Keto vs Low Carb
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travelling_lots wrote: »To say the only way keto works is calorie deficit is missing some major points. I am not saying you need to like it or try it but you may understand it you you do some research on it. For most keto people weight loss is a benefit but not the goal.
Yes, and thanks.
I know what you mean. I’m still researching it.
But I’m only doing it for two months as a jump start. My back would have recovered by then and be fully mobile too.
Not saying I’ll be back running 10-13 km daily 6 days a week either.
But will be more mindful on my calories then.
Since I’ll be at my correct weight. So I’ll be going back to my old paleo lifestyle.
You think you're going to lose 30lbs in 2 months on keto?3 -
I eat carb-heavy too, and maintain my weight at 105 after a 50 lb. loss. At my heaviest my blood pressure was scarily high, my HDL and LDL numbers were out of control, my resting heart rate was over 90 and I was edging toward pre-diabetic. When I had my last exam in April all my numbers were in normal range.
This is my n=1, of course. However, I would like to drop this here for consideration.
The National Weight Control Registry (NWCR), established in 1994 by
Rena Wing, Ph.D. from Brown Medical School, and James O. Hill, Ph.D. from the University of Colorado, is the largest prospective investigation of long-term successful weight loss maintenance.
The NWCR is tracking over 10,000 individuals who have lost significant amounts of weight and kept it off for long periods of time.
"There is variety in how NWCR members keep the weight off. Most report continuing to maintain a low calorie, low fat diet and doing high levels of activity."
http://www.nwcr.ws/Research/default.htm
eta: I'm not advocating for any particular diet for weight loss, maintenance or health, obviously any study of this nature will have self-selected participants, and will be biased in their population sample in one way or another. I'm just pointing out plenty of people lose weight and keep it off reducing calories and eating lower fat.4 -
To say the only way keto works is calorie deficit is missing some major points. I am not saying you need to like it or try it but you may understand it you you do some research on it. For most keto people weight loss is a benefit but not the goal.
Let's reframe it just a bit and say "the only way weight loss on keto works is calorie deficit".
Just like any other macro combination.
You have to consume less calories than you expend to lose weight (talking fat loss, not water weight), no matter what you're eating or what time of the day you're eating it.
So in the context of a keto diet vs. a low carb non-keto diet, it would be irrelevant for weight loss (talking fat loss again, not water weight). Given equivalent calories in each diet, the weight loss result would be the same (and it would also be the same for a diet which was neither keto nor low carb).4 -
The magic weight loss pill is absolutely CI<CO. I've been successful in losing weight in the past but haven't mastered the art of maintenance, at all.
For me, as a Type 2 diabetic, restriction of carbohydrates is definitely beneficial for me, but I'm not interested in full blown Keto, as personally, it's not a sustainable lifestyle for me.
That being said, based on a bit of carbohydrate restriction and what's worked for me in the past, I've set my macros to 40F/30C/30P and 2200 calories/day. (Sedentary, 5'10 male, CW 302#. Exercise is mostly walking with some strength training planned in the near future).
I log regularly and fairly accurately and would be happy to share any of what's worked for me. Please feel free to add me as a friend if you'd like.4 -
To say the only way keto works is calorie deficit is missing some major points. I am not saying you need to like it or try it but you may understand it you you do some research on it. For most keto people weight loss is a benefit but not the goal.
Let's reframe it just a bit and say "the only way weight loss on keto works is calorie deficit".
Just like any other macro combination.
You have to consume less calories than you expend to lose weight (talking fat loss, not water weight), no matter what you're eating or what time of the day you're eating it.
So in the context of a keto diet vs. a low carb non-keto diet, it would be irrelevant for weight loss (talking fat loss again, not water weight). Given equivalent calories in each diet, the weight loss result would be the same (and it would also be the same for a diet which was neither keto nor low carb).
I am just saying that CICO is not the only relevant point of keto or LCHF lifestyle. Why keto works, for some, is a much larger picture than just CICO but yes CICO is very much in there. It's like saying with CICO it doesn't matter if you eat sugary foods as long as you are in deficit. While mathematically that is true but in reality it just doesn't work that way. Why? Insulin response is not a function of calories but of food composition.9 -
ireallyneedit wrote: »I just started a keto plan and have also doing it for my husband and daughter. My question is MyFitnessPal does not seem to take the carbs and subtract the fibre to get net carbs. I use the foods already calculated on this app . Do you have any suggestions for me?
Hey...go to settings on myfitnesspal and you can track fiber on your daily food diary. That will help you keep track of carbs. Stay under 20 NET carbs.
