(Calories in vs Calories out) vs dont eat crap ( aka semi low carb)

Energy balance controls weight, specific foods effect hunger, nutrition, sustainability, and body composition/metabolism (protein). If someone tells you CICO is wrong (cough Dr. Fung), it's because they don't understand it or use dumb examples like broccoli vs donuts.

If you didn't lose weight, you weren't in a calorie deficit. Something was off -- either with how you were estimating how much you were taking in or how much your body was using (or, possibly, a bit of both).

1. Over what period of time were these 2 things true (eating less and not losing vs eating more and losing)?
2. Were the methods of tracking intake the same for both scenarios?

Until those questions are answered, I can only guess... but it's probably safe to say that what you thought was happening wasn't what was actually happening.

Calorie counting (vs CICO) /= eating crap, as your thread title implies. This has been addressed many times here.

I would agree with the others that you probably had some logging errors previously and weren't in a deficit. That, and dropping carbs will result in a water weight whoosh that people often assume is fat loss.

Why are "CICO" and "Don't Eat Crap" mutually exclusive in your title and your example?

CICO is an energy balance equation. It has nothing to do with the type of foods you choose to eat. You can eat a nutrient dense, whole food "non-crap" diet and eat in a calorie surplus and gain weight.

You can eat primarily processed "junk" foods and eat in a calorie deficit and lose weight.

Most sensible and successful people I know strive to fit somewhere in the middle. They know nutrition is important. They want to eat foods that satiate them, but they also try not to demonize foods and still indulge in 'treats' in moderation.

To your belief that you weren't losing eating one way, and then started losing eating a different way - we would need a lot more information to be able to help explain this - likely it comes down to your logging or what you "thought" you were eating.

Also, when you trend to eat like crap, it's very easy to get more calories in than expect. It's also possible you weren't adequately fueling your body, so you could have moved less or burnt less calories through exercise.

WarningTheHermit wrote: »

So a common school of thought is, if you're eating at a calorie defecit you will lose weight. No matter the discussion im reading there is always someone commenting in with this same mantra and not a whole lot of anything else added to their argument.

But, using myself as an example, I ate like crap until recently, at a caloric defecit, and didnt lose weight whatsoever. But stayed at a constant weight. ( very overweight)

Where as when I eat a higher amount of calories, but I eat better food for me ( low carb in this case ), I actually lose weight.

Discuss

People usually suck at guessing the correct portions of "crap food" which is generally calorie-dense. People almost always over-serve & under-estimate things like cereal, bread, pasta, rice, peanut butter by a HUGE amount.

Uh-huh. I, for one, would require the documentation to support your assertion (all your stats, starting & end periods, access to your diary clearly indicating you were weighing your food during that time, etc and a breakdown of your daily activity & exercise). But that's actually not necessary, because you say your low-carb diet is a recent thing, and new low-carb diets produce a quick drop of water weight. And if your low-carb diet continues to result in weight loss, congratulations!... you are in a calorie deficit!

Edited to add: BTW, your low-carb diet is fine, if you enjoy eating that way. But be aware that the initial water weight you dropped will come back when you reintroduce/raise your carbs.

pinuplove wrote: »

Calorie counting (vs CICO) /= eating crap, as your thread title implies. This has been addressed many times here.

I would agree with the others that you probably had some logging errors previously and weren't in a deficit. That, and dropping carbs will result in a water weight whoosh that people often assume is fat loss.

And to add to the bolded, "don't eat crap" /= low carb necessarily. You can eat a healthy diet full of unprocessed nutritious food and eat relatively high carb (see the Blue Zones).

OP, I would agree with 2 points others have made:

If you were not carefully logging and weighing portions of your previous crap food, you could easily have been eating more than you thought. What the package says is a serving by volume compared to by weight can be way off, as can be the reported number of servings per package.

And, eating better can often make you more energetic and therefore more active throughout the day, and putting more effort into workouts, without your realizing it. So you eat the same amount of calories, but you are burning more without even trying.

People who are "just" counting calories aren't all eating nothing but crap. Most of us learned by logging that eating a decent amount of nutrient dense food made sticking to our goal easier. I eat nutritious food AND "crap", it's not an either/or proposition. I also eat @ 50% carb, and get a lot of those carbs from whole grains, beans, fruit, and dairy - not crap.

'CICO vs don't eat crap' ( regardless of definition of crap eating) doesn't make sense - they are not in opposition to each other.

Statement is a bit like 'Borrowing from the library vs reading science fiction.'

The 2 things are not mutually exclusive.

I love this discussion rounds. Obviously I wonder (and worry) constantly if I am losing any weight, when I am going to lose some weight, how I am going to lose weight. But then I know exactly, how I ended up on 170 kg (375 pounds). Was it the fairy godmother? Was it the nasty teacher in primary school? Was it that shouting neighbour? Or was it my one and only beloved mother - in - law who knows EVERYTHING better? (And also has a weight problem)? Me thinks not......Oh, hang on, could it have been my regular overeating? Could it have been that trigger food which ended up in a massive food binge? Let me think.... Just 100 calories more a day than my body needs adds about 5 kg a year. Over 10 years that's over 50 kg. And I have eaten plenty more than just an extra 100 calories! The trick is to stick to a healthier meal plan, be consistent, do a little bit of planning ahead and eventually the scales will show some weight change. Trying my best for nearly 5 months, lost so far about 20 kg (45 pounds).

WarningTheHermit wrote: »

yirara wrote: »

TO has not been back yet. I think I smell a troll.

nope just busy with life, and when I came back and saw the amount of posts that were ignorant like this one I decided it wasn't worth the effort replying to them. I've read the ones where people had actual thoughts and not just trying to be snarky.

So were you planning on responding and engaging with some of the people who asked clarifying questions?