127 lbs lost, yet still a failure
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You don't really talk about friends or having hobbies or interests.
I think becomming friends or meeting through our interests can be a good way to develop a lasting connection with others. Maybe take a class or join a club to meet some people who share your interests. Go to a convention. Join a church or volunteer somewhere. Having a relationship is not like other goals where you can do all the right things and get a positive result. You may connect with someone or you may not.
I have a family member who married a woman from the Phillipines. She wanted to come to the US. They have been married about 19 years and have a couple of kids. They seem happy. I believe they exchanged letters and e-mails and he went to meet her first. That kind of thing is an option. There are women who are very motivated to marry that you would be very appealing to.
Are you being open to anyone or have you set limits on who you will meet? Something to think about.1 -
@MsBaz2018
Just to be clear, my reference to a world that doesn’t exist refers to the past. Wanting a different past is fruitless. It’s over and can’t be changed. Spending a lot of time today, wishing things had been different then, is longing for a world that doesn’t exist. A waste today. And that’s all we’ve got.
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I think I am being misunderstood a bit. I am not saying everything has to be the first time with someone. I am not naive. All I am saying is I want to get married to someone who has not been married before and has no kids. That's it. I have been on many first dates. The longest I was able to date someone was 3 months. This girl constantly told about this guy I once dated used to do this or say this. Then this other guy I dated. I felt like I was dating her plus all the guys she previously was in relationships with. I spoke up and told her to please stop doing that. I wanted to focus on us. She got upset about that. It just went downhill from there. She wasn't the one for me and that is fine. But it is an example of what I am not looking for. I am NOT saying I have to only be with someone who never had relationships before. I am just saying was never married before. I want that level commitment to be our shared first time. I don't see what is so wrong with that. But then everyone tells me I am too traditional and I will never find that and I am being closed minded. I don't get that. All of my friends found it. Every single one of them married someone who was never married and didn't have kids. It happens all the time. But why is it an issue when I say that is what I want? That's what I don't get. At this stage I am fine if I never have kids. I still want to be with someone though. I want the relationship that I am grateful for. You hear it all the time how people are so lucky to be with the person they are with. I see posts on facebook constantly by friends and coworkers announcing anniversaries or the special thing their spouse did for them and how lucky and blessed they feel. I express wanting that too and I am told I am priveleged, that I am expecting a reward. How is wanting love a bad thing? I have never experienced it and am feeling down about that. Yet I am kind of lectured that I am not doing things right.
None of it makes sense to me. It's just so many conflicting statements...
Just be yourself and you will be loved for who you are.
You need to change yourself and lose weight first.
You have to stop looking for it and it will find you when you least expect it.
You have to put yourself out there or you will never find it.
It just seems like a bunch of conflicting advice and it is hard to know what the hell to do anymore. I used to play an online game, an MMO. I did this for a couple years. I got my coworker into it and even played with a friend I met on here. People started telling me that I needed to stop doing that because I will never meet anyone. I needed to get out in the real world and socialize or I will always be alone. So I stopped. But then I hear stories of people meeting their spouse in those games!!! There is someone in this thread who mentioned they met their husband on World of Warcraft. I feel like I just keep doing the wrong thing. What if I didn't stop playing the MMO and I met someone great through there? I'll never know because I stopped and started doing other "real world" things.
I do get out there and have for a long time. It's just always by myself. I go to concerts all the time. Metal is a huge passion for me. I plan travel around festivals. I have been to Heavy Montreal 3 times. I have gone to Psycho Las Vegas twice. I have been to fests in Arizona, Sacramento, North Carolina, and of course Chicago where I live. I even once spent two weeks travelling Europe and did a 4 day fest in Belgium called Graspop. I slept in a wooden hut in the woods for 4 nights. 130+ bands and over 100,000 people. It was amazing. But again bitter sweet as everything I do is because it was solo. I have no one to share those experiences and memories with. I would love to find someone to share in these adventures. I love music, especially metal. I obviously love to travel and go to fests and concerts. I am big into sports. My teams are the White Sox, Bears, and Blackhawks. I love to fish and hike and I have a big life long goal of building a cabin on lake and getting a boat so I can go fishing any time. I ave all these plans and dreams. I just wanted it to be with someone special. Of course I have a type and preferences, but I have been open and willing too. I have gone out with so many different girls. I just have the two things of no kids and never been married. That is it.
Circling back to the original point of this thread is frustration. I have experienced rejection my whole life and I attributed it to my weight. I understand I was never physically attractive because of my weight. My frustration is in after all the hard work to lose so much that I experience the same rejection, only now it is much worse because I am closing in on 40 and will most likely not find what I am looking for. This stemmed from me being stood up last week. I went out with this girl who seemed so sweet and nice. We went out for a sushi dinner and spent 3 hours talking that night. It's all light conversation. I am not the creepy guy talking marriage on date 1 that some people seem to think. It was a fun time. We texted back and forth for a couple weeks. She had a trip to Boston and I had a trip to Colorado after that so our 2nd date was a bit delayed, but we kept in contact every other day or so and would have decent conversations. It seemed good. That is why I am so frustrated and confused after getting stood up for the 2nd date. Why? Why was I all of a sudden not good enough anymore? That is what kicked off my ultimate frustration and feeling like just giving up on all this. I have been trying for so long. I just don't get why nothing has worked out.
