The first guy who discovered humans could drink animal milk...
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What in the F@%# was he doing, and why?
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I shudder to think how thirsty this gentleman must've been!
(Ugh. I'll see myself out.)15 -
He was probably thinking I can *kitten* drink this *kitten* and survive the winter.2
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youcantflexcardio wrote: »What in the F@%# was he doing, and why?
He was probably starving and took a chance on eating the same thing his calves were eating as he saw them thriving on the milk of his domesticated cows. From what i read the first drinkers of milk were probably lactose intolerant but it was better than starving. Its been an evolution that has also brought us butter and cheese due to milk consumption. Hey if Lions were smart enough to domesticate their prey i bet they would be doing the exact same thing as us
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youcantflexcardio wrote: »The first guy who discovered humans could drink animal milk...
Right!!youcantflexcardio wrote: »What in the F@%# was he doing, and why?
And why are cows the preferred animal?
Who the *kitten* came up with that idea?
Whole idea grosses me out, and you ask a question that I think everyone should seriously consider (I do eat products with cow milk, but it grosses me out every time I think of it....I have Vegan periods of time)
...Why cow, or goat milk?
Why don't people drink human milk? Or dog milk? Or cat milk? Or horse milk? or pig milk?
Why cow predominantly?
Reminds me, there was an exhibit at the OAG (Ontario Art Gallery) a while ago where there was a human "milk bar"...people could taste human milk...gag :sick:
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He was awesome. I love milk.3
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youcantflexcardio wrote: »The first guy who discovered humans could drink animal milk...
Right!!youcantflexcardio wrote: »What in the F@%# was he doing, and why?
And why are cows the preferred animal?
Who the *kitten* came up with that idea?
Whole idea grosses me out, and you ask a question that I think everyone should seriously consider (I do eat products with cow milk, but it grosses me out every time I think of it....I have Vegan periods of time)
...Why cow, or goat milk?
Why don't people drink human milk? Or dog milk? Or cat milk? Or horse milk? or pig milk?
Why cow predominantly?
Reminds me, there was an exhibit at the OAG (Ontario Art Gallery) a while ago where there was a human "milk bar"...people could taste human milk...gag :sick:
Ewww🤮1 -
I would think that milk would be a more obvious choice than the meat and eggs. Young of various species will feed off of the milk of other animals.
Seems pretty natural to me. A lot more natural than, say, sausage or leather.3 -
I like to think that there was an older brother and some form of bribery or blackmail involved.2
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youcantflexcardio wrote: »The first guy who discovered humans could drink animal milk...
Right!!youcantflexcardio wrote: »What in the F@%# was he doing, and why?
And why are cows the preferred animal?
Who the *kitten* came up with that idea?
Whole idea grosses me out, and you ask a question that I think everyone should seriously consider (I do eat products with cow milk, but it grosses me out every time I think of it....I have Vegan periods of time)
...Why cow, or goat milk?
Why don't people drink human milk? Or dog milk? Or cat milk? Or horse milk? or pig milk?
Why cow predominantly?
Reminds me, there was an exhibit at the OAG (Ontario Art Gallery) a while ago where there was a human "milk bar"...people could taste human milk...gag :sick:
People do drink human milk. Babies are humans.
As for cows, they were created for this. Cows produce many gallons of milk every day - about 70lbs of milk per day - which is way more than is required for her calf. She is in pain if not milked, and will continue producing milk if regularly milked, even if she stops having calves. Even cats and birds drink milk off cows.
So milking cows is a mutually beneficial situation for both the cow and the consumer of her milk. Now they have machines that milk cows on the cows own schedule. So the cow will be out being a cow, and decide they want to get milked. They will walk to the barn and place themselves in the machine and be milked on demand.
So drink up.
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Squirrels are rats with fluffy tails. All rodents are disease carrying pests in relation to humans (they are food in relation to large birds, and other predators). So why would you drink milk from that?
In addition, cows are known for their docile nature. Remember, they are happy to be milked, because it is a relief for the cow. They will stand still for you while you milk her. And bat her pretty eyelashes at you while you do it. Have you seen a cows eyelashes? Sweet animals, dairy cows are.
