Intermittent Fasting!
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lowcarbmale wrote: »I am talking about normal salt (mainly Sodium chloride - NaCl) with some natural occurring minerals. On the contrary to what you are stating these minerals / electrolytes will actually help you to stay hydrated.
It's way more dangerous to drink "purified" or distilled water where all minerals have been removed. That WILL flush out some of your minerals. The good thing though: We get most of our minerals through food anyway.
Too much salt will not help you stay hydrated. You sure do come up with some weird things! We also don't need salt in our water as most of us consume ample with our food.
https://sciencing.com/drinking-salt-water-dehydrate-you-6454208.html7 -
Nobody was talking about too much salt or oceanwater.
If you already eat enough salt that's fine too (I pretty much said exactly that in my post before).Hydration is critical to good health and supports a huge number of bodily functions. However, hydration is more complex than simply drinking water. In addition to H2O our bodies require the right balance of electrolytes to adequately absorb and utilise fluid in our cells.
Therefore if your tapwater or whatever water you are drinking regularly doesn't have enough minerals or you do a lot of sports you might want to add some electrolytes (and I'm not talking about sugarwater like g*torate etc.)2 -
lowcarbmale wrote: »Nobody was talking about too much salt. If you already eat enough salt that's fine too (I pretty much said exactly that in my post before).
If you like reading articles this one might be for you:
http://anograiner.com/distilled-water-hydration/
What do you think a sea-salt drink is? It is several teaspoons of salt in around 4 cups of water. Yes that is a lot of salt. It isn't just a pinch like you think. It is designed to flush your system fro rapid weight loss!8 -
Yep, OP, I'm doing intermittent fasting (20/4) and I exercise in the morning or right before breaking my fast. My endurance has increased by at least 50%. IF is the best thing that has ever happened to me, I don't find it hard to stick to it and I've lost 9lbs within the first week. Obviously most of it is water weight, but this thing is definitely working for me. I feel sharper, more energetic and happier! Once I don't need to lose any more weight I'll transition to a (16/8) regime and stick to it because I don't plan on not doing IF anytime in the future.5
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Several teaspoons is nuts. I'm talking about maybe a quarter of a teaspoon of salt that you put in like a quarter to half a gallon of water.1
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lowcarbmale wrote: »Several teaspoons is nuts. I'm talking about maybe a quarter of a teaspoon of salt that you put in like a quarter to half a gallon of water.
Which is what they were saying at the beginning advising against it before you decided to add your two cents worth to confuse what is a stupid and dangerous practice.8 -
Mine probably isnt the healthiest way, but i only eat between 2pm and 8pm and only allow myself 1800 calories per day. So far ive lost 52lbs in 5 months. have another 34lbs to go, but seems to be working. i do go the gym for about an hour 6 times a week and have cut out potatoes, rice, bread, pasta and most sugars.5
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Lillymoo01 wrote: »lowcarbmale wrote: »Several teaspoons is nuts. I'm talking about maybe a quarter of a teaspoon of salt that you put in like a quarter to half a gallon of water.
Which is what they were saying at the beginning advising against it before you decided to add your two cents worth to confuse what is a stupid and dangerous practice.
Let's agree that some electrolytes in the water are healthy and extreme amounts of salt in water are obviously harmful. This topic is about intermittent fasting and not sea salt. Let's let other people get back to it.3 -
OP there are literally hundreds of recent threads about IF that have been posted lately on these boards, have you tried searching and reading through some of those?
There’s also a lot of buzz about it in the media but as others have pointed out, there’s nothing magical about it for weight loss - it simply is a way of creating a calorie deficit by condensing your intake into a certain time period. Some people find it really easy because they have natural patterns of hunger and by eating within those windows they may be able to eat more at one time than they could by spreading out intake throughout the day.
