees are not fun for me. I can currently forget lifting weights. But the keto adaptation is simply too bad for that. Thus, I have now started 3 weeks after the start of the ketogenic diet with endurance training. My best friend is just the bike and a rowing machine. In a few weeks I will start again with Kettlebell. At the moment I'm rowing 4 times 60 minutes a week, in my free time I only use the bike, do my shopping and appointments and do without the car.
At the moment it is very warm as I said, I lose a lot of water and therefore can not say how successful keto is with me at the moment. I'm getting better at the rowing machine, endurance is just my thing. This morning I weighed 117 KG. The first weight loss for more than 12 months.
Nevertheless, much has improved with me with Keto. But I noticed in the time without keto that I do not increase. I can easily hold my weight. I can eat whatever I wanted and I really ate a lot of terrible stuff, with lots of sugar.
One of my main problems is that I'm still having trouble fixing myself. When I allow myself carbohydrates I eat them all and sometimes I can not stop. Called binge eating. With carbohydrates, I was much better in sports, at least in weightlifting. It may be that over the months when the keto adaptation continues everything work much more better.
Ketoadaption is also the keyword here for me. I would not recommend anyone a short term ketogenic diet. Until the body has changed over, until the intestine has formed enough bacteria to optimize fat digestion usually pass months. Someone who wants to make competitive sport as efficient as with carbohydrates sometimes needs much longer. Experiences from my forum speak here from 6 months and longer. Ketogenic diet is not a crash diet to lose a lot of weight fast.
But it may be that it works a lot better here than with me. If I have learned one thing in the last few years then there is no ideal diet or nutrition for all of us. We are all very individual and what works well for me does not work well with you. Losing weight is not as easy as it was for years to sell. Especially since I do not look at ketogenic diet as a diet because I do not deliberately reduce my calories. You should never eat under basal metabolism. If you are very overweight you can do that but the closer you get to the normal weight the more important the given macros will be. For me they are quite simple, without regard to much strength and muscle gain. A maximum of 20 grams of carbohydrates a day and I personally can eat well 50 grams without the ketosis is disturbed. Now and then a slip-up is okay but not in the first few months. The stronger the keto adaptation, the easier it is to forgive these mistakes. 130 grams of protein are mandatory for me even if you say that muscle mass does not disappear so easily during ketosis. This results in at least 150 grams of fat per day because I should eat more fat than carbohydrates and protein together.
150 grams of fat are about 1400 calories, 130 grams of protein + 20g of carbohydrates are about 620 calories.
As a security, a little more fat and I can easily get on my 2100-2400 calories a day which just covers my basal metabolic rate. Eating more is really hard.
Then something about doctors. My family doctor was initially shocked by my new diet. It is a pity that some, from my experience mostly older doctors are not really well versed in new diets. I was initially strongly advised by the doctor to not feed me ketogen. After being examined extensively in the first few months, she had to change her mind. Granted, I acidify quickly. After a few months I had to take a medicine that reduces my uric acid and I also had my first kidney stone which was really very painful, but I also have to say that I often drink too little. My blood lipid levels went through the blanket at the start of the ketogenic diet, but this changed very much after the first few months. My blood lipid levels were better during ketosis than ever before. That's why I say the keto as a crash diet is not good in the long run but already.
Last but not least bad news. A few of us can not feed ketogenically. I have not experienced it myself and I'm grateful for it but some people are allergic to the changing sweat. As you know (or not) the body in ketosis tries to get rid of the annoying acetone. Acetone is formed in the ketosis when the spent ketones are disposed of. This is done through urine, sweat and breath. Therefore, some people who are ketogenic also constantly have bad breath. You can smell the acetone, it smells like nail polish remover, slightly sweetish. I've seen in my forum from time to time that some members got a rash of acetone-containing sweat that was so violent that they had to do without the ketosis but still had very good results with Low Carb
A video with maybe a lot more usefull hints in case of ketoadaption as i can explane it with my bad english.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSwOreYDPCM 4 -
,Go get the book, The Keto Reset Diet by Mark Sisson. It offers a lot of scientific facts about the Keto/Paleo WOE that I found VERY useful. It's not just about eating, it's more about a general healthy lifestyle from exercise and stress control.
You can be healthy just by being vegan or eating a balanced diet with no restriction apart from making sure you hit your calories/micronutrients & fiber if you , no need to follow one diet in order to have a general healthy lifestyle.
Some can. Some can't.
Sometimes specific diets are best for meeting a person's health needs.
That's not what she was saying. She said it in a general sense. She never mentionned anything about those with specific needs.
I realize that, but she did not specify that she was talking about only healthy people either.
Ok, so you assume she was talking about a minority of people despite not mentionning anything? She basically said to read a book from some author on how Paleo and keto is not just about eating, it's about a general healthy lifestyle. For the majority of the people here who don't have health issues can see this statement as "Keto and Paleo is the only way to have a general healthy lifestyle from exercise and stress control" as she states it. She should've been more precise with that statement unless she actually thinks that keto and paleo is the only way to live a healthy lifestyle. You can understand I hope that her statement can be misleading.5 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »,Go get the book, The Keto Reset Diet by Mark Sisson. It offers a lot of scientific facts about the Keto/Paleo WOE that I found VERY useful. It's not just about eating, it's more about a general healthy lifestyle from exercise and stress control.
You can be healthy just by being vegan or eating a balanced diet with no restriction apart from making sure you hit your calories/micronutrients & fiber if you , no need to follow one diet in order to have a general healthy lifestyle.
Some can. Some can't.
Sometimes specific diets are best for meeting a person's health needs.
That's not what she was saying. She said it in a general sense. She never mentionned anything about those with specific needs.
I realize that, but she did not specify that she was talking about only healthy people either.
Normally, if someone has a health condition they mention it in the first post.
Possibly.
All we know about the OP is that she has unfortunately been through something traumatic.
0 -
,Go get the book, The Keto Reset Diet by Mark Sisson. It offers a lot of scientific facts about the Keto/Paleo WOE that I found VERY useful. It's not just about eating, it's more about a general healthy lifestyle from exercise and stress control.
You can be healthy just by being vegan or eating a balanced diet with no restriction apart from making sure you hit your calories/micronutrients & fiber if you , no need to follow one diet in order to have a general healthy lifestyle.
Some can. Some can't.
Sometimes specific diets are best for meeting a person's health needs.
That's not what she was saying. She said it in a general sense. She never mentionned anything about those with specific needs.
I realize that, but she did not specify that she was talking about only healthy people either.