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To say the only way keto works is calorie deficit is missing some major points. I am not saying you need to like it or try it but you may understand it you you do some research on it. For most keto people weight loss is a benefit but not the goal.
Let's reframe it just a bit and say "the only way weight loss on keto works is calorie deficit".
Just like any other macro combination.
You have to consume less calories than you expend to lose weight (talking fat loss, not water weight), no matter what you're eating or what time of the day you're eating it.
So in the context of a keto diet vs. a low carb non-keto diet, it would be irrelevant for weight loss (talking fat loss again, not water weight). Given equivalent calories in each diet, the weight loss result would be the same (and it would also be the same for a diet which was neither keto nor low carb).
I am just saying that CICO is not the only relevant point of keto or LCHF lifestyle. Why keto works, for some, is a much larger picture than just CICO but yes CICO is very much in there. It's like saying with CICO it doesn't matter if you eat sugary foods as long as you are in deficit. While mathematically that is true but in reality it just doesn't work that way. Why? Insulin response is not a function of calories but of food composition.
I won't go into the insulin debate again, but you're being sold a false bill of goods with the insulin obesity theory. That's all I'll say about it here, there's plenty of talk about it in the Debate forum.5 -
To say the only way keto works is calorie deficit is missing some major points. I am not saying you need to like it or try it but you may understand it you you do some research on it. For most keto people weight loss is a benefit but not the goal.
Let's reframe it just a bit and say "the only way weight loss on keto works is calorie deficit".
Just like any other macro combination.
You have to consume less calories than you expend to lose weight (talking fat loss, not water weight), no matter what you're eating or what time of the day you're eating it.
So in the context of a keto diet vs. a low carb non-keto diet, it would be irrelevant for weight loss (talking fat loss again, not water weight). Given equivalent calories in each diet, the weight loss result would be the same (and it would also be the same for a diet which was neither keto nor low carb).
I am just saying that CICO is not the only relevant point of keto or LCHF lifestyle. Why keto works, for some, is a much larger picture than just CICO but yes CICO is very much in there. It's like saying with CICO it doesn't matter if you eat sugary foods as long as you are in deficit. While mathematically that is true but in reality it just doesn't work that way. Why? Insulin response is not a function of calories but of food composition.
And me, a healthy young person with no insulin resistance or any other medical condition that would make me require to do so should be worried about insulin response... why exactly?5 -
stevencloser wrote: »To say the only way keto works is calorie deficit is missing some major points. I am not saying you need to like it or try it but you may understand it you you do some research on it. For most keto people weight loss is a benefit but not the goal.
Let's reframe it just a bit and say "the only way weight loss on keto works is calorie deficit".
Just like any other macro combination.
You have to consume less calories than you expend to lose weight (talking fat loss, not water weight), no matter what you're eating or what time of the day you're eating it.
So in the context of a keto diet vs. a low carb non-keto diet, it would be irrelevant for weight loss (talking fat loss again, not water weight). Given equivalent calories in each diet, the weight loss result would be the same (and it would also be the same for a diet which was neither keto nor low carb).
I am just saying that CICO is not the only relevant point of keto or LCHF lifestyle. Why keto works, for some, is a much larger picture than just CICO but yes CICO is very much in there. It's like saying with CICO it doesn't matter if you eat sugary foods as long as you are in deficit. While mathematically that is true but in reality it just doesn't work that way. Why? Insulin response is not a function of calories but of food composition.
And me, a healthy young person with no insulin resistance or any other medical condition that would make me require to do so should be worried about insulin response... why exactly?
No reason whatsoever. The body (in a healthy state) controls insulin secretion via a negative feedback loop. Also, there's another not-as-often mentioned hormone (glucagon) which is also produced by the pancreas and is antagonistic to insulin.
Let's not forget that insulin is also an anabolic hormone. Bodybuilders certainly don't use it to intentionally get fat.1 -
To say the only way keto works is calorie deficit is missing some major points. I am not saying you need to like it or try it but you may understand it you you do some research on it. For most keto people weight loss is a benefit but not the goal.
Let's reframe it just a bit and say "the only way weight loss on keto works is calorie deficit".
Just like any other macro combination.
You have to consume less calories than you expend to lose weight (talking fat loss, not water weight), no matter what you're eating or what time of the day you're eating it.
So in the context of a keto diet vs. a low carb non-keto diet, it would be irrelevant for weight loss (talking fat loss again, not water weight). Given equivalent calories in each diet, the weight loss result would be the same (and it would also be the same for a diet which was neither keto nor low carb).
