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LOL OP listen to AnnPT77. Women gain muscle and lose fat much differently than men and there's the possibility that your arms will still be larger than you want after you lose the weight you want, that's assuming your goal is to lose weight. You can gain strength by working those arms but the definition will come when you lose the weight. Don't wait to lift until you've lost the weight though, start now. They won't magically become larger because you're lifting weights and working those muscles.2
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Yeh, science is the holy grail, right! Except "science" changes its mind every generation. And every generation seems to know less and less about training and rely more and more on diet "magic". Toning may be an old fashioned word but it just means lightly working the muscle to retain a little functional strength, and muscle firmness, with a minimum amount of muscle building. I know firming muscle means muscle gain but If her arms are big, she dosnt want them at all noticeably bigger. My advice, get your jogging shoes on, run/walk, work hard in the gym, on areas that will help balance out your arms in relation to the rest of the body and get advice from people who have walked the walk instead of just talking it.
So many people wooing over this.
But, consider the alternative. She loses weight through calorie counting only. Then what? Those big arms deflate, leaving her with bat wings.
If she worked the muscles while losing weight, she would have much tighter arms.
Call it Broscience if you want. I call it "what works."
If you think otherwise, see how many people in the success board say that they regret not starting weight training earlier during their weight loss journey.
Hate to say it, but the reason why people listen to "broscience" is because the bros have figured out what to do to get the look.
Very heavy leg days 3 days a week? NO WAY, you won't build any muscle that way, science says - one to two days max, science says. The brochick with "THE BOOTY" said, do it. I did. Booty appeared, just like the brogirl said it would, and the vast majority of this board still says was impossible. But I got one. Along with fat loss.
OP, ask yourself. What do you want? What look do you want to achieve? If you calorie restrict only, you will have the smaller version of your exact frame. If you lift, you change the shape of your body. The choice is yours to make, not strangers on the internet.
Why are so many people trashing a technique that has worked for so many people IRL?19 -
Gotta say it: It wouldn't be an MFP women's weight training thread without a group of guys getting in a dispute about what the women ought to do. (Expertise knows no genger, but neither does irony.)
OP, running a reasonable, well-designed weight training program while you lose weight is a good idea. You can pick one with a rep range that fits your goals best, for strength or endurance vs. gaining mass. Any good program will have you start at a weight that's achievable for you, and progress gradually as you're able. You'll for sure get stronger, if you stick with it. Learn about programs here:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you
As a woman you're unlikely to add bulk quickly under any circumstances, so you can always back off and maintain when you get strong enough (whatever that is to you) or if you feel like you're slowly starting to add more mass than you prefer.
However, for weight loss you'll be in a calorie deficit, and that will further limit any chances of gaining mass (intentionally or by accident
), so that really shouldn't be a big worry for quite some time. You might want to be aware that you can retain a little water weight in muscles you've worked hard (for muscle repair), so you could temporarily get a little bit of an extra fullness of appearance, but it's neither fat nor muscle, so not worth worrying about. As time passes and fat loss continues, it will reduce.
I predict that even if your arms are naturally a little meatier, genetically speaking, you'll find that they slim down as you lose overall body fat, though they may be among the last areas to lose much fat if that's how your personal genetic program works.
This will be a bit of a slow process on both strength and weight loss fronts, but I'll predict you can get gratifyingly stronger, and achieve an appearance you can be proud of.
All of this.
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Yeh, science is the holy grail, right! Except "science" changes its mind every generation. And every generation seems to know less and less about training and rely more and more on diet "magic". Toning may be an old fashioned word but it just means lightly working the muscle to retain a little functional strength, and muscle firmness, with a minimum amount of muscle building. I know firming muscle means muscle gain but If her arms are big, she dosnt want them at all noticeably bigger. My advice, get your jogging shoes on, run/walk, work hard in the gym, on areas that will help balance out your arms in relation to the rest of the body and get advice from people who have walked the walk instead of just talking it.
So many people wooing over this.
But, consider the alternative. She loses weight through calorie counting only. Then what? Those big arms deflate, leaving her with bat wings.