Ok, so you assume she was talking about a minority of people despite not mentionning anything? She basically said to read a book from some author on how Paleo and keto is not just about eating, it's about a general healthy lifestyle. For the majority of the people here who don't have health issues can see this statement as "Keto and Paleo is the only way to have a general healthy lifestyle from exercise and stress control" as she states it. She should've been more precise with that statement unless she actually thinks that keto and paleo is the only way to live a healthy lifestyle. You can understand I hope that her statement can be misleading.
No I assumed it was directed at all people in general, hence the "some can, some can't" response to someone else's reply to a book that someone recommended because she found it helpful. You added the "Keto and Paleo is the only way". She did not. She actually said:... It's not just about eating, it's more about a general healthy lifestyle from exercise and stress control.3 -
@Mayestic1976 congratulations on your success! Consider joining the Low Carber Daily and Keto MFP groups for more information and support.1
-
I have been Keto for almost two months, and with the help of some great FB groups I was able to avoid the Keto flu and have been only reaping the benefits. I can see myself adapting this lifestyle for the rest of my life.1
-
Lillymoo01 wrote: »,Go get the book, The Keto Reset Diet by Mark Sisson. It offers a lot of scientific facts about the Keto/Paleo WOE that I found VERY useful. It's not just about eating, it's more about a general healthy lifestyle from exercise and stress control.
You can be healthy just by being vegan or eating a balanced diet with no restriction apart from making sure you hit your calories/micronutrients & fiber if you , no need to follow one diet in order to have a general healthy lifestyle.
Some can. Some can't.
Sometimes specific diets are best for meeting a person's health needs.
That's not what she was saying. She said it in a general sense. She never mentionned anything about those with specific needs.
I realize that, but she did not specify that she was talking about only healthy people either.
Normally, if someone has a health condition they mention it in the first post.
I wish...2 -
,Go get the book, The Keto Reset Diet by Mark Sisson. It offers a lot of scientific facts about the Keto/Paleo WOE that I found VERY useful. It's not just about eating, it's more about a general healthy lifestyle from exercise and stress control.
You can be healthy just by being vegan or eating a balanced diet with no restriction apart from making sure you hit your calories/micronutrients & fiber if you , no need to follow one diet in order to have a general healthy lifestyle.
Some can. Some can't.
Sometimes specific diets are best for meeting a person's health needs.
That's not what she was saying. She said it in a general sense. She never mentionned anything about those with specific needs.
I realize that, but she did not specify that she was talking about only healthy people either.
Ok, so you assume she was talking about a minority of people despite not mentionning anything? She basically said to read a book from some author on how Paleo and keto is not just about eating, it's about a general healthy lifestyle. For the majority of the people here who don't have health issues can see this statement as "Keto and Paleo is the only way to have a general healthy lifestyle from exercise and stress control" as she states it. She should've been more precise with that statement unless she actually thinks that keto and paleo is the only way to live a healthy lifestyle. You can understand I hope that her statement can be misleading.
No I assumed it was directed at all people in general, hence the "some can, some can't" response to someone else's reply to a book that someone recommended because she found it helpful. You added the "Keto and Paleo is the only way". She did not. She actually said:... It's not just about eating, it's more about a general healthy lifestyle from exercise and stress control.
to-may-toes....to-mah-toes....in the end, it meant the same thing.3 -
I will jump in.....
I have high A1C. I have know this for several years. I found out via the Life Insurance health check (just one more thing about me that p*$$ed off my now ex-wife about me). I never did anything about the high A1C until six years ago.
I very much enjoy Keto. I am a creature of habit when it comes to food so eating the same thing everyday of every week of every month is not a problem for me. Most importantly, I really enjoy the food. Do I enjoy carbs? Heck yes! Ask me to make you Manicotti and you will fall in love with me! LOL! But, they just do not love me. So, in the pursuit of "Healthy first, Fit second" (which I sometimes forget.....to be honest) I started looking into the Ketogenic Way of Eating last December. I started February 1, 2018. Now, the ugly - I was doing Power Lifting at that time. MAN!!!!! Let me tell you how bad that sucked! I figured out that I needed to eat a sweet potato about one hour before my training session or I would die! LITERALLY! (okay, maybe a bit dramatic....but I wished I would die several times....still, that did not stop me from finishing the session each of those days).
I lose weight and I gain weight on the Keto way of eating. It is all about calories in | calories out. This (Keto) is not some magic pill! But, what it is......it is potentially a tool to help you remain in a caloric deficit (if that is your plan at the moment). If it works for you, then great! If not, well - you can cross that off the list and move on to the next idea.
It works mostly well for me. I find - now that I have been doing Keto for several months and am Keto-adapted that the training sessions no longer suck. In fact, I do have a lot of energy (just in general....but with Keto, even more....if that is possible). No longer doing the Power Lifting stuff so can not speak to that....but the normal hypertrophy-style of weight training - no problem.0 -
,Go get the book, The Keto Reset Diet by Mark Sisson. It offers a lot of scientific facts about the Keto/Paleo WOE that I found VERY useful. It's not just about eating, it's more about a general healthy lifestyle from exercise and stress control.
You can be healthy just by being vegan or eating a balanced diet with no restriction apart from making sure you hit your calories/micronutrients & fiber if you , no need to follow one diet in order to have a general healthy lifestyle.
Some can. Some can't.
Sometimes specific diets are best for meeting a person's health needs.
That's not what she was saying. She said it in a general sense. She never mentionned anything about those with specific needs.
I realize that, but she did not specify that she was talking about only healthy people either.
Ok, so you assume she was talking about a minority of people despite not mentionning anything? She basically said to read a book from some author on how Paleo and keto is not just about eating, it's about a general healthy lifestyle. For the majority of the people here who don't have health issues can see this statement as "Keto and Paleo is the only way to have a general healthy lifestyle from exercise and stress control" as she states it. She should've been more precise with that statement unless she actually thinks that keto and paleo is the only way to live a healthy lifestyle. You can understand I hope that her statement can be misleading.
No I assumed it was directed at all people in general, hence the "some can, some can't" response to someone else's reply to a book that someone recommended because she found it helpful. You added the "Keto and Paleo is the only way". She did not. She actually said:... It's not just about eating, it's more about a general healthy lifestyle from exercise and stress control.
to-may-toes....to-mah-toes....in the end, it meant the same thing.
I don't see how. I guess I don't think they have the same meaning:
"It's not just about eating, it's more about a general healthy lifestyle from exercise and stress control." =/= "Keto and Paleo is the only way to have a general healthy lifestyle from exercise and stress control."
