Intermittent fasting: sounds bad
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lowcarbmale wrote: »
So basically, if you eat like a normal person you're still getting the "magic"? 12 hours or more is pretty normal between dinner and breakfast, at least for people I know. Are all of them (including myself in the past when I was morbidly obese) were under the influence of IF magic?9 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »lowcarbmale wrote: »
So basically, if you eat like a normal person you're still getting the "magic"? 12 hours or more is pretty normal between dinner and breakfast, at least for people I know. Are all of them (including myself in the past when I was morbidly obese) were under the influence of IF magic?
That's just where the magic starts
According to the guy in the video, the chart is from Dr. Ted Naiman, who I googled and it turns out he is a primary care physician who grew up a nerdy vegetarian with eczema but now that he does low carb he has a 6-pack. And he refers his patients to dietdoctor .com
Autophagy is a super new concept with very little data to back it up, so all the snake-oil salesman are drumming it up because they know there's so little definitive data out there that a quick google search can't "disprove" it, and most people don't understand how science works so they think that means it's legit.11 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »So basically, if you eat like a normal person you're still getting the "magic"? 12 hours or more is pretty normal between dinner and breakfast, at least for people I know. Are all of them (including myself in the past when I was morbidly obese) were under the influence of IF magic?
One would think that >12 hours is normal. But not all people are the same. There are literally thousands of results if you search for "midnight snack" in this forum.7 -
I think IF is just the new buzz word/phrase so the trendy people can call it a a "new" diet when it's not. If you think about it lot of our daily routines are based around intermittent patterns. We intermittently sleep, exercise, work. I don't call working for 8 hours and than not working for 16 hours intermittent working. I don't call working out 1 hour every other day intermittent exercise. I don't call sleeping for 7 hours and then not sleeping for 17 intermittent sleeping. You get the point.
All the negativity surrounding IF usually come from a place of confirmation bias or just plain ignorance. I follow the science, and it keeps providing positive data on the benefits. Not quite there yet, but in a few years time with some longer form studies we'll have the empirical data to re butte all the SAD/NAD hanger-ons.
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Why does it seem bad to you? Most of the hours not eating are when you sleep. People just choose to stop eating at a certain time and only start eating the next day at a certain time. A lot of folks probably just do it naturally.
I stop eating at 7pm and dont eat until 11 or noon the next day and it has helped me tremendously with my energy level. As weird as that is to say, but since I started doing it a couple of weeks ago, I've been more awake. It's the only thing I've changed but now, I dont feel so drained and low energy all the time.
It's not unhealthy, but also not for everyone. If you want your breakfast, then eat your breakfast.
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I think IF is just the new buzz word/phrase so the trendy people can call it a a "new" diet when it's not. If you think about it lot of our daily routines are based around intermittent patterns. We intermittently sleep, exercise, work. I don't call working for 8 hours and than not working for 16 hours intermittent working. I don't call working out 1 hour every other day intermittent exercise. I don't call sleeping for 7 hours and then not sleeping for 17 intermittent sleeping. You get the point.
All the negativity surrounding IF usually come from a place of confirmation bias or just plain ignorance. I follow the science, and it keeps providing positive data on the benefits. Not quite there yet, but in a few years time with some longer form studies we'll have the empirical data to re butte all the SAD/NAD hanger-ons.
You can do IF and eat what is stereotypically considered the SAD, and you can eat a really healthy anti-SAD diet and eat lots of small meals around the clock. I don't think it makes sense to generalize that posters arguing against the magic of IF are eating round the clock candy and donuts, though that strawman probably makes the argument easier. In fact, several posters suggesting there is little to no proof that IF has benefits beyond easier calorie control are eating on an IF schedule.
Losing weight in general causes many health benefits. Until someone can show that eating a calorie and macro controlled diet works better within a window than round the clock, it's just noise IMHO.8 -
lowcarbmale wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »elsie6hickman wrote: »I'm confused by it too. If you are eating breakfast and having a light lunch and then a substantial dinner and consume the same number of calories in a shorter period of time, why does it work? I'm sure it is more involved involved than that. Does it matter what foods you consume and is there a calorie target. I know a lot of people seem to believe it broke though a weight plateau for them.