Squirrels are more known for stealing your tulip bulbs, pissing off birds, and scratching the crap out of your cat. They are highly entertaining, but only from afar. Up close, they are a tiny menace.
Did you want to try milking a squirrel that, besides being possibly disease ridden, would fight you tooth and claw to do it, and for the volume of milk of what? A sip?
That's where you draw the line - at common sense. You draw the line at not being grossed out with basic human processes like eating and drinking animal products.
Wait until you hear about your gut microbiome, vaginal yeast, and the 10,000 or so species of bacteria you are hosting on and in your body. Some like the environment in your ear, and some prefer the inside of your elbow.
You are some bacteria's version of a milking cow.
So drink up.
Not actively trying to be a human penis. You know I like you.
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »youcantflexcardio wrote: »The first guy who discovered humans could drink animal milk...
Right!!youcantflexcardio wrote: »What in the F@%# was he doing, and why?
And why are cows the preferred animal?
Who the *kitten* came up with that idea?
Whole idea grosses me out, and you ask a question that I think everyone should seriously consider (I do eat products with cow milk, but it grosses me out every time I think of it....I have Vegan periods of time)
...Why cow, or goat milk?
Why don't people drink human milk? Or dog milk? Or cat milk? Or horse milk? or pig milk?
Why cow predominantly?
Reminds me, there was an exhibit at the OAG (Ontario Art Gallery) a while ago where there was a human "milk bar"...people could taste human milk...gag :sick:
People do drink human milk. Babies are humans.
As for cows, they were created for this. Cows produce many gallons of milk every day - about 70lbs of milk per day - which is way more than is required for her calf. She is in pain if not milked, and will continue producing milk if regularly milked, even if she stops having calves. Even cats and birds drink milk off cows.
So milking cows is a mutually beneficial situation for both the cow and the consumer of her milk. Now they have machines that milk cows on the cows own schedule. So the cow will be out being a cow, and decide they want to get milked. They will walk to the barn and place themselves in the machine and be milked on demand.
So drink up.
For real?
Do you really think that "cows were 'created' for this" (milking)...No they were (are) farmed for milking, and cultivated for human consumption.
I don't have a problem with human consumption of animal products, but really, lets not pretend that it's in the animals best interest to be farmed, often they are well kept...and that is beneficial to the human, better output (meat, milk, eggs etc)
They were not "created" to constantly produce milk throughout their entire life and to be milked for other species benefit. Or their baby boys to be slaughtered for meat. That is not what an animal is "created" for...its what we (humans) do
Any lactating mammal can be continuously be "milked" ...do you think that is healthful, practical or beneficial?
If so explain.
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I always wondered if there were experiments that went bad before people settled on cows, goats, water buffalo, yaks, donkeys, horses, whatever depending on where they originated.
Did people just go around latching onto nip nips before settling on a favorite?
I'm glad I'm not the only person to think about this.
I'm no vegan, I just seriously think about this kind of stuff 😅1 -
I wouldn't drink milk from an animal I wouldnt eat. I drink cow, goat, or sheep milk. Anything kosher/halal and I am good. We are also the only species to farm and cook our food, so drinking milk isnt weird to me. I am half Swedish. We eat a ton of dairy.
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But...but...CHEESE.2
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I think cows are easier to restrain and you get bigger volumes from them. I would not volunteer to milk a cat!!! 🙀 And those squirrels are squirrelly little lightning bolts2 -
Cattle was the easiest to milk, that's why cows (and goats and sheep). I'm not going to defend my milk consumption to you since no matter what I say, you will pick it apart. Unless you can speak to animals, you don't know if it's in their best interest or not. Just remember cows like to lay in their own poop because it's warm and can give a better sight line.IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »youcantflexcardio wrote: »The first guy who discovered humans could drink animal milk...
Right!!youcantflexcardio wrote: »What in the F@%# was he doing, and why?
And why are cows the preferred animal?
Who the *kitten* came up with that idea?