The frustration is that nothing has changed in terms of getting rejected even after losing 127 lbs. I feel defeated because for years I thought my lack of success in dating or finding a girlfriend was my weight. I had it set in my mind, mostly from hearing it from friends and family, that if I just lost weight it would happen. I was even told stories of oh this coworker lost all kinds of weight and all of a sudden she has a boyfriend and they are getting engaged. So when I finally put in the work and found out it isn't true for me it just so crushing. And yeah I know I have more weight to lose. But I reached a point where I started to feel and look more normal. I completely expected to find at least more success than in my 20s. It's just not the case.
I am never flirted with. I never have ever felt wanted. Try imagining what that is like, to never have been wanted. I mean women even avoid eye contact with me and it feels like I am such an outsider or I am disgusting to them. I take care of myself and love who I am. I just don't get why I am so unworthy of anyone. And then the advice, which I really do appreciate when the intention behind it is to truly help me, sometimes just makes me feel worse. I am never told i can find what i am looking for. Instead I am told that I need to change this or that or I need to settle for something else. Everyone I know found it. They aren't perfect. Why do I need to be perfect to be worthy of it? it just feels bad.
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@BV1980 I can tell this is an emotionally raw subject for you. I think it's great that you're returning to read and respond in more depth (not sure it will solve anything for you, necessarily, but sometimes 'talking it out' on a relatively anonymous site with a wide range of opinions can be helpful).
Our comments regarding unmarried/no children are just an observation that statistically finding someone considered socially age-appropriate who fits that criteria is less likely at your age than when your friends were getting married (assuming in their 20s). It's not a dig on you in any way. It's not saying that person doesn't exist. Just that they will be a lot harder to find.
Your last paragraph is achingly sad. As far as the avoidance of eye contact, I don't know how tall you are, but from looking at your pictures I can see how you could be physically imposing to women. At 5'2 and 140, I'm less than half your mass and likely much shorter. Beards also tend to obscure the facial features and make a man appear more 'gruff' even if he's not. (Please don't take this as a suggestion to shave your beard!! ) Just food for thought. I don't have any advice to offer beyond what has already been said. It might be time to take a break from the online dating thing for a while, simply for your own mental health.3 -
We are all works in progress. Gotta keep trying, or we have no chance. I met my husband on eharmony when I was 34 and had pretty much given up on love after a bad relationship. He’s 6’7” and around 300 lbs, but is the kindest human being I’ve met. He doesn’t appear threatening to me, just the opposite! He makes me feel safe and loved. It’s not about your shape, it’s how you make people feel. Sometimes it’s as simple as body language, or as complicated as self-esteem. Keep getting out there. Keep making progress. Good luck!0
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You have a great love for music and like to travel to events and concerts.
Start looking for groups who also travel to concerts, or make concert hopping their vacation.
Become a volunteer at festivals.
Look into single cruises, and concert cruises.
If music is your love, start widening your circle of friends, as most of your old friends are now settled, advertise for people going to local concerts or wanting a travel companion for one further afield.
Don't think you are going to find a girlfriend, think you are widening your friend base so you have people that share your interest and may be able to introduce you to someone.
Also, though weight is not the be all and end all, and you have done an excellent job so far, you are still morbidly obese. People, whether this is good or bad, tend judge people on first sight, it is much easier to get a date, or a 2nd date, if you are closer to a normal weight, even overweight or obese. Keep dropping the pounds.
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I'm not being narrow minded. I just wanted something special. Some girls dream about their wedding day all their life. Well, some guys daydream about that too. I am one of them. I wanted to experience it all together with someone for the first time, not be their second or third choice. It's like when you have a new coworker who is hired. All they talk about is well at my last job this or at my last job that. I don't want to be with someone who just compares me to their last husband. Or while planning the wedding it's like they have been there and done that. It would be all new and exciting to me but not so much for them. I think it loses that something special if it isn't the first time. I want to experience those firsts together. Instead I am the inexperienced one who missed out on it all and now have to settle for someone who has seen and done it all already so it isn't as special anymore.And it is not just the wedding, but married life too. I would feel like I am being compared to previous husbands. It's not what I want. And since it isn't what is available to me I guess, then I have a long road of loneliness and disappointment ahead. I have no idea what I will do with my life. Everything I have done was with the goal of being married someday in mind. I don't know. It's all very depressing these days. I missed out because I was so overweight back in my 20s when everyone was meeting someone and experiencing those firsts. I tried. I asked out girls in college. I was just always rejected. It's not like I have myself to blame for not trying or putting myself out there. I have myself to blame for being fat. Guys aren't wanted when they are fat like I was. My underlying issues of depressing and loneliness led me to that. It's still my fault. I wish I would've not been so afraid and found an outlet in the college gym or joined the weightlifting club or something like that, but I didn't do that. I was on my own and very intimidated. I am different now, but it seems I am too late. I either have to settle and not really get what I was looking for, or I have to be alone. I hate it. I hate that that outlook so much.
I am in my second marriage, and I can promise you that I do not spend any time comparing my husband to my ex. I actually think it may be time to seek therapy. I think it could help4 -
I do really sympathise with your frustration at what seems like mixed messages/conflicting advice. But the sad truth is there is not one easy fix for something like this. No magic bullet. Perhaps the problem is that you thought losing weight would be that magic bullet and, as many of us learn, it often just means we are the same person with the same problems, just thinner!