If she worked the muscles while losing weight, she would have much tighter arms.
Call it Broscience if you want. I call it "what works."
If you think otherwise, see how many people in the success board say that they regret not starting weight training earlier during their weight loss journey.
Hate to say it, but the reason why people listen to "broscience" is because the bros have figured out what to do to get the look.
Very heavy leg days 3 days a week? NO WAY, you won't build any muscle that way, science says - one to two days max, science says. The brochick with "THE BOOTY" said, do it. I did. Booty appeared, just like the brogirl said it would, and the vast majority of this board still says was impossible. But I got one. Along with fat loss.
OP, ask yourself. What do you want? What look do you want to achieve? If you calorie restrict only, you will have the smaller version of your exact frame. If you lift, you change the shape of your body. The choice is yours to make, not strangers on the internet.
Why are so many people trashing a technique that has worked for so many people IRL?
No one is telling her not to train. Almost everyone is telling her not to be afraid of lifting heavy because it isn't going to make her arms bigger. The poster you are defending and quoted told her not to lift heavy for her arms, rather to use lighter weights so her arms don't get bigger. That's what is being called broscience - that if you lift heavy weights while in a deficit you could get too bulky.8 -
IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Yeh, science is the holy grail, right! Except "science" changes its mind every generation. And every generation seems to know less and less about training and rely more and more on diet "magic". Toning may be an old fashioned word but it just means lightly working the muscle to retain a little functional strength, and muscle firmness, with a minimum amount of muscle building. I know firming muscle means muscle gain but If her arms are big, she dosnt want them at all noticeably bigger. My advice, get your jogging shoes on, run/walk, work hard in the gym, on areas that will help balance out your arms in relation to the rest of the body and get advice from people who have walked the walk instead of just talking it.
So many people wooing over this.
But, consider the alternative. She loses weight through calorie counting only. Then what? Those big arms deflate, leaving her with bat wings.
If she worked the muscles while losing weight, she would have much tighter arms.
Call it Broscience if you want. I call it "what works."
If you think otherwise, see how many people in the success board say that they regret not starting weight training earlier during their weight loss journey.
Hate to say it, but the reason why people listen to "broscience" is because the bros have figured out what to do to get the look.
Very heavy leg days 3 days a week? NO WAY, you won't build any muscle that way, science says - one to two days max, science says. The brochick with "THE BOOTY" said, do it. I did. Booty appeared, just like the brogirl said it would, and the vast majority of this board still says was impossible. But I got one. Along with fat loss.
OP, ask yourself. What do you want? What look do you want to achieve? If you calorie restrict only, you will have the smaller version of your exact frame. If you lift, you change the shape of your body. The choice is yours to make, not strangers on the internet.
Why are so many people trashing a technique that has worked for so many people IRL?
No one is telling her not to train. Almost everyone is telling her not to be afraid of lifting heavy because it isn't going to make her arms bigger. The poster you are defending and quoted told her not to lift heavy for her arms, rather to use lighter weights so her arms don't get bigger. That's what is being called broscience - that if you lift heavy weights while in a deficit you could get too bulky.
I respect your opinion and definitely get where you're coming from. Lifting 5lbs 20 times for a year isn't going to do much at all. Very heavy lifting will change your body shape. Otherwise, why would people work so hard to do it?
I lift light on my inner thighs 40-130lbs for lots of reps. My inner thighs keep moving up higher because of it - thinner inner thighs. Not gaining any mass there. But they aren't stagnant - they are doing what I want them to do - get smaller and firmer (what people call toning). But I lifted heavy on quads and calves and they are much larger than when I started. The quad sweep was an unexpected surprise, so that is what I think the Broscience guy was saying. A lot of women who decide to squat heavy to build a butt don't know that it can also come with bigger, more muscular thighs. I enjoy the look, because it balanced out my top heavy body.
But the important thing to note OP is what Ann said - you can back off at any time you've reached desired muscularity.