4 -
I have elimated breads, pasta, rice, processed junk, corn, peas, beans ... and I am down 27 lbs. I honestly don't count calories or carbs. But by eliminating those items if I do enter my foods my carbs aren't higher then 20 grams. I find that you have to make it work for you to continue it. I don't call it a diet, its a life change .. you gotta make it something you will stick with! I have heard good things about Keto though. I just don't label what I am doing Find what works for you! 4
-
I met with a new doctor for the first time this week. I've been eating keto for three months and although I was excited to report a 30 pound loss in that time I was really concerned what a professional would say about the food choices. It surprised me when he said that he, too, eats keto. He does it for the energy and mental clarity as he does not need to lose weight. He also mentioned that his patients that include intermitant fasting tend to lose the weight faster. I have noticed the added energy (and I sleep better) and my mom, who is also eating keto, has noticed better brain function. As dementia runs in the family that is one of her reasons for eating keto.
I've been overweight, obese or morbidly obese my entire adult life (ever since having kids). I've never tried a diet that is this easy to follow, doesn't leave me feeling deprived and left me feeling this good (and I've tried my share of diets). Additionally, the weight that I've lost has primarily been from around my middle. I've lost six inches in my waist and pants that I couldn't get on three months ago are falling off me now. I'm pleased that I'm losing belly fat as studies suggest that belly fat is the most dangerous to a persons health. Eating a calorie deficit has been almost TOO easy on keto as the abundance of fats keeps me satisfied and not craving food. I've ageraged less than 1150 calories a day over the course of three months even though my target is 1200.4 -
amybethjack wrote: »He also mentioned that his patients that include intermitant fasting tend to lose the weight faster.
No it doesn't, you only lose weight faster if your caloric deficit is too big or if you're obese to begin with and experience a huge weight drop in the first few weeks because of the water weight. IF happened to be the tool they used to acheive that, but no scientific study will show that IF makes you lose weight faster.3 -
amybethjack wrote: »...He also mentioned that his patients that include intermitant fasting tend to lose the weight faster...
That just shows how little doctors know about nutrition. Science says otherwise:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261561417301255
https://www.iifym.com/intermittent-fasting-myths-debunked/
https://www.myoleanfitness.com/intermittent-fasting-vs-traditional-dieting/
Nor is keto any more efficient for fat loss than any other diet:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1550413115003502
https://www.myoleanfitness.com/intermittent-fasting-vs-traditional-dieting/
From the ISSN's Position Stand on Diets and Body Composition:...It has been postulated that the production and utilization of ketone bodies impart a unique metabolic state that, in theory, should outperform non-ketogenic conditions for the goal of fat loss [45]. However, this claim is largely based on research involving higher protein intakes in the LCD/KD groups. Even small differences in protein can result in significant advantages to the higher intake. A meta-analysis by Clifton et al. [52] found that a 5% or greater protein intake difference between diets at 12 months was associated with a threefold greater effect size for fat loss. Soenen et al. [53] systematically demonstrated that the higher protein content of low-carbohydrate diets, rather than their lower CHO content, was the crucial factor in promoting greater weight loss during controlled hypocaloric conditions. This is not too surprising, considering that protein is known to be the most satiating macronutrient [54]...
...With scant exception [56], all controlled interventions to date that matched protein and energy intake between KD and non-KD conditions have failed to show a fat loss advantage of the KD [51, 53, 57, 58, 59, 60]. A recent review by Hall [61] states, “There has never been an inpatient controlled feeding study testing the effects of isocaloric diets with equal protein that has reported significantly increased energy expenditure or greater loss of body fat with lower carbohydrate diets.” In light of this and the previously discussed research, the ‘special effects’ of LCD and KD are not due to their alleged metabolic advantage, but their higher protein content. Perhaps the strongest evidence against the alleged metabolic advantage of carbohydrate restriction is a recent pair of meta-analyses by Hall and Guo [60], which included only isocaloric, protein-matched controlled feeding studies where all food intake was provided to the subjects (as opposed to self-selected and self-reported intake). A total of 32 studies were included in the analysis. Carbohydrate ranged from 1 to 83% and dietary fat ranged from 4 to 84% of total energy. No thermic or fat loss advantage was seen in the lower-CHO conditions. In fact, the opposite was revealed. Both energy expenditure (EE) and fat loss were slightly greater in the higher-CHO/lower-fat conditions (EE by 26 kcal/day, fat loss by 16 g/d); however, the authors conceded that these differences were too small to be considered practically meaningful.6 -
amybethjack wrote: »He also mentioned that his patients that include intermitant fasting tend to lose the weight faster.
No it doesn't, you only lose weight faster if your caloric deficit is too big or if you're obese to begin with and experience a huge weight drop in the first few weeks because of the water weight. IF happened to be the tool they used to acheive that, but no scientific study will show that IF makes you lose weight faster.
exactly Ive done IF most of my life and I didnt lose any faster doing IF than when I didnt do IF. even when I did keto it made NO difference.2 -
amybethjack wrote: »I met with a new doctor for the first time this week. I've been eating keto for three months and although I was excited to report a 30 pound loss in that time I was really concerned what a professional would say about the food choices. It surprised me when he said that he, too, eats keto. He does it for the energy and mental clarity as he does not need to lose weight. He also mentioned that his patients that include intermitant fasting tend to lose the weight faster. I have noticed the added energy (and I sleep better) and my mom, who is also eating keto, has noticed better brain function. As dementia runs in the family that is one of her reasons for eating keto.
I've been overweight, obese or morbidly obese my entire adult life (ever since having kids). I've never tried a diet that is this easy to follow, doesn't leave me feeling deprived and left me feeling this good (and I've tried my share of diets). Additionally, the weight that I've lost has primarily been from around my middle. I've lost six inches in my waist and pants that I couldn't get on three months ago are falling off me now. I'm pleased that I'm losing belly fat as studies suggest that belly fat is the most dangerous to a persons health. Eating a calorie deficit has been almost TOO easy on keto as the abundance of fats keeps me satisfied and not craving food. I've ageraged less than 1150 calories a day over the course of three months even though my target is 1200.
What type of doctor?0 -
amybethjack wrote: »I met with a new doctor for the first time this week. I've been eating keto for three months and although I was excited to report a 30 pound loss in that time I was really concerned what a professional would say about the food choices. It surprised me when he said that he, too, eats keto. He does it for the energy and mental clarity as he does not need to lose weight. He also mentioned that his patients that include intermitant fasting tend to lose the weight faster. I have noticed the added energy (and I sleep better) and my mom, who is also eating keto, has noticed better brain function. As dementia runs in the family that is one of her reasons for eating keto.
