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Intermittent fasting: sounds bad
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Eat less than your current body needs to maintain its weight. Do it however seems most sustainable to you. Do that as long it takes to get to a weight you like. Done.5
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No of course you can get overweight eating that way. I am just surprised someone calling herself obese (the author actually wrote morbidly obese) continously stays away from food for 14 hours straight. It really amazes me because even most "average" weight people I know definitely don't.13
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Here is my daily regiment:
Up at 6am but I don't eat until lunch (200-400 calories).
I'll grab a snack around 2pm (100 calories or so)
I then eat dinner around 5pm and try to keep it under 800 calories.
It becomes easy once you've acclimated to it but I'll admit...it was difficult to adjust to for a month or so. When I felt cravings coming on, I would drink tons of water to get myself over it.2 -
Everyone fasts overnight....hence break fast or breakfast. There are many difference varieties out there some extreme some not so much. I've never been a early morning eater so I typically don't eat from 7pm until 11-11:30am the next day and I've been doing that for decades before IF became a topic of discussion. Find what works for you and incorporate that into your lifestyle and listen to your body.3
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lowcarbmale wrote: »No of course you can get overweight eating that way. I am just surprised someone calling herself obese (the author actually wrote morbidly obese) continously stays away from food for 14 hours straight. It really amazes me because even most "average" weight people I know definitely don't.
Most people I know do, regardless of weight, but here is one more thing to boggle your mind. I also rarely ate out or ordered in. 90% of my meals are home cooked. I got fat against all odds because I love food, and some of the things I love are pretty high in calories.13 -
lowcarbmale wrote: »No of course you can get overweight eating that way. I am just surprised someone calling herself obese (the author actually wrote morbidly obese) continously stays away from food for 14 hours straight. It really amazes me because even most "average" weight people I know definitely don't.
This doesn't make sense. You agree that people can overeat on an IF plan, but don't see how they can then become obese? Do you think that all obese people are driven to eat continuously and must be lying or don't know what IF is if they say they don't? I don't understand your point, especially with throwing in the average weight people you know don't IF (I think that's what you mean?) If your convictions about how other people eat are based on confirmation bias and observation of the people you know who fit that narritave I would respectfully say you need to widen your perspective and look at the real world.
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williamgowjr wrote: »Here is my daily regiment:
Up at 6am but I don't eat until lunch (200-400 calories).
I'll grab a snack around 2pm (100 calories or so)
I then eat dinner around 5pm and try to keep it under 800 calories.
It becomes easy once you've acclimated to it but I'll admit...it was difficult to adjust to for a month or so. When I felt cravings coming on, I would drink tons of water to get myself over it.
Just to point out - if that is all that you eat than you are undereating. Min calories for a male is 1500; the above might math to around 1300 max.6 -
I did IF easily for a long time until my training schedule changed and I required more calories. I naturally didn't get hungry until around 2pm and had a bad habit of night binging. IF was a good fit because all I did was cut out my unhealthy night binges. It was a very healthy choice for me at the time and helped me reach a healthy BMI weight. I'd have black coffee in the morning (still all I have unless I run before work) and then a small lunch or snack around 2pm followed by a large dinner.
Now I need to eat more so I have oatmeal after my run mornings and eat a lunch every day around 11:30-noon. My largest meal is still dinner usually making up over half of my daily calories.
I could personally never do the 5-6 small meals during the day style of eating. I get ill if I eat too early most days and those little meals would never leave me feeling full and satisfied. My large evening meal helps because I can't fall asleep if I'm hungry at all.2 -
A lot of the latest fads come from people training for fitness competitions where muscle definition is important. For instance using the sauna suits to lose weight and "burn fat". The only thing you do is dehydrate the layer of fat between your skin and the muscle, it is temporary and usually as soon as you drink a glass of water or two the effect is gone. But that doesn't stop manufacturers from making billions of dollars on sauna suits. Intermittent fasting is another one of those fitness trends which are rooted in competition fitness. Usually a week or two before the competition the body builder will move to intermittent fasting to help with muscle definition. Fasting should not be continued for more than 30 days and you still have to eat your base calories during your one or two meals ( your base calories are the number of calories needed to keep you breathing) other wise your body may seek them out from smooth muscle.
Most people do intermittent fasting normally. If you stop eating at 7 pm you're fasting 13 hrs if you start eating again at 8:00 am. If your in ketosis and fasting it simply means you burn more fat because your body will seek out an energy source other than calories you've taken in. For someone who may have trouble getting into ketosis, say a type 2 diabetic, fasting may not yield the same result and may be dangerous because the body will take from smooth muscle instead of fat. Smooth muscle is what your heart and intestines are made of so for those groups intermittent fasting should not be suggested.
As a type 2 diabetic, I stop eating around 5:00 pm and fast until 5:00 am in the morning. I also work out fasted but I try not to push for longer than 1 hour at a time or do extreme cardio. I also keep snacks nearby in case my energy levels start to drop.