Whole idea grosses me out, and you ask a question that I think everyone should seriously consider (I do eat products with cow milk, but it grosses me out every time I think of it....I have Vegan periods of time)
...Why cow, or goat milk?
Why don't people drink human milk? Or dog milk? Or cat milk? Or horse milk? or pig milk?
Why cow predominantly?
Reminds me, there was an exhibit at the OAG (Ontario Art Gallery) a while ago where there was a human "milk bar"...people could taste human milk...gag :sick:
People do drink human milk. Babies are humans.
As for cows, they were created for this. Cows produce many gallons of milk every day - about 70lbs of milk per day - which is way more than is required for her calf. She is in pain if not milked, and will continue producing milk if regularly milked, even if she stops having calves. Even cats and birds drink milk off cows.
So milking cows is a mutually beneficial situation for both the cow and the consumer of her milk. Now they have machines that milk cows on the cows own schedule. So the cow will be out being a cow, and decide they want to get milked. They will walk to the barn and place themselves in the machine and be milked on demand.
So drink up.
For real?
Do you really think that "cows were 'created' for this" (milking)...No they were (are) farmed for milking, and cultivated for human consumption.
I don't have a problem with human consumption of animal products, but really, lets not pretend that it's in the animals best interest to be farmed, often they are well kept...and that is beneficial to the human, better output (meat, milk, eggs etc)
They were not "created" to constantly produce milk throughout their entire life and to be milked for other species benefit. Or their baby boys to be slaughtered for meat. That is not what an animal is "created" for...its what we (humans) do
Any lactating mammal can be continuously be "milked" ...do you think that is healthful, practical or beneficial?
If so explain.
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... was most likely a hunter-gatherer who killed a lactating female of a prehistoric cattle-like species. The WHOLE animal was used back then because calories were difficult and dangerous to procure. I imagine this would have taken place way before any domestication or farming practices developed.1
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I'm only commenting cause I saw people saying "ewww" about human breast milk. Ummm, mine tasted like the milk left over from Lucky Charms, it was delicious! (ok, ok, I only tasted it, not actually drank it, but it wasn't eww either way!)6
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IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »youcantflexcardio wrote: »The first guy who discovered humans could drink animal milk...
Right!!youcantflexcardio wrote: »What in the F@%# was he doing, and why?
And why are cows the preferred animal?
Who the *kitten* came up with that idea?
Whole idea grosses me out, and you ask a question that I think everyone should seriously consider (I do eat products with cow milk, but it grosses me out every time I think of it....I have Vegan periods of time)
...Why cow, or goat milk?
Why don't people drink human milk? Or dog milk? Or cat milk? Or horse milk? or pig milk?
Why cow predominantly?
Reminds me, there was an exhibit at the OAG (Ontario Art Gallery) a while ago where there was a human "milk bar"...people could taste human milk...gag :sick:
People do drink human milk. Babies are humans.
As for cows, they were created for this. Cows produce many gallons of milk every day - about 70lbs of milk per day - which is way more than is required for her calf. She is in pain if not milked, and will continue producing milk if regularly milked, even if she stops having calves. Even cats and birds drink milk off cows.
So milking cows is a mutually beneficial situation for both the cow and the consumer of her milk. Now they have machines that milk cows on the cows own schedule. So the cow will be out being a cow, and decide they want to get milked. They will walk to the barn and place themselves in the machine and be milked on demand.
So drink up.
For real?
Do you really think that "cows were 'created' for this" (milking)...No they were (are) farmed for milking, and cultivated for human consumption.
I don't have a problem with human consumption of animal products, but really, lets not pretend that it's in the animals best interest to be farmed, often they are well kept...and that is beneficial to the human, better output (meat, milk, eggs etc)
They were not "created" to constantly produce milk throughout their entire life and to be milked for other species benefit. Or their baby boys to be slaughtered for meat. That is not what an animal is "created" for...its what we (humans) do
Any lactating mammal can be continuously be "milked" ...do you think that is healthful, practical or beneficial?
If so explain.