Two things stand out for me from your responses. Firstly, if you truly insist that you will not consider anyone previously married or with kids, then you are going to have to push extra hard on the dating front/ see a matchmaker and really go for it. I know you feel like you’ve been trying for a long time but if you don’t want to compromise you need to keep on trying. Like a different date every night or something, because within your age bracket I’m sorry but I don’t think that will just fall into your lap. See the dating like a job, even when it’s a rainy Tuesday and you don’t feel like going out, do it anyway.
Secondly, please try and stop beating yourself up. Both for what has been in the past and for what you are experiencing now. So the “nice” girl stood you up - why is that your failure?! That just means she wasn’t a nice girl (if she was she would have at least been honest). See it as one more unsuitable person eliminated from the mix! How you frame all of this in your own mind may well affect the vibe you’re giving off. I believe you when you say you are not intense on dates and don’t mention the marriage/family bit. But perhaps you are giving off an air of the “depression and loneliness” and lack of self-belief, even subliminally.
And I really hope you see all the advice for what it is - not criticism - but really well-meaning. No doubt you’ve really worked hard on yourself and your health. Keep that up, find the determination you had before. Not so you can find love with someone else, but maybe so you can find a bit of love for yourself (forgive the cheesiness, but hopefully you know what I mean).
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Have you worked with a therapist at all?
I ask because the degree of your distress and despondency will likely require more than you will able to get out of putting it all out here on a message board.
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So let's say you meet the perfect woman and fall madly in love with each other but the problem is she has a child. Are you honestly going to tell me you will dump her because of your silly no kid rule? If so, that is truly laughable. I assume you are looking for love...or do you want some type of domestic partner? You don't get to make the rules in matters of love. You don't have a choice. I think you have a warped view of marriage in general and little experience in relationships. My advice is to socialize more and develop friendships with both men and women. I don't think you have the wisdom or emotional maturity to consider marriage at this point. The beating yourself up routine won't do anything to help your self esteem. Don't be so serious or uptight and keep working on yourself until such time as you have something to bring to the table...and I'm not talking about money/house/rings.3
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middlehaitch wrote: »Also, though weight is not the be all and end all, and you have done an excellent job so far, you are still morbidly obese. People, whether this is good or bad, tend judge people on first sight, it is much easier to get a date, or a 2nd date, if you are closer to a normal weight, even overweight or obese. Keep dropping the pounds.
This translates to me as... despite all your hard work and effort, you are still not good enough for women to want to be with.You don't get to make the rules in matters of love. You don't have a choice.
I most certainly have a choice in who I am or am not willing to be with. I don't want to raise some other guy's kids. I don't want to deal with another guy being involved in my relationship with someone. That is my choice. I DO make the rules for what I want in my life.I think you have a warped view of marriage in general and little experience in relationships. I don't think you have the wisdom or emotional maturity to consider marriage at this point.
I have a lack of experience in relationships obviously, but my views of marriage are mine. They are not warped. I have quite a bit more wisdom than I think you can know from a few posts on a message board. Your judgment of me is based on very little actual knowledge of me.Don't be so serious or uptight and keep working on yourself until such time as you have something to bring to the table...and I'm not talking about money/house/rings.
So I have nothing to offer then? Thanks for making me feel like utter garbage.
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This really reminds me of one of my better friends - who is not just a very handsome, but also very charming guy - smart, interesting successful career, sweet and goofy in the right amount, masculine and strong in the right amount - he's probably never worried a day in his life about his appearance or confidence or questioned whether he's basically appealing to women. He is. (Yes, I did have a tiny crush on him when we met.) He's always in a short term relationship or a fling or the week of a one stand. (No trouble just getting laid either.)
You know what? You guys sound exactly the same, in two ways:
1. Miserable and lonely and self-flagellating. Wanting the whole nine yards of a long term, serious, family-building relationship with the bells and whistles and white wedding, but failing to find it and feeling like that's a deep personal failing or fundamental 'what-is-wrong-with-me' issue.
2. The way you talk about women. (That crush? Dead as a doornail as soon as I got a whiff of this. Just evaporated.) Women as this means to an end, means to a wedding, means to a family, means to be in love, means to a feeling, means to a sense of belonging and finding your place in the world.
I know you (and him) say you're looking for a connection, and I believe you, but you also clearly have this picture in your head, and this picture in your head isn't of a specific person and all the weirdness and uncertainty that comes of being with a specific person, because, you know, they're unique and you're unique so whatever will happen is unique. Maybe it'll have a white picket fence and floofy dresses, maybe it won't. You want something that looks *just so*, and everyone you meet is just being tested against that picture with no space to let anything develop organically.
Like, you know that cheesy bit at a wedding when people are telling the story of how they met or how they stayed together or whatever like its soooo special, and its kinda dull and repetitive and pretty standard? To them, it's not! THEY genuinely believe the story of them is strange and unexpected and extraordinary, because it absolutely felt that way in those moments, no matter how standard the script it actually followed. (Really falling for someone does feel kind of bizarre and un-normal!) But instead or reaching for the extraordinary, you're desperately reaching for feeling 'normal'. You want the experience of 'all your friends'.