I've been overweight, obese or morbidly obese my entire adult life (ever since having kids). I've never tried a diet that is this easy to follow, doesn't leave me feeling deprived and left me feeling this good (and I've tried my share of diets). Additionally, the weight that I've lost has primarily been from around my middle. I've lost six inches in my waist and pants that I couldn't get on three months ago are falling off me now. I'm pleased that I'm losing belly fat as studies suggest that belly fat is the most dangerous to a persons health. Eating a calorie deficit has been almost TOO easy on keto as the abundance of fats keeps me satisfied and not craving food. I've ageraged less than 1150 calories a day over the course of three months even though my target is 1200.
1150 is too little unless you are very short,sedentary.elderly or a combo of the 3. as for dementia and keto the studies are still lacking on if it actually helps with dementia or not. you lost weight quick because you have been eating a pretty big deficit. 10 lbs a month is too much even for an obese person to lose . keto also doesnt make everyone have more energy or better brain function,etc. it made all my health issues worse and zapped my energy2 -
amybethjack wrote: »I met with a new doctor for the first time this week. I've been eating keto for three months and although I was excited to report a 30 pound loss in that time I was really concerned what a professional would say about the food choices. It surprised me when he said that he, too, eats keto. He does it for the energy and mental clarity as he does not need to lose weight. He also mentioned that his patients that include intermitant fasting tend to lose the weight faster. I have noticed the added energy (and I sleep better) and my mom, who is also eating keto, has noticed better brain function. As dementia runs in the family that is one of her reasons for eating keto.
I've been overweight, obese or morbidly obese my entire adult life (ever since having kids). I've never tried a diet that is this easy to follow, doesn't leave me feeling deprived and left me feeling this good (and I've tried my share of diets). Additionally, the weight that I've lost has primarily been from around my middle. I've lost six inches in my waist and pants that I couldn't get on three months ago are falling off me now. I'm pleased that I'm losing belly fat as studies suggest that belly fat is the most dangerous to a persons health. Eating a calorie deficit has been almost TOO easy on keto as the abundance of fats keeps me satisfied and not craving food. I've ageraged less than 1150 calories a day over the course of three months even though my target is 1200.
I'd be looking at finding a new doctor who knows how to research properly. While some find keto and IF to be great tools for weight loss, improved sleep, mental clarity etc, others find the opposite holds true. On top of this there is no research to suggest that those that do IF lose weight faster than those that don't, all other things being equal. I have no problems with doctors mentioning keto and IF as possible tools for weight loss but I'd expect both pros and cons to be discussed. Well, I'd actually prefer a referral to a dietitian who has a considerable amount of knowledge in this field.6 -
I've been keto for a year and a half for my epilepsy, and not only has it controlled my seizures, I lost 130lbs. Easy for me to stick to because of the epilepsy, and I'm able to exercise a lot more and have been doing lots long-distance hiking and powerlifting. No downsides, upsides are physical fitness, a healthy weight, better sleep and mood, and seizure control.4
-
I've been keto for a year and a half for my epilepsy, and not only has it controlled my seizures, I lost 130lbs. Easy for me to stick to because of the epilepsy, and I'm able to exercise a lot more and have been doing lots long-distance hiking and powerlifting. No downsides, upsides are physical fitness, a healthy weight, better sleep and mood, and seizure control.
because one of its main uses was used for epileptics and epilepsy.They are discovering it works for those with type 2 diabetes,insulin resistance and pcos.0 -
I've always been a carb craver but seem to lose better and maintain better if I try to keep them under control. I've just started dieting to take off weight gained during a stressful year and am working with a LOW CARB diet rather than strict keto. I try to keep my carbs at 30 gr or less although I don't beat myself up if I go over a bit on special occasions. I also researched some lists of high fiber veggies and fruits. I think the strict keto (5 gr of carbs or less) is probably unhealthy. I'm packing in a lot of dark leafy greens, taking a multi-vitamin and eating smaller amounts of other veggies. I'm not gorging on fat! I also am keeping my calories at around 1200 a day. I'm taking off between 1.5 and 2.5 a week. When I get to my goal I'll see if I can add some carbs and still maintain.1
-
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »amybethjack wrote: »I met with a new doctor for the first time this week. I've been eating keto for three months and although I was excited to report a 30 pound loss in that time I was really concerned what a professional would say about the food choices. It surprised me when he said that he, too, eats keto. He does it for the energy and mental clarity as he does not need to lose weight. He also mentioned that his patients that include intermitant fasting tend to lose the weight faster. I have noticed the added energy (and I sleep better) and my mom, who is also eating keto, has noticed better brain function. As dementia runs in the family that is one of her reasons for eating keto.
I've been overweight, obese or morbidly obese my entire adult life (ever since having kids). I've never tried a diet that is this easy to follow, doesn't leave me feeling deprived and left me feeling this good (and I've tried my share of diets). Additionally, the weight that I've lost has primarily been from around my middle. I've lost six inches in my waist and pants that I couldn't get on three months ago are falling off me now. I'm pleased that I'm losing belly fat as studies suggest that belly fat is the most dangerous to a persons health. Eating a calorie deficit has been almost TOO easy on keto as the abundance of fats keeps me satisfied and not craving food. I've ageraged less than 1150 calories a day over the course of three months even though my target is 1200.
1150 is too little unless you are very short,sedentary.elderly or a combo of the 3. as for dementia and keto the studies are still lacking on if it actually helps with dementia or not. you lost weight quick because you have been eating a pretty big deficit. 10 lbs a month is too much even for an obese person to lose . keto also doesnt make everyone have more energy or better brain function,etc. it made all my health issues worse and zapped my energy
Yes, but as someone with familial hypercholesterolemia, you are the exception to to rule. Just like I, as a celiac, am one of the few who shown avoid most baked goods. Our experiences aren't very relevant to others.
I agree that 1150 kcal is on the low side for long term weight loss. I think that could make it harder to get more than the minimum of protein needed by most people.
As to dementia and ketosis, research in the area is growing rapidly. A ketogenic diet does seem to tend to help those with dementia (along with their other treatments).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6021549/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367001/
This is just an article but it has a good list of references:
https://universityhealthnews.com/daily/memory/ketogenic-diet-shows-promising-results-for-all-dementia-stages/4 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »amybethjack wrote: »I met with a new doctor for the first time this week. I've been eating keto for three months and although I was excited to report a 30 pound loss in that time I was really concerned what a professional would say about the food choices. It surprised me when he said that he, too, eats keto. He does it for the energy and mental clarity as he does not need to lose weight. He also mentioned that his patients that include intermitant fasting tend to lose the weight faster. I have noticed the added energy (and I sleep better) and my mom, who is also eating keto, has noticed better brain function. As dementia runs in the family that is one of her reasons for eating keto.