Thanks for your perspective. I think it does help the OP with clarity.7 -
I feel your pain. I have inherited bigger arms from my grandmother to the point where the right size blouse can be a problem in the arms being too tight. I think weight loss will help. I also use 5lb hand weights. I don't know if they will help, but they will help to protect my bones from osteoporosis. I have no science to offer you or even an expert opinion. It's just what I am doing.3
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I just read an interview with Eric Helms. His ideas are much the same as mine. And actually differ more with what is being said on this forum. I couldnt find his opinion on BMR and RMR and the amount of variation that occurs from person to person and the main factors for this. Anyone have a link or two? Cheers11
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I just read an interview with Eric Helms. His ideas are much the same as mine. And actually differ more with what is being said on this forum. I couldnt find his opinion on BMR and RMR and the amount of variation that occurs from person to person and the main factors for this. Anyone have a link or two? Cheers
Please show specific references that support where Helms echos your suggestions upthread regarding women's training.8 -
IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Yeh, science is the holy grail, right! Except "science" changes its mind every generation. And every generation seems to know less and less about training and rely more and more on diet "magic". Toning may be an old fashioned word but it just means lightly working the muscle to retain a little functional strength, and muscle firmness, with a minimum amount of muscle building. I know firming muscle means muscle gain but If her arms are big, she dosnt want them at all noticeably bigger. My advice, get your jogging shoes on, run/walk, work hard in the gym, on areas that will help balance out your arms in relation to the rest of the body and get advice from people who have walked the walk instead of just talking it.
So many people wooing over this.
But, consider the alternative. She loses weight through calorie counting only. Then what? Those big arms deflate, leaving her with bat wings.
If she worked the muscles while losing weight, she would have much tighter arms.
Call it Broscience if you want. I call it "what works."
If you think otherwise, see how many people in the success board say that they regret not starting weight training earlier during their weight loss journey.
Hate to say it, but the reason why people listen to "broscience" is because the bros have figured out what to do to get the look.
Very heavy leg days 3 days a week? NO WAY, you won't build any muscle that way, science says - one to two days max, science says. The brochick with "THE BOOTY" said, do it. I did. Booty appeared, just like the brogirl said it would, and the vast majority of this board still says was impossible. But I got one. Along with fat loss.
OP, ask yourself. What do you want? What look do you want to achieve? If you calorie restrict only, you will have the smaller version of your exact frame. If you lift, you change the shape of your body. The choice is yours to make, not strangers on the internet.
Why are so many people trashing a technique that has worked for so many people IRL?
No one is telling her not to train. Almost everyone is telling her not to be afraid of lifting heavy because it isn't going to make her arms bigger. The poster you are defending and quoted told her not to lift heavy for her arms, rather to use lighter weights so her arms don't get bigger. That's what is being called broscience - that if you lift heavy weights while in a deficit you could get too bulky.
This^. Can't be said any more plainly.6 -
I like arm day....just saying ;-)6
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883xlsportster wrote: »I like arm day....just saying ;-)
That's the spirit...some much needed positivity for this thread6 -
IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Gotta say it: It wouldn't be an MFP women's weight training thread without a group of guys getting in a dispute about what the women ought to do. (Expertise knows no genger, but neither does irony.)
OP, running a reasonable, well-designed weight training program while you lose weight is a good idea. You can pick one with a rep range that fits your goals best, for strength or endurance vs. gaining mass. Any good program will have you start at a weight that's achievable for you, and progress gradually as you're able. You'll for sure get stronger, if you stick with it. Learn about programs here:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you
As a woman you're unlikely to add bulk quickly under any circumstances, so you can always back off and maintain when you get strong enough (whatever that is to you) or if you feel like you're slowly starting to add more mass than you prefer.
However, for weight loss you'll be in a calorie deficit, and that will further limit any chances of gaining mass (intentionally or by accident ), so that really shouldn't be a big worry for quite some time. You might want to be aware that you can retain a little water weight in muscles you've worked hard (for muscle repair), so you could temporarily get a little bit of an extra fullness of appearance, but it's neither fat nor muscle, so not worth worrying about. As time passes and fat loss continues, it will reduce.
I predict that even if your arms are naturally a little meatier, genetically speaking, you'll find that they slim down as you lose overall body fat, though they may be among the last areas to lose much fat if that's how your personal genetic program works.