What is it about IF that appeals to you?5 -
seanbrannan wrote: »Mine probably isnt the healthiest way, but i only eat between 2pm and 8pm and only allow myself 1800 calories per day. So far ive lost 52lbs in 5 months. have another 34lbs to go, but seems to be working. i do go the gym for about an hour 6 times a week and have cut out potatoes, rice, bread, pasta and most sugars.
Sounds pretty darn healthy to me there's nothing bad about fasting to begin with, it's actually very natural and can be beneficial to one's health, it can also reverse type 2 diabetes, help lose weight, maintain metabolism and even make it work a bit faster than usually (like up to 8-10%). It's clearly not for everyone but it works for you and me, makes me more energetic, my skin is clearer because I drink more water throughout the day, I used to struggle to drink water cause I'd feel full from eating all day, now I get to drink a lot more water and it makes a big difference too. IF is something that I wish I tried years ago.6 -
lowcarbmale wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »lowcarbmale wrote: »Several teaspoons is nuts. I'm talking about maybe a quarter of a teaspoon of salt that you put in like a quarter to half a gallon of water.
Which is what they were saying at the beginning advising against it before you decided to add your two cents worth to confuse what is a stupid and dangerous practice.
Let's agree that some electrolytes in the water are healthy and extreme amounts of salt in water are obviously harmful. This topic is about intermittent fasting and not sea salt. Let's let other people get back to it.
It actually is on topic to the OP about Intermittent Fasting. Someone had responded to the OP talking about drinking salt water as part of their IF routine:chrisf200941 wrote: »I tried sea salt water ,16 hours fasting.so if you sleep for 8 no food for 8 I drink black coffee.lose weight fast.i do this 2 x a week.
The responses given were to dissuade the OP from taking this 'advice' and trying it. The salt water flush (if you'd done a quick google search before responding) is a very dangerous practice used by IF'ers, pro-ana's (and many others) to induce diarrhea to "eliminate toxins" and lose weight. Unfortunately, it's water weight and not fat. It's disingenuous of you to now attempt to deflect the responses being given to that because you were misinformed.12 -
lowcarbmale wrote: »Nobody was talking about too much salt or oceanwater.
If you already eat enough salt that's fine too (I pretty much said exactly that in my post before).Hydration is critical to good health and supports a huge number of bodily functions. However, hydration is more complex than simply drinking water. In addition to H2O our bodies require the right balance of electrolytes to adequately absorb and utilise fluid in our cells.
Therefore if your tapwater or whatever water you are drinking regularly doesn't have enough minerals or you do a lot of sports you might want to add some electrolytes (and I'm not talking about sugarwater like g*torate etc.)
There's a thing right now where a "sea salt flush" is promoted as something to do while IFing as a detox. It seems to me that is what the poster who brought it up was talking about, and it's a bad idea, and if taken too far, rather than just making a person puke, it can seriously dehydrate you to the point of needing medical attention. It's dangerous enough to warrant it being rebutted as bad advice on a public forum IMHO.
Luckily, OP has already gotten lots of on-point responses, and if they need more info hopefully they'll pop back in.4 -
The salt thing is honestly ridiculous. Where's the evidence it helps to detox anything? Obviously sodium is needed in order for our brain and body to function but just use it at reasonable quantities with your food and drink water separately. It's completely unnecessary. It sounds like the same thing that has been said for years and years about weight loss that you need to eat 5-6 small meals a day to lose weight and that fasting slows down your metabolism and makes you fat. They're all lies, what we can do is look at science and facts and draw conclusions that are obvious, I have yet to ready any studies that would suggest that a "sea salt flush" or whatever can help your body to detox itself. Just do a good old fast for two weeks or so if you're so desperate to detox yourself and lay off the salt.2
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I didn't research IF beforehand, but it's just what i naturally do.
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my thoughts are: if you have readily available sugars; your body will use those sugars (preferential oxidation). only when the sugars are depleted does your body turn towards burning fat. So for me i like to go as far into every day as i can without eating because i'm in that "running on reserves" mode. the easiest way for me is to skip breakfast (I do have 12 ounces of black coffee, 10 cals) and go as far into every day as i can before i eat lunch.