I've been overweight, obese or morbidly obese my entire adult life (ever since having kids). I've never tried a diet that is this easy to follow, doesn't leave me feeling deprived and left me feeling this good (and I've tried my share of diets). Additionally, the weight that I've lost has primarily been from around my middle. I've lost six inches in my waist and pants that I couldn't get on three months ago are falling off me now. I'm pleased that I'm losing belly fat as studies suggest that belly fat is the most dangerous to a persons health. Eating a calorie deficit has been almost TOO easy on keto as the abundance of fats keeps me satisfied and not craving food. I've ageraged less than 1150 calories a day over the course of three months even though my target is 1200.
1150 is too little unless you are very short,sedentary.elderly or a combo of the 3. as for dementia and keto the studies are still lacking on if it actually helps with dementia or not. you lost weight quick because you have been eating a pretty big deficit. 10 lbs a month is too much even for an obese person to lose . keto also doesnt make everyone have more energy or better brain function,etc. it made all my health issues worse and zapped my energy
Yes, but as someone with familial hypercholesterolemia, you are the exception to to rule. Just like I, as a celiac, am one of the few who shown avoid most baked goods. Our experiences aren't very relevant to others.
I agree that 1150 kcal is on the low side for long term weight loss. I think that could make it harder to get more than the minimum of protein needed by most people.
As to dementia and ketosis, research in the area is growing rapidly. A ketogenic diet does seem to tend to help those with dementia (along with their other treatments).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6021549/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367001/
This is just an article but it has a good list of references:
https://universityhealthnews.com/daily/memory/ketogenic-diet-shows-promising-results-for-all-dementia-stages/
Im not the only exception to the rule aside from my FH though,when it comes to keto/low carb. there are others who did keto and felt bad limiting their carbs and they dont have FH. many of those people who stated on the board that they felt less energetic and their workouts suffered from doing low carb/keto. it also made them moody. so no Im not the only exception. there are many others on this board who claimed that keto/low carb just did not do the things that others have claimed it has done for them.
4 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »amybethjack wrote: »I met with a new doctor for the first time this week. I've been eating keto for three months and although I was excited to report a 30 pound loss in that time I was really concerned what a professional would say about the food choices. It surprised me when he said that he, too, eats keto. He does it for the energy and mental clarity as he does not need to lose weight. He also mentioned that his patients that include intermitant fasting tend to lose the weight faster. I have noticed the added energy (and I sleep better) and my mom, who is also eating keto, has noticed better brain function. As dementia runs in the family that is one of her reasons for eating keto.
I've been overweight, obese or morbidly obese my entire adult life (ever since having kids). I've never tried a diet that is this easy to follow, doesn't leave me feeling deprived and left me feeling this good (and I've tried my share of diets). Additionally, the weight that I've lost has primarily been from around my middle. I've lost six inches in my waist and pants that I couldn't get on three months ago are falling off me now. I'm pleased that I'm losing belly fat as studies suggest that belly fat is the most dangerous to a persons health. Eating a calorie deficit has been almost TOO easy on keto as the abundance of fats keeps me satisfied and not craving food. I've ageraged less than 1150 calories a day over the course of three months even though my target is 1200.
1150 is too little unless you are very short,sedentary.elderly or a combo of the 3. as for dementia and keto the studies are still lacking on if it actually helps with dementia or not. you lost weight quick because you have been eating a pretty big deficit. 10 lbs a month is too much even for an obese person to lose . keto also doesnt make everyone have more energy or better brain function,etc. it made all my health issues worse and zapped my energy
Yes, but as someone with familial hypercholesterolemia, you are the exception to to rule. Just like I, as a celiac, am one of the few who shown avoid most baked goods. Our experiences aren't very relevant to others.
I agree that 1150 kcal is on the low side for long term weight loss. I think that could make it harder to get more than the minimum of protein needed by most people.
As to dementia and ketosis, research in the area is growing rapidly. A ketogenic diet does seem to tend to help those with dementia (along with their other treatments).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6021549/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367001/
This is just an article but it has a good list of references:
https://universityhealthnews.com/daily/memory/ketogenic-diet-shows-promising-results-for-all-dementia-stages/
the first study says those with mild to very mild dementia. the second one says this the ketogenic diet could provide symptomatic benefit and might even be disease modifying in Alzheimer’s disease. and this-"Controlled clinical trials are required to confirm the utility of the diet as a disease-modifying approach in any of the conditions in which it has been proposed to be effective. A greater understanding of the underlying mechanisms, however, should allow the diet to be more appropriately studied. Indeed, there are many as yet unanswered questions about the use of the diet." "Caloric restriction has also been demonstrated to attenuate β-amyloid depositions in mouse models of Alzheimer disease (Patel et al., 2005; Wang et al., 2005). How the ketogenic diet and caloric restriction affect β-amyloid levels and whether this effect could be disease modifying in Alzheimer’s disease requires further study."
so that states basically that there are not enough studies and it COULD and MIGHT make a difference but calorie restriction also works. and its done on mice as there arent enough studies on humans yet.3 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »amybethjack wrote: »I met with a new doctor for the first time this week. I've been eating keto for three months and although I was excited to report a 30 pound loss in that time I was really concerned what a professional would say about the food choices. It surprised me when he said that he, too, eats keto. He does it for the energy and mental clarity as he does not need to lose weight. He also mentioned that his patients that include intermitant fasting tend to lose the weight faster. I have noticed the added energy (and I sleep better) and my mom, who is also eating keto, has noticed better brain function. As dementia runs in the family that is one of her reasons for eating keto.
I've been overweight, obese or morbidly obese my entire adult life (ever since having kids). I've never tried a diet that is this easy to follow, doesn't leave me feeling deprived and left me feeling this good (and I've tried my share of diets). Additionally, the weight that I've lost has primarily been from around my middle. I've lost six inches in my waist and pants that I couldn't get on three months ago are falling off me now. I'm pleased that I'm losing belly fat as studies suggest that belly fat is the most dangerous to a persons health. Eating a calorie deficit has been almost TOO easy on keto as the abundance of fats keeps me satisfied and not craving food. I've ageraged less than 1150 calories a day over the course of three months even though my target is 1200.
1150 is too little unless you are very short,sedentary.elderly or a combo of the 3. as for dementia and keto the studies are still lacking on if it actually helps with dementia or not. you lost weight quick because you have been eating a pretty big deficit. 10 lbs a month is too much even for an obese person to lose . keto also doesnt make everyone have more energy or better brain function,etc. it made all my health issues worse and zapped my energy
Yes, but as someone with familial hypercholesterolemia, you are the exception to to rule. Just like I, as a celiac, am one of the few who shown avoid most baked goods. Our experiences aren't very relevant to others.