No wonder anyone you plant that on is going to walk away. If I showed up for a first date and got the sense I was being measured for a wedding dress and also couldn't talk about anything in my past that would paint a picture of anything but Mrs. Generic - you bet I'd be out of there like a cartoon character running off a cliff...
...and for what it's worth, I actually do tick all your boxes. I'm in my thirties and have never been in a serious relationship - but I've got issues and hangups and anecdotes and experiences and almost none of them are about other men, but trust me, the way you are now, you probably wouldn't like me talking about them either.
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This really reminds me of one of my better friends - who is not just a very handsome, but also very charming guy - smart, interesting successful career, sweet and goofy in the right amount, masculine and strong in the right amount - he's probably never worried a day in his life about his appearance or confidence or questioned whether he's basically appealing to women. He is. (Yes, I did have a tiny crush on him when we met.) He's always in a short term relationship or a fling or the week of a one stand. (No trouble just getting laid either.)
You know what? You guys sound exactly the same, in two ways:
1. Miserable and lonely and self-flagellating. Wanting the whole nine yards of a long term, serious, family-building relationship with the bells and whistles and white wedding, but failing to find it and feeling like that's a deep personal failing or fundamental 'what-is-wrong-with-me' issue.
2. The way you talk about women. (That crush? Dead as a doornail as soon as I got a whiff of this. Just evaporated.) Women as this means to an end, means to a wedding, means to a family, means to be in love, means to a feeling, means to a sense of belonging and finding your place in the world.
I know you (and him) say you're looking for a connection, and I believe you, but you also clearly have this picture in your head, and this picture in your head isn't of a specific person and all the weirdness and uncertainty that comes of being with a specific person, because, you know, they're unique and you're unique so whatever will happen is unique. Maybe it'll have a white picket fence and floofy dresses, maybe it won't. You want something that looks *just so*, and everyone you meet is just being tested against that picture with no space to let anything develop organically.
Like, you know that cheesy bit at a wedding when people are telling the story of how they met or how they stayed together or whatever like its soooo special, and its kinda dull and repetitive and pretty standard? To them, it's not! THEY genuinely believe the story of them is strange and unexpected and extraordinary, because it absolutely felt that way in those moments, no matter how standard the script it actually followed. (Really falling for someone does feel kind of bizarre and un-normal!) But instead or reaching for the extraordinary, you're desperately reaching for feeling 'normal'. You want the experience of 'all your friends'.
No wonder anyone you plant that on is going to walk away. If I showed up for a first date and got the sense I was being measured for a wedding dress and also couldn't talk about anything in my past that would paint a picture of anything but Mrs. Generic - you bet I'd be out of there like a cartoon character running off a cliff...
...and for what it's worth, I actually do tick all your boxes. I'm in my thirties and have never been in a serious relationship - but I've got issues and hangups and anecdotes and experiences and almost none of them are about other men, but trust me, the way you are now, you probably wouldn't like me talking about them either.
I can see how you compare me to your friend, except the one night stand thing. I am not into that and am actually a virgin at 38 years old.
I agree with #1. But I don't agree with #2 so much.
Yes I want a special wedding and something memorable, but it does not have to be the standard. Whoever I am with does not have to fit a mold or ideal picture in my head. I want us to have things in common of course and I daydream about doing things like travelling together or going to festivals or whatever. But, I have not created a life in my head and am trying to make something fit into that predefined outline.
I'll give an example... This is a pretty crazy story, and it shows how flexible and willing I am to go along with things...
I was talking to this girl on a dating site. We had been texting back and forth one day and she asked about bucket list items. She said hers were to visit all 50 states and to see Lady Gaga live. She mentioned she was performing in Oklahoma City which would help both of her bucket list items but it was on a Wednesday. I thought hmmm ok it's not my kind of music but let me see if she is performing in Chicago and I can ask this girl if she wants to go see er with me there since that is where we live. In looking up the tour, I noticed the Chicago date already happened but that she was wrong about the Oklahoma City date. It was actually on a Saturday and not a Wednesday. I tend to joke around a lot. I love to make people laugh. So I told her hey that Oklahoma City concert is actually on a Saturday, let's do it!!!! I was joking of course, but she replied with... OK!!! We went back and forth kind of joking about it. We had never met and it was just fun to joke around about. But it turned into a sort of weird game of chicken. She worked in hotel management and looked into hotel options. I said ok I am looking into concert tickets. Before we knew it, we booked a weekend trip to Oklahoma City to see Lady Gaga. The next night we talked on the phone and were both like this is freaking nuts! We are out of our minds! But it was soooo fun. We were laughing at how it was a game of chicken gone awry. But we actually went through with it. Our first date was meeting at the airport, flying to Oklahoma City, and seeing Lady Gaga. We did a bunch of other things that weekend too. We sawing the bombing memorial. We went to the banjo museum and saw a bunch of older gentlemen play Christmas songs on banjo. It was a very unique weekend and a ton of fun. That was our first date. We ended up dating for 3 months, but in the end I wasn't good enough for her.
My point is I am anything but traditional, even though I am seeking out a traditional path in the sense of finding someone who has never been married and has no kids. I think people here think differently, but I am just not doing a very good job of explaining myself or it is just hard to picture what someone is like on a message board alone.