I am just saying that CICO is not the only relevant point of keto or LCHF lifestyle. Why keto works, for some, is a much larger picture than just CICO but yes CICO is very much in there. It's like saying with CICO it doesn't matter if you eat sugary foods as long as you are in deficit. While mathematically that is true but in reality it just doesn't work that way. Why? Insulin response is not a function of calories but of food composition.
I won't go into the insulin debate again, but you're being sold a false bill of goods with the insulin obesity theory. That's all I'll say about it here, there's plenty of talk about it in the Debate forum.
Agreed we don't need to debate this. We are both capable of doing our own research.7 -
I think a common theme with many of these diets is to avoid processed foods and that's a good thing for everybody. Right now I am living a keto lifestyle and really enjoying the research and hope it provides many health benefits along with getting rid of body fat/ weight. I am not obese but would like to maintain an optimum weight and fitness level. I don't want my health to be a burden for me or my family. The only down side I have found is I sure miss my craft beer.
Oh yes, I know about missing things. I miss my pie every night with my cup tea.
I just hope these sacrifices pay off. I’ve always cook from scratch reason paleo is so easy for me. A friend is on low carb works great for her but not me. So it’s interesting.0 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »travelling_lots wrote: »To say the only way keto works is calorie deficit is missing some major points. I am not saying you need to like it or try it but you may understand it you you do some research on it. For most keto people weight loss is a benefit but not the goal.
Yes, and thanks.
I know what you mean. I’m still researching it.
But I’m only doing it for two months as a jump start. My back would have recovered by then and be fully mobile too.
Not saying I’ll be back running 10-13 km daily 6 days a week either.
But will be more mindful on my calories then.
Since I’ll be at my correct weight. So I’ll be going back to my old paleo lifestyle.
You think you're going to lose 30lbs in 2 months on keto?
Oh no, I never said that.
I’m using it as a jump start Because I’m very sedentary til My back heals which is two months.
Then I can move around and start burning calories from exercise while back on the paleo lifestyle.
The Keto diet from my understanding I would lose 2 lbs a month with sedentary lifestyle nothing else.
So, It will help me maintain weight but not gain weight. If I drop a few pounds great.
It would be completely ignorant to think yes I’ll drop 30 lbs in 2 months. You made me laugh with the question.
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ballerbryan wrote: »Ok guys so all the science behind how long it takes to process protien and fats vs carbs Must be wrong..because of course you can eat salad and cake and feel full for 18 hours right...I call BS.
Please link to where anybody said it's a good idea to eat nothing but cake and salad. We'll wait. :smh:
Unfortunately, we're in the wrong universe. Somewhere out there our other selves eating junk food and get fit
You should read my thread in the debate forum.
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4legsRbetterthan2 wrote: »ireallyneedit wrote: »I just started a keto plan and have also doing it for my husband and daughter. My question is MyFitnessPal does not seem to take the carbs and subtract the fibre to get net carbs. I use the foods already calculated on this app . Do you have any suggestions for me?
MFP does not calculate net carbs. You can set your diary to show carbs and fiber and subtract yourself. That's the best method at this point. If you have more questions please feel free to start your own thread on one of the help boards. If your questions are tagged onto and existing thread they don't always get answered thoroughly.
There is a script to calculate net carbs. Find it here: https://github.com/Surye/mfp-keto-userscript0 -
travelling_lots wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »travelling_lots wrote: »To say the only way keto works is calorie deficit is missing some major points. I am not saying you need to like it or try it but you may understand it you you do some research on it. For most keto people weight loss is a benefit but not the goal.
Yes, and thanks.
I know what you mean. I’m still researching it.
But I’m only doing it for two months as a jump start. My back would have recovered by then and be fully mobile too.
Not saying I’ll be back running 10-13 km daily 6 days a week either.
But will be more mindful on my calories then.
Since I’ll be at my correct weight. So I’ll be going back to my old paleo lifestyle.
You think you're going to lose 30lbs in 2 months on keto?
Oh no, I never said that.
I’m using it as a jump start Because I’m very sedentary til My back heals which is two months.
Then I can move around and start burning calories from exercise while back on the paleo lifestyle.
The Keto diet from my understanding I would lose 2 lbs a month with sedentary lifestyle nothing else.
So, It will help me maintain weight but not gain weight. If I drop a few pounds great.
It would be completely ignorant to think yes I’ll drop 30 lbs in 2 months. You made me laugh with the question.