I agree that 1150 kcal is on the low side for long term weight loss. I think that could make it harder to get more than the minimum of protein needed by most people.
As to dementia and ketosis, research in the area is growing rapidly. A ketogenic diet does seem to tend to help those with dementia (along with their other treatments).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6021549/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367001/
This is just an article but it has a good list of references:
https://universityhealthnews.com/daily/memory/ketogenic-diet-shows-promising-results-for-all-dementia-stages/
Im not the only exception to the rule aside from my FH though,when it comes to keto/low carb. there are others who did keto and felt bad limiting their carbs and they dont have FH. many of those people who stated on the board that they felt less energetic and their workouts suffered from doing low carb/keto. it also made them moody. so no Im not the only exception. there are many others on this board who claimed that keto/low carb just did not do the things that others have claimed it has done for them.
I did not say you were the only exception to the rule. There are others who do not enjoy, benefit from, or need a very low carb diet.
It's just that with your health issue, your experience may not be relevant to the OP. Just like for most people, eating bread probably won't make arthritis flare up for weeks like it would for me.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »amybethjack wrote: »I met with a new doctor for the first time this week. I've been eating keto for three months and although I was excited to report a 30 pound loss in that time I was really concerned what a professional would say about the food choices. It surprised me when he said that he, too, eats keto. He does it for the energy and mental clarity as he does not need to lose weight. He also mentioned that his patients that include intermitant fasting tend to lose the weight faster. I have noticed the added energy (and I sleep better) and my mom, who is also eating keto, has noticed better brain function. As dementia runs in the family that is one of her reasons for eating keto.
I've been overweight, obese or morbidly obese my entire adult life (ever since having kids). I've never tried a diet that is this easy to follow, doesn't leave me feeling deprived and left me feeling this good (and I've tried my share of diets). Additionally, the weight that I've lost has primarily been from around my middle. I've lost six inches in my waist and pants that I couldn't get on three months ago are falling off me now. I'm pleased that I'm losing belly fat as studies suggest that belly fat is the most dangerous to a persons health. Eating a calorie deficit has been almost TOO easy on keto as the abundance of fats keeps me satisfied and not craving food. I've ageraged less than 1150 calories a day over the course of three months even though my target is 1200.
1150 is too little unless you are very short,sedentary.elderly or a combo of the 3. as for dementia and keto the studies are still lacking on if it actually helps with dementia or not. you lost weight quick because you have been eating a pretty big deficit. 10 lbs a month is too much even for an obese person to lose . keto also doesnt make everyone have more energy or better brain function,etc. it made all my health issues worse and zapped my energy
Yes, but as someone with familial hypercholesterolemia, you are the exception to to rule. Just like I, as a celiac, am one of the few who shown avoid most baked goods. Our experiences aren't very relevant to others.
I agree that 1150 kcal is on the low side for long term weight loss. I think that could make it harder to get more than the minimum of protein needed by most people.
As to dementia and ketosis, research in the area is growing rapidly. A ketogenic diet does seem to tend to help those with dementia (along with their other treatments).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6021549/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367001/
This is just an article but it has a good list of references:
https://universityhealthnews.com/daily/memory/ketogenic-diet-shows-promising-results-for-all-dementia-stages/
the first study says those with mild to very mild dementia. the second one says this the ketogenic diet could provide symptomatic benefit and might even be disease modifying in Alzheimer’s disease. and this-"Controlled clinical trials are required to confirm the utility of the diet as a disease-modifying approach in any of the conditions in which it has been proposed to be effective. A greater understanding of the underlying mechanisms, however, should allow the diet to be more appropriately studied. Indeed, there are many as yet unanswered questions about the use of the diet." "Caloric restriction has also been demonstrated to attenuate β-amyloid depositions in mouse models of Alzheimer disease (Patel et al., 2005; Wang et al., 2005). How the ketogenic diet and caloric restriction affect β-amyloid levels and whether this effect could be disease modifying in Alzheimer’s disease requires further study."
so that states basically that there are not enough studies and it COULD and MIGHT make a difference but calorie restriction also works. and its done on mice as there arent enough studies on humans yet.
Yes. I know what they said.
My post said research in the area is growing, and that it appears that ketogenic diets tend to help (meaning it does not always but in most test subjects it did help to a degree). I did not say it was sure treatment, nor the only treatment.
Lots of other things can help too such as drugs, exercise, and calorie restriction (which could be the "other treatment" I mentioned.)4 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »amybethjack wrote: »I met with a new doctor for the first time this week. I've been eating keto for three months and although I was excited to report a 30 pound loss in that time I was really concerned what a professional would say about the food choices. It surprised me when he said that he, too, eats keto. He does it for the energy and mental clarity as he does not need to lose weight. He also mentioned that his patients that include intermitant fasting tend to lose the weight faster. I have noticed the added energy (and I sleep better) and my mom, who is also eating keto, has noticed better brain function. As dementia runs in the family that is one of her reasons for eating keto.
I've been overweight, obese or morbidly obese my entire adult life (ever since having kids). I've never tried a diet that is this easy to follow, doesn't leave me feeling deprived and left me feeling this good (and I've tried my share of diets). Additionally, the weight that I've lost has primarily been from around my middle. I've lost six inches in my waist and pants that I couldn't get on three months ago are falling off me now. I'm pleased that I'm losing belly fat as studies suggest that belly fat is the most dangerous to a persons health. Eating a calorie deficit has been almost TOO easy on keto as the abundance of fats keeps me satisfied and not craving food. I've ageraged less than 1150 calories a day over the course of three months even though my target is 1200.
1150 is too little unless you are very short,sedentary.elderly or a combo of the 3. as for dementia and keto the studies are still lacking on if it actually helps with dementia or not. you lost weight quick because you have been eating a pretty big deficit. 10 lbs a month is too much even for an obese person to lose . keto also doesnt make everyone have more energy or better brain function,etc. it made all my health issues worse and zapped my energy
Yes, but as someone with familial hypercholesterolemia, you are the exception to to rule. Just like I, as a celiac, am one of the few who shown avoid most baked goods. Our experiences aren't very relevant to others.
I agree that 1150 kcal is on the low side for long term weight loss. I think that could make it harder to get more than the minimum of protein needed by most people.