I truly am looking for a connection. I just feel I was never given a chance before because of my weight. And now I am still not being given chance even though I am now down 129 lbs (lost a couple more since this thread started last week). And I am just getting more and more frustrated. I hear all my friends awesome stories. They all basically had it land in their laps without any effort whatsoever. I work at it and keep going with the dating thing and I get nowhere. I am tired of being alone. I don't want just a domestic partner for the sake of not being single. Please don't think of me in that way. I am a hopeless romantic. I want an amazing story and connection, even though it would only be amazing to us and boring to everyone else like you say. I want that and always have. I am losing hope the older I get. And it is very hard to think about now. It seems like it won't ever happen and it makes me very sad.3 -
Dude the Oklahoma story is excellent. 3 month relationship is excellent. Forget the weddings and crap, go do more of that.
Eventually you'll meet the one that will marry you if it turns out you're both into that, but that will just be icing on the cake at that point.9 -
Dude the Oklahoma story is excellent. 3 month relationship is excellent. Forget the weddings and crap, go do more of that.
Eventually you'll meet the one that will marry you if it turns out you're both into that, but that will just be icing on the cake at that point.
That's the whole point. I am trying to. But one 3 month "relationship" in my 38 years isn't much at all compared to my efforts. It's not like I am passing up on those opportunities. I am just never given a chance. That one was an exception for some reason. It's been a whole hell of a lot of rejection, and this one time where something happened for a short 3 months.
I want more opportunities like that. Just not sure what more i need to do to make it happen. I am doing anything and everything I can think of. I can't wait another 38 years until I am given another shot.1 -
I know for me confidence is the #1 most attractive feature in/on a man.
All of your requirements are YOURs. Own them. If you insist on a never-married, childless woman then stick to that. But own it. Put that in your dating profile. Put your weight and, "I've lost 129 pounds and working on it."
If you expect to make demands, that's fine. They're yours. Stand with them until the end. Just know that you may or may not ever find that.
The most important thing to me in a relationship is the ability to compromise. That's once you're in it. Not compromise your basic morals or values while dating. Heck, if you want another 30 something year old virgin and that's all you'd settle for, own that.
Just know that you're gonna have to really put yourself out there in the right places. How about finding the biggest Evangelical Christian church in your area and throw yourself 100% into every singles event they have? Because that's likely where you're going to find this type of woman in 2018.8 -
I wanted to add...I grew up with a guy who was effeminate, over-weight, mama's boy, quiet, Christian. Sweetest guy ever.
He went to medical school and then residency and bought a house. THEN he met his now wife. He was never in a relationship before that either. Same with his brother, married the first girl he was serious about. The doctor was 40 when he met the wife. She was in her twenties. They have two kids. The other brother was attractive, charismatic, took a regular job and was married by 23. They are still together too.
Everyone has a path.
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... We ended up dating for 3 months, but in the end I wasn't good enough for her.
"Not good enough..." NO! You weren't right for each other!
Someone already said it. You want what you want. You know you've CONSIDERABLY narrowed down the candidate pool. That's fine. Own it.
And on the advice to lose more weight. You do it, you don't. Whatever. It's like people asking me whenever they see me with contacts "why don't you wear them more often you look so much better!". I agree I do. I'll definitely wear them to job interviews and first couple of dates. It's not about being good enough. I don't suddenly become Superman to my usual Clark Kent but it does make for a better first impression.
Hey I am bookmarking this whole thread. If 3 years down the road you get married I'll want to see the pictures. If 2 years down the road you realize and accept that maybe your way is to be single and there is nothing wrong with you, please update us.5 -
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"It was a very unique weekend and a ton of fun. That was our first date. We ended up dating for 3 months,
===>>> but in the end I wasn't good enough for her."
Please help elaborate.
What aspects of did she find not good enough?
Not a good kisser?
Not a good fashion sense?
Not a good cook?
Trying to learn more about how women you've dated perceive you.
2. I can totally see you point on not wanting to be with someone who has kids.
If I were single, I wouldn't want want to date someone with kids also, because I don't want to deal with being step-mom (to possibly lousy kids),
Or dealing with kids' Mom and all her baggage.
I KNOW, because Ive been told (vented) of some of the crap my gfs and their exes go through when dealing with kids.
**BUT** I am also realistic and can crunch the numbers.
That pool of kidless single people are tiny!
AND a lot of them have MAJOR issues (just from my own group of friends/acquaintances) (that's probably why they're single)!
So if I were single, I would HAVE to date almost anyone, as long as they meet my minimum bar (not a psycho, have a job, nonsmoker, etc), in my quest for someone who fits and loves me.
From my previous post:
I may be happily married, but my husband and I choose to work hard on our marriage.
It hasn't been an easy road, but we are well rewarded for our efforts.3 -
I haven’t read through this whole thread so I apologize if someone already suggested this or you’ve already tried it, but meeting with a counselor is how I’ve found movement during times in life that feel like impossible situations. Good luck 🤞🏼2
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"It was a very unique weekend and a ton of fun. That was our first date. We ended up dating for 3 months,
===>>> but in the end I wasn't good enough for her."
Please help elaborate.
What aspects of did she find not good enough?
Not a good kisser?
Not a good fashion sense?
Not a good cook?
Trying to learn more about how women you've dated perceive you.