I agree with the above post, before trying it you want to research it and see if and learn as much as you can before taking on this style of dieting.5 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »lowcarbmale wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »lowcarbmale wrote: »
So basically, if you eat like a normal person you're still getting the "magic"? 12 hours or more is pretty normal between dinner and breakfast, at least for people I know. Are all of them (including myself in the past when I was morbidly obese) were under the influence of IF magic?
That's just where the magic starts
According to the guy in the video, the chart is from Dr. Ted Naiman, who I googled and it turns out he is a primary care physician who grew up a nerdy vegetarian with eczema but now that he does low carb he has a 6-pack. And he refers his patients to dietdoctor .com
Autophagy is a super new concept with very little data to back it up, so all the snake-oil salesman are drumming it up because they know there's so little definitive data out there that a quick google search can't "disprove" it, and most people don't understand how science works so they think that means it's legit.
What's interesting is that I've always lived with that "magic", getting a minimum of 14 hours between dinner and breakfast every single day for as long as I can remember and yet I got morbidly obese and managed to get pre-diabetes, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol. Unless I acquired some superpower I'm not aware of, the magic doesn't appear to be potent.
Any you were only drinking pure water during these 14 hours and no sodas or anything else when you got morbidly obese? God is watching.
Are you really implying that someone can't be or get overweight doing IF? I did IF for most of my life only I called it skipping breakfast and not eating anything until lunch...I put on 40-50 Lbs over the course of 8 years eating this way because I was taking in more calories than I needed. The only thing I drank in the mornings was coffee and water...sodas are an afternoon/evening beverage.
I did IF and put on a great deal more than 40-50 pounds over the years! I was a breakfast skipper long before people were talking about autophagy and all of the supposed "benefits" of IF.5 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »lowcarbmale wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »lowcarbmale wrote: »
So basically, if you eat like a normal person you're still getting the "magic"? 12 hours or more is pretty normal between dinner and breakfast, at least for people I know. Are all of them (including myself in the past when I was morbidly obese) were under the influence of IF magic?
That's just where the magic starts
According to the guy in the video, the chart is from Dr. Ted Naiman, who I googled and it turns out he is a primary care physician who grew up a nerdy vegetarian with eczema but now that he does low carb he has a 6-pack. And he refers his patients to dietdoctor .com
Autophagy is a super new concept with very little data to back it up, so all the snake-oil salesman are drumming it up because they know there's so little definitive data out there that a quick google search can't "disprove" it, and most people don't understand how science works so they think that means it's legit.
What's interesting is that I've always lived with that "magic", getting a minimum of 14 hours between dinner and breakfast every single day for as long as I can remember and yet I got morbidly obese and managed to get pre-diabetes, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol. Unless I acquired some superpower I'm not aware of, the magic doesn't appear to be potent.
Any you were only drinking pure water during these 14 hours and no sodas or anything else when you got morbidly obese? God is watching.
Are you really implying that someone can't be or get overweight doing IF? I did IF for most of my life only I called it skipping breakfast and not eating anything until lunch...I put on 40-50 Lbs over the course of 8 years eating this way because I was taking in more calories than I needed. The only thing I drank in the mornings was coffee and water...sodas are an afternoon/evening beverage.
I did IF and put on a great deal more than 40-50 pounds over the years! I was a breakfast skipper long before people were talking about autophagy and all of the supposed "benefits" of IF.
There seems to be some sort of selective amnesia in the dieting world. Before the autophagy buzz, there was the "breakfast is the most important meal of the day" buzz, and media circulating their take on the studies that found that breakfast skippers tend to be heavier. No one remembers all the "rev up your metabolism by eating breakfast". If breakfast skippers didn't exist we wouldn't have seen that phase. Fat breakfast skippers (or early dinner eaters, in my case) do exist.5 -
Create a calorie deficit is all it is - and you can achieve this through eating less, but reasonable, amount on a daily basis. You could also achieve this by skipping meals or timing your meals in different ways. It doesn't matter how you do it - as long as you're always on a deficit, you'll lose weight.2
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gallicinvasion wrote: »I have been seeing more people talk about intermittent fasting as a weight lost tactic. This seems....unhealthy. Where have people gotten this idea recently?
Many are combining keto and IF. I signed up today because my nutritionist/health coach recommended a paleo diet but recently recommended IF. They told me that IF has many health benefits and speeds up recovery and the healing process.
Also said that it triggers autopathy, the process that filters out dysfunctional and damaged cells. That it improves heart function, boosts metabolism, reduces oxidative stress, hair, skin, nails and insulin resistance, stimulates brain function. They told me to aim for 22 hours aday of fasting to get all of these benefits.
This is why people are doing it because they have been told that it will fix everything. But I had to reassess what I was hearing and reading. I decided that I would eat 3 meals aday and follow along here. I'm not going to do the keto/IF combo or fast 22 hours daily. I think MFP is going to be a better fit for me.
No, it isn't why people are doing it. Your nutritionist is an idiot. I do it because it fits my schedule and I'm just not hungry until late afternoons.2
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