There is a woman named Temple Grandin, who is known as the "cow whisperer." She is autistic and speaks cow. She worked on a farm in her teens, and later became an engineer. She merged these talents at a ranch, and was appalled by the distress the cows were in while being slaughtered. She could "hear" the cows talking, and understand when they were experiencing fear during their herding - a shadow was cast there, or chains rattled someplace else, or the decline was too steep for them to walk comfortably. They'd be subjected to cattle prods and being manhandled by cow handlers to move them along.
Quite a few cows would perish prior to slaughter because of the ordeal. So she created a new design for the cows to walk comfortably to the slaughter. She revolutionized the cow industry by introducing a much more humane way of treating them.
This is what she said about it, considering her deep, deep love for and connection to cows. If there weren't meat consumption, there would be far fewer cows. Cows, as a species, thrive because of meat consumption. In addition, they live full lives because it is in the farmers best interest to have the healthiest cows for slaughter.
Chickens are another story, the cruelty is too much, but we aren't talking about chickens.
But to put it in perspective: cats live an average of 2.5 years out and about by themselves. They live about 15 years when cared for by a human. They are living SIX times longer just from being cared for by humans. Now imagine if they actually did something beneficial for us besides be cute and produce videos - we would allow them to breed (which we don't in America right now).
If you have ever seen a sad wild dog, overrun by fleas and hungry, you would understand why a cow giving her milk is a great exchange for being 1) alive and 2) kept fed and healthy.
At any rate, that's what the "cow whisperer" thinks and she has done more for the betterment of cows in this country than any animal rights groups ever has, in my opinion.
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Now I have cows and cats on my mind. Cuteness overload!
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Look at these eyelashes! Who's a pretty little cow? Who's a pretty little cow? Here's a daisy just for being such a cute little cow:
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I can imagine the conversation, "OMG DAVE, what are you doing to that cow?!" Dave, sweating, about to invent drinking milk, "O, haven't you heard?"
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tinkerhellraiser wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »youcantflexcardio wrote: »The first guy who discovered humans could drink animal milk...
Right!!youcantflexcardio wrote: »What in the F@%# was he doing, and why?
And why are cows the preferred animal?
Who the *kitten* came up with that idea?
Whole idea grosses me out, and you ask a question that I think everyone should seriously consider (I do eat products with cow milk, but it grosses me out every time I think of it....I have Vegan periods of time)
...Why cow, or goat milk?
Why don't people drink human milk? Or dog milk? Or cat milk? Or horse milk? or pig milk?
Why cow predominantly?
Reminds me, there was an exhibit at the OAG (Ontario Art Gallery) a while ago where there was a human "milk bar"...people could taste human milk...gag :sick:
People do drink human milk. Babies are humans.
As for cows, they were created for this. Cows produce many gallons of milk every day - about 70lbs of milk per day - which is way more than is required for her calf. She is in pain if not milked, and will continue producing milk if regularly milked, even if she stops having calves. Even cats and birds drink milk off cows.
So milking cows is a mutually beneficial situation for both the cow and the consumer of her milk. Now they have machines that milk cows on the cows own schedule. So the cow will be out being a cow, and decide they want to get milked. They will walk to the barn and place themselves in the machine and be milked on demand.
So drink up.
maybe farm life has changed since i was a kid but back then cows had to keep having calfs on the regular to produce milk
Cows start producing milk once the calf is born (or a few days before) and will dry off once her calf is weaned, or the farmer stops milking her. If the farmer keeps milking, she will keep producing.0 -
MonkeyMel21 wrote: »I'm only commenting cause I saw people saying "ewww" about human breast milk. Ummm, mine tasted like the milk left over from Lucky Charms, it was delicious! (ok, ok, I only tasted it, not actually drank it, but it wasn't eww either way!)
I'm so glad you said that. I wanted to say the same thing but didn't have the guts. And my kids lived on the stuff for a while without complaints 3 -
tinkerhellraiser wrote: »jogetsgains wrote: »I always wondered if there were experiments that went bad before people settled on cows, goats, water buffalo, yaks, donkeys, horses, whatever depending on where they originated.