At first it was all fun and nice, but then she started to snap at me for anything and everything. We were playing a game of Uno one Saturday night. She asked me to buy it one the way to her place. So I stopped at Walgreens and bought a deck of Uno cards. This deck, though was newer and had new special cards in it that I had never seen before. I hadn't played Uno since I was a kid. Well, we were playing and I had one of the newer special cards that I didn't fully understand and I guess I played it wrong. She snapped at me that I ruined the game. The mood just flipped. And I said it is just a game. We are supposed to be having fun and laughing. It is Saturday night. But that was that and the rest of the night was just a downer mood. So more and more things like this would start happening and eventually this one time I got sick of it and spoke up. Well she told me, and yes these are her words, that she was trying to train me to be able to meet her needs. This really upset me. I mean I may be inexperienced with actual relationships, but I am not naive. I know that they take hard work and compromise and sacrifice. I truly get that. But the way she said she was training me, like I am her dog. If she didn't like me for who I am then she shouldn't be with me. Another time where I just felt terrible was when we sat down to watch a movie at my house. I went to cuddle up next her, because I crave physical intimacy, and she commented wow someone is super needy. That really threw me off. We never had sex. She was super into me holding her hand anywhere we went in public, which to me got to be impractical at times. let me drive so we don't get into an accident rather then me having to hold your hand and have one hand on the steering wheel. But then when it came to like cuddling during a movie I am being needy?? I just felt like I was never doing the right thing or saying the right thing. I was being scolded a lot or corrected about things I would say. I felt like I wasn't good enough to her.
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"It was a very unique weekend and a ton of fun. That was our first date. We ended up dating for 3 months,
===>>> but in the end I wasn't good enough for her."
Please help elaborate.
What aspects of did she find not good enough?
Not a good kisser?
Not a good fashion sense?
Not a good cook?
Trying to learn more about how women you've dated perceive you.
At first it was all fun and nice, but then she started to snap at me for anything and everything. We were playing a game of Uno one Saturday night. She asked me to buy it one the way to her place. So I stopped at Walgreens and bought a deck of Uno cards. This deck, though was newer and had new special cards in it that I had never seen before. I hadn't played Uno since I was a kid. Well, we were playing and I had one of the newer special cards that I didn't fully understand and I guess I played it wrong. She snapped at me that I ruined the game. The mood just flipped. And I said it is just a game. We are supposed to be having fun and laughing. It is Saturday night. But that was that and the rest of the night was just a downer mood. So more and more things like this would start happening and eventually this one time I got sick of it and spoke up. Well she told me, and yes these are her words, that she was trying to train me to be able to meet her needs. This really upset me. I mean I may be inexperienced with actual relationships, but I am not naive. I know that they take hard work and compromise and sacrifice. I truly get that. But the way she said she was training me, like I am her dog. If she didn't like me for who I am then she shouldn't be with me. Another time where I just felt terrible was when we sat down to watch a movie at my house. I went to cuddle up next her, because I crave physical intimacy, and she commented wow someone is super needy. That really threw me off. We never had sex. She was super into me holding her hand anywhere we went in public, which to me got to be impractical at times. let me drive so we don't get into an accident rather then me having to hold your hand and have one hand on the steering wheel. But then when it came to like cuddling during a movie I am being needy?? I just felt like I was never doing the right thing or saying the right thing. I was being scolded a lot or corrected about things I would say. I felt like I wasn't good enough to her.
She was the fruitcake, plan and simple.8 -
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"It was a very unique weekend and a ton of fun. That was our first date. We ended up dating for 3 months,
===>>> but in the end I wasn't good enough for her."
Please help elaborate.
What aspects of did she find not good enough?
Not a good kisser?
Not a good fashion sense?
Not a good cook?
Trying to learn more about how women you've dated perceive you.
At first it was all fun and nice, but then she started to snap at me for anything and everything. We were playing a game of Uno one Saturday night. She asked me to buy it one the way to her place. So I stopped at Walgreens and bought a deck of Uno cards. This deck, though was newer and had new special cards in it that I had never seen before. I hadn't played Uno since I was a kid. Well, we were playing and I had one of the newer special cards that I didn't fully understand and I guess I played it wrong. She snapped at me that I ruined the game. The mood just flipped. And I said it is just a game. We are supposed to be having fun and laughing. It is Saturday night. But that was that and the rest of the night was just a downer mood. So more and more things like this would start happening and eventually this one time I got sick of it and spoke up. Well she told me, and yes these are her words, that she was trying to train me to be able to meet her needs. This really upset me. I mean I may be inexperienced with actual relationships, but I am not naive. I know that they take hard work and compromise and sacrifice. I truly get that. But the way she said she was training me, like I am her dog. If she didn't like me for who I am then she shouldn't be with me. Another time where I just felt terrible was when we sat down to watch a movie at my house. I went to cuddle up next her, because I crave physical intimacy, and she commented wow someone is super needy. That really threw me off. We never had sex. She was super into me holding her hand anywhere we went in public, which to me got to be impractical at times. let me drive so we don't get into an accident rather then me having to hold your hand and have one hand on the steering wheel. But then when it came to like cuddling during a movie I am being needy?? I just felt like I was never doing the right thing or saying the right thing. I was being scolded a lot or corrected about things I would say. I felt like I wasn't good enough to her.