You need to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. It doesn't matter of you eat those in 1 hour or in 16 hours. Some people find that IF leaves them feeling less hungry, because they get one or two big meals during a shorter period of time rather than smaller meals throughout the whole day. There is nothing magical about it.
well if you ignore autophagy and hormonal changes you are right.
Autphagy happens with caloric restriction. But I would love to see human studies as compared to normal caloric restriction.
Have you seen human studies on autophagy? I only recall studies on worms and yeast. Seems a bit of a stretch to count it as settled science in humans.8 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »lowcarbmale wrote: »
So basically, if you eat like a normal person you're still getting the "magic"? 12 hours or more is pretty normal between dinner and breakfast, at least for people I know. Are all of them (including myself in the past when I was morbidly obese) were under the influence of IF magic?
That's just where the magic starts
According to the guy in the video, the chart is from Dr. Ted Naiman, who I googled and it turns out he is a primary care physician who grew up a nerdy vegetarian with eczema but now that he does low carb he has a 6-pack. And he refers his patients to dietdoctor .com
Autophagy is a super new concept with very little data to back it up, so all the snake-oil salesman are drumming it up because they know there's so little definitive data out there that a quick google search can't "disprove" it, and most people don't understand how science works so they think that means it's legit.
What's interesting is that I've always lived with that "magic", getting a minimum of 14 hours between dinner and breakfast every single day for as long as I can remember and yet I got morbidly obese and managed to get pre-diabetes, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol. Unless I acquired some superpower I'm not aware of, the magic doesn't appear to be potent.8 -
I don't really see why people are negative toward IF and some are very negative. I don't do IF but the way I see it if someone likes it more power to them and vise versa. I mean you can't sell it other than hope people by a book on it. As far as magic goes you can skip a meal and lower caloric intake but only if you keep a normal portion as your other meals. If your total daily calories are the same I guess you let the magic out.4
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I don't really see why people are negative toward IF and some are very negative. I don't do IF but the way I see it if someone likes it more power to them and vise versa. I mean you can't sell it other than hope people by a book on it. As far as magic goes you can skip a meal and lower caloric intake but only if you keep a normal portion as your other meals. If your total daily calories are the same I guess you let the magic out.
IMO: Diet plans or ways of eating tend to inspire negativity to the extent that proponents use deception, misinformation, or inflated claims to promote it. IF works very well for some people, but it can be tiring to see people make claims for it that are not grounded in evidence.9 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »lowcarbmale wrote: »
So basically, if you eat like a normal person you're still getting the "magic"? 12 hours or more is pretty normal between dinner and breakfast, at least for people I know. Are all of them (including myself in the past when I was morbidly obese) were under the influence of IF magic?
That's just where the magic starts
According to the guy in the video, the chart is from Dr. Ted Naiman, who I googled and it turns out he is a primary care physician who grew up a nerdy vegetarian with eczema but now that he does low carb he has a 6-pack. And he refers his patients to dietdoctor .com
Autophagy is a super new concept with very little data to back it up, so all the snake-oil salesman are drumming it up because they know there's so little definitive data out there that a quick google search can't "disprove" it, and most people don't understand how science works so they think that means it's legit.
What's interesting is that I've always lived with that "magic", getting a minimum of 14 hours between dinner and breakfast every single day for as long as I can remember and yet I got morbidly obese and managed to get pre-diabetes, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol. Unless I acquired some superpower I'm not aware of, the magic doesn't appear to be potent.
Any you were only drinking pure water during these 14 hours and no sodas or anything else when you got morbidly obese? God is watching.
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I don't really see why people are negative toward IF and some are very negative. I don't do IF but the way I see it if someone likes it more power to them and vise versa. I mean you can't sell it other than hope people by a book on it. As far as magic goes you can skip a meal and lower caloric intake but only if you keep a normal portion as your other meals. If your total daily calories are the same I guess you let the magic out.
Luckily, in this thread only the OP from 2 months ago was being negative towards IF, everyone else has said it can be a great plan for weight loss for some people, but other benefits are so far just theoretical :drinker:8 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I don't really see why people are negative toward IF and some are very negative. I don't do IF but the way I see it if someone likes it more power to them and vise versa. I mean you can't sell it other than hope people by a book on it. As far as magic goes you can skip a meal and lower caloric intake but only if you keep a normal portion as your other meals. If your total daily calories are the same I guess you let the magic out.