As to dementia and ketosis, research in the area is growing rapidly. A ketogenic diet does seem to tend to help those with dementia (along with their other treatments).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6021549/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367001/
This is just an article but it has a good list of references:
https://universityhealthnews.com/daily/memory/ketogenic-diet-shows-promising-results-for-all-dementia-stages/
Im not the only exception to the rule aside from my FH though,when it comes to keto/low carb. there are others who did keto and felt bad limiting their carbs and they dont have FH. many of those people who stated on the board that they felt less energetic and their workouts suffered from doing low carb/keto. it also made them moody. so no Im not the only exception. there are many others on this board who claimed that keto/low carb just did not do the things that others have claimed it has done for them.
I did not say you were the only exception to the rule. There are others who do not enjoy, benefit from, or need a very low carb diet.
It's just that with your health issue, your experience may not be relevant to the OP. Just like for most people, eating bread probably won't make arthritis flare up for weeks like it would for me.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »amybethjack wrote: »I met with a new doctor for the first time this week. I've been eating keto for three months and although I was excited to report a 30 pound loss in that time I was really concerned what a professional would say about the food choices. It surprised me when he said that he, too, eats keto. He does it for the energy and mental clarity as he does not need to lose weight. He also mentioned that his patients that include intermitant fasting tend to lose the weight faster. I have noticed the added energy (and I sleep better) and my mom, who is also eating keto, has noticed better brain function. As dementia runs in the family that is one of her reasons for eating keto.
I've been overweight, obese or morbidly obese my entire adult life (ever since having kids). I've never tried a diet that is this easy to follow, doesn't leave me feeling deprived and left me feeling this good (and I've tried my share of diets). Additionally, the weight that I've lost has primarily been from around my middle. I've lost six inches in my waist and pants that I couldn't get on three months ago are falling off me now. I'm pleased that I'm losing belly fat as studies suggest that belly fat is the most dangerous to a persons health. Eating a calorie deficit has been almost TOO easy on keto as the abundance of fats keeps me satisfied and not craving food. I've ageraged less than 1150 calories a day over the course of three months even though my target is 1200.
1150 is too little unless you are very short,sedentary.elderly or a combo of the 3. as for dementia and keto the studies are still lacking on if it actually helps with dementia or not. you lost weight quick because you have been eating a pretty big deficit. 10 lbs a month is too much even for an obese person to lose . keto also doesnt make everyone have more energy or better brain function,etc. it made all my health issues worse and zapped my energy
Yes, but as someone with familial hypercholesterolemia, you are the exception to to rule. Just like I, as a celiac, am one of the few who shown avoid most baked goods. Our experiences aren't very relevant to others.
I agree that 1150 kcal is on the low side for long term weight loss. I think that could make it harder to get more than the minimum of protein needed by most people.
As to dementia and ketosis, research in the area is growing rapidly. A ketogenic diet does seem to tend to help those with dementia (along with their other treatments).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6021549/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367001/
This is just an article but it has a good list of references:
https://universityhealthnews.com/daily/memory/ketogenic-diet-shows-promising-results-for-all-dementia-stages/
the first study says those with mild to very mild dementia. the second one says this the ketogenic diet could provide symptomatic benefit and might even be disease modifying in Alzheimer’s disease. and this-"Controlled clinical trials are required to confirm the utility of the diet as a disease-modifying approach in any of the conditions in which it has been proposed to be effective. A greater understanding of the underlying mechanisms, however, should allow the diet to be more appropriately studied. Indeed, there are many as yet unanswered questions about the use of the diet." "Caloric restriction has also been demonstrated to attenuate β-amyloid depositions in mouse models of Alzheimer disease (Patel et al., 2005; Wang et al., 2005). How the ketogenic diet and caloric restriction affect β-amyloid levels and whether this effect could be disease modifying in Alzheimer’s disease requires further study."
so that states basically that there are not enough studies and it COULD and MIGHT make a difference but calorie restriction also works. and its done on mice as there arent enough studies on humans yet.
Yes. I know what they said.
My post said research in the area is growing, and that it appears that ketogenic diets tend to help (meaning it does not always but in most test subjects it did help to a degree). I did not say it was sure treatment, nor the only treatment.
Lots of other things can help too such as drugs, exercise, and calorie restriction (which could be the "other treatment" I mentioned.)
you said "Yes, but as someone with familial hypercholesterolemia, you are the exception to to rule". I also have RA but aside from that. it says the diet could or might help. but no its not a sure thing,nothing is when it comes to diet. like me with My FH I have to take meds to lower my cholesterol. diet and exercise alone for me just doesnt work. Ive tried it off an on over the years.
even certain meds dont work. for my RA I dont need meds yet, and my diet and exercise(when I exercise) keeps it at a tolerable level. for me there are no foods that cause me inflammation as of yet. its possible down the road there could be. Im sure down the road I may need meds for it.
my whole point was that the calorie goal was too low period I also didnt say anything about my FH and dont see where it should come into play. YOU mentioned my FH I never did(I went back and looked). my point had nothing to do with keto but to do with low calories,it also had nothing to do with FH mine or anyone elses.3 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »amybethjack wrote: »I met with a new doctor for the first time this week. I've been eating keto for three months and although I was excited to report a 30 pound loss in that time I was really concerned what a professional would say about the food choices. It surprised me when he said that he, too, eats keto. He does it for the energy and mental clarity as he does not need to lose weight. He also mentioned that his patients that include intermitant fasting tend to lose the weight faster. I have noticed the added energy (and I sleep better) and my mom, who is also eating keto, has noticed better brain function. As dementia runs in the family that is one of her reasons for eating keto.
I've been overweight, obese or morbidly obese my entire adult life (ever since having kids). I've never tried a diet that is this easy to follow, doesn't leave me feeling deprived and left me feeling this good (and I've tried my share of diets). Additionally, the weight that I've lost has primarily been from around my middle. I've lost six inches in my waist and pants that I couldn't get on three months ago are falling off me now. I'm pleased that I'm losing belly fat as studies suggest that belly fat is the most dangerous to a persons health. Eating a calorie deficit has been almost TOO easy on keto as the abundance of fats keeps me satisfied and not craving food. I've ageraged less than 1150 calories a day over the course of three months even though my target is 1200.
1150 is too little unless you are very short,sedentary.elderly or a combo of the 3. as for dementia and keto the studies are still lacking on if it actually helps with dementia or not. you lost weight quick because you have been eating a pretty big deficit. 10 lbs a month is too much even for an obese person to lose . keto also doesnt make everyone have more energy or better brain function,etc. it made all my health issues worse and zapped my energy
Yes, but as someone with familial hypercholesterolemia, you are the exception to to rule. Just like I, as a celiac, am one of the few who shown avoid most baked goods. Our experiences aren't very relevant to others.