This will be a bit of a slow process on both strength and weight loss fronts, but I'll predict you can get gratifyingly stronger, and achieve an appearance you can be proud of.
All of this.
Ann, thus far: 1 insightful. 4 likes and a hug. I post, simply AGREEING with everything she said. 4 woos.
Proof it doesn't matter what you say on here.
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »Gotta say it: It wouldn't be an MFP women's weight training thread without a group of guys getting in a dispute about what the women ought to do. (Expertise knows no genger, but neither does irony.)
OP, running a reasonable, well-designed weight training program while you lose weight is a good idea. You can pick one with a rep range that fits your goals best, for strength or endurance vs. gaining mass. Any good program will have you start at a weight that's achievable for you, and progress gradually as you're able. You'll for sure get stronger, if you stick with it. Learn about programs here:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you
As a woman you're unlikely to add bulk quickly under any circumstances, so you can always back off and maintain when you get strong enough (whatever that is to you) or if you feel like you're slowly starting to add more mass than you prefer.
However, for weight loss you'll be in a calorie deficit, and that will further limit any chances of gaining mass (intentionally or by accident ), so that really shouldn't be a big worry for quite some time. You might want to be aware that you can retain a little water weight in muscles you've worked hard (for muscle repair), so you could temporarily get a little bit of an extra fullness of appearance, but it's neither fat nor muscle, so not worth worrying about. As time passes and fat loss continues, it will reduce.
I predict that even if your arms are naturally a little meatier, genetically speaking, you'll find that they slim down as you lose overall body fat, though they may be among the last areas to lose much fat if that's how your personal genetic program works.
This will be a bit of a slow process on both strength and weight loss fronts, but I'll predict you can get gratifyingly stronger, and achieve an appearance you can be proud of.
All of this.
Ann, thus far: 1 insightful. 4 likes and a hug. I post, simply AGREEING with everything she said. 4 woos.
Proof it doesn't matter what you say on here.
:flowerforyou:
Sometimes it just helps to be a cute (?) li'l ol' lady.
But, FWIW, people seem to woo my food posts a lot for some reason. <shrug>
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fitlulu4150 wrote: »LOL OP listen to AnnPT77.
I couldn't agree more. I find Ann's advice and counsel, spot on.
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"Please show specific references that support where Helms echos your suggestions upthread regarding women's training".
sheesh, really man! "upthread" wasting my time here. Most people on this forum just want to answer questions, no one wants to ask the right questions.11 -
"Please show specific references that support where Helms echos your suggestions upthread regarding women's training".
sheesh, really man! "upthread" wasting my time here. Most people on this forum just want to answer questions, no one wants to ask the right questions.
So, in other words, you got nothin'. So noted.5 -
Oh yeh, your'e so much better now than the dark ages, 70's or 80's crowd. You know it all (you think), and it shows by your use of demeaning language. Hows it working for y'all, knowing "how things work".
Ask much as I don't agree this the advice given by Grambo on this thread I think the fact that the above post has been flagged twice as "abuse" is a sad indictment of the forum.
Anyone care to share why you felt so offended by that post that you felt the need to report it?
Are we not grown up here?5 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Ditto.
Due to the things said in this thread, I feel the need to say that my profile pic is sarcastic. Lift all the heavy things.
OMG! How did you do that without getting suppa bulky???
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Stockholm_Andy wrote: »Oh yeh, your'e so much better now than the dark ages, 70's or 80's crowd. You know it all (you think), and it shows by your use of demeaning language. Hows it working for y'all, knowing "how things work".
Ask much as I don't agree this the advice given by Grambo on this thread I think the fact that the above post has been flagged twice as "abuse" is a sad indictment of the forum.
Anyone care to share why you felt so offended by that post that you felt the need to report it?
Are we not grown up here?
I agree. To flag that post as abuse is ridiculous. I don't see it as an indictment of the forum though. There are lots of people here and some come with their own sets of issues. FTR, I was also not 9ne who flagged it.0 -
I do high rep, light weight all the time. Old crappy shoulders. How else am I going to tone up?
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