IMO: Diet plans or ways of eating tend to inspire negativity to the extent that proponents use deception, misinformation, or inflated claims to promote it. IF works very well for some people, but it can be tiring to see people make claims for it that are not grounded in evidence.
This. It's not the plans that are the issue, but the people touting unsubstantiated benefits from them. Don't care if the conversation is IF, KETO, calorie counting or whatever. Find a WOE that works for yourself but understand there is not a one-size fits all answer and there is really nothing special about your chosen WOE except that it works for you.
But then again, that description fits a lot of topics.7 -
I don't really see why people are negative toward IF and some are very negative. I don't do IF but the way I see it if someone likes it more power to them and vise versa. I mean you can't sell it other than hope people by a book on it. As far as magic goes you can skip a meal and lower caloric intake but only if you keep a normal portion as your other meals. If your total daily calories are the same I guess you let the magic out.
I don't think most people are negative on IF per se. Many folks commenting do or have done IF, including me. I think people are more negative about unproven claims like the autophagy benefit, which has not been demonstrated in human studies. Just like other things that get touted as fadslike paleo, keto, atkins and now IF, there is no magic to these things for either weight loss or health (with a few exceptions for special conditions, eg. keto and epilepsy).
I am a big proponent of IF for keeping hunger signalling under control for some and for staying on target with calorie goals. The rest is just unproven noise at this point. As further study takes place, who knows what will emerge? But it is premature to start claiming some of these benefits at this point.
Edited to add: IF doesn't take a lot of willpower if it is a good fit for you. Some folks just aren't hungry early in the day and can delay the first meal easily. For these people, IF can be a good calorie control tool and is fairly easy to execute. It is really sustainable and it not a willpower kind of thing for those for whom it is a good fit.4 -
lowcarbmale wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »lowcarbmale wrote: »
So basically, if you eat like a normal person you're still getting the "magic"? 12 hours or more is pretty normal between dinner and breakfast, at least for people I know. Are all of them (including myself in the past when I was morbidly obese) were under the influence of IF magic?
That's just where the magic starts
According to the guy in the video, the chart is from Dr. Ted Naiman, who I googled and it turns out he is a primary care physician who grew up a nerdy vegetarian with eczema but now that he does low carb he has a 6-pack. And he refers his patients to dietdoctor .com
Autophagy is a super new concept with very little data to back it up, so all the snake-oil salesman are drumming it up because they know there's so little definitive data out there that a quick google search can't "disprove" it, and most people don't understand how science works so they think that means it's legit.
What's interesting is that I've always lived with that "magic", getting a minimum of 14 hours between dinner and breakfast every single day for as long as I can remember and yet I got morbidly obese and managed to get pre-diabetes, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol. Unless I acquired some superpower I'm not aware of, the magic doesn't appear to be potent.
Any you were only drinking pure water during these 14 hours and no sodas or anything else when you got morbidly obese? God is watching.
Funnily enough, I only drink water for thirst. It was a cultural shock when I found out people drink something other than water for thirst. My soda intake was something like 1-3 times a month in the summer and almost none in the winter.4 -
lowcarbmale wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »lowcarbmale wrote: »
So basically, if you eat like a normal person you're still getting the "magic"? 12 hours or more is pretty normal between dinner and breakfast, at least for people I know. Are all of them (including myself in the past when I was morbidly obese) were under the influence of IF magic?
That's just where the magic starts
According to the guy in the video, the chart is from Dr. Ted Naiman, who I googled and it turns out he is a primary care physician who grew up a nerdy vegetarian with eczema but now that he does low carb he has a 6-pack. And he refers his patients to dietdoctor .com
Autophagy is a super new concept with very little data to back it up, so all the snake-oil salesman are drumming it up because they know there's so little definitive data out there that a quick google search can't "disprove" it, and most people don't understand how science works so they think that means it's legit.
What's interesting is that I've always lived with that "magic", getting a minimum of 14 hours between dinner and breakfast every single day for as long as I can remember and yet I got morbidly obese and managed to get pre-diabetes, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol. Unless I acquired some superpower I'm not aware of, the magic doesn't appear to be potent.
Any you were only drinking pure water during these 14 hours and no sodas or anything else when you got morbidly obese? God is watching.