Thank you for clarifying. It was just how I read it. I'm glad you have a more realistic sense. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who seem to think that keto is magical that way. If it's working for you, and you are happy, and it fits your life, then all the power to you. All the best in your healing.1 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »travelling_lots wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »travelling_lots wrote: »To say the only way keto works is calorie deficit is missing some major points. I am not saying you need to like it or try it but you may understand it you you do some research on it. For most keto people weight loss is a benefit but not the goal.
Yes, and thanks.
I know what you mean. I’m still researching it.
But I’m only doing it for two months as a jump start. My back would have recovered by then and be fully mobile too.
Not saying I’ll be back running 10-13 km daily 6 days a week either.
But will be more mindful on my calories then.
Since I’ll be at my correct weight. So I’ll be going back to my old paleo lifestyle.
You think you're going to lose 30lbs in 2 months on keto?
Oh no, I never said that.
I’m using it as a jump start Because I’m very sedentary til My back heals which is two months.
Then I can move around and start burning calories from exercise while back on the paleo lifestyle.
The Keto diet from my understanding I would lose 2 lbs a month with sedentary lifestyle nothing else.
So, It will help me maintain weight but not gain weight. If I drop a few pounds great.
It would be completely ignorant to think yes I’ll drop 30 lbs in 2 months. You made me laugh with the question.
Thank you for clarifying. It was just how I read it. I'm glad you have a more realistic sense. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who seem to think that keto is magical that way. If it's working for you, and you are happy, and it fits your life, then all the power to you. All the best in your healing.
Thanks, and good luck in your journey as well.0 -
What? Too confusing. I am new to all dieting. Lost 20 lbs in 2 months on adipex and just basically not eating.. can't figure this stuff out. I need food. Eating less than 1000 calories a day. I stay hungry. I need help.. please..0
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What? Too confusing. I am new to all dieting. Lost 20 lbs in 2 months on adipex and just basically not eating.. can't figure this stuff out. I need food. Eating less than 1000 calories a day. I stay hungry. I need help.. please..
I would suggest starting your own thread. It will get more attention. People will assume this is another response to this one and may not look. 20 lbs in 2 months is quite fast, depending on how much you have to lose. In your thread, add a bit more information, height, starting weight, goal weight will all be helpful. Eating less than 1000 cals/day isn't giving you enough nutrition and can cause some big issues with malnourishment.0 -
Yes it has caused quite a few issues. I have been dehydrated and been to emergency room a couple of times. This past weekend I was having 'tremors' syncope type episodes. I suspect it was from the prednisone i was put from the unknown allergic reaction from a week ago. I have been told im not eating enough. I dont know how else to do this other than not eating. I still have 40 lbs to go. I have goals of 63g protein minimum, 120 g max carbs. I usually make about 40 g protein with max of 50-70 carbs and 900+/- calories a day. I am hungry most of the time but only eat when absolutely hungry. I drink lots of water now..over 60+oz day.
I really don't know what I'm doing or where to go for solid info for newbie. I'm tired of passing out and being hungry.. but I don't want to gain any weight back while trying to figure it out. Also not been to gym in a few weeks because of the medical issues, passing out and allergic reaction. (Fyi, hypothyroid and SVT are contributing factors to original weight gain.) Going to start going back to gym on Monday. Then I will be able to get closer to my 1200+ calorie daily goal. Looking for advice.0 -
Yes it has caused quite a few issues. I have been dehydrated and been to emergency room a couple of times. This past weekend I was having 'tremors' syncope type episodes. I suspect it was from the prednisone i was put from the unknown allergic reaction from a week ago. I have been told im not eating enough. I dont know how else to do this other than not eating. I still have 40 lbs to go. I have goals of 63g protein minimum, 120 g max carbs. I usually make about 40 g protein with max of 50-70 carbs and 900+/- calories a day. I am hungry most of the time but only eat when absolutely hungry. I drink lots of water now..over 60+oz day.
I really don't know what I'm doing or where to go for solid info for newbie. I'm tired of passing out and being hungry.. but I don't want to gain any weight back while trying to figure it out. Also not been to gym in a few weeks because of the medical issues, passing out and allergic reaction. (Fyi, hypothyroid and SVT are contributing factors to original weight gain.) Going to start going back to gym on Monday. Then I will be able to get closer to my 1200+ calorie daily goal. Looking for advice.
Again. Start your own thread rather than hijacking this one. You'll get more information. And more support. Welcome to the forums. There are a lot of great people here who will be happy to help. It sounds like you're very overwhelmed. And honestly, I'm concerned with the symptoms you are describing.2 -
Sorry.. where do you recommend i go?0
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