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But IF, and Macros, and all of that is just a sub-set of; the overall:
YOU MUST CONSUME LESS CALORIES THAN YOU BURN TO LOSE WEIGHT.
the rest is about how you feel while you do it (and trying to preserve muscle as best as possible).3 -
If anyone doing IF wants to add me please do! 💕1
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Yep exactly, it's not a "magical" way to lose weight or anything, you still gotta eat the right foods and all but to me it's so much easier not to eat for most of the day rather than spend all that time preparing tiny meals throughout the day, then finding the time to eat it and etc. I work an intense job and it requires all my attention for the majority of my day, I can't take 5 or 6 breaks constantly just to eat.5
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I didn't research IF beforehand, but it's just what i naturally do.
(GROSS OVER-SIMPLIFICATION WARNING
my thoughts are: if you have readily available sugars; your body will use those sugars (preferential oxidation). only when the sugars are depleted does your body turn towards burning fat. So for me i like to go as far into every day as i can without eating because i'm in that "running on reserves" mode. the easiest way for me is to skip breakfast (I do have 12 ounces of black coffee, 10 cals) and go as far into every day as i can before i eat lunch.
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But IF, and Macros, and all of that is just a sub-set of; the overall:
YOU MUST CONSUME LESS CALORIES THAN YOU BURN TO LOSE WEIGHT.
the rest is about how you feel while you do it (and trying to preserve muscle as best as possible).
It's not an over-simplification it's completely inaccurate!to say "my thoughts are: if you have readily available sugars; your body will use those sugars (preferential oxidation). only when the sugars are depleted does your body turn towards burning fat."
Using fat for fuel is a completely normal part of daily life and doesn't need you to deplete your (very large) carb stores for it to be used. It's not sequential use of carbs and then fat - your are using both fuels virtually all the time. While sleeping you are running almost entirely on fat as fuel. This carb depletion myth is the basis of much of the woo around IF unfortunately.
Storing and using fat is normal - it's just the balance of the two that matters and that is where your phrase "YOU MUST CONSUME LESS CALORIES THAN YOU BURN TO LOSE WEIGHT." hits the spot.9 -
Notice I was saying when sugars are depleted you turn towards burning fat. Its a shift to more of one or the other... not a on or off switch.1
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Notice I was saying when sugars are depleted you turn towards burning fat. Its a shift to more of one or the other... not a on or off switch.
Your words - "only when the sugars are depleted does your body turn towards burning fat!"
That statement simply isn't true.
Even when I'm completely carb loaded for a long distance cycling event I'm still burning approx 50% fat during that event at my all day pace.
Activity is the primary driver of the ratio of carbs and fat being used and it's not something that anyone needs to consider or manipulate unless you are doing endurance cardio.
Fat loss is down to calorie balance over time as you stated - not the fuel substrate used at any particular time.
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I encourage others to read this great healthline article explaining why fasting does burn more fat than 5-6 meals a day, even for the same net daily caloric intake:
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/intermittent-fasting-and-weight-loss#section1
Some hormonal changes are highlighted as follows:
Insulin: Insulin increases when we eat. When we fast, insulin decreases dramatically (4). Lower levels of insulin facilitate fat burning.
Human growth hormone (HGH): Levels of growth hormone may skyrocket during a fast, increasing as much as 5-fold (5, 6). Growth hormone is a hormone that can aid fat loss and muscle gain, among other things (7, 8, 9).
Norepinephrine (noradrenaline): The nervous system sends norepinephrine to the fat cells, making them break down body fat into free fatty acids that can be burned for energy (10, 11).
Interestingly, despite what the 5-6 meals a day proponents would have you believe, short-term fasting may actually increase fat burning.
Two studies have found that fasting for about 48 hours boosts metabolism by 3.6-14% (12, 13). However, fasting periods that are longer can suppress metabolism (14).
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