I know you felt like you weren't good enough for her, but it sounds to me like she wasn't good enough for you! She sounds a bit off and that was at the very beginning of the relationship. Imagine a few years in. I think you dodged a bullet. It sounds like she just wasn't right for you.
I know that can be very hard though, because even though you had issues, I'm sure you really got your hopes up that something great was going to happen2 -
If I wasn't a divorced woman with kids, I'd date the hell out of you ..
I'm liking that red beard.
I seriously hope you find peace of mind no matter how things end up.4 -
Firstly, congratulations! You should be proud of your weight loss and all of your other accomplishments, regardless of whether or not they resulted in the success you were hoping for.
I am going to preface this by saying as someone who spent all of her teenage years and early adult years sobbing because she was certain she would never be enough to be loved I get where you are coming from and want so badly for you to find love. And because of that I am going to try to go down every route that I think might be the reason you aren't finding anyone. I have no idea if they apply to you because I don't know you. But I want to try to leave no stone unturned, even if it might be uncomfortable to hear.
Let me start by saying it likely isn't the weight that is keeping women away. I and many other women love a bigger guy. It makes me feel protected, smaller (and what woman doesn't want to feel small?), less self conscious, like I don't have to eat like a bird around you, and bigger guys are just better to cuddle with. I am not saying that you shouldn't continue to try to get healthier, just that it likely isn't the reason you are being turned away. Do you have a trusted friend you could ask for candid advice? Tell them that you want to know what it is that might be turning women away, even if it will hurt your feelings a bit. Ask them specifically to look at your personality and not the weight. If you have a close female friend maybe ask if you could take her on a pseudo-date, act as you would with a regular date and then let her give you tips as to what might be causing women to not be interested. It may be that you are coming on too strong - as much a girls love a commitment, if they can sense it's a wifey audition they might get freaked. There are of course other things you might be doing but I am in no place to speculate about them since I don't know you.
As far as appearance goes maybe you should focus on things other than your weight. Maybe get a new haircut or try different clothes or buy new glasses. Watch Queer Eye on Netflix and try to apply some of the grooming and wardrobe advice. For me it is way more important that a guy have a decent sense of style than how much he weighs. Aim for something that is just a bit out of your comfort zone. If you typically wear camouflage and cargo shorts try a nice plaid shirt and dark jeans. If you typically wear the latter try something a little nicer. Just upgrading these things about your appearance can make you more attractive but MUCH more importantly give you the confidence that women love oh so much.
I also want to echo what other people have said on here because it is very important - Try going on dates with as many women as are interested in you. When I saw my boyfriend on a dating website my first reaction was "uh...I don't know..." He is a sports journalist, I am a mathematician. He is Jewish, I am totally unsure about my religion. I didn't think he was unattractive but I definitely wasn't taken away by the pictures I saw. I doubt he was with me either. But I figured what the heck and I swiped right and when I met him I was instantly attracted and we had so much to talk about. I'm NOT accusing you of this because you seem like a very kind guy but I know many guys who won't date someone who is even a little bit overweight or not as pretty but then complain about not finding anyone. Obviously being a little attracted to the person is important but even if you think she looks horrible in her profile picture some people just look WAY better in real life (like my guy). When I was on dating websites I swiped right on about 80-90% of the profiles to maximize my dating pool.
Also, I noticed that you work in Chicago. Maybe try dating outside of the city. It's annoying to live an hour away from the person you're dating but as a small town girl living in a slightly bigger town I will say that sometimes people in smaller towns (especially in the Midwest) are more down to earth. What are your filters set to on dating websites? Just increasing from a 25 mi radius to 40 or 50 can make all the difference. Or setting your age range from 34-42 to 30-44. Making your dating pool bigger gives you a better chance of finding the right person.
I also want to echo what Larissa_NY said in that I assume that you are a totally good and well-meaning guy. But if you come off as resentful for not having a wife by now or desperate or overbearing or needy or like this is an audition to be a wifey or like you feel like you have earned a wife, the woman is going to be creeped out. And again, this isn't about whether or not you ARE creepy. I think it is TOTALLY SWEET and well-meaning that you have saved for a family and a wife. It is about whether or not you COME OFF AS creepy. This is another way in which someone who knows you better could help.
Also maybe try seeing a therapist/life coach. They might be able to help you find fulfillment in other ways and see the things that may be turning women away.
It sounds like you're not getting past the first date and I think it's important to point out that dating sucks...like for everyone. And the big reason it sucks is because it's all a game of first impressions and that's hard. You saving for an engagement ring is so sweet but it may COME OFF AS creepy. You wanting to provide is sweet but it may COME OFF AS you expecting that she will quit her job to take care of your kids. Its all about what you come off as, which makes it harder. Even things that are much smaller than my examples above can make or break. This is where pseudo-dates with friends can really help you. But only if you tell them you really want their honest advice.
Coming off as very kind and gentle is important on a date. It's scary to be a woman sometimes. Especially on a dating website you are skittish because that guy could very easily be a serial killer or a human trafficker or etc. I too read the comment about your weight as not intended as derogatory. As previously stated, I am MUCH more attracted to big guys, but at the same time it did make me feel safer when I showed up to a date and knew I could take the guy if he got fresh. Make sure you are coming off as kind and respectful. Make sure you aren't crowding her space or jumping the gun on physical intimacy (even something like touching her arm - give her an hour or so to get comfortable and start feeling a base level trust with you). Also its so much more exciting when you're waiting for that physical intimacy for a while. Girls like a bit of a chase too so playing it a LITTLE bit cool can help your case.