Did people just go around latching onto nip nips before settling on a favorite?
I'm glad I'm not the only person to think about this.
I'm no vegan, I just seriously think about this kind of stuff 😅
i think about *kitten* like this too, not bc there’s any judgement but it’s weird, like people are weird about food
other animals go out, kill something, eat it
maybe forage a bit
but humans they have made eating so complicated and food is so fetishized and how did we even come up with the stuff i eat every day, you know??
like: grow wheat, cut stalks, collect wheat berries, dry them out, grind them up, bleach them out, *then* it gets super crazy bc you add a little microbial fungus and let it ferment and then you cook it up and you got bread. it trips me out! but toast is so good
Cause humans are gonna human. We do this with everything. No horse came up with the iPhone. River to cross -build a bridge, plains to traverse - domesticate a wild horse all the way to building cars and supersonic jets. It's what we do.
We can do all that, why can't we come up with a squirrel proof bird feeder? Cause squirrels gonna squirrel. It's what they do.
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Eve, to Adam: “What! You didn’t complain when i tried yours!”5
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I was just having a similar conversation the other day. How many people had to die or get seriously ill discovering what is and what is not safe for human consumption? Imagine when and how languages were created... etc. Interesting stuff3
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tinkerhellraiser wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »tinkerhellraiser wrote: »IHaveMyActTogether wrote: »youcantflexcardio wrote: »The first guy who discovered humans could drink animal milk...
Right!!youcantflexcardio wrote: »What in the F@%# was he doing, and why?
And why are cows the preferred animal?
Who the *kitten* came up with that idea?
Whole idea grosses me out, and you ask a question that I think everyone should seriously consider (I do eat products with cow milk, but it grosses me out every time I think of it....I have Vegan periods of time)
...Why cow, or goat milk?
Why don't people drink human milk? Or dog milk? Or cat milk? Or horse milk? or pig milk?
Why cow predominantly?
Reminds me, there was an exhibit at the OAG (Ontario Art Gallery) a while ago where there was a human "milk bar"...people could taste human milk...gag :sick:
People do drink human milk. Babies are humans.
As for cows, they were created for this. Cows produce many gallons of milk every day - about 70lbs of milk per day - which is way more than is required for her calf. She is in pain if not milked, and will continue producing milk if regularly milked, even if she stops having calves. Even cats and birds drink milk off cows.
So milking cows is a mutually beneficial situation for both the cow and the consumer of her milk. Now they have machines that milk cows on the cows own schedule. So the cow will be out being a cow, and decide they want to get milked. They will walk to the barn and place themselves in the machine and be milked on demand.
So drink up.
maybe farm life has changed since i was a kid but back then cows had to keep having calfs on the regular to produce milk
Cows start producing milk once the calf is born (or a few days before) and will dry off once her calf is weaned, or the farmer stops milking her. If the farmer keeps milking, she will keep producing.
that’s different from what i remember on my dad’s cattle ranch, but i guess stuff can change over time. do you live on a farm?
No, I'm just fascinated by Temple Grandin's story. She was born in 1947. She was diagnosed with brain damage by age 2.
Somehow, she managed to graduate with her doctorate. Then she busted two male dominated fields - cattle farming and engineering. While having what would later be considered severe autism. At a time when women were doing great to be a secretary.
Not to mention she claimed to talk to cows. So lots of challenges against her, as you might imagine.
Truly a modern day genius and feminist extraordinaire. And to think she changed an entire industry and bettered the lives of so many animals. Now she is busy advocating to better the lives of autisic people.
My fascination with her story led me to learn more about cows and visit those pretty dairy cows getting milked daily at my local zoo and science exhibits about dairy technology.
Perhaps your dad wasn't into dairy and purchased cows for sale of meat. They are different breeds of cows that are used. I'm not sure how milking a cow for meat affects the meat, but I do know that certain breeds fetch higher prices on the meat market, and all kinds of methods are used to make better tasting meat. The most expensive meat cows drink beer and get regular massages.
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