I agree that 1150 kcal is on the low side for long term weight loss. I think that could make it harder to get more than the minimum of protein needed by most people.
As to dementia and ketosis, research in the area is growing rapidly. A ketogenic diet does seem to tend to help those with dementia (along with their other treatments).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6021549/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367001/
This is just an article but it has a good list of references:
https://universityhealthnews.com/daily/memory/ketogenic-diet-shows-promising-results-for-all-dementia-stages/
Im not the only exception to the rule aside from my FH though,when it comes to keto/low carb. there are others who did keto and felt bad limiting their carbs and they dont have FH. many of those people who stated on the board that they felt less energetic and their workouts suffered from doing low carb/keto. it also made them moody. so no Im not the only exception. there are many others on this board who claimed that keto/low carb just did not do the things that others have claimed it has done for them.
I did not say you were the only exception to the rule. There are others who do not enjoy, benefit from, or need a very low carb diet.
It's just that with your health issue, your experience may not be relevant to the OP. Just like for most people, eating bread probably won't make arthritis flare up for weeks like it would for me.CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »amybethjack wrote: »I met with a new doctor for the first time this week. I've been eating keto for three months and although I was excited to report a 30 pound loss in that time I was really concerned what a professional would say about the food choices. It surprised me when he said that he, too, eats keto. He does it for the energy and mental clarity as he does not need to lose weight. He also mentioned that his patients that include intermitant fasting tend to lose the weight faster. I have noticed the added energy (and I sleep better) and my mom, who is also eating keto, has noticed better brain function. As dementia runs in the family that is one of her reasons for eating keto.
I've been overweight, obese or morbidly obese my entire adult life (ever since having kids). I've never tried a diet that is this easy to follow, doesn't leave me feeling deprived and left me feeling this good (and I've tried my share of diets). Additionally, the weight that I've lost has primarily been from around my middle. I've lost six inches in my waist and pants that I couldn't get on three months ago are falling off me now. I'm pleased that I'm losing belly fat as studies suggest that belly fat is the most dangerous to a persons health. Eating a calorie deficit has been almost TOO easy on keto as the abundance of fats keeps me satisfied and not craving food. I've ageraged less than 1150 calories a day over the course of three months even though my target is 1200.
1150 is too little unless you are very short,sedentary.elderly or a combo of the 3. as for dementia and keto the studies are still lacking on if it actually helps with dementia or not. you lost weight quick because you have been eating a pretty big deficit. 10 lbs a month is too much even for an obese person to lose . keto also doesnt make everyone have more energy or better brain function,etc. it made all my health issues worse and zapped my energy
Yes, but as someone with familial hypercholesterolemia, you are the exception to to rule. Just like I, as a celiac, am one of the few who shown avoid most baked goods. Our experiences aren't very relevant to others.
I agree that 1150 kcal is on the low side for long term weight loss. I think that could make it harder to get more than the minimum of protein needed by most people.
As to dementia and ketosis, research in the area is growing rapidly. A ketogenic diet does seem to tend to help those with dementia (along with their other treatments).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6021549/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2367001/
This is just an article but it has a good list of references:
https://universityhealthnews.com/daily/memory/ketogenic-diet-shows-promising-results-for-all-dementia-stages/
the first study says those with mild to very mild dementia. the second one says this the ketogenic diet could provide symptomatic benefit and might even be disease modifying in Alzheimer’s disease. and this-"Controlled clinical trials are required to confirm the utility of the diet as a disease-modifying approach in any of the conditions in which it has been proposed to be effective. A greater understanding of the underlying mechanisms, however, should allow the diet to be more appropriately studied. Indeed, there are many as yet unanswered questions about the use of the diet." "Caloric restriction has also been demonstrated to attenuate β-amyloid depositions in mouse models of Alzheimer disease (Patel et al., 2005; Wang et al., 2005). How the ketogenic diet and caloric restriction affect β-amyloid levels and whether this effect could be disease modifying in Alzheimer’s disease requires further study."
so that states basically that there are not enough studies and it COULD and MIGHT make a difference but calorie restriction also works. and its done on mice as there arent enough studies on humans yet.
Yes. I know what they said.
My post said research in the area is growing, and that it appears that ketogenic diets tend to help (meaning it does not always but in most test subjects it did help to a degree). I did not say it was sure treatment, nor the only treatment.
Lots of other things can help too such as drugs, exercise, and calorie restriction (which could be the "other treatment" I mentioned.)
you said "Yes, but as someone with familial hypercholesterolemia, you are the exception to to rule". I also have RA but aside from that. it says the diet could or might help. but no its not a sure thing,nothing is when it comes to diet. like me with My FH I have to take meds to lower my cholesterol. diet and exercise alone for me just doesnt work. Ive tried it off an on over the years.
even certain meds dont work. for my RA I dont need meds yet, and my diet and exercise(when I exercise) keeps it at a tolerable level. for me there are no foods that cause me inflammation as of yet. its possible down the road there could be. Im sure down the road I may need meds for it.
my whole point was that the calorie goal was too low period I also didnt say anything about my FH and dont see where it should come into play. YOU mentioned my FH I never did(I went back and looked). my point had nothing to do with keto but to do with low calories,it also had nothing to do with FH mine or anyone elses.
I only mentioned FH because you were discussing your experiences. You mentioned that keto made all your health issues worse and zapped your energy. I thought FH might have something to do with that.
As you know, I have had success with keto. I am sure it is because I had IR and autoimmune issues that respond positively to low carb levels. It increased my energy and improved my health issues. I know health history matters in how a body responds to a diet. That's all.
I absolutely agree that 800 kcal or so is probably too low. And I'm glad you found something that helps your RA.
I agree that I should have typed "an" exception to the rule rather than "the" exception to the rule. That was my semantics error. I did not mean to imply that you are the only one.3
This discussion has been closed.
Categories
- All Categories
- 1.4M Health, Wellness and Goals
- 393.7K Introduce Yourself
- 43.8K Getting Started
- 260.3K Health and Weight Loss
- 176K Food and Nutrition
- 47.5K Recipes
- 232.6K Fitness and Exercise
- 431 Sleep, Mindfulness and Overall Wellness
- 6.5K Goal: Maintaining Weight
- 8.6K Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
- 153K Motivation and Support
- 8.1K Challenges
- 1.3K Debate Club
- 96.4K Chit-Chat
- 2.5K Fun and Games
- 3.8K MyFitnessPal Information
- 23 News and Announcements
- 1.2K Feature Suggestions and Ideas
- 2.6K MyFitnessPal Tech Support Questions