Revisiting the non-negotiables. I don't think that you should give up on anything that really matters to you. However, in the dating pool that you are in cutting off previously married women or women with kids is cutting off a lot of people. Maybe you should revisit this and decide if it really matters to you. I.e. would you be happier being alone forever or being with someone who has been married previously. If you have this standard to avoid women with romantic baggage...well we all have romantic baggage. Divorcee or not. I understand feeling like you were being compared to previous husbands or that you were her second choice but maybe try going on a date with a divorcee and see. You may realize that even though you weren't her first, you were who she WANTED first but didn't know existed. And even though its her second wedding its her first with the guy she really wanted. If they divorced its likely that she would see you as her marvelous second chance. Speaking as someone who has been in two long term relationships - I appreciate my guy SO MUCH MORE given that I have a horrible god awful guy to compare him to. The comparison game would likely work in your favor, friend. Again, you could always just go on a couple of dates and feel it out from there. If it's something that is important to you then you shouldn't go back on it but trying never hurt anyone. That sucks that that girl kept comparing you to other guys but I don't think that would be the norm from most divorcees. But if you do decide to stick to no divorcees that is perfectly fine - maybe just make the dating pool bigger in other ways as mentioned above (age, location, etc.)
Also recognize that there is a large group of women who are attracted to older men. Your lower limit should be set around 10 years (or maybe more) younger than you are - if thats something that you are comfortable with.
Going back to the "coming off as" bit. Make sure the women you date don't just feel like you are looking for a wife. If they feel like any woman would do they are going to feel hurt and unappreciated. Even if you are going on 3 first dates a week try to make each one feel special.
If you are dating 6's and 7's they are much more likely to care about your personality than your looks so try to put away those inhibitions. Look good for a date but more importantly come with some meaningful questions. Make a good connection.
It might help if you see a psychiatrist about the depression you've been feeling. I have depression and anxiety and both of the people I have been in long term relationships with have depression and anxiety. However the first was entirely out of control. I had to take care of him constantly, it was a very codependent situation, and he turned it around into anger and abuse towards me. I'm not by ANY means saying you would do this. What I'm saying is that while depression is a totally valid illness it is the job of the person with depression to take care of themselves. It may be that women are picking up on this and decide that they really like you but don't feel prepared to help you through that. This may be coming off as callous but the reason I'm saying this is because my second relationship where we both take full responsibility for our mental health is much more healthy. Women may sense a codependency coming if they sense the depression and feel that it would be unhealthy.
Most importantly - you CAN find someone. You should realize it might take longer given your (valid) stipulations but you can find someone. Things will turn around. As much as it sucks try to spend this time on your physical and mental health so you can better attract the woman you're looking for.7 -
Oh, also, I think the shaved head+beard look might work better on you than what you have going on now. That's what my guy did before meeting me because he had a lot of thinning going on and it worked for him.1
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You are to be commended for your hard work in making the changes you set out to make. That takes incredible perseverence and strength. OWN IT! Self confidence is sexy!
But now I’m going to be blunt: you’re playing the victim here. The world owes you nothing.
I met my husband online. Both of us had been married before and he has 3 kids (I chose not to have kids). It never even occured to me to compare him to my ex husband, let alone anyone I ever dated. Our interests and experiences prior to meeting ARE new to the one who didn’t go through them, so it is always “fresh” for one of us, same as it would be in any relationship. My stepkids are AMAZING! I cannot imagine my life without them. I brag about them every chance I get. Their parents have done a wonderful job raising them!
Please consider taking the advice already mentioned and be more lenient in your requirements, even if it’s only expanding the age range and/or distance. I’m from Chicago - I know it’s a big area. Also, please see a professional to discuss your concerns.
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@pamplemousse21 Thank you so much for such a lengthy and well thought out response. I really appreciate all of your advice and insights and you taking the time to write that all to me. Thank you.0
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I am a little curious at this point...
You’ve been given a ton of feedback. What’s your plan?1 -
I’m envious of your weight loss and financial position! It sounds like you found Dave Ramsey or something and have been kicking some serious butt ever sense!
I’m a SysAdmin so I can relate to the work you’re doing. From my experience, developers aren’t the best communicators. Have you ever received that kind of feedback from work before? Get annoyed by the “stupid” people? It may be worth doing some kind of personality test. Myers-Briggs is helpful. It can also tell you what personality type you are most compatible with. When I met my wife online, I was curious and had her take the test. She ended up being the exact personality type it said I was most compatible with. Maybe read the 5 languages of love. I’ve found that the engineers and developers I work with HATE those types of tests m, but I’ve found them to be really helpful.
Because of your success you’ve clearly been very goal oriented and probably do things very linearly. Love and affection aren’t something that is systematic like we deal with in IT. Being self aware about how you love and react to different personalities is extremely important. My advice is work on being flexible and just enjoying the journey. Women are attracted to people that are happy!
I don’t know if you are religious or not, but scripture study and prayer has helped me a lot through a recent situation I had.
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