What difference does it make what you're drinking? Obesity is about calorie intake, not particular foods or beverages.7 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »lowcarbmale wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »lowcarbmale wrote: »
So basically, if you eat like a normal person you're still getting the "magic"? 12 hours or more is pretty normal between dinner and breakfast, at least for people I know. Are all of them (including myself in the past when I was morbidly obese) were under the influence of IF magic?
That's just where the magic starts
According to the guy in the video, the chart is from Dr. Ted Naiman, who I googled and it turns out he is a primary care physician who grew up a nerdy vegetarian with eczema but now that he does low carb he has a 6-pack. And he refers his patients to dietdoctor .com
Autophagy is a super new concept with very little data to back it up, so all the snake-oil salesman are drumming it up because they know there's so little definitive data out there that a quick google search can't "disprove" it, and most people don't understand how science works so they think that means it's legit.
What's interesting is that I've always lived with that "magic", getting a minimum of 14 hours between dinner and breakfast every single day for as long as I can remember and yet I got morbidly obese and managed to get pre-diabetes, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol. Unless I acquired some superpower I'm not aware of, the magic doesn't appear to be potent.
Any you were only drinking pure water during these 14 hours and no sodas or anything else when you got morbidly obese? God is watching.
What difference does it make what you're drinking? Obesity is about calorie intake, not particular foods or beverages.
I think the idea is to prove she wasn't doing IF because her post doesn't fit with the IF narrative.8 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »lowcarbmale wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »lowcarbmale wrote: »
So basically, if you eat like a normal person you're still getting the "magic"? 12 hours or more is pretty normal between dinner and breakfast, at least for people I know. Are all of them (including myself in the past when I was morbidly obese) were under the influence of IF magic?
That's just where the magic starts
According to the guy in the video, the chart is from Dr. Ted Naiman, who I googled and it turns out he is a primary care physician who grew up a nerdy vegetarian with eczema but now that he does low carb he has a 6-pack. And he refers his patients to dietdoctor .com
Autophagy is a super new concept with very little data to back it up, so all the snake-oil salesman are drumming it up because they know there's so little definitive data out there that a quick google search can't "disprove" it, and most people don't understand how science works so they think that means it's legit.
What's interesting is that I've always lived with that "magic", getting a minimum of 14 hours between dinner and breakfast every single day for as long as I can remember and yet I got morbidly obese and managed to get pre-diabetes, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol. Unless I acquired some superpower I'm not aware of, the magic doesn't appear to be potent.
Any you were only drinking pure water during these 14 hours and no sodas or anything else when you got morbidly obese? God is watching.
What difference does it make what you're drinking? Obesity is about calorie intake, not particular foods or beverages.
I think the idea is to prove she wasn't doing IF because her post doesn't fit with the IF narrative.
I think it was to prove some people are just6 -
lowcarbmale wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »lowcarbmale wrote: »
So basically, if you eat like a normal person you're still getting the "magic"? 12 hours or more is pretty normal between dinner and breakfast, at least for people I know. Are all of them (including myself in the past when I was morbidly obese) were under the influence of IF magic?
That's just where the magic starts
According to the guy in the video, the chart is from Dr. Ted Naiman, who I googled and it turns out he is a primary care physician who grew up a nerdy vegetarian with eczema but now that he does low carb he has a 6-pack. And he refers his patients to dietdoctor .com
Autophagy is a super new concept with very little data to back it up, so all the snake-oil salesman are drumming it up because they know there's so little definitive data out there that a quick google search can't "disprove" it, and most people don't understand how science works so they think that means it's legit.
What's interesting is that I've always lived with that "magic", getting a minimum of 14 hours between dinner and breakfast every single day for as long as I can remember and yet I got morbidly obese and managed to get pre-diabetes, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol. Unless I acquired some superpower I'm not aware of, the magic doesn't appear to be potent.
Any you were only drinking pure water during these 14 hours and no sodas or anything else when you got morbidly obese? God is watching.
Are you really implying that someone can't be or get overweight doing IF? I did IF for most of my life only I called it skipping breakfast and not eating anything until lunch...I put on 40-50 Lbs over the course of 8 years eating this way because I was taking in more calories than I needed. The only thing I drank in the mornings was coffee and water...sodas are an afternoon/evening